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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2014, 02:55:12 PM »
I have Dragon version 12 on one of my PCs and it works with 2007.

I've been using Dragon since it first came out in 1997 because of physical difficulties and I can't live without it now ;D

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2014, 03:08:45 PM »
I have a sony ICD SX 712. Apparently it's a $400-$500 recorder but I didn't pay that for it. I bought it second hand for $20 when I bought my IKEA desk for $20 from a family on Craig's List (gotta love rich folk in Connecticut with too much stuff). But I've used a rinky dink recorder (less than $100) and it works just as well.

Tonight I tried to record a scene making dinner, putting away dishes, family in the way . . . epic fail. I will have to re-record that in a quiet place (like my office or bedroom). I hadn't tested the full extent of background noise issues. Now I know. You can't record cleanly with people around. It worked fine in a quiet part of a casino, and fine in my car. But it doesn't like RANDOM noises it doesn't know to edit out or not. It was only 900 words in 10 minutes (because I was cooking and cleaning at the same time which worked fine when the house had no one else in it, but not with people). So I didn't lose much.

I FINALLY finished off editing that 7K I had, and I only have the 1.2k left to do plus whatever else I record tonight (which should be in the 8-10 K range)


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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2014, 05:44:12 PM »
This could be out of date, since my Dragon's a couple of years old, but two things I did:

1) I dictated into Notepad instead of Word, and it was MUCH faster.

2) I periodically went through the Dragon dictionary deleting people's names that corresponded with words, so Dragon wouldn't capitalize them. Burns, Carpenter, Rich, that sort of thing.


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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2014, 05:51:19 PM »
Received my (free) copy of Dictate 3 today and was shocked to see that it doesn't work with the latest Mac OS. Man, I'd be seriously bummed if I didn't get it for free. So I'm thinking I'll download Dictate 4.0 for $99 from Amazon. I have a $13 credit at Amazon. So I may as well. :)

Elizabeth, it sounds like I could just dictate into my cell phone via a handsfree outfit and then import that into Dictate. Is that what you do? That would be idea, I think.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2014, 06:54:40 PM »
I just got my Dragon. I average typing 2500 words per hour. I'm wondering what Dragon is going to do.

Why notepad over Word? I noticed someone said it worked faster.
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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2014, 07:04:31 PM »

Why notepad over Word? I noticed someone said it worked faster.


Dictating into Notepad works faster in plain old Windows Speech to Text, too.

My guess at why? Notepad is a much smaller app, so it doesn't hog up CPU time the way Word does.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2014, 08:29:19 PM »
I have used DNS 12 and DNS 13 with Word and with Scrivener-- mainly Scrivener. DNS 13 was enough of a quality improvement, I didn't mind spending the money. I had just bought a laptop and DNS 12, so I ended up buying three copies of DNS in less than a month by the time I got everything upgraded... In terms of productivity, it was a worthwhile investment. I bought Premium so I would have the transcription option.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2014, 10:07:30 PM »
After reading about Elizabeth Anns success with Dragon, I decide to make a go at this. I have used Dragon for my PC since 2009. However, I recently switched over to a Mac for my fiction writing. And I just couldn't get my Mac to play nice with Dragon, so I moved on to purchasing a mechanical keyboard instead.

After two days of fiddling with my technology, I am sold on Mac dictate. The key is to use Dictate's notepad. I use my phone to do a lot of my writing because I used those 10 to 15 minute snatches of time that I have throughout the day (busy mom with a full-time job).

So here is my current workflow: I use the Dragon Recorder app on my iPhone, and record my words. Using Wi-Fi, I can transfer the file to my Mac. I run the wav file through the transcription, which would type the words out on Dictate's notepad (this is just as satisfying as watching the words magically appear when I transfer it from my Neo). Then, I copy and paste the text to a word file which I saved to my dropbox. Using the word app I can edit the file on my phone.

After 15 minutes of dictating on my phone, I was able to get 467 words! OMG! Sometimes this is how much I would give in an hour of typing.

I also have a wireless headset that I'm using right now to dictate this post. The TV is on. I have two kids making noises in the background. And it still got about 95% accuracy. But like I said before, the key is to use the native Dictate's notepad. 

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2014, 11:53:54 PM »
Names though (unusual ones) do NOT work on Dragon.  I train them religiously and nope!  Doesn't work. It is so frustrating.  I keep hoping that it'll get better but it doesn't.  But I can write so much faster by talking than typing.

Here's a workaround that someone suggested - when you're using dragon, substitute the unusual names for common names - like, Alariana becomes Susan.  Be consistant with the name throughout the book. Then, when you are editing, do a "find and replace" for the names that you need to replace. Obviously you'd want to keep a list of all the names and their substitutions.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2014, 12:19:43 AM »
I have a sony ICD SX 712. Apparently it's a $400-$500 recorder but I didn't pay that for it. I bought it second hand for $20 when I bought my IKEA desk for $20 from a family on Craig's List (gotta love rich folk in Connecticut with too much stuff). But I've used a rinky dink recorder (less than $100) and it works just as well.

Thanks Elizabeth! I'm really excited about this idea. Think I will take the plunge.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2014, 01:55:15 AM »
I just got my Dragon. I average typing 2500 words per hour. I'm wondering what Dragon is going to do.

Why notepad over Word? I noticed someone said it worked faster.

If you have the newest version of dragon for Windows, then I believe it's Word compatible.
If you're using a Mac, Dragon actually gives you a Notepad program with it. TextEdit can be used as well.
In the manual, it says Dragon Dictate will work better on simpler word processors, because the more simpler programs are more relaxed.
And being more forgiving, they are more likely to use the right word. (Maybe, it's something to do with autocorrects and/or caching?)
And if you use the Notepad program provided, the program is more likely to learn from your word choices.
When I used Notepad, there was a big improvement in the program's memory/ ability to know I meant 'duck' and not 'duct'.

Here's a workaround that someone suggested - when you're using dragon, substitute the unusual names for common names - like, Alariana becomes Susan.  Be consistant with the name throughout the book. Then, when you are editing, do a "find and replace" for the names that you need to replace. Obviously you'd want to keep a list of all the names and their substitutions.

I do this too!  ;D

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2014, 04:20:14 AM »
OK, I'm definitely going to try Dragon.  Among other things - I am hoping it makes me less likely to surf the internet when I should be writing.

And Elizabeth, I REALLY appreciate you posting this, and emphasizing that it took you a good solid week to get comfortable with it.  That's good to know.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2014, 05:57:44 AM »
I love my DRAGON!!!

This morning, fed kiddo, made coffee, then I climbed back in bed and snuggled down to dictate more. The 22 minute file > 1300 words. And it's gotten sooooooooo much better, there were hardly any mistakes! I mean I'm actually moving multiple paragraphs before I'm having to make changes!! It's transcribing the second file now.. that one is 27 minutes and more skeleton (a ball). I know I will want to add detail to that with type. It's longer but has waaay more silence there as I thought through the scene while I was trying to dictate it.

Either way, 48 minutes snuggled in bed produced 2500 raw words to play with. Not shabby at all!

And thanks for the NAME tip! Lady Catherine de Bourgh is now Gertrude! :) LOL.

Now, I'm going BACK to bed to go snuggle down and dictate more. I don't think I will EVER write another scene completely with just type. It's so prosaic LOL


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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2014, 06:21:54 AM »
Writing in bed? I'm IN! I love my bed. We're very good friends, in a committed relationship with each other in fact. 

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2014, 06:24:05 AM »
I love, love, love Dragon.  I use 12.5 on my desktop and laptop and triscribe 90% of the time.  I use an Olympus WS-821 digital recorder.  Comes with a built in USB Jack and microSD slot.  Great little device and about $60 on the 'Zon.

It's extremely hard to think about going back to....<<shudder>>...typing stories.  Dragon ftw (after you spend time to train it and get used to speaking punctuation, that is)!


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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2014, 06:45:07 AM »
This is how accurate it is becoming. (Keep in mind my five-year-old is being VERY demanding this morning. Is her father home, downstairs, on the couch? Why yes, yes he IS. So why on God's green earth must MOMMY do everything? Lord help me, I just told the child she keeps whining over every little thing, she's going BACK to bed!)

Raw was a little over 2500 words. With a few tweaks here and there (I opted not to expand the ball scene, it read well, and where I am in the storyline, it's coming to a very dramatic second crisis so it's not the time to slow down the action) I ended up with 2638. Now I feel like I've written nothing physically and mentally. And to put this in perspective, Dean Wesley Smith's pulp speed one is 2700 words a day. (Pulp speed is writing 1 million + in a year). 

I edited 9200 words yesterday from dictation total. Today I'll keep trucking, doing my normal 6-8 hours and report back what I end up with. If I can do 8,000 words a day with little to no effort on my writing days though? I'm going to need some pen names ... stat. :)


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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2014, 08:32:15 AM »
I'm very tempted to jump into this pond. I'm on a mac. I see Dragon 3 for Mac for like $20 on Ebay new in box. The 4.0 is over $300. Is there that much difference in versions?

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2014, 08:52:54 AM »
I'm very tempted to jump into this pond. I'm on a mac. I see Dragon 3 for Mac for like $20 on Ebay new in box. The 4.0 is over $300. Is there that much difference in versions?

I have v4. At the time I did a bunch of googling and found this link for $99. It's a download version, but you can purchase a CD backup. For the download and Cd backup, I paid $118 total. Sorry for the link mess, but I don't know how to shorten. It's like the Microsoft Home User Program where employees of their Enterprise license get the software at home for a discount. The software download is deliver by a company call Digitial River (or maybe River Digital). Since my Microsoft Home User program from work uses the same delivery company for their software downloads, I wasn't worry about security. Also remember to have your own backup of the software. I think they only guarantee a valid download from your purchase link for 30 days.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2014, 08:53:48 AM »
I'm very tempted to jump into this pond. I'm on a mac. I see Dragon 3 for Mac for like $20 on Ebay new in box. The 4.0 is over $300. Is there that much difference in versions?

Um... Where are you looking? There's a special deal on at the moment for $149. Usually $199.

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That's assuming you are in America (you said dollars). I got mine for 10% off at the UK site. Was going to go for the one in the box so I got the headset, but went for the download as a) I wanted it NOW, and b) computers don't have DVD players to load software any more.

By the way, having only got it this morning, I think I'm going to like it  :D

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2014, 09:01:11 AM »
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After having read about your success with Dragon Naturally Speaking I jumped on the wagon and purchased yesterday. I've done some testing with DNS before but it never really worked out for me. This was some time ago and I thought perhaps that the new version would be better. I bought DNS home version 13 for PC and just having done some short tests I have to say it does seem to be more accurate.

This whole post is one of my first experiments with an android app called remote microphone. The microphones that I had at home didn't seem to work very well and what this app does is connect my phone through my Wi-Fi network at home and so I can walk around and dictate with the same headset that I use to take calls they are simple earbuds.

While making this post is pretty easy, I certainly expect that dictating prose will be much more difficult. On the other hand I'm a pretty slow typist, so perhaps DNS will work for me this time.

Personally I like sitting before a keyboard and actually typing out stories, so I am hoping to be able to use both methods with DNS allowing me to move around when my body tells me we have been sitting for too long.

I considered buying a voice recorder but seeing how well my cheapo phone headsets is working together with the phone I am pretty impressed so far.

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I cleaned the above from about 10 extra s's .. such as seeings, dictatings etc  and 3 words it didn't get such as earbuds. I haven't trained it yet though, and I am Swedish with nowadays  less than perfect pronunciation, so I am very happy with the results.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2014, 09:14:07 AM »
All I can say to everyone who thinks they can't write prose with dictation is that THAT very mindset stopped me for years. Give it up. :) Prose comes from your brain. Talking comes from your brain. Typing comes from your brain. See the common source?

I absolutely had to have a 100% I can do this attitude with my dragon. I am NEVER going back. Since last Friday, I have dictated and cleaned up over 20,000 words on my current WIP. I'd be lying in a painkiller or alcoholic HAZE if I had typed all of those words in one week (because I took 2 days off, so I really know it's 5 days), on the floor, over my ice pack or heating pad telling my husband and children to NOT touch me.

20,000 words a week, 50 weeks a year IS a million words a year. And for three of those days, I was still training myself and my dragon. I really wasn't kidding when I said 2015 is the year I fill up my Author Page with titles and aim to sit my happy butt on the top 100 Historical Authors list on a day to day basis. :)

Love my dragon! :)


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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2014, 10:12:13 AM »
I think the $300 version i saw on Ebay included some sort of headset.  Is the Mac Dictate version the same thing as 4.0?  I can't find that $99 link. Is that a UK thing?  I did find the $149.99 link.  There is a $99 link on the same site for a "Naturally speaking home edition." Is this different from the 4.0?  I'd like to make sure I buy the right version.

Good to know that the $20 3.0 version seen on Ebay doesn't work with the latest OS.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2014, 11:11:01 AM »
If you are using Mac OS Yosemite DO NOT GET DRAGON DICTATE 3.0. It does NOT work with Yosemite. You need to buy 4.0.

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Re: 1 Week Training My Dragon
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2014, 11:46:10 AM »
Very interesting results, I'm glad Toothless is working for you! :)

I'm looking into this myself, but I'd mainly want to use it in the car. I've got an android phone, no 4G, just plain old wireless for now, and I just downloaded the app to make sure there was one. But it says that I'd need to be connected to the internet via the same network as my Dragon software is on? So I wouldn't be able to use it in the car. Am I missing something here? The app does say Dragon 12 compatible, so perhaps it's a new feature for 13? And if so is there an android app that will let me dictate to my phone via Dragon 13? Thanks to anyone that can shed some light on this for me!