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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2017, 09:49:07 AM »
Overseas royalties are Personal Services Income. There is a specific place on the return for this.

Ah, now I understand. Thank you.
     

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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2017, 09:22:01 PM »
Updated:


  • Remove any links to Amazon, including to your author central page. (Apple are rabid about Amazon.)
  • Remove the word Amazon. (I dont know what you do if a character is an Amazon, but Apple will still reject the book most likely just for using the word.)
  • Remove any other links to any other platform. I've removed Bookbub and Goodreads as well. (Amazon own Goodreads)
  • They allow 5 categories, but put the ones you really want first, as only 2 might be used on some platforms.
  • Check the chapters list on the second page. If something went wrong with the upload, or there is something wrong with the book contents, it will most likely show up here as missing chapter headings.
  • The Draft2Digital submission is very fast, but the process of adding to the major platforms appears to be a lot slower than adding to KDP. You do get emails as each one is added.
  • Make sure your BIO has no mention of any Apple competitor, especially if adding it to the back of each book.

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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2017, 10:17:00 AM »
I'm sure you know some of this, but I'll run through the basics also in case it helps anyone else, before adding some marketing stuff.

Very useful! As I'm sure Patty's guide will be. Allow me to amplify several going wide issues.

Later this year we'll launch the completed three 65K-each novels of our flagship series. We'll follow in early 2018 with a "parallel arc" trilogy of longish novellas (featuring the misadventures of some of our lead fem characters).

I went wide over a year ago through D2D, mainly as a hedge against AZ uncertainties. Now, with six books and two boxed sets nearing launch, I'm back doing detailed planning for distribution and marketing.

NOTE: We publish provocative, comic, *erotic* full stories. Rich on character dev, intriguing larger story arc, realistic settings and plots -- eg, no 30ish pretend-billionaires, just real men and really smart young women generating serious steam. Our need to be wide may not fully apply to your case.

Erotica problems update:

1   The KU payout collapse confirmed that "wide" would need to be our base strategy
2   But seriously impeding us, D2D recently decided not to distribute sexy books, period
3   As an erotica publisher, AZ's fundamental antipathy toward exposing erotic books in an effective promotional way means we cannot rely on Amazon in general
4   We will be relying on a loyal readership base, so the AZ prohibition on obtaining reader email addresses was and is a killer in our case.

Some "Wide" Promotional Considerations:

Agree on using BookBub, but that's of no use to  erotica publishers.

Facebook ads are the obvious course for us. Meaning we need a catalog of six titles and two boxed sets to start. We can then build our mailing list faster, as well as sell the two boxed sets directly or Amazon through other distributors.

Since we have six more "parallel arc" titles coming in 2018, going wide is mandatory, giving us full control over distribution, marketing and promotion, coupled with a rapid build campaign for our unabashedly adult newsletter.


FWIW, here's our revised "Wide" strategy:

With D2D's disappearance, I'm seriously looking at the fine print for the rapidly expanding StreetLib distribution site.
[ https://www.streetlib.com/home ]

In addition to supporting erotica, they can apparently get new books into GooglePlay, along with Kobo, B&N, a host of other stores, and Apple (but Apple may well refuse our titles on content grounds.)

One of our three main target audiences is smart 18-30ish females, so the ability to run a Facebook to GooglePlay selling promo is a high value option. I'll suggest this kind of targeting would work well in YA, New Adult, and Romance, as well.

A major goal ultimately was to sell from our own author site, and StreetLib makes this possible Day One. With the unreliability of AZ and the loss of D2D, this channel is now a priority for our re-launch.

Side note FYI: I researched several other web-site book selling support platforms, but their T&Cs block "adult" material.


YMMV. Best wishes for your success as you migrate from AZ exclusivity.


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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2017, 04:37:11 AM »


With D2D's disappearance, I'm seriously looking at the fine print for the rapidly expanding StreetLib distribution site.
[ https://www.streetlib.com/home ]

In addition to supporting erotica, they can apparently get new books into GooglePlay, along with Kobo, B&N, a host of other stores, and Apple (but Apple may well refuse our titles on content grounds.)

Hi there!

I'd be happy to clarify things for you about StreetLib if needed (I'm their international communication manager). We do comply with every store's content policy so, depending on the kind of erotica, we won't be able to distribute it on some stores (it's all detailed on our Distribution agreement on the "Book Content" part https://www.streetlib.com/da_v1/#publication-and-distribution)

You'll indeed be able to sell directly from your website quite easily :)

Just tell me if you need any help (you can also email me directly at acdefombelle@streetlib.com

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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2017, 12:23:38 PM »
Thx AC, will be in touch with you soon.

Clarification re erotica and Amazon:

Amazon has readily accepted our previous erotic comedy titles. We followed their cover rules and were extremely careful with the metadata, so no dungeonizing.

But, while they may accept our stuff, they do not promote it. We know there is an audience around the world for literate sexually provocative novellas and novels, so we need to be wide to reach it, and with a distribution partner that can sell and service in all our target markets. 

I also should have mentioned that authors with wide (non-KDP exclusive) titles can promote their erotica books via Amazon Mktg Services. This adds another potentially effective promotional tool for the wide publishers.

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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2017, 05:47:54 AM »
*Sigh*

When KDP price matched my new permafree, they left out UK.

I sent them another message, and they just responded to me showing they set someone else's book to free. Mine is still priced.

*even bigger sigh*

No wonder so many strange things happen on Amazon.

The moral is, wait until Amazon get it all right before you schedule a promo. I hate to think how many downloads I didn't get over this.  :(

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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2017, 08:20:01 AM »
Here is a guide I wrote up about how to go wide!

Click Me!

Hopefully it helps and if you have any questions you can contact me directly!

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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2017, 06:43:38 PM »
Interesting. I finally tried ENT. Good Amazon result, but absolutely pathetic wide response. Not the result I was looking for.

Which promo sites are best for wide results?

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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2017, 11:59:47 PM »
Hi,

I'm Zsofia from PublishDrive (a platform that believes that Amazon is great but there are other fishes in the see to catch  ;)). Although we do work with Amazon, we find that our authors get (in average) 55% from their sales from elsewhere: GooglePlay, iBookStore and smaller stores and libraries. If you are thinking about going wide, my first advice is to look for an aggregator that reaches markets Amazon doesn't really (like Asia): and if you make any sales there, you can target your marketing accordingly.

I've published a guide on Joanna Penn's blog with beginner's tips for reaching international markets: https://www.thecreativepenn.com/2017/08/10/self-publishing-outside-home-country/
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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2017, 03:31:16 AM »
Hi,

I'm Zsofia from PublishDrive (a platform that believes that Amazon is great but there are other fishes in the see to catch  ;)). Although we do work with Amazon, we find that our authors get (in average) 55% from their sales from elsewhere: GooglePlay, iBookStore and smaller stores and libraries. If you are thinking about going wide, my first advice is to look for an aggregator that reaches markets Amazon doesn't really (like Asia): and if you make any sales there, you can target your marketing accordingly.

I've published a guide on Joanna Penn's blog with beginner's tips for reaching international markets: https://www.thecreativepenn.com/2017/08/10/self-publishing-outside-home-country/

Where are you authors selling big in Asia and through what platforms?
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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2017, 04:49:10 AM »
Where are you authors selling big in Asia and through what platforms?

Thanks for the question! Not surprisingly, India is the biggest player in the Asian market and there are a lot of sales coming from Japan and Vietnam. We have only recently opened up towards the Chinese market, so that numbers are not that strong yet, but there is an upward tendency. Quite understandably I can't give out retailer data in this forum  ;), but if you sign up you can see your top stores and countries ranked.
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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2017, 06:14:18 AM »
Not surprisingly, India is the biggest player in the Asian market

WTF?

You need to prove that assertion.

The Indian market is still mostly hard book based. People haven't yet adjusted to reading eBooks. Its a great potential market, but it isn't there yet.

The other problem with India is the price differential. You only have to look at the pathetic KU payout from India to see its not a money earner yet.

My experience of Indian hardware was its a good 5 years behind everyone else. So its still a few years there before readers become common.

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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2017, 06:17:08 AM »
ZsofiaMacho - maybe you can confirm that you are talking about English language books

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« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2017, 07:26:32 AM »
WTF?

You need to prove that assertion.

The Indian market is still mostly hard book based. People haven't yet adjusted to reading eBooks. Its a great potential market, but it isn't there yet.

Hi, thank you for your comment :) I'm here on behalf of PublishDrive (a publishing service) and I was asked to give information about the most popular Asian countries our authors and publishers sell in. I'm not in the position to have a clear insight about the Indian book market in  general, but what we see in the sales numbers can easily be the effect of "large numbers". (More people = more readers.) Let me recommend this great article from the Digital Book World: http://www.digitalbookworld.com/2016/the-new-era-of-ebooks-in-india/
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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2017, 07:27:50 AM »
ZsofiaMacho - maybe you can confirm that you are talking about English language books

Thanks for spotting that! I am.
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« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2017, 07:33:08 AM »
Hi, thank you for your comment :) I'm here on behalf of PublishDrive (a publishing service) and I was asked to give information about the most popular Asian countries our authors and publishers sell in. I'm not in the position to have a clear insight about the Indian book market in  general, but what we see in the sales numbers can easily be the effect of "large numbers". (More people = more readers.) Let me recommend this great article from the Digital Book World: http://www.digitalbookworld.com/2016/the-new-era-of-ebooks-in-india/

I dont call that a credible source. It confirms there is potential, but no actual. And in India, a survey of 2000 people is a joke.

If you are  "not in the position to have a clear insight about the Indian book market in general", why are you hyping up something you know nothing about?

This is nothing to do with the process of going wide, just sidetracking the thread.

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« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2017, 07:45:28 AM »
I dont call that a credible source. It confirms there is potential, but no actual. And in India, a survey of 2000 people is a joke.

If you are  "not in the position to have a clear insight about the Indian book market in general", why are you hyping up something you know nothing about?

This is nothing to do with the process of going wide, just sidetracking the thread.

Sorry for this, I didn't mean to sidetrack the thread, was just simply answering somebody who asked me a question regarding our data  :( To clarify: what I said about the three most popular Asian market is based on our sales data, not on a thorough market research. (But I would be really interested in reading one! Maybe open a new topic about this?)
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Re: Is there a guide for going Wide?
« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2017, 07:36:12 PM »
I don't know if anyone has mentioned how good these 4 smaller sales channels are:
24 Symbols
Inktera
Oyster
Tolino

Any pluses or minuses for having or not having them (and the risk of exposing them to piracy)? How do they rank after Apple, BN, Kobo, Scribd, and Google Play (which I understand are in approximate order of total sales share after Amazon)?

I once test-purchased my own book on one of those not-well-known channels on Smashwords, and never got the royalty for it--even though I forwarded my receipt to Smashwords. Because the sales channel ate it all up. :)

I have occasionally made some money on Smashwords' Library channel.




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« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2017, 09:41:18 PM »
Okay, I did find a separate thread on these 4 channels, though it's a short thread:

http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,251321.msg3498558.html#msg3498558

What I get from it is:
Scribd and Tolino, yes.
24Symbols and Inktera, not worth it.

And anyone know about D2D's Playster and Library Distribution services?
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« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2017, 08:31:56 AM »
I don't know if anyone has mentioned how good these 4 smaller sales channels are:
24 Symbols
Inktera
Oyster
Tolino
Oyster has sunset its services and is no longer with us. RIP Oyster. The developers from Oyster got bought out by Google Play (Forbes article about that here). I had serious hopes that meant Google would re-open the doors to getting an account over there, but so far it's nada and Oyster closed down 2 years ago, IIRC.