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« Reply #100 on: September 23, 2013, 10:37:03 AM »
Since it's award season maybe KB should have a Linkbait award. I'm not sure how this website would do,  pretty tough competition this year, considering the number of "All you indies still suck - please click my links" blog posts we've seen.   ::)

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« Reply #101 on: September 23, 2013, 10:39:37 AM »
The only place this will be alive is here, and we all know how fast a topic vanishes from the screen into the pit of thousands of topics... It will blow over, then everyone will forget....

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« Reply #102 on: September 23, 2013, 10:45:38 AM »
Follow the trail of who alerted who to the site and soon you'll have the culprit. The site is so obscure, there's no chance someone tripped over it accidentally.  Someone had to push this, knowing it would get linked in places like KB.

I was thinking this as well... someone pushed this out there and is on a vendetta. For what? I'm guessing for not being a popular author.

Sad sad sad. Annnnnnnnnd pathetic.

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« Reply #103 on: September 23, 2013, 11:14:09 AM »

Anyone mentioned, I wouldn't sweat it.

This is the game known as, "I wanna be where you are."

  

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« Reply #104 on: September 23, 2013, 11:21:04 AM »
The only place this will be alive is here, and we all know how fast a topic vanishes from the screen into the pit of thousands of topics... It will blow over, then everyone will forget....

It's being posted more widely now. It's on Dear Author, which has a huge reader base.

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« Reply #105 on: September 23, 2013, 11:27:20 AM »
If you want to demonstrate that Konrath bought a 10,000 pack of reviews, take a screenshot showing where J.A. Konrath purchased them. Don't make insinuations about some vague guilt just because someone has a review done by someone who was done something shady.

I'm sitting at my desk and laughing. Out of curiosity, I checked out fiverr.com, and apparently you can buy reviews for five bucks each. Then I looked at how many reviewers list their services on fiverr.and found less than thirty.

So 30 people wrote 10,000 reviews for me? How is that even possible? How could anyone actually believe that?

What's especially amusing is that Author Central lets you check how many reviews you have. As of today, I only have 9108 reviews for my books, not the purported 10,000.

Not only is the dude who made that accusation a liar, but he's a bad liar. When lying, at least get the numbers straight.

I've never spent a penny buying reviews, let alone $50k. I've blogged about this at length. And the very idea of 30 people writing over 26,500 reviews for all the authors who were accused is preposterous.  

I'm tempted, just for kicks, to take an idea a friend of mine had and offer $1000 to whoever can give me the name and address of the person who wrote that fiverr post. I bet someone knows who it is, or some hacker can figure it out.

I don't buy reviews. But I do buy legal muscle, and have three really scary lawyers on retainer. It might be fun to terrify the holy hell out of that pinhead.

If someone wants to attack me, attack the things I've actually done. And support it with evidence. And sign your name to it.

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« Reply #106 on: September 23, 2013, 11:32:50 AM »
I'm tempted, just for kicks, to take an idea a friend of mine had and offer $1000 to whoever can give me the name and address of the person who wrote that fiverr post. I bet someone knows who it is, or some hacker can figure it out.

 

I'm going to pay someone on fiver.com $5.00 to find out who it is, give you the info. and pocket the $995. ;)
 
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« Reply #107 on: September 23, 2013, 11:37:07 AM »
I'm tempted, just for kicks, to take an idea a friend of mine had and offer $1000 to whoever can give me the name and address of the person who wrote that fiverr post. I bet someone knows who it is, or some hacker can figure it out.

I don't buy reviews. But I do buy legal muscle, and have three really scary lawyers on retainer. It might be fun to terrify the holy hell out of that pinhead.

If someone wants to attack me, attack the things I've actually done. And support it with evidence. And sign your name to it.

Problem with this is, it's like playing a game of Whack-a-Mole. Your grand would be better spent treating yourself to a nice dinner and a show. In Paris. Where you can laugh at the pathetic mor0n as s/he slips ever further into obscurity.
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« Reply #108 on: September 23, 2013, 11:51:08 AM »
I'm sitting at my desk and laughing. Out of curiosity, I checked out fiverr.com, and apparently you can buy reviews for five bucks each. Then I looked at how many reviewers list their services on fiverr.and found less than thirty.

So 30 people wrote 10,000 reviews for me? How is that even possible? How could anyone actually believe that?

What's especially amusing is that Author Central lets you check how many reviews you have. As of today, I only have 9108 reviews for my books, not the purported 10,000.

Not only is the dude who made that accusation a liar, but he's a bad liar. When lying, at least get the numbers straight.

I've never spent a penny buying reviews, let alone $50k. I've blogged about this at length. And the very idea of 30 people writing over 26,500 reviews for all the authors who were accused is preposterous.  

I'm tempted, just for kicks, to take an idea a friend of mine had and offer $1000 to whoever can give me the name and address of the person who wrote that fiverr post. I bet someone knows who it is, or some hacker can figure it out.

I don't buy reviews. But I do buy legal muscle, and have three really scary lawyers on retainer. It might be fun to terrify the holy hell out of that pinhead.

If someone wants to attack me, attack the things I've actually done. And support it with evidence. And sign your name to it.

I'm meeting with a cyber specialist this afternoon at 4:30 and footing the bill for him and the attorneys to nail this guy and expose him. I have a strong idea of who it is. If you want to jump on board, just email me. There are a number of other authors on the list who are joining me. I don't care so much about what he says, I care more that while we're fairly thick skinned, other authors are not, and he attacked 60+ before us, so he's not done...

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« Reply #109 on: September 23, 2013, 11:59:32 AM »
a) I'm mildly jealous I'm not on that list... seems to be a badge of honor, of a sort.

b) I hope the culprit is exposed as I'm insanely curious about who would burn so many calories launching so many baseless attacks.

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« Reply #110 on: September 23, 2013, 12:09:24 PM »
Melissa - I'd love to kick in some $$ for the fees to expose this person and see what other actions can be taken. Email me offsite and let me know what your plans are. I'm sure I'm not the only named author in that fiverr report who'd love to have some tax write-offs for taking this bully down. If people just stand by and let this kind of thing go unpunished, it's setting a dangerous precedent. It just makes you wonder what kind of idiot would smear a bunch of rich authors with the means to make their life a living hell.

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« Reply #111 on: September 23, 2013, 12:12:38 PM »
If you want to jump on board, just email me.

I'm in.

From the little I know about libel tort, we'll need to show proof that the libelous statements have been read by others. So take screenshots of your Twitter and Facebook pages where people are writing about this, and also the actual posts because they'll no doubt be removed soon.

Lying about authors is cowardly. Lying about authors who make millions of dollars a year is just plain stupid.

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« Reply #112 on: September 23, 2013, 12:22:48 PM »
I'm in.

From the little I know about libel tort, we'll need to show proof that the libelous statements have been read by others. So take screenshots of your Twitter and Facebook pages where people are writing about this, and also the actual posts because they'll no doubt be removed soon.

Lying about authors is cowardly. Lying about authors who make millions of dollars a year is just plain stupid.

If it helps the "read by others" part, I blogged about this yesterday. Figured a "report" like this this would quickly make the rounds, and even a quick glance at the authors listed made it clear the accusations were bogus.
    

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« Reply #113 on: September 23, 2013, 12:51:24 PM »

Lying about authors is cowardly. Lying about authors who make millions of dollars a year is just plain stupid.

The guy/gal who did this would have been safer putting people like me on the list.  :D I would just gnash my teeth and wring my hands, but I'm not rich enough to do anything about it. Of course, he/she was going for the publicity of having big names on the list.

I hope you guys get whoever it is. It'll be fun to watch.


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« Reply #114 on: September 23, 2013, 01:08:45 PM »
If you need screenshots, look on Facebook. I saw mention of it there with people discussing whether they thought the accused were guilty or not.  PM me for details if you like.

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« Reply #115 on: September 23, 2013, 01:14:44 PM »
Blake I have you on the email list now. Thank you.

Mary, most authors would do that and many are. I want to stop him from hurting others. I'm used to being attacked (that sounds so wrong!), but you know what I mean. A target.

Yes with Libel we need screenshots, which I have and hopefully everyone is collecting. I also have the initial threat sent using the Goodreads private message system

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« Reply #116 on: September 23, 2013, 01:25:04 PM »
Blake I have you on the email list now. Thank you.

Mary, most authors would do that and many are. I want to stop him from hurting others. I'm used to being attacked (that sounds so wrong!), but you know what I mean. A target.


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« Reply #117 on: September 23, 2013, 01:39:57 PM »
Amanda had a following because of fictionn (at least  I think it was fiction) she posted before on her blog. She had a big blog following which helped with her visibility. Plus she dominated and published 3 books in less than a month. She never needed reviews they just came to her.

Umm...

Amanda Hocking doesn't really need defending because her origins are a matter of public record on these boards.

Yes, I believe her career launch pre-existed Fivvr or whatever it's called.

I do not find evidence on her blog of her posting her novels there before they were published. So I'm not sure where you get that idea. The first time she posted fiction to her board was in 2010's Zombiepalooza event, and I think all of that was flash fiction by other authors she wanted to help out. (I was one of the fortunate 30!) By the time Zombiepalooza 2010 happened, Amanda was already a Big Deal, though not quite as big a deal as she eventually became.

Amanda got her start the hard, honest way: she sent review copies to individual book bloggers, one blogger at a time, and hoped for the best. She worked her tail off. I'm pretty sure she only published one book a month, though.... but she had, like, six books out in 6-7 months.

Also, I call highly suspect this guy's claim that Amanda "bought" 500 reviews, because most of her early, pre-Big 6 Publishing books don't even have that many reviews.

Except My Blood Approves, which is her first and oldest novel, and has a 3.8-star average (not good enough for review blogs that demand a 4.0-or-better rating) and has had over three years to accumulate that many reviews. There's no way the accusation against Amanda is legit.

Some of this is hard to follow because the Trylle books were republished so the date on those has changed on Amazon but here's her timeline:

March 17, 2010: My Blood Approves
April 25, 2010: Fate (MBA 2)
May 25, 2010: Flutter (MBA 3)
July 20, 2010: Switched (Trylle 1)
August 22, 2010: Wisdom (MBA 4)
October 05, 2010: Hollowland
November 15, 2010: Torn (Trylle 2)
December 19, 2010: Letters to Elise (MBA 4.5)
January 13, 2011: Ascend (Trylle 3)

I got an approximation of the original Trylle dates by scanning Amanda's blog.

Nine books in 11 months: And I'm sorry, but there was no "three books in a month" incident. Her first three books came out between March 17 and May 25, so that's three books in 10 weeks... still impressive, but hardly "in a month."

This is what helped Amanda Hocking launch her career and land her a Big 6 publishing contract.

Oh, and just an historical note: Amanda WAS the first indie to reach 1M ebook sales. John Locke came just a bit later, but Amazon poured a ton of PR behind him because he achieved 1M sales on Kindle-only, whereas Amanda did it across all platforms, and extensively blogged about her results, documenting those sales with screenshots.

Amanda hit 1M on Kindle-only shortly after Locke, but Amazon never did her the PR favors they did for Locke.
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« Reply #118 on: September 23, 2013, 01:51:15 PM »
Anyone mentioned, I wouldn't sweat it.

This is the game known as, "I wanna be where you are."



The ones who HAVEN'T bought any reviews could sue for libel. Hopefully, it's someone who makes decent money or a minor whose parents are loded. Might pay for some cover art and editing that way.

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« Reply #119 on: September 23, 2013, 02:11:34 PM »
You know, this reminds me of a scandal from a couple months ago.

Anyone remember that "anonymous" blog by some piece of pooh who claimed to work for a Big 6 Publisher and set up a blog to write a single post called something like, "Sorry, but all indie books are still crap."

Called himself Panzer General Grammar Nazi or something idiotic like that.

This?

Has the same smell to it. Wonder if it's the same idiot...

If he/she follows pattern, expect the blog to disappear completely... probably by early October... the same way that other one did.

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« Reply #120 on: September 23, 2013, 02:11:59 PM »
The ones who HAVEN'T bought any reviews could sue for libel. Hopefully, it's someone who makes decent money or a minor whose parents are loded. Might pay for some cover art and editing that way.

Did my remark sound like the authors whose reputations were called into question shouldn't take legal recourse?

Certainly didn't mean it that way. I meant that it was obvious what was going on.

Sorry.

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« Reply #121 on: September 23, 2013, 03:37:49 PM »
After careful consideration, I decided to blog about this. Sometimes the only way to stand up to bullies and trolls is to speak out, but I do respect those who find this too painful to talk about. Yesterday that was me. As long as you know the truth, F**K everyone else.

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« Reply #122 on: September 23, 2013, 03:43:19 PM »
Blake I have you on the email list now. Thank you.

Mary, most authors would do that and many are. I want to stop him from hurting others. I'm used to being attacked (that sounds so wrong!), but you know what I mean. A target.

Yes with Libel we need screenshots, which I have and hopefully everyone is collecting. I also have the initial threat sent using the Goodreads private message system

Melissa, I know we were all wronged, but I just spoke with an attorney friend and this will take a lot of time and money, and it's a longshot.

It's smarter just to drop it and get on with our lives. This anonymous blogger has already hurt us enough. Do you really want to waste thousands of dollars, and lots of energy, just to get revenge?

With time the anger will fade. Let's all go back to writing books and stop worrying about all the mean people on the Internet.

Just sayin'.  ;)

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« Reply #123 on: September 23, 2013, 05:20:59 PM »
Melissa, I know we were all wronged, but I just spoke with an attorney friend and this will take a lot of time and money, and it's a longshot.

It's smarter just to drop it and get on with our lives. This anonymous blogger has already hurt us enough. Do you really want to waste thousands of dollars, and lots of energy, just to get revenge?

With time the anger will fade. Let's all go back to writing books and stop worrying about all the mean people on the Internet.

Just sayin'.  ;)

Wise words, as always, Joe.

People falsely accused, like Blake, Amanda, you, and so many others... their reps won't be hurt for long because you all have truth on your side.

Meantime, all this troll would get is attention... the very thing he/she wants.

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« Reply #124 on: September 23, 2013, 05:46:55 PM »
Melissa, I know we were all wronged, but I just spoke with an attorney friend and this will take a lot of time and money, and it's a longshot.

It's smarter just to drop it and get on with our lives. This anonymous blogger has already hurt us enough. Do you really want to waste thousands of dollars, and lots of energy, just to get revenge?

With time the anger will fade. Let's all go back to writing books and stop worrying about all the mean people on the Internet.

Just sayin'.  ;)

It's been a long few days here in the cyber world and I have to say that I'm right on your heels, Joe. I need to concentrate on my writing. I've already lost 3 days to this crap. Thanks for giving me the courage to back out :-*