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A ruthless murder and a stolen shipment of gold.

At school, sixteen-year-old Nikaia Wales endures the taunts of bullies who call her a “half-breed.” At home, she worries about how her family will react if she reveals her growing feelings for the quiet boy next door.

Those are soon the least of her troubles. Nikaia discovers a hidden cache of gold, and when police find a corpse nearby, her father becomes a suspect. Worse, Elias Doyle is circling, hungry to avenge his brother’s death.

Nikaia desperately searches for clues to save her father. In her quest to find the killer, she learns about the power of family, friendship, and young love....

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« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2013, 11:18:11 PM »
Yeah, how do we sign up for the list(s)? We might be authors, but we're voracious readers as well. More downloads is a win-win.

This.

Trust us we read a lot around here. I currently have fifteen books that I picked up for free from both BB's that I still need to read. I only read about five books a month but some of the authors here read much more than that. I don't know If I'll ever be able to believe that this list actually exists without being able to be on it.

There is more to it than 'if we tell you, someone else will steal our idea' but that's not explicitly true. Not even a little bit. Look at bookbub. It's very clear how they do it but why can nobody else compare? Because imitation very often comes up short. Bookblast is the authority on discounted/free e-books. Now based on the results in this thread it's clear that there are downloads to be had using your service but it's off putting if we aren't able to see this list.

You have to understand where concern is coming from.

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« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2013, 11:28:19 PM »
This.

Trust us we read a lot around here. I currently have fifteen books that I picked up for free from both BB's that I still need to read. I only read about five books a month but some of the authors here read much more than that. I don't know If I'll ever be able to believe that this list actually exists without being able to be on it.

There is more to it than 'if we tell you, someone else will steal our idea' but that's not explicitly true. Not even a little bit. Look at bookbub. It's very clear how they do it but why can nobody else compare? Because imitation very often comes up short. Bookblast is the authority on discounted/free e-books. Now based on the results in this thread it's clear that there are downloads to be had using your service but it's off putting if we aren't able to see this list.

You have to understand where concern is coming from.

We are protecting our business, and we have made that decision from the start. We also have authors who do not want their competitors knowing exactly what their promotion methods are, which is another reason for this decision. If we changed our mind now, we could lose those clients which have been loyal customers for quite some time. We have had authors coming to us asking if we are promoting another author in the same genre. For what reason, we do not know, but while those of you on kboards may be happy sharing your earnings, promotion methods and tactics, not all writers are the same.

So thats something we are not going to do, to simply appease the mind of a pre-purchase skeptic.

If you see the results of the test copies we gave away, and the reviews & screenshots that you can read on the warrior forum thread and in this thread, and you are still not convinced, then perhaps this service is not for you.

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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2013, 11:29:09 PM »
Hi, I was not getting it in chrome however I tested in firefox and I did indeed get a funny popup like you were mentioning, when I clicked the warrior forum link, then pressed back, I was able to replicate the popup.

I have disabled the warrior forum link, so if people want to go there, they will have to manually type the link into the address bar. This is the first time ive seen a popup like that from warrior forum.

Thank you -- I've received several complaints about this. We no longer post ads that link to warrior forum because of that kind of marketing tactic.

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« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2013, 12:06:00 AM »
Update:

About 3AM here and the downloads have picked up a bit. I'm 22 away from the 10,000 mark. #12 in the free store. Pretty crazy. Might actually break into the top 10. Hard to say. Haven't had any more sales of other books, but that's going to take some time, I reckon.

Some good discussion in this thread. I'm as much a skeptic as anyone, so I can understand why some think this service shady. By and large, we're used to being able to verify what's going on under the hood for services like these, so when one comes along that refuses to reveal that part of their business, it sets off a few alarms round here. Understandable. Of course, I can see the other angle: They don't have to provide us with any details. If we don't like their secrecy then we don't have to spend any money on their services. And it would seem that some here (myself included, though I didn't actually pay for anything) are willing to give them a chance nonetheless.

We should start a poll, LOL.

How is Freebookservice pulling off these numbers?
1) They're legit, just like Bookbub et al
2) They've got a room full of puppies and are literally punching them in their tiny doggy mouths until dog-lovers the world-over agree to download the books they're promoting
3)Freebookservice employs a staff of ten wizards.

Personally, I hope it's a mix of 1 & 3. I freaking love wizards :3

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« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2013, 12:16:43 AM »
Update:

About 3AM here and the downloads have picked up a bit. I'm 22 away from the 10,000 mark. #12 in the free store. Pretty crazy. Might actually break into the top 10. Hard to say. Haven't had any more sales of other books, but that's going to take some time, I reckon.

Some good discussion in this thread. I'm as much a skeptic as anyone, so I can understand why some think this service shady. By and large, we're used to being able to verify what's going on under the hood for services like these, so when one comes along that refuses to reveal that part of their business, it sets off a few alarms round here. Understandable. Of course, I can see the other angle: They don't have to provide us with any details. If we don't like their secrecy then we don't have to spend any money on their services. And it would seem that some here (myself included, though I didn't actually pay for anything) are willing to give them a chance nonetheless.

We should start a poll, LOL.

How is Freebookservice pulling off these numbers?
1) They're legit, just like Bookbub et al
2) They've got a room full of puppies and are literally punching them in their tiny doggy mouths until dog-lovers the world-over agree to download the books they're promoting
3)Freebookservice employs a staff of ten wizards.

Personally, I hope it's a mix of 1 & 3. I freaking love wizards :3

Thanks for your continued input OJ. Different perspectives are important. I encourage everyone here to speak with their wallets. For now our business sense has been working for us so we are sticking to it. If the landscape changes, we will change with it.

On a side note, I am glad your promo is going pretty strong by the looks of it !  :D
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« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2013, 01:25:54 AM »


And here are the three of us on the top free list: me, OJ and Monique - I keep good company!  ;D


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« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2013, 01:35:05 AM »
^ Nice, Estelle! Any buy-through activity going on for you that you might attribute to the promo?

I'm at about 11,000 downloads and wondering how I might maximize the visibility gained by this boost in ranking. I have a feeling that the three of us will be even higher on the free list when they update next.

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« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2013, 01:48:10 AM »
^ Nice, Estelle! Any buy-through activity going on for you that you might attribute to the promo?

I'm at about 11,000 downloads and wondering how I might maximize the visibility gained by this boost in ranking. I have a feeling that the three of us will be even higher on the free list when they update next.

Like everyone in Russell Blake's thread, I'm also feeling cyber Monday's slow/no reports on sales. Monday was the worst in (reported) sales I've had in two weeks - for whatever mysterious reason. About your buy-through question: I had a Bookbub ad in the middle of November. The day after the ad my sales increased by 30% and stayed more or less like that for a week. It was the week after that I really started seeing an increase. That is why Monday's sudden low was quite a shock to my poor spreadsheet!

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« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2013, 02:37:04 AM »
Small update:

Estelle's at #8, I'm at #11 and Monique's at #13. Still chugging along. Today will be an interesting day. I wonder how long we'll continue to see this kind of growth. I also wonder how long we'll stay high up in the charts.

So close to the top ten. SO. CLOSE. I can taste it. In my mouth.

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« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2013, 03:40:05 AM »
As I said in the beginning the real proof will be in the sell through. If 10,000 downloads only generates 38 sales, then I would say the quality of the service is not worth the cost. If 10,000 downloads generates 1,000 sales then their list is worth it and I would likely hope on the yellow submarine with them.



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« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2013, 03:52:06 AM »
As I said in the beginning the real proof will be in the sell through. If 10,000 downloads only generates 38 sales, then I would say the quality of the service is not worth the cost. If 10,000 downloads generates 1,000 sales then their list is worth it and I would likely hope on the yellow submarine with them.





I'm sorry, but you're providing a VERY unrealistic idea here. 10% of the freebie loaders buying your next book is not going to happen.

Usually it's between 2-5% of the people that get a free book who'll move on to the second. So don't go expecting that a service like theirs may provide 10%. People should be happy if 2-5% of those 10k people will buy the next. That's 300 buyers. Lets say your book is 2.99. Means you get 2.093 x 3% (300 buyers avarage) = 627,90 dollars. That's more than double what you paid for the ad, and I think it's enough.

If 3% moves on to the next book that is. If it were only 1% then I'd think twice since you earn less than the ad cost. But we're still waiting for the results of the others, so let's wait on that before jumping to conclusions.

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« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2013, 04:01:25 AM »
I'm sorry, but you're providing a VERY unrealistic idea here. 10% of the freebie loaders buying your next book is not going to happen.

Usually it's between 2-5% of the people that get a free book who'll move on to the second. So don't go expecting that a service like theirs may provide 10%. People should be happy if 2-5% of those 10k people will buy the next. That's 300 buyers. Lets say your book is 2.99. Means you get 2.093 x 3% (300 buyers avarage) = 627,90 dollars. That's more than double what you paid for the ad, and I think it's enough.

If 3% moves on to the next book that is. If it were only 1% then I'd think twice since you earn less than the ad cost. But we're still waiting for the results of the others, so let's wait on that before jumping to conclusions.

10% is not unrealistic, many people here post that they get that... I personally have posted my numbers (in another thread) and have hit 10%, and I am lower then I could be due to the lack of a cliff hanger, BUT I was just tossing out an example using round numbers. :) If its 5% then I would still consider it. If its 1% then no, probably not.

The point I was making is that the quality of the 10,000 leads is what matters, far more then the quantity. For all we know they are running a bot network and not a single one of those 10,000 is actually a person. The conversion rate will give us a clue to that.

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« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2013, 04:12:29 AM »
I did the math, and most of my titles sell for 2.99 so after amazon's cut.. ~2$ per sale...

I'd only need to have 115 sales or about 1% sell through between the series... I was a skeptic when I saw this on the other thread, but seeing the screenshots, I'm starting to change my mind also.  Maybe my wife will let me pick out my own christmas present this year? ;)

It does seem that  the platinum package would be the way to go though, Freebookservice what is the package most folks have been using since that has gone live?

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« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2013, 04:37:14 AM »
This is a most interesting thread and I'm more than a little curious to see how it ends up regarding conversion rates.

Also, I'm most curious like others here about how it works.  Since there seems to be no 'list' of subscribers, all I can think is that you send out 10 million random spam emails promoting the books and if that doesn't result in 10,000 downloads, you send out another 10 million spam emails and so on until you reach or pass the 10,000 download mark.

Has to be something like that, right?
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« Reply #64 on: December 03, 2013, 04:57:39 AM »
I did the math, and most of my titles sell for 2.99 so after amazon's cut.. ~2$ per sale...

I'd only need to have 115 sales or about 1% sell through between the series... I was a skeptic when I saw this on the other thread, but seeing the screenshots, I'm starting to change my mind also.  Maybe my wife will let me pick out my own christmas present this year? ;)

It does seem that  the platinum package would be the way to go though, Freebookservice what is the package most folks have been using since that has gone live?

Most people seem to purchase the largest package, however most people that have bought this service are actually not part of kboards and don't really do the perma-free thing. So far 95% of the books I have completed orders for were for a KDP promotion where the book is free, and then goes back to paid after the promotion ends, so I don't really have much data on how permafree books do.


This is a most interesting thread and I'm more than a little curious to see how it ends up regarding conversion rates.

Also, I'm most curious like others here about how it works.  Since there seems to be no 'list' of subscribers, all I can think is that you send out 10 million random spam emails promoting the books and if that doesn't result in 10,000 downloads, you send out another 10 million spam emails and so on until you reach or pass the 10,000 download mark.

Has to be something like that, right?

Ive answered this question multiple times. Not to be rude, but If that were the case, then I  would probably be advertising something other than free kindle books...
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« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2013, 05:00:43 AM »
I will say this, other then protecting his IP (as in how he gets the numbers) freebookservice has been very open to "here is evidence of our claims" - which for me at least is a indicator they are more legit then they seem.

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« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2013, 05:03:27 AM »
Man, I just got permafree sorted about an hour ago and I'm a hopeless idiot optimist about this type of thing.

Someone please persuade me not to do it  :P

Oh god it was only yesterday I was throwing money at advertisers for a book that hadn't even been pricematched

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« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2013, 05:05:50 AM »
Man, I just got permafree sorted about an hour ago and I'm a hopeless idiot optimist about this type of thing.

Someone please persuade me not to do it  :P

Oh god it was only yesterday I was throwing money at advertisers for a book that hadn't even been pricematched

*tries not to look at thread*

Take a breather! This service isn't going anywhere, we will be here for the long haul.  :)
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« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2013, 05:08:27 AM »
Man, I just got permafree sorted about an hour ago and I'm a hopeless idiot optimist about this type of thing.

Someone please persuade me not to do it  :P

Oh god it was only yesterday I was throwing money at advertisers for a book that hadn't even been pricematched

*tries not to look at thread*

Take a deep breath and step away slowly. :D :D

Now continue doing that for the next seven days while we give feedback on our results. That way you can be an informed, "hopeless idiot optimist". That is what this trail run is for - to see if it will be worth spending money on. If you are happy with our results, you can still get your ad in before Christmas!

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« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2013, 05:10:00 AM »
I have a question for the three testers.

Right now (5:08AM PST) your free books are #10, 11, and 13 in the Top 100 Free Store. Congrats!!

I was looking at the other books in your series and see that they are also in the Top 10 or so of their categories. Has that always been the case or is this a result of the promo?

Cheers and good luck!

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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2013, 05:16:26 AM »
I have a question for the three testers.

Right now (5:08AM PST) your free books are #10, 11, and 13 in the Top 100 Free Store. Congrats!!

I was looking at the other books in your series and see that they are also in the Top 10 or so of their categories. Has that always been the case or is this a result of the promo?

Cheers and good luck!

Thanks! As I said upthread, I haven't seen any spectacular resulting sales in my other books yet - it's normal numbers at the moment. Those great sales will take up to a week to start appearing (and THAT is what we are all curious about!). Gotta give people time to read the book first before they buy the next ones, right? To answer your question properly: My two books were in the top ten categories before this promo.

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« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2013, 05:19:10 AM »
Take a deep breath and step away slowly. :D :D

Now continue doing that for the next seven days while we give feedback on our results. That way you can be an informed, "hopeless idiot optimist". That is what this trail run is for - to see if it will be worth spending money on. If you are happy with our results, you can still get your ad in before Christmas!

 :)

Yep, that'll work  :D

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« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2013, 06:07:32 AM »
As of 9:07 AM:



Also, +1 to this:
Take a deep breath and step away slowly. :D :D

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« Reply #73 on: December 03, 2013, 06:07:52 AM »
I'm not a writer.  If I want to sign up to find out about free books through your service, how do I do so?

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« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2013, 06:36:26 AM »
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