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The Sun God's Heir: Return (Book One)
by Elliott Baker


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For three thousand years a hatred burns. In seventeenth century Bordeaux two souls incarnate, one born the child of a prosperous merchant, the other, steals a life determined to continue a brutal incarnation begun long ago.

Under the guidance of Pharaoh, two brothers grew strong in knowledge and power, one a physician, the other a general. With the pharaoh’s untimely death, a deep hatred blossoms. One remembers, one does not.

The year is 1671. René Gilbert’s destiny glints from the blade of a slashing rapier. To protect those he loves he must regain the power and knowledge earned in an ancient lifetime. From Bordeaux to Spain to Morocco, René is tested and with each turn of fate he gathers enemies and allies as the memory and power of a lifetime as physician to Pharaoh returns.

Determined to continue a reign of terror that once caused the Nile to run red, Horemheb takes over the life of a young man mortally wo…

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Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« on: January 28, 2015, 02:53:28 PM »
Howdy,

There is a new amazon ad button for KDP Select people. It is where the free promotion and kindle select countdown deal. Any idea the effects this will have on people who don't use it? Will you have to use ads to increase exposure? Will it kill most non-select authors who don't have major followings?

It is brand new so the cpc is five cents. You only pay when someone clicks on the ad and gets directed to your book. I am giving it a try. It is a one hundred dollar minimum for your campaign budget. I'll let you know how it goes!


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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 02:58:12 PM »
I do not have this option on my last title that is in KDP Select. However, I know where the Amazon ad network lives if I wanted to go buy CPC ads for my book. My issue is why am I going to pay a company that already takes a 30% cut of my product's sale additional monies to advertise my book on their site? Something is fundamentally wrong with that system. I think I will stick with my plans of building my own following. :)


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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 03:00:49 PM »
I do not have this option on my last title that is in KDP Select. However, I know where the Amazon ad network lives if I wanted to go buy CPC ads for my book. My issue is why am I going to pay a company that already takes a 30% cut of my product's sale additional monies to advertise my book on their site? Something is fundamentally wrong with that system. I think I will stick with my plans of building my own following. :)


Same here. I don't see the ad button on my Select titles, and I'm kind of glad.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2015, 03:03:07 PM »
I believe they are split testing. The system has been around for six months or so.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2015, 03:18:06 PM »
I believe they are split testing. The system has been around for six months or so.

Interesting. I wonder how they selected the people to offer it to then. Maybe those who have most of their titles in Select and use the free promotions often? I wouldn't have known about it until I went to set a free promotion today.


I do not have this option on my last title that is in KDP Select. However, I know where the Amazon ad network lives if I wanted to go buy CPC ads for my book. My issue is why am I going to pay a company that already takes a 30% cut of my product's sale additional monies to advertise my book on their site? Something is fundamentally wrong with that system. I think I will stick with my plans of building my own following. :)

I get that argument. My rationale is to test it out to see what it is like and I think it could be a boost for more exposure for my backlist. I also hope that it can have massive trickle down effect since it is part one of a serial that I'm using it on.

We shall see. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 04:30:52 PM »
I see it now, but when I click on it, I get:

Oops! The page you requested is currently unavailable.

LOL!  ;D

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2015, 05:59:38 PM »
I see it now, but when I click on it, I get:

Oops! The page you requested is currently unavailable.

LOL!  ;D
It let me set up two of them for a test run. I picked two different books, offered limited funds, and then picked two different options for who to target (for experimentation purposes). I figure it's worth a shot. They okayed my advertising options within about fifteen minutes each, and they start tomorrow, so I'm mildly curious. If it doesn't work, I'm only out a couple hundred bucks. If it does, it could be a really good thing. I'm just checking it out now. I have no idea of knowing if it will be good or bad at this point.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2015, 06:15:18 PM »
I finally see it, they changed my Manage Benefits to Promote and Advertise. I"m reading the terms now. It says Amazon Network Property. You all should know they just opened up CPM advertising to affiliates. I'm willing to bet these "ads" are not going to appear on Amazon.com proper, but on Affiliate sites. In fact, so far in the T&C of the CPC stuff offered to authors/publishers Amazon Network Property is defined as :

""Amazon Network Property" means (a) the Amazon Site; (b) any website or other online point of presence operated by Amazon or our Affiliates; and/or (c) any other website, device, service, application, feature or online point of presence through which the Amazon Site, any website of any of our Affiliates and/or products or services (including the Services) available thereon are syndicated, offered, merchandised, advertised or described."

Plus, there's also a provision that none of your materials will be aimed at people under 13. And no obscene material. Just make sure you all read the fine print.


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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2015, 06:26:36 PM »
More info here (link is on the Reports page):

https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=AVFOAV1KG90UW

"With advertising for KDP Select, you can use Amazon Marketing Services (AMS) to purchase advertising to promote your KDP-Select-enrolled books on Amazon.com."

I guess I'll never get to try it since my last title leaves Select tonight.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2015, 06:28:36 PM »
I just booked it. 100 bucks, 15 cent CPC. For two products similar to my book.

EDIT: Just booked a second one, this time for genre. See how things go.
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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2015, 07:13:25 PM »
A hundred bucks??? As the minimum? Uh, no thanks. Let's see, I get a dollar and some change for a book borrowed in Select. I'd have to have at least 80 borrows before I even get in the black. Sure, I might get some sales too, but I bet KU subscribers are targeted since the books are in Select.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2015, 07:19:56 PM »
This could be a game changer for the people who can master this.

But until someone figures out the parameters it seems a bit dangerous to experiment with blind.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2015, 07:26:54 PM »
I'd be interested to see what the ads look like and where they are, if anyone sees their ad and can link it, that would be much appreciated.
I'm not in Select, nor would this entice me to go in, but if they wanted to take my money anyway, I'd probably give it a try.  :(

It will be interesting to see what the actual ad looks like, if it pushes for people to borrow or just tries to get them to click on your book. If it's all about "Read this book for free with KU membership" which already irks me because 9.99 a month isn't free! and also, you're really paying them to help advertise their program.
But, only if that's what the ads look like. It could end up being really good, and like I said, I'd definitely try it if they wanted my non-select money, lol.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2015, 07:30:17 PM »
For instance, I'm looking at 'Target ad by product.' And then it lets me choose as many products as I like.

Doesn't seem right. It seems the more products I choose the more I'd be paying. But I can't find out where it says how any of that works.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2015, 07:42:44 PM »
For instance, I'm looking at 'Target ad by product.' And then it lets me choose as many products as I like.

Doesn't seem right. It seems the more products I choose the more I'd be paying. But I can't find out where it says how any of that works.


I think it will be highly useful for some genres It says the suggested cpc bid for romance books there for me is five cents. That can pay dividends for a series. If the ad helps your first book take off then your subsequent books will do well. It will also help non ad viewers find your book because your ranking will go up creating more exposure. The ad is essentially your book cover and its title, but it is targeted to people who like that type of genre and you only get paid if they click through to the book page.


You can also do an ad for target a similar product.

For instance, I'm looking at 'Target ad by product.' And then it lets me choose as many products as I like.

Doesn't seem right. It seems the more products I choose the more I'd be paying. But I can't find out where it says how any of that works.

I believe it is more because you are competing against more people for your ads to be shown. I use to do internet marketing and this was the case for other cpc sites like google adwords. The more people in the ad pool then the the higher you have to pay usually.
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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2015, 07:58:17 PM »
I don't see anything that says where on the page your ad will be displayed. Am I missing something? Does anybody else know where these ads will show up?


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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2015, 08:01:06 PM »
I don't see anything that says where on the page your ad will be displayed. Am I missing something? Does anybody else know where these ads will show up?
The ones I've seen have been fairly high up on the product page -- right around where the Kindle All-Star banners appear.

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2015, 08:05:25 PM »
I'm willing to bet these "ads" are not going to appear on Amazon.com proper, but on Affiliate sites.

Ads booked by beta users have been showing up on every ebook product page for the last 6 months. ;)

They appear on the amazon.com site just under the 'Send a Sample' box on the right side of the page. 

That said, the beta runs I've been tracking for the past 6 months appear to be rather ineffectual. I didn't purchase any during the beta run and likely won't purchase unless they tweak them into something useful.

A hundred bucks??? As the minimum? Uh, no thanks. Let's see, I get a dollar and some change for a book borrowed in Select. I'd have to have at least 80 borrows before I even get in the black. Sure, I might get some sales too, but I bet KU subscribers are targeted since the books are in Select.

You have to commit $100, but if you don't get the clicks within the specified time, you don't have to pay - your credit card won't be charged. I didn't run any of the KDP Select ads, but I did run CPC ads with Amazon Marketing Services last spring. Out of my $100 budget that I really wanted to spend, I was only able to get like $10 worth of clicks. I was only charged the 10 bucks.

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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2015, 08:11:58 PM »
Ads booked by beta users have been showing up on every ebook product page for the last 6 months. ;)

They appear on the amazon.com site just under the 'Send a Sample' box on the right side of the page. 

That said, the beta runs I've been tracking for the past 6 months appear to be rather ineffectual. I didn't purchase any during the beta run and likely won't purchase unless they tweak them into something useful.

You have to commit $100, but if you don't get the clicks within the specified time, you don't have to pay - your credit card won't be charged. I didn't run any of the KDP Select ads, but I did run CPC ads with Amazon Marketing Services last spring. Out of my $100 budget that I really wanted to spend, I was only able to get like $10 worth of clicks. I was only charged the 10 bucks.
I think, like everything else, it's going to be a learning process. They might not work. I have no idea if they will. I'm willing to try. Why not? I'm just going to play around with them for a few weeks and see what happens.

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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2015, 08:38:46 PM »
The way they're doing it doesn't make sense and is poorly implemented. a MUCH better way would have been to sell ads on the post order page, or thank you page. For example, if you bought a book on "bigfoot", then I could buy a spot on that thank you page as "Other books similar to this you might like". I'd gladly pay for that. But they are burying the ad the way they're doing it now and it won't be effective.
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2015, 08:45:33 PM »
I think, like everything else, it's going to be a learning process. They might not work. I have no idea if they will. I'm willing to try. Why not? I'm just going to play around with them for a few weeks and see what happens.

Oh, sure. There's very little risk with this CPC model, so why not give it a try? Truly popular books might wind up with a nicely positive ROI. I know the books we have in Select right now are mainly our least popular titles, so they aren't prime candidates.

Also, looks like they've added a second ad space to the top of the reviews area where they're displaying both non-book products as well as rotating some of the ebook products through. More and more ads on our product pages will simply dilute their effect, though :(

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2015, 09:52:15 PM »
My advice is to stay clear of this. I was a tester. $600 and lots of clicks resulted in... drum roll please... $28

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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2015, 10:26:48 PM »
This is like pushing away the authors with small budget, $100 is much I guess.

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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2015, 10:36:37 PM »
This: My issue is why am I going to pay a company that already takes a 30% cut of my product's sale additional monies to advertise my book on their site? Something is fundamentally wrong with that system.


First: I agree with you. This seems like double dipping. Shouldn't Amazon focus on DISCOVERABILITY i.e. good books get highlighted naturally.

Second: This is mirroring what Amazon does with Publishers and what bookstores do. You first give a share and then you give an additional share for 'placement'. Same in grocery stores.

Third: This will really squeeze authors, unless of course it's ineffective. If it takes off, then you have a bidding system, and any auction based system results in people gradually leaving all their profits at the table. Look at what happens with Google Adwords. The cost per click for searches like 'free romance books' and 'free kindle books' is $1 to $2. For some searches it's $4. For a single click. I'm not even sure how these people who pay $2 per click make back their money.

This is also how Facebook is growing its revenue in mobile - It's letting app developers pay crazy amounts for clicks on app install ads - hoping it leads to app installs.



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Re: Amazon New Ad Button for Select
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2015, 12:14:10 AM »
My advice is to stay clear of this. I was a tester. $600 and lots of clicks resulted in... drum roll please... $28

You did better than me. I got a fair number of clicks but no sales and I think it cost me $2 in the end.