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Sorry to hear about the unnecessary banning of others' titles. No banning here, and my books are a combination of wordplay and humor combined with erotic episodes. However, a single two-star review of "The Uncensored Massage: Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, China," complaining that the book is about massage (when the description as well as the title emphasizes massage above all else!), has virtually stopped sales of my best-performing book.  (Unless, of course, it's just the government shutdown.)
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Anybody tried emailing Bezos directly?  Apparently he can be reached at jeff@amazon.com. According to Bloomberg story I saw today, he sometimes responds to address issues personally. If someone wrote him from a customer perspective (can't find all of an author's titles, some topics available for purchase elsewhere, etc.) maybe they would stop butchering this whole process.

Or maybe he'd just scream obscenities at Carlos F___!
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Anybody tried emailing Bezos directly?  Apparently he can be reached at jeff@amazon.com.

Or maybe he'd just scream obscenities at Carlos F___!

Thanks for the address. I think I might try.

But . . . sorry, but who's Carlos F?
(sounded very funny).
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Thanks for the address. I think I might try.

But . . . sorry, but who's Carlos F?
(sounded very funny).

Carlos F is apparently the signatory on many of the YOUR TITLES ARE BLOCKED emails. What the F stands for is a matter of conjecture...
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Was thinking this the other day while perusing the Kobo>Romance>Erotica>Taboo section for the first time.

If Zon is intent on getting out of (or heavily de-prioritizing) their hardcore, taboo erotica business, Kobo (along with the beleaguered B&N) seems more than happy to expand and meet that exploding customer base. Right now their looking for any minuscule chink in the Zon market share armor to drive a spear into. And I would like to think the Seattle tech-gods can appreciate, more than anyone, how FAST online customers can and WILL migrate from one outlet to another to get their dirty fix on.

Maybe it's something Ms. Kitt can mention in a polite and professional manner in her pending correspondence to Zon.


Indeed, I was looking at my New Adult / College E-rom on Kobo, and some of the also-boughts were really, really disturbing. I'm talking crying-in-the-shower disturbing. 'Zon is tame, these days.

OTOH, when I was so trying to get my e-rom on All Romance ebooks (total waste of time, sales-wise,) the guy was very shpelkiss that some of my college characters might appear to be underage. I mentioned that I had noted in the text that they were juniors or older because I was squeamish about showing underage drinking, and suddenly everything was approved.

The 'Zon is getting weird with the banning. Has anyone alerted Selena Kitt? One of her freebies, which I think is on the 'Zon, is real incest, brother-sister stuff, and yet it was as sweet and innocent as anything I've ever read. Love her pivots.

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Selena had the Babysitting the Baumgartner's removed from sale. She's not pleased, obviously.

6 titles for us removed.


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I just had two titles removed today. Going to see if I can get them reinstated; they really don't sell enough to justify new covers.
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As a writer of YA Fantasy I don't have a dog in this fight other than my opposition to censorship. But I'm afraid there may be very little you can do to oppose amazon in this matter. However, erotica writers may consider banning together to offer your "Banned by Amazon" work. Actually, that's kinda catchy. People love the forbidden, as you well know.

Just a thought.

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Anybody tried emailing Bezos directly?  Apparently he can be reached at jeff@amazon.com. According to Bloomberg story I saw today, he sometimes responds to address issues personally. If someone wrote him from a customer perspective (can't find all of an author's titles, some topics available for purchase elsewhere, etc.) maybe they would stop butchering this whole process.

Or maybe he'd just scream obscenities at Carlos F___!

He should be very careful about wording his obscenities or Carlos F. might end up banning Jeff Bezos.  ;)

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Woke up to 3 of my titles reverted to draft.  Now I'm down to only 2 active ones, neither of which make any sales anyway :'(.  I briefly considered reworking the 'banned' ones but as someone else mentioned, what's the point when they can't be actively promoted via title, blurb or cover image.  Oh well, it was fun while it lasted and the books made a decent profit.  Shame to see the work go to waste though in terms of ongoing sales.  What a huge opportunity for someone with resources to create a place all our outcast books can go.   
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This is the lead story in the Technology section of the BBC website (extract):

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Retailer Amazon has removed several abuse-themed e-books from its Kindle Store after a report highlighted titles depicting rape, incest and bestiality.

Titles such as Taking My Drunk Daughter had been on sale.

Amazon and Barnes & Noble both say they are removing books found by technology news site The Kernel, but many others still remain, the BBC has found.

WHSmith and Kobo, which feature titles with similar themes, are yet to respond to requests for comment.

The BBC found that on Amazon's store, the search function automatically suggested explicit topics to users typing seemingly innocuous keywords - without age verification taking place.

Amazon has not responded to the BBC's request for comment on the issue, except to confirm that the specific books listed by The Kernel had been removed.

Barnes & Noble said in a statement the titles were "in violation" of its policy on content offered in the NOOK Bookstore and were in the process of being removed.

"When there are violations to the content policy that are brought to our attention, either through our internal process or from a customer or external source, we have a rapid response team in place to appropriately categorize or remove the content in accordance with our policy," it said.

Justice Minister Damian Green told the BBC "the government shares the public's concerns about the availability of harmful material."

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I'm curious, is Amazon's "policy" having a disparate impact on women writers? If so, women are a protected class in the United States.  Since the vast majority of erotica writers and readers are women, how has Amazon's newest sweep impacted the income of women writers depending on this "women's genre" to feed their families and pay their bills? This is something to think about.
 
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I'm curious, is Amazon's "policy" having a disparate impact on women writers? If so, women are a protected class in the United States.  Since the vast majority of erotica writers and readers are women, how has Amazon's newest sweep impacted the income of women writers depending on this "women's genre" to feed their families and pay their bills? This is something to think about.

Amazon doesn't like it if women have sexual thoughts.  Not even fictional ones.

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Woke up to 3 of my titles reverted to draft.  Now I'm down to only 2 active ones, neither of which make any sales anyway :'(.  I briefly considered reworking the 'banned' ones but as someone else mentioned, what's the point when they can't be actively promoted via title, blurb or cover image.  Oh well, it was fun while it lasted and the books made a decent profit.  Shame to see the work go to waste though in terms of ongoing sales.  What a huge opportunity for someone with resources to create a place all our outcast books can go.   

Selena's site Excessica has a special "Banned by Amazon" section called "Eden:" http://excessica.com/

I hope that this mass-ban is good for her, at least.

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WHSmith has now declared they are blocking all self-publishers. http://www.whsmith.co.uk/ I suspect that they are the first, but won't be the last. How many self-publishers are part of a protected class? Women, racial minorities, disabled, the poor (although I don't believe economic class is protected)? Since traditional publishing has been exclusive, locking out many women and racial minorities (whether they intend to or not), is it true that self-publishing has in fact a disproportionate number of people who are part of a protected class? And if that is true, could such drastic measures (such as blocking self-publishers) be having a heavy impact on these protected classes?  Where is this data? How do we collect it?
 
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I've just realized that Fifty Shades of Grey would likely have been banned by Amazon under their current jihad.  In its original form it was an indie publication, a POD that came out via The Writers' Coffee Shop, so it wouldn't have had the shield of a trad company.  Considering that erotica has always been a big seller for publishers, Amazon's chalked up another proud triumphant in their long history of losing money because of their ideology. 

Yep, once Amazon has everything all good and banned, everything awful will disappear from the planet, and we'll all be sprouting rainbows and riding unicorns.  Non-sexually, of course.  :P

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Erotica's served its purpose: driving up ebook sales, getting large quantities of "I love the feel of paper" people to buy kindles, providing "instant" success stories to inspire self-pubs from other genres to get in on the fun, and giving Amazon a vicious leg up in the overall market. Now that that's done, whatevs.

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Meanwhile, my two tentacle books are still there and not even in the adult dungeon.
I think I'm next, though, I've jinxed myself by writing this!

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ETA: Since I sell maybe two a year, maybe they haven't spotted them yet!  :P
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It has gotten insane. I knew the big A was starting to block the PI so I adapted. I'd write a non PI version, put it up on the big three of A, B&N and Smash, then I'd alter the story to be PI, and put the PI on B&N and Smash only, that way giving them the option of a PI edition or a non PI edition. It was working well since the only Smash sales I ever make are PI. But now the Zon has gone above and beyond. To get my non PI short to pass after three or four attempts and blockings, I had to take out any reference to the lady in question even having a father. My latest "Deflowered at the Marine Masquerade Ball" had to be changed to "Seduced at the Marine Masquerade Ball" I guess "Deflowered" was just too much. And the description was originally something like - Rose is a military brat, dragged to yet another boring Marine event by her father, only this time she is seduced by one of her dad's superior officers, only she doesn't know which one- it's a masked ball. But no. I had to take out the reference to her dad completely, even though he had no role in the story at all. Then, for B&N and smash, I made her masked Marine remind her of and then turn out at the end to be her stepbrother, who was also a Marine. It's up on smash but the stepbrother edition has been 'processing' for way too long on B&N. Maybe they are beginning to block too?  
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I'm curious, is Amazon's "policy" having a disparate impact on women writers? If so, women are a protected class in the United States.  Since the vast majority of erotica writers and readers are women, how has Amazon's newest sweep impacted the income of women writers depending on this "women's genre" to feed their families and pay their bills? This is something to think about.

Yes it does affect a disproportionate number of women, although there are men. However, the US doesn't consider women a protected class, we don't even warrant wage equality.

There are several sexist issues wrapped up in the latest round of book banning, but no one has picked up on that story.
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Here is a list of protected classes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class Women are on that list. I'm working on a survey right now to help collect demographic data.

ETA: Here the form for collecting demographic data on self-publishers. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1P5DztjnhIAnZpG1z9LTAmZ-R93ztn29japa10FtSoPo/viewform
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Absolutely. If they do a filter like this, erotica authors need to use it, and to correctly label their stuff "adult." If they don't, then Amazon should lower the ban hammer. But honestly, I don't think many erotica authors would have a problem with their stuff being labeled "adult"-- as Diana & Lacey pointed out, it would actually help sales in many cases. The reason people are ducking the "adult" filter isn't because they have a problem with their stuff being labeled adult, but because it's implemented erratically, and because it makes your book really hard to find in and sort of cheats by making casual readers think your book isn't on Amazon at all. If Amazon consistently put adult books into an adult area, it'd be easier for people who want them to find them. Of course there will still be people who try to avoid it, but that can be remedied pretty easily by warning/freezing of accounts, I think.

I'm confused, so please help me: don't customers who want erotica titles assume that one has to search under the "adult" label? And aren't most sales generated by fans of the genre, not casual readers?

An honest question. I don't understand why you'd vanish if you were in an adult category. I mean. folks that want sex toys know where to look--don't folks who want erotica?

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I'd argue a good portion of casual readers enjoy erotica as much as anyone else. But I think the filter she was referring to is the Adult Dungeon, which makes certain titles invisible unless a consumer specifically searches for it by name. They also won't appear in "Also Boughts". So it's not even a true filter so much as it is a, well, dungeon, with limited access. (someone correct me if I'm wrong here)

And let's not even get into categories. I think the vast majority of erotica writers have categorized their books correctly, yet Amazon's algorithms allow the books to come up during innocent (whatever that means) searches. Since erotic works shouldn't be, imo, restricted to a single genre any more than any other works, some of this is understandable, but still avoidable. And yes, many erotica authors (and authors of many, many other genres, let's not forget) try to game the system, but the system's rules continue to be so vague such that the game was primed to be rigged from both sides.

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We don't accept pornography or offensive depictions of graphic sexual acts.

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What we deem offensive is probably about what you would expect.

What does that even mean?

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Yes it does affect a disproportionate number of women, although there are men. However, the US doesn't consider women a protected class, we don't even warrant wage equality.

There are several sexist issues wrapped up in the latest round of book banning, but no one has picked up on that story.

? Which ones? I'm curious, because it seems this is going on on a much bigger scale then we/I previously thought.