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Re: Vellum for Print gets a release date!
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2017, 12:42:10 PM »
That's what I'd like to see. Can Vellum print do dropcaps on first paragraphs in chapters and graphical chapter headings and scene breaks?

Yes to drop caps and ornamental scene breaks. The chapter headings on offer so far are fairly restricted. But I only have the beta version, so that may change.
I don't know if you can include illustrations.

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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2017, 12:47:54 PM »
Yeah. I think Brad said they plan on introducing more features in the near future. I think for two dudes developing their own software, Vellum is quite exceptional at what it does, and does it right the first time. It's also bug free (in my experience).

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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2017, 12:50:31 PM »
YASSSS!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2017, 12:56:49 PM »
It's also bug free (in my experience).

Not sure you'd call it a bug, but...

I just started using Vellum in April so should've had the most recent version, but found that drop caps looked horrible for me on some devices and ended up stripping them out of all of my ebooks.  Of course, most authors probably don't have a character whose name starts with a K and is used to start 60% of their chapters so don't see the issue with script drop caps where it adds a line break on the third line for certain letters but not all of them.

Having said that, I still like the product and since I can upgrade for $50 will buy it and play around with it.  But I wonder if I'll have the level of control I want in print.  Does anyone know how it handles widows/orphans or paragraphs that end with very short words?  Does it adjust those or allow you to manually do so?  I found the ebook version was constrained in what I wanted to do a few times.
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2017, 01:13:24 PM »
I will be buying it.

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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2017, 01:17:39 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2017, 01:27:46 PM »
Yeah, I got the unlimited license for Christmas. Now I'm not too thrilled that I'll have to pay $99 to upgrade for print--not when the whole shebang from scratch is only $249.

Yeah. I also have the unlimited license and am kind of bummed that the upgrade ends up costing us more than those just purchasing the program.

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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2017, 01:51:12 PM »
Yeah. I also have the unlimited license and am kind of bummed that the upgrade ends up costing us more than those just purchasing the program.
People just purchasing have to spend $249.

You get to spend $99 for a program to format print books from the same files you use for your ebooks! I am blown away by how cheap this upgrade is.
I would have paid the full $249 again just to add this functionality!

Sure, you could have waited until now to buy, then you would be coming out $50 ahead. But if you are already a Vellum user, it means you have had the use of Vellum for your ebooks for all this time. I know I've gotten more than $50 worth out of it!

I could see being a little upset if you JUST bought Vellum within the last month and thought you had to spend extra. But for anyone who has purchased after April 1st, they will let you upgrade for only $50.




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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2017, 01:57:34 PM »
Not sure you'd call it a bug, but...

I just started using Vellum in April so should've had the most recent version, but found that drop caps looked horrible for me on some devices and ended up stripping them out of all of my ebooks.  Of course, most authors probably don't have a character whose name starts with a K and is used to start 60% of their chapters so don't see the issue with script drop caps where it adds a line break on the third line for certain letters but not all of them.

Having said that, I still like the product and since I can upgrade for $50 will buy it and play around with it.  But I wonder if I'll have the level of control I want in print.  Does anyone know how it handles widows/orphans or paragraphs that end with very short words?  Does it adjust those or allow you to manually do so?  I found the ebook version was constrained in what I wanted to do a few times.

Check the official Vellum thread. What you describe sounds like deprecation of what's possible the further you go back in the kindle line. Having said that, the Kindle Previewer on Amazon's end is a bit funky. I've found the Previewer for Windows and macOS to be super accurate. You'll want to install both versions to cover the span of Kindles.

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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2017, 02:01:08 PM »
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Re: Vellum for Print gets a release date!
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2017, 02:05:55 PM »
Yes to drop caps and ornamental scene breaks. The chapter headings on offer so far are fairly restricted. But I only have the beta version, so that may change.
I don't know if you can include illustrations.

Appreciate the response, Rickie! Thank you.

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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2017, 02:21:23 PM »
After fighting with Word and reading horror stories about trying to get files through CreateSpace's system, I was JUST about to give up hope on Vellum for print coming out in time to save me, and pay my cover designer to format my print interior for me, too. I am SO relieved I won't have go to that expense now! Even though I just purchased a 10-ebook license a few months ago and have only used one book so far, I'm happy to pay for the new version. It'll have paid for itself in saved formatting costs by the second book, plus I can make sure the whole series matches.

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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2017, 02:26:40 PM »
I am really happy to see this. My first thought was: I will buy this. Than I started to think: Which languages will Vellum Press support? I would need german hyphenations (or syllabification - not sure which is the right word :-) ). Anything known about support for other languages?


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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2017, 02:32:01 PM »
What you describe sounds like deprecation of what's possible the further you go back in the kindle line.

Good to know.  Thanks.  I saw the issue when I read the books on a few years old Samsung Galaxy Tab and also when I read it on my laptop with some version of Adobe Reader.  It looked fine in the Kindle Previewer.

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I was able to get one for about $250 on newegg.com.  It's too small to be my full-time laptop but since I only bought it to use with Vellum, it works great.
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Re: Vellum for Print gets a release date!
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2017, 02:44:49 PM »
People just purchasing have to spend $249.

You get to spend $99 for a program to format print books from the same files you use for your ebooks! I am blown away by how cheap this upgrade is.
I would have paid the full $249 again just to add this functionality!

Sure, you could have waited until now to buy, then you would be coming out $50 ahead. But if you are already a Vellum user, it means you have had the use of Vellum for your ebooks for all this time. I know I've gotten more than $50 worth out of it!

I could see being a little upset if you JUST bought Vellum within the last month and thought you had to spend extra. But for anyone who has purchased after April 1st, they will let you upgrade for only $50.




Agreed. And kudos to the Brads for not switching to the monthly/yearly subscription model. So many software publishers are moving to this and it drives me nutty.

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« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2017, 02:48:46 PM »
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Re: Vellum for Print gets a release date!
« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2017, 02:51:39 PM »
Does anyone know how it handles widows/orphans or paragraphs that end with very short words?  Does it adjust those or allow you to manually do so?  I found the ebook version was constrained in what I wanted to do a few times.

I have a real aversion to widows/orphans. I used to spend hours in InDesign kerning the text to take them out. Vellum Print automatically adjusts the layout to avoid widows by moving a line from the previous page. Then it balances the spread so that those two pages end at the same position.

I was very dubious about this feature until I saw it in action. Occasionally, it's not possible depending on your text, but most of the time... it just works.

Vellum also adjusts for what they called "runts". It also adjusts your layout so that the last page of a chapter won't end in fewer than five lines.

Agreed. And kudos to the Brads for not switching to the monthly/yearly subscription model. So many software publishers are moving to this and it drives me nutty.

This was the main reason I gave up on InDesign--it now costs $30 a month (or $20 a month if you pay for a year in advance).
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Re: Vellum for Print gets a release date!
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2017, 03:02:09 PM »
As to price, on the one hand if this would produce a nice print book easily, the upgrade price would be more than worth it, but I also understand those who are unhappy that they'll end up paying more than the complete program will cost newcomers. I got the unlimited license last time it was on sale for $150. Paying the $99 for the upgrade takes all the bargain out of that. Still worth it, if....

The big question is can we download a trial version of the program and see for ourselves as to the print module's capabilities before deciding to buy the same way we could download a trial of the ebook only version.

I just started using Vellum in April so should've had the most recent version, but found that drop caps looked horrible for me on some devices and ended up stripping them out of all of my ebooks.

Cassie - It's not just on older devices that the drop caps can look ugly. If the reader doesn't use the Publisher's Font, they also revert from what you think you're putting in to something big, blocky, ugly and sometimes not fitting neatly with the regular text. For that reason, I don't use them either. The Small Caps don't render under some circumstances either, but at least when they don't, they appear as regular text. I used to achieve Small Caps that render on anything by using <big> and <small> html commands but decided that was a nicety I was willing to abandon in return for the time-saving ease.

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Re: Vellum for Print gets a release date!
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2017, 03:24:12 PM »



I'd like to add myself to the chorus clamoring to send money for V 2.0


I have never had software before that was so clear and simple in operation, so intuitive, and backed by a company that really takes customer service to heart. And that extends to the superb documentation and explainers on their website.


Now I have some questions based on an assumption if I may.


Am I correct in that once I have my epub/mobi file formatted I can just ingest that file directly into Vellum's print version section and kick out a file that will work directly in CreateSpace? Would it include the spine and backcover stuff, assuming I have the graphics for those?


Does this mean that I will not have to import my raw copy into Word, apply styles etc, and then export as PDF --that I can free myself of Word altogether?

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« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2017, 03:30:45 PM »
Just did some searching on ebay for cheap macs. Never used a mac before and don't particularly want to. Except for this. Decisions, decisions...

As long as whatever you buy is running Sierra or El Captain, you should be fine. So pick up any old brick from a reputable retailer. I wouldn't buy from Ebay. NewEgg or MacofAll Trades are probably a better bet.

My brick is a 2009 and it chugs right along. This link is the Macbook, but I have it's almost-identical mid-2009 Pro cousin, and it runs Vellum/Scrivener just fine:

http://www.macofalltrades.com/MacBook-13-inch-2-26GHz-C2D-Late-2009-p/mb-13-226-l09u.htm

The $29 upgrade to 4GB is a must-buy. I'd hesitate to buy any additional upgrades at that price point and if it's just going to be used to run Vellum.

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« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2017, 04:26:48 PM »
Gnashing my teeth because I purchased Vellum on March 25 2017, so I just missed out on getting the discount. Debating if I should contact them or not. So close, but no cigar. Dang.  :-X 

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« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2017, 06:27:36 PM »
Woot! Woot! Great news!

I can't wait to upgrade!


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« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2017, 08:15:10 PM »
Just did some searching on ebay for cheap macs. Never used a mac before and don't particularly want to. Except for this. Decisions, decisions...
You know, if I were you, I'd buy through Apple's refurbished site. That way you can add on 2-3 years of Apple Care. Plus, a refurbished unit is theoretically more sound than a general used computer or even a new one.

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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2017, 08:35:05 PM »
You know, if I were you, I'd buy through Apple's refurbished site. That way you can add on 2-3 years of Apple Care. Plus, a refurbished unit is theoretically more sound than a general used computer or even a new one.

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« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2017, 09:34:47 PM »
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