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Re: Kindle Scout experiences & Nomination Requests (MERGED)
« Reply #23875 on: January 20, 2018, 06:02:23 AM »
Pushed the submit button on Kindle Scout for Ghostly Intentions tonight. I feel as nervous as I did when I was doing query letters to editors and agents!

Good luck. May the gods of KindleScout be with you. :)

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« Reply #23876 on: January 20, 2018, 06:08:23 AM »
I submitted mine last night, too. Good luck with yours and don't stress. Come what may, it's great exposure for your work.

Wishing you lots of luck with your campaign, too. :)

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« Reply #23877 on: January 20, 2018, 08:17:04 AM »
Thanks, Sceptique, for sharing that feedback. Your experience has taught me a lot about what editors are looking for--solid, tightly-plotted books that fit a distinct genre.

Knowing this, I feel less optimistic about my chances. My book is a revised MFA thesis that I didn't write to genre. It has vaguely literary aspirations. However, my numbers are back up after a week off the hot & trending list. I credit this entirely to Jessica Rose's services at Best Indie Press (http://unbouncepages.com/bestindiepress_kindlescout/?utm_source=jessicaemailsignature&utm_medium=email&utm_content=jessicaemailsignature). At $200 for a four-day promotion, it is not cheap, but just check out these stats. (My promo went live on Jan. 16.)



Here's the campaign, if you're inclined to check it out: https://kindlescout.amazon.com/p/F2NAYVTGPPX7
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« Reply #23878 on: January 20, 2018, 08:29:26 AM »
Thanks for everyone who nominated FIGHTING TO WIN. My campaign is in review, and I'm thinking about next steps. If it's not selected I haven't decided what I'll do with the book. It seems that most publish on Amazon immediately. Is that correct?

The email I wrote in the beginning that automatically goes to all nominators is horrible and has no call to action. But what is my call to action if I haven't decided what will happen with the book? When do they typically send this out, and will they let me modify it? If anyone is interested in stats here they are:

6.2k Views
392 hour in H and T

If this post sounds confusing, its because I am confused. :)

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« Reply #23879 on: January 20, 2018, 08:46:40 AM »
Does anyone know whether there's a set definition of what "shortlisted" means? I suppose that most of the time, you wouldn't know whether or not you'd been shortlisted, but the current promotion where shortlisted books get feedback and others don't means there must be a line drawn somewhere.

 Is it a case of getting a set number of views/H&T hours/nominations etc? Or is it, rather like selection seems to be, entirely at the editors' discretion? Or is the whole thing as shrouded in mystery as everything else about the process?!
It's shrouded in mystery.

There was speculation about a month ago that number of nominations had something to do with shortlisting. Well, not exactly speculation--a Scout employee, in responding to questions, actually said it did. I'm skeptical mostly because the inner workings aren't usually revealed, and at least one book got selected with zero hours in HT, which means very few nominations. I'm inclined to think the employee response may have been misinformed.

I think every book must get at least a glance. I'm now suspecting only the shortlisted titles get full reads. In those cases, they get very full reads.


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« Reply #23880 on: January 20, 2018, 09:26:07 AM »
Quick question for those who've published through Scout/Kindle Press: When someone who has nominated your book actually downloads their free copy, it counts as a sale in the Amazon ecosystem as far as we can tell, correct? So, you get a ranking boost from it, etc? (Not including royalties, of course.)

Hopefully someone else will answer your question, but as far as I know, it works like someone buying a book you have on preorder. So, yes, it should favorably impact your sales rank.

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« Reply #23881 on: January 20, 2018, 09:41:22 AM »
Hopefully someone else will answer your question, but as far as I know, it works like someone buying a book you have on preorder. So, yes, it should favorably impact your sales rank.
I also believe that's the case.


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« Reply #23882 on: January 20, 2018, 10:00:02 AM »
Quick question for those who've published through Scout/Kindle Press: When someone who has nominated your book actually downloads their free copy, it counts as a sale in the Amazon ecosystem as far as we can tell, correct? So, you get a ranking boost from it, etc? (Not including royalties, of course.)

Yup. Ranking is initially set by that first big rush of downloads - which is ANOTHER reason to push like all get-out for a lot of nominations.

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« Reply #23883 on: January 20, 2018, 10:09:24 AM »
Does anyone know whether there's a set definition of what "shortlisted" means? I suppose that most of the time, you wouldn't know whether or not you'd been shortlisted, but the current promotion where shortlisted books get feedback and others don't means there must be a line drawn somewhere.

 Is it a case of getting a set number of views/H&T hours/nominations etc? Or is it, rather like selection seems to be, entirely at the editors' discretion? Or is the whole thing as shrouded in mystery as everything else about the process?!

When I got my initial telephone call from Kindle Press to let me know what would be happening with my book I was told that the primary factor in being selected was "Have you written a good, well-crafted, genre-specific, salable novel".  Hot and trending is a small factor, although Kindle Press DOES certainly value high Hot and Trending, simply because the higher your Hot and Trending was - the better your initial ranking would be and the likelier your chances of receiving a good amount of early reviews.

KELPIE DREAMS was my second Scout submission and I promoted the heck out of it. Mind you, I probably only spent $20 to $30 on the marketing side of things. I made up for my lack of a promotional budget with a whole lot of sweat equity. I blogged everyday about the process and experience. I Facebooked like the God of all exhibitionists. I Tweeted like a flock of parakeets on speed. I scribbled NOMINATE MY BOOK in every men's room in Halifax.

So - write the best that you can manage. Write something that CLEARLY fits on a bookshelf - that is, something that fits squarely into a given popular genre. Do NOT write something that is too quirky and/or obscure and/or multi-genre.

And then get out there and hustle!

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Re: Kindle Scout experiences & Nomination Requests (MERGED)
« Reply #23884 on: January 20, 2018, 10:27:55 AM »
Thanks for everyone who nominated FIGHTING TO WIN. My campaign is in review, and I'm thinking about next steps. If it's not selected I haven't decided what I'll do with the book. It seems that most publish on Amazon immediately. Is that correct?

The email I wrote in the beginning that automatically goes to all nominators is horrible and has no call to action. But what is my call to action if I haven't decided what will happen with the book? When do they typically send this out, and will they let me modify it? If anyone is interested in stats here they are:

6.2k Views
392 hour in H and T

If this post sounds confusing, its because I am confused. :)
KS sends you an email reminding you how your letter will read when it gets sent out.
You can respond to the email, rewrite what you want and they will change it. I emphasize - write it exactly as you want it. I wrote my response with instructions on what to change. They sent me back the email showing what they intended to email to the people who nominated my book. It was exactly as
I had written, instructions and all.

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« Reply #23885 on: January 20, 2018, 12:50:18 PM »
Yes, it's possible to make changes after a submission has been approved and even after the campaign goes live. I've made a few myself. They give you a day or two to preview your campaign page after it's been approved but before anyone else can see it, during which time you can contact them with any changed you want made. After the campaign goes live, they are still quite responsive to any requests you might have, although I imagine they won't be too happy about changes substantial enough to confuse the readers.

Thanks, it's good to know. And the KS team is more flexible than I thought.

Thanks, Simply_J! A lot of excellent ideas here.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if the book was chosen, knowing what I know about it's content. :)

You are right, this is, essentially, an "otaku" book, and "otaku" are not a mass market by definition.

There are some editorial suggestions, that make take some time to implement (like changes to the plot structure).
But the suggestions for book marketing might be an easier fix. Here are some more, if you are interested:

Marketing comments:

         Youve chosen some YA categories for the books marketing, but there are several aspects of the content that are inconsistent with many YA readers expectations for the genre, and so you might consider modifying either the content or your marketing strategy in the interest of best meeting readers expectations:

o   While there are many notable exceptions to this, most commercially-successful contemporary YA novels use a first-person narrator, or at least adopt a more young adult perspective. For example, the references to The King and I and Viktor Frankl are more consistent with the narrative voice of a book being marketed to middle-aged readers than to YA readers.

o   Compared to most contemporary YA, an unusually high proportion of this novels content is devoted to the adult characters discussing their adult conflicts with other adults. From a Sci-Fi worldbuilding perspective this is fantastic because it enhances the novels sense of scope and realism, but YA readers are mostly interested in seeing the story through the young adult protagonists perspective, and these scenes (particularly the ones featuring Stan and Takura) have a thoroughly adult point of view. Should you publish the book and find that YA readers are not drawn to the content, you might consider dropping the YA categories and simply marketing the book as non-YA Sci-Fi. (In which case, you might also consider changing the cover design to de-emphasize the protagonists age.)

o   To our eye, the cover design looks more like a line drawing than is perhaps ideal: the black shape outlines are very prominent, and the color shading looks a bit flat and painted on. We think that readers will be more likely to consider purchasing this book if the cover art is further refined so that it has a more photorealistic appearance. Furthermore, most readers will only ever see the books cover at thumbnail size, and many will only see it in grayscale, and so we recommend proofing the illustration and lettering to those parameters, as well.

  One more comment on the cover design: the gun in Harvies hand seems too old-fashioned compared to the way the guns are described in the story.

Now, I understand better their decision. Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, I used to be an "otaku" and I found anime an inspiration to start writing again. (I was writing since I was a child, but stopped when I grew up). The irony is once I took writing seriously, there was no time for anime. There is a lot I intend to catch with soon.
 
Well, I don't know your goals as an author, but in order to succeed we sometimes must adapt. You can publish Harvie as you intended originally. And on the side, I suggest that you write a new series using the same world from Harvie, but more commercial. Using an anime analogy, it would be more like 'Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny' than 'Kurau Phantom Memory'. There still a lot room for drama and action.   

And, of course, written in the first person present tense POV, and character driven. In that way, you can write what you feel like, and be successful too. I'ts what some famous authors had done.
 

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Re: Kindle Scout experiences & Nomination Requests (MERGED)
« Reply #23886 on: January 20, 2018, 01:00:44 PM »
I think this would be a great idea. I've done a lot of CP-ing/beta reading and received and acted on a lot of feedback on my novels too, and I'd be happy to give my thoughts on people's entries pre-submission. And indeed, I'd be keen to get views on any subsequent novels I decide to enter.

In the meantime, where's the thread you mentioned where people comment on covers and blurbs before they are submitted?

The threads for blurs and covers are individually posted by authors. These are two of the most recent ones:

Blurb and cover feedback please?
http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,260033.0.html

Just got new covers up, comments welcome!
http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,260050.0.html


I thought that we could do something like 'Please take a look at my YA Kindle Scout MS before I submit' type of thread, so the ones of us who have the time, experience and willingness could see if there is anything to better the submission.



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« Reply #23887 on: January 20, 2018, 01:02:26 PM »
I just nominated Cutie by Peter Stein.

Jill James and Kay L Ling, I don't see your names on Steve's list, or are you guys using a pen name? Huh, maybe I missed something, I'm sorry, if I did.

Anyway, best of luck, everyone!

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« Reply #23888 on: January 20, 2018, 01:44:01 PM »
I just nominated Cutie by Peter Stein.

Jill James and Kay L Ling, I don't see your names on Steve's list, or are you guys using a pen name? Huh, maybe I missed something, I'm sorry, if I did.

Anyway, best of luck, everyone!

Were still waiting for our campaigns to be approved and go live.

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« Reply #23889 on: January 20, 2018, 02:19:15 PM »
Were still waiting for our campaigns to be approved and go live.

Thanks.

 ;D

I knew I missed something. I'm juggling too many things at the same time.

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« Reply #23890 on: January 20, 2018, 04:46:36 PM »
I just nominated Cutie by Peter Stein.

Thank you! (Or as we say it in Sweden: Tusen tack!)

It's late night here in Sweden and I am doing an early draft of Author's afterword with the purpose pitching for the sequel to Cutie and maybe getting some reviews.

I'm still not sure about this. It kind of feels like I am compromising the book with stuff from the outside world. Stuff I'd like to keep out. Marketing stuff that should have no place in a book.

Where are you guys on this? Better to skip it right?

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« Reply #23891 on: January 20, 2018, 07:40:20 PM »
Thanks for everyone who nominated FIGHTING TO WIN. My campaign is in review, and I'm thinking about next steps. If it's not selected I haven't decided what I'll do with the book. It seems that most publish on Amazon immediately. Is that correct?

The email I wrote in the beginning that automatically goes to all nominators is horrible and has no call to action. But what is my call to action if I haven't decided what will happen with the book? When do they typically send this out, and will they let me modify it? If anyone is interested in stats here they are:

6.2k Views
392 hour in H and T

If this post sounds confusing, its because I am confused. :)

Your stats look good. Best wishes on the outcome.

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« Reply #23892 on: January 20, 2018, 10:01:07 PM »
I submitted mine last night, too. Good luck with yours and don't stress. Come what may, it's great exposure for your work.

Good luck to you too!!
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« Reply #23893 on: January 20, 2018, 10:03:16 PM »
Good luck. May the gods of KindleScout be with you. :)

Thanks, Ronesa.
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« Reply #23894 on: January 20, 2018, 10:08:39 PM »
I just nominated Cutie by Peter Stein.

Jill James and Kay L Ling, I don't see your names on Steve's list, or are you guys using a pen name? Huh, maybe I missed something, I'm sorry, if I did.


I just submitted it last night, I haven't heard yet if they accepted it.
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Re: Kindle Scout experiences & Nomination Requests (MERGED)
« Reply #23895 on: January 21, 2018, 03:16:35 AM »
Okay - so it is Sunday and I have got an evening shift at work ahead of me.

So let's get on with today's list, shall we?

Remember - the campaigns that need nominations the most are the ones that are closest to the LAST DAY LEFT, 1 day left, 2 days left etc.

Updated List

LAST DAY LEFT! Cutie by Peter Stein
4 days left An Occupied Grave by A.G. Barnett
6 days left Island on Fire by Sophie Schiller
6 days left Knight School by Robert G. Culp
6 days left The Thief's Son by Jose Carlos Antunes
7 days left Blood Will Tell by Colleen S. Myers
11 days left Acts of God and Other Damage by Missy Wilkinson
11 days left Secret of the Lost Key by Paul Kilmartin
12 days left Angels In The Basement by Kristi Lane
12 days left The Human Dilemma by Rupert Exavier Moore
13 days left The Ancient Tripod of Peace by Kalen Cap
13 days left My Love Is Vengeance by Georgiana Derwent
21 days left Justified Sins by Brian Drae
21 days left Imperfect Li(v)es by SA Krishnan
27 days left Electric Gardens by M. Black

I put this list up every morning and I strive to keep it up-to-date so that this thread needn't dissolve into a flurry of "NOMINATE MY BOOK, NOMINATE MY BOOK" posts. No one is under any obligation to nominate any of these books. I'm just trying to keep the thread clear of unnecessary clutter. This way once a day there is a complete list of current candidates and folks can readily check out the kboards members who have a book in the running and can make up their own mind. I try and stay nonpartisan about it - which is why I don't comment on any particular book by title. I just keep the list.
 
If I have missed anyone please let me know either with a PM or by posting a link here in the thread.

Happy scouting, folks!

PS: Don't forget, if you HAVEN'T been selected for Kindle Scout and you are wondering what to do next you can get just as much help from the "My Book Wasn't Accepted For Kindle Scout - Now What?" thread. Even if you already know what you are going to do I guarantee you'll get an awful lot of support from the gang over there!

Check it out - https://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,243477.0.html


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« Reply #23896 on: January 21, 2018, 04:35:47 AM »
And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain

Stats:
8k views, 56% from Kindle. Looks like it will be a total of 150 hrs in the Hot and Trending list with almost all the last week.
The last 4 days will be with 100% on the list so that was nice to finish like that.

In retrospect, I should not have done the fb ads. Lincoln J Cole, Authors Shout, readper and the other book blogs proved to be working when fb was not. Still here we are and I am very happy with the fact that at one point in time, my book was on the hot list of Kindle Scout.

That's huge for me. (Even if I had to pay for the promotion, it doesn't matter. I WAS on the list with my book!)

I'll be signing off now, but I am sure we'll see each other in the other threads here on kboards.

One more thing. This was a truly a fantastic experience. I want to do it again! I hope I can enter my next book here in 2019 when it should be ready and translated. See you then!

To the rest of you still in the program: Good luck and I hope you have a fantastic journey!

/Peter


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« Reply #23897 on: January 21, 2018, 04:37:05 AM »
Filled up my slots with some interesting future reads! Good luck to everyone!

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« Reply #23898 on: January 21, 2018, 05:22:26 AM »
And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain

Stats:
8k views, 56% from Kindle. Looks like it will be a total of 150 hrs in the Hot and Trending list with almost all the last week.
The last 4 days will be with 100% on the list so that was nice to finish like that.

In retrospect, I should not have done the fb ads. Lincoln J Cole, Authors Shout, readper and the other book blogs proved to be working when fb was not. Still here we are and I am very happy with the fact that at one point in time, my book was on the hot list of Kindle Scout.

That's huge for me. (Even if I had to pay for the promotion, it doesn't matter. I WAS on the list with my book!)

I'll be signing off now, but I am sure we'll see each other in the other threads here on kboards.

One more thing. This was a truly a fantastic experience. I want to do it again! I hope I can enter my next book here in 2019 when it should be ready and translated. See you then!

To the rest of you still in the program: Good luck and I hope you have a fantastic journey!

/Peter



Those look like great stats to me. You finished strong, so would think that would impress those deciding on marketability of your novel for kindle publication selection.

For my entry, "The Ancient Tripod of Peace" ( https://kindlescout.amazon.com/p/1X44DG0TTIURM ) has slowed down on views, but still trending all right overall, seems to be part of that murky middle third of the campaign experience. I'm not sure I'll see 8000 views. Looking to give a more formal update tomorrow.
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« Reply #23899 on: January 21, 2018, 05:33:22 AM »
And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain

Stats:
8k views, 56% from Kindle. Looks like it will be a total of 150 hrs in the Hot and Trending list with almost all the last week.
The last 4 days will be with 100% on the list so that was nice to finish like that.

In retrospect, I should not have done the fb ads. Lincoln J Cole, Authors Shout, readper and the other book blogs proved to be working when fb was not. Still here we are and I am very happy with the fact that at one point in time, my book was on the hot list of Kindle Scout.

That's huge for me. (Even if I had to pay for the promotion, it doesn't matter. I WAS on the list with my book!)

I'll be signing off now, but I am sure we'll see each other in the other threads here on kboards.

One more thing. This was a truly a fantastic experience. I want to do it again! I hope I can enter my next book here in 2019 when it should be ready and translated. See you then!

To the rest of you still in the program: Good luck and I hope you have a fantastic journey!

/Peter

Thanks for posting, these stats are great and very interesting in comparison to mine.

Here are mine with four days left...

1.6k views, 124 hours in hot and trending, 85% from kindle scout.