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Hunter Grayson flits from job to job, relationship to relationship, continent to continent until thetragic death of her parents brings her back to her childhood home.While trying to figure out how to move forward, she meets wild, fun Natalya Haven, who quickly becomes the sister she never had. But when Natalya moves in, their friendship unravels.
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Re: Evenstar's Monster Post on Amazon Keywords
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2015, 01:49:04 PM »
Something has changed then. I accidentally found my way into a superhero category when I used the word hero in my description. It went something like this: "Shima is a hero of great renown, and has survived many battles..."

I wrote that as part of my description, and bang, I'm in a superhero category! I didn't choose any keywords using hero. It only appears in the blurb. I knew Google and Kobo used the description for its searches, I learned that Amazon searches on titles, series titles, sub titles FIRST, but does seem to judge descriptions as well. I think they're considered of lesser importance, and the algo gives them less weight than titles, but they ARE used.


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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2015, 01:55:10 PM »
What book is this?

It was Operation Oracle, but like I say, my book isn't a super hero book. I changed the blurb and now have these cats (the superhero went away when I changed the blurb)

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« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2015, 01:58:39 PM »
Intersting. I think it's v possible (probable?) that keywords in the description can lead to categories, but perhaps are not searchable. For instance, Burgton should bring up your book if the description is searchable, but it doesn't.

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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2015, 02:07:47 PM »
There's no need to include any commas at all in KDP.   ;D

This gives you more characters for words and eliminates the worry about needing to repeat words between different commas. I heard we got 350 characters. Someone else said 400. It will say you have 6 keywords left, but just ignore that.

Createspace makes you use commas by limiting the number of words between them.

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« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2015, 03:21:44 PM »
There's no need to include any commas at all in KDP.   ;D

This gives you more characters for words and eliminates the worry about needing to repeat words between different commas. I heard we got 350 characters. Someone else said 400. It will say you have 6 keywords left, but just ignore that.

Createspace makes you use commas by limiting the number of words between them.

I'm not sure whether I've got this - but if you don't use the commas to separate your keywords - wouldn't that just give you one long (and very specific) search string?

I thought from what was said earlier in the thread that, the more words you use in a search, the more it narrows down. And likewise with keywords?
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Re: Evenstar's Monster Post on Amazon Keywords
« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2015, 03:24:14 PM »
I'm not sure whether I've got this - but if you don't use the commas to separate your keywords - wouldn't that just give you one long (and very specific) search string?

I thought from what was said earlier in the thread that, the more words you use in a search, the more it narrows down. And likewise with keywords?

I don't think it matters what order the words are in, so it wouldn't be specific.

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Re: Evenstar's Monster Post on Amazon Keywords
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2015, 03:28:20 PM »
You definitely don't want to use quotes in your keywords, but if readers use quotes to search for your keywords, it will affect their results.


Ah, okay. Misunderstood your first post. Quotes for searches. No quotes for keywords. I can agree with that. :)

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« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2015, 03:31:12 PM »
Jessie, Amazon will pull any and all keywords in any order from your list when creating search results. I still use the commas, but as Cherise says, you probably don't have to.

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« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2015, 03:32:12 PM »
Jessie, Amazon will pull any and all keywords in any order from your list when creating search results. I still use the commas, but as Cherise says, you probably don't have to.

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Re: Evenstar's Monster Post on Amazon Keywords
« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2015, 03:38:16 PM »
I need to do more research, because my key question is this: Are searches based on your keywords exact matches, full word matches, or just any of the words in the list needed to match. ...

I've tested this and it seems to me word order is irrelevant. Say you have seven extended phrases for your keywords and someone searches the last word of one and the first word of another, your book will still show up.

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« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2015, 03:51:24 PM »
Wow. This thread is great. I read an entire book on keywords that wasn't as good as this thread. Bookmarked. Thanks!

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Re: Evenstar's Monster Post on Amazon Keywords
« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2015, 04:15:58 PM »
I don't think it matters what order the words are in, so it wouldn't be specific.

Yes, this

Jessie, Amazon will pull any and all keywords in any order from your list when creating search results. I still use the commas, but as Cherise says, you probably don't have to.

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Yes, and this

The more words the reader uses in a search, the more it narrows down. It doesn't matter how many keywords you have, unless some reader, for whatever reason, and however unlikely that might be, chooses to search for all your keywords at the same time.


Yup, this too
I've tested this and it seems to me word order is irrelevant. Say you have seven extended phrases for your keywords and someone searches the last word of one and the first word of another, your book will still show up.

Very well put!

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« Reply #62 on: January 02, 2015, 07:26:36 PM »
Incredible helpful post, Evenstar. Thanks for uploading your brain for us.

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Re: Evenstar's Monster Post on Amazon Keywords
« Reply #63 on: January 02, 2015, 08:02:50 PM »
Lots of food for thought here - thanks for taking the time to post this, Evenstar!

My question is this: when it comes to using keywords to getting into categories, do you think you can use keyword stuffing AND still get into the right (smaller) categories if the keyword is part of a string of keywords?

For example: to get into Fantasy>Swords and Sorcery, you need to use keywords like sword, sorcery, magic and quest. Could you stuff those into one and still get into the right category? So instead of using those as separate keywords, is putting a keyword that is "sword sorcery magic quest," going to still get you into the Swords and Sorcery category? Does anyone know?

I got into the Swords and Sorcery category unintentionally simply by having the word "dragon" in one of my keyword phrases.  I hope this won't be a problem for me, since the book is definitely not sword and sorcery and I didn't want to put it in that category! But it's full of dragons, which is why I wanted "dragon" in the key words. The keyword I used was "urban fantasy dragons". So yes, I'd say "sword sorcery magic quest" would definitely get you in there.

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« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2015, 08:03:39 PM »
Great post, Evenstar! It has given me a lot to think about. Thank you!

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« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2015, 08:08:47 PM »
I got into the Swords and Sorcery category unintentionally simply by having the word "dragon" in one of my keyword phrases.  I hope this won't be a problem for me, since the book is definitely not sword and sorcery and I didn't want to put it in that category! But it's full of dragons, which is why I wanted "dragon" in the key words. The keyword I used was "urban fantasy dragons". So yes, I'd say "sword sorcery magic quest" would definitely get you in there.

Thanks :)

From what I've seen browsing through various fantasy categories, there are a LOT of books that seem like they don't fit, or are at least a stretch, and I bet that's why. I see things like shifter romances coming up under some of the fantasy subcategories, and they don't really seem to fit there, but who knows. :)

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« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2015, 08:20:47 PM »
Yeah, I entered "myths & legends" because my story involves oracles, and I got swords and sorcery as well. I admit it's been fun (distracting!) trying out new keywords. :)

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« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2015, 09:28:01 PM »
Thanks for this post. Due to it I redid all my books and now a search for "Pacific North West Japanese" has Seattle in Shorts sitting proudly at the top. Of course that is because I meant to type what most people do "Pacific Northwest," but the alternative spelling helped. Prior to reading this post Pacific North West was not one of my keywords.
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« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2015, 10:32:24 PM »
So is there any way to know what words or phrases customers use to search - as in, these more frequently than others? I seem to recall once someone saying you can find out using Google, and although it doesn't translate exactly to Amazon, it might help? Or I might have made that up in my head.

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Do we know exactly how Amazon treat keyword strings, Evenstar? Your advice seems to assume that Amazon treats paranormal romance witch werewolf zombies ghost shifter love as ("paranormal romance" or love) and (witch or werewolf or zombies or ghost or shifter). But if they treat the string as "paranormal romance witch werewolf zombies ghost shifter love," then someone would have to search on exactly that string for your book to come up.
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I need to do more research, because my key question is this: Are searches based on your keywords exact matches, full word matches, or just any of the words in the list needed to match.

All of the above and more - hyphens, compound words, commas, etc - is in this.
http://www.amazon.com/Rock-KDP-Keywords-Marketing-Publishing-ebook/dp/B00R6AYHYC
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« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2015, 12:44:40 AM »
I clearly need to make this keywords thing my new year resolution. Many thanks psoting this.

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« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2015, 01:05:08 AM »
All of the above and more - hyphens, compound words, commas, etc - is in this.
http://www.amazon.com/Rock-KDP-Keywords-Marketing-Publishing-ebook/dp/B00R6AYHYC

Thanks. Could be useful.
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« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2015, 01:34:37 AM »
If you type in your name on Amazon it comes up with a list of your books, and on the left side of the page it shows the categories that your books show up in and how many books you have in that category. This could help with keywords.

I've noticed that my children's books didn't show as I write them under the name Janet Hurst-Nicholson and not Jan Hurst-Nicholson. There is also a blank author page for Janet Hurst-Nicholson. I think I'll have to try to combine them  ::).

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« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2015, 02:32:48 AM »
Thanks Evenstar for a very helpful post on keywords. I started with a keyword "phrase" search and was stunned by what I found. Have updated my keywords and now hope readers use my phrases when searching.  My best to you and yours in the new year!
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« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2015, 06:36:02 AM »
Evenstar, thank you so much for your post. I have tweaked (?!) my keywords and will see what happens. It is quite fun!

I have slightly different keywords on my three books and two short stories. Searching for "metaphysical visionary" seems to pull me up on about page 4.

But just doing the searches seems to give some idea of how Amazon use their sub-categories.
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