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Easy Print Book Formatting
« on: April 19, 2016, 08:14:57 PM »
Is there anything like Vellum but for print books? I'm tired of hand formatting books.  :-[

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2016, 02:35:02 AM »
I really hope there's an answer to this so I'm posting to boost visibility ;-)

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2016, 02:41:49 AM »
I use and love InDesign, but it's not cheap.

There's also the usual learning curve, but the inside of my paperbacks look great.

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2016, 02:44:14 AM »
The only ones I've found are online services. Reedsy and http://pressbooks.com respectively. I tried reedsy and it's coming along but not there yet. Press books looks interesting but quite expensive.


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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2016, 04:00:25 AM »
You can try http://bookow.com/services.php. I design my own books using InDesign, so I've never used the design services on that website, but he also provides a lot of free resources (CreateSpace cover templates, bar code generator, etc.) that I have found useful.
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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2016, 05:38:02 AM »
I used InDesign for quite a while, but gave it up for two reasons:
1. It's much more complicated than you need for a simple novel. It used to drive me crazy.
2. It's ridiculously expensive. You have to pay every month, whether you use it or not.

I switched to Word for my print books. I use a formatted template from CreateSpace, add drop caps, and adjust the kerning where necessary. It's actually pretty easy. You can change the fonts as you see fit. My books aren't fancy, but they look fine. There's a learning curve with Word, of course, but at least if you already have it installed on your computer there's no additional cost.

Every once in a while I go to the official Vellum thread here and beg them to put out a print version, but so far no luck.  ;)



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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2016, 05:57:19 AM »
Polgarus is fantastic for any kind of formatting. They are Hugh Howey's formatter of choice for a reason!

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2016, 09:50:54 AM »
I'm thinking more of a program (ka-ching for anyone who makes it, by the sound of it!) that works like vellum. I mean, basically, vellum with a gutter feature and page size feature, since that already does export to PDF. Someone's gonna be rich. Until then, I'll keep formatting myself, I guess. i have some pretty templates I can use in word, it's just a PITA copy-pasting each chapter in.

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2016, 09:58:20 AM »
We'd love to help! www.ebooklaunch.com/print-on-demand

I'm sure your service is fabulous (and I LOVE your covers), but as a general rule I like to see some sort of price, even if it's just a range, before committing to an email exchange and filling in forms, and so on.

I also go by the principle that "if you have to ask..."  ;)
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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2016, 12:02:18 PM »
We'd love to help! www.ebooklaunch.com/print-on-demand

It's one of those things that I rather just take the time to do it myself (as I do a good job) and just wish there was a tool/program such as Vellum but for print that would do it faster. If you ever make such a program, I'll get right in line to buy it :)

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2016, 01:19:20 PM »
I mean, basically, vellum with a gutter feature and page size feature, since that already does export to PDF.

Vellum does not export to PDF. It exports to RTF.

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2016, 01:51:43 PM »
Vellum does not export to PDF. It exports to RTF.

HMMM.. IDK why I thought it exported to PDF... Well, then, something like Vellum with a gutter feature/page size option, and that exports to PDF :)

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2016, 02:07:47 PM »
I use Jutoh. Not too expensive and pretty easy to use.

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2016, 02:27:20 PM »
I use Jutoh. Not too expensive and pretty easy to use.

Jutoh does print? :) If so, do they offer options for making the interior "pretty" - I spend a lot of time currently using images and setting drop caps when I want to use them, etc.

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2016, 02:30:35 PM »
I really can't suggest anything but InDesign, but that's where I live 90% of my life, so I'm probably blinded to other options.


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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2016, 06:35:05 PM »
This program has pretty much made print formatting an easy task within word. Worth checking out. Great for basic books.
http://bookdesignwizard.com/

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2016, 06:48:09 PM »
I don't like Word, but it should work OK for a basic print book. InDesign has a bit of a learning curve but I think it's a lot easier to use than Word once you have a basic competence. My biggest problem frankly isn't the tools but the actual "design" part in terms of how the book interior should actually look.  I know how to use the tools, but what I need to know is what I want, if you know what I mean.

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2016, 03:54:22 AM »
Try Reedsy: https://reedsy.com/write-a-book, I think it's really what you're looking for. It's DIY, online, free, and really requires no tech knowledge.

We released it a month ago, so as mentioned earlier in this thread, it wasn't quite "there" yet. Now it's much more advanced, though the customization possibilities are obviously not endless. Anyhow, we've had a good 500 books successfully created that way since launching it, so seems to be getting there. :D

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2016, 05:34:06 AM »
This program has pretty much made print formatting an easy task within word. Worth checking out. Great for basic books.
http://bookdesignwizard.com/

I would love that. Sadly, it doesn't work on a Mac.

Try Reedsy: https://reedsy.com/write-a-book, I think it's really what you're looking for. It's DIY, online, free, and really requires no tech knowledge.

We released it a month ago, so as mentioned earlier in this thread, it wasn't quite "there" yet. Now it's much more advanced, though the customization possibilities are obviously not endless. Anyhow, we've had a good 500 books successfully created that way since launching it, so seems to be getting there. :D

Hi Ricardo, that looks great but the print option is very basic. Are there any other options, like maybe drop caps? Can you change the font? Is it possible to adjust kerning? (Or is there some other way to control widows and orphans?)


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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2016, 05:45:55 AM »
This program has pretty much made print formatting an easy task within word. Worth checking out. Great for basic books.
http://bookdesignwizard.com/



Thank you for this. I've bookmarked the thread for the next time I have to format a paperback interior.

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2016, 07:00:55 AM »
I switched to Word for my print books. I use a formatted template from CreateSpace, add drop caps, and adjust the kerning where necessary. It's actually pretty easy. You can change the fonts as you see fit. My books aren't fancy, but they look fine. There's a learning curve with Word, of course, but at least if you already have it installed on your computer there's no additional cost.

^^ This. I was surprised how easy it was to pop my manuscript into CreateSpace's template. I didn't do anything fancy, just adjusted line-breaks and a little kerning magic. (See my thread 'Ain't No Party Like a Kerning Party' - but only if you're not afraid to get down.)

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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2016, 11:54:12 AM »
I'm sure your service is fabulous (and I LOVE your covers), but as a general rule I like to see some sort of price, even if it's just a range, before committing to an email exchange and filling in forms, and so on.

I also go by the principle that "if you have to ask..."  ;)



No worries! Here's a way around that: You can fill out the form and it is a "live" form (i.e. the price at the bottom of the form changes depending on what you have selected). So you don't have to send us anything if you want a price: http://ebooklaunch.com/print-on-demand-order-form/

However, it is necessary to have a form because the types of books that need formatting varies drastically. If we had fixed prices on our website, they would be inaccurate or would over/undercharge people for the service that they require that is specific to their book.

If you want me to give you a number, it will probably be somewhere around $100. You'll have to decide for yourself whether the time spent learning/doing the formatting yourself is worth it - everyone's different! :)




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Re: Easy Print Book Formatting
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2016, 02:57:00 PM »


No worries! Here's a way around that: You can fill out the form and it is a "live" form (i.e. the price at the bottom of the form changes depending on what you have selected). So you don't have to send us anything if you want a price: http://ebooklaunch.com/print-on-demand-order-form/

However, it is necessary to have a form because the types of books that need formatting varies drastically. If we had fixed prices on our website, they would be inaccurate or would over/undercharge people for the service that they require that is specific to their book.

If you want me to give you a number, it will probably be somewhere around $100. You'll have to decide for yourself whether the time spent learning/doing the formatting yourself is worth it - everyone's different! :)

Thanks for the reply! I'll give that a try for my next paperback. I thought I had to email the form to you to get a price.


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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2016, 09:00:17 AM »
I would love that. Sadly, it doesn't work on a Mac.

Hi Ricardo, that looks great but the print option is very basic. Are there any other options, like maybe drop caps? Can you change the font? Is it possible to adjust kerning? (Or is there some other way to control widows and orphans?)

Hi Rickie, we automatically take care of widows and orphans during the typesetting stage (export to PDF). That's why it takes a few seconds to get that PDF, it's really not straightforward to prepare and there's strong typesetting technology behind it.

For drop caps, we want to add an option at a later stage yes. And we'll add more templates in the future so you have a wider choice of fonts. But we won't let every author set their own font, no.