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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2017, 10:30:55 AM »
Mhm, it's annoying how people get up in arms when you say their writing isn't story-related.

We can agree on our assumption of what Amazon sees it as.
It just always baffled me that sex within a romantic setting is considered so much worse than murder written to excite readers.

I don't think anyone has a problem with sex within a romantic setting. What was being discussed is incest, rape, etc., and I don't think most people are cool with that. I wouldn't read it, but personally I don't think it should be banned (although it would be nice if it could all be contained in the right categories). That's up to Amazon what they want to sell on their site though. Other books they've banned I think were a good call like Holocaust denial, racist theories parading as science and that kind of crap.

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2017, 10:40:15 AM »
I agree that, as a retailer, Amazon can sell or not sell whatever they like, but the day they start refusing to sell books on insects is the day I start rallying entomologists to mail Jeff Bezos live termites in wooden crates directly to his house while he's on vacation as a form of protest.

I often argue with people about sexism in video games. People will argue that a company pulling or changing a game because of criticism is censorship. But it isn't. Censorship is the government stopping something from being published. If I didn't argue that Amazon is well within their right to pull this book, I'd be a hypocrite.

I don't read or write dark romance, so I don't have a dog in the race. Getting blocked is always a risk when you write something taboo and the vast majority of indie authors know that. I don't agree with Amazon's policies (I don't know the laws. I do believe pornographic insect is illegal, but don't quote me on that), but no matter what they ban on their site, it's not censorship.

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2017, 11:10:39 AM »
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I do believe pornographic insect is illegal

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2017, 11:14:28 AM »
It all depends on whether it's "literature" or not. I refer you to V.C. Andrews' "Flowers in the Attic". If I wrote that and tried to publish it, Zon would probably ban me for life.


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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2017, 12:08:27 PM »
There are a lot of "dark romances" and "dark erotica" right there on Amazon for sale which feature just about everything, including incest, rape, underage sex right down to toddlers, nazis who torture and rape gay boys, underage rent boys, vorarephilia, sex with stab wounds, and whatever else kicks people. Some of these books are bestsellers even, take Tiffany Reisz who specialises in breaking just about every taboo in her books, or Jane Harvey-Berrick.

Some books get reported, some get banned, a lot stay on Amazon and get sold.

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2017, 12:21:01 PM »
It all depends on whether it's "literature" or not. I refer you to V.C. Andrews' "Flowers in the Attic". If I wrote that and tried to publish it, Zon would probably ban me for life.

Oh, man, you are right on there! Also, one of the few movies that I have ever walked out on. I didn't last 10 minutes.

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2017, 12:21:37 PM »
If it involved an underage girl, no mystery why it was removed.

V.C. Andrews' Flower in the Attic series is still a bestseller and not banned because it's underage sex between a brother and sister in the context of a suspense/horror novel. If it had been a romance novel, people would have been horrified. If you're writing outside romance and erotica, you can write pretty much anything.

I'm not stating approval or disapproval, just the way it is.
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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2017, 12:33:31 PM »
underage sex right down to toddlers

Seriously? In romance/erotica?!

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2017, 12:36:39 PM »
I refer you to V.C. Andrews' "Flowers in the Attic". If I wrote that and tried to publish it, Zon would probably ban me for life.

That's what I've been thinking, too. There are plenty of books out there like that : see list

There are a lot of "dark romances" and "dark erotica" right there on Amazon for sale which feature just about everything, including incest, rape, underage sex right down to toddlers, nazis who torture and rape gay boys, underage rent boys, vorarephilia, sex with stab wounds, and whatever else kicks people. Some of these books are bestsellers even, take Tiffany Reisz who specialises in breaking just about every taboo in her books, or Jane Harvey-Berrick.

Some books get reported, some get banned, a lot stay on Amazon and get sold.

Yes. ^^

If it involved an underage girl, no mystery why it was removed.

V.C. Andrews' Flower in the Attic series is still a bestseller and not banned because it's underage sex between a brother and sister in the context of a suspense/horror novel. If it had been a romance novel, people would have been horrified. If you're writing outside romance and erotica, you can write pretty much anything.

I'm not stating approval or disapproval, just the way it is.
^^ Yes, same here. I don't know if I think books should be banned or not. It's just curious to me that these extreme graphic subjects can exist in many books (even Pulitzer Prize and other award-winning books) without much uproar.

And Amazon certainly has the right to refuse to sell anything that breaks their TOS, just like the rest of the vendors, of course.
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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2017, 12:51:59 PM »
Please tell me you don't have a "crush" fetish. I knew a girl who kept finding her boyfriend watching clips of sexy women stomp on insects. I'd never heard of it before, but apparently it's quite a thing...

The things I learn about in the Writer's Cafe. Definitely hadn't heard of that one before. :D

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« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2017, 01:09:31 PM »
My newsfeed is full of controversy about the latest book banned by Amazon. Erotica/Taboo subject
(Daddy/Daughter)= banned. This particular book is just one out of thousands of the same subject matter listed on Amazon, which is literally stuffed out the wazoo with the same topic books.

Why did this one get the ban hammer while thousands like it are left up? Why has this particular book caused such an uproar in the community? Curious to hear discussion and thoughts. (Let's keep it civil, though, please!)

I googled this and can't find anything. Did it just come out in the news?

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« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2017, 01:21:12 PM »
There's a difference between a genre where a rape, for example, occurs, but is not described in excruciating detail for the express purpose of getting someone sexually aroused and um, satisfied. This is the line Amazon is trying not to cross, and I think rightly so. If there are books in romance or erotica, and they are written just to get someone off, then report them. They are violating the admittedly vague guidelines Amazon has for this stuff.
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« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2017, 01:35:02 PM »
It happens from time to time. I can think of one very famous indie who made an entire career out of skirting "dubious consent" in her stories. This is why Amazon suppresses the hell out of erotica. They just mostly do so quietly. Which includes shoving books into the dungeon. Or nixing an erotic books alsobots. There are people who want to read the really kinky stuff and if a particularly taboo bit of erotica sneaks past the censors, they will gobble it up like mad. Trust me Amazon is regularly keeping tabs on erotica that crosses the line. If they didn't the store's top 100 would be flooded with erotica. Its why there isn't an erotica category for top 100 short reads. Monitoring erotica is probably the one thing Amazon is 100% on top of!
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« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2017, 01:45:58 PM »
I can think of one very famous indie who made an entire career out of skirting "dubious consent" in her stories.
The term "bodice-ripper" didn't materialize out of thin air. Thirty years ago, dubcon was ubiquitous, especially in historical romance. Could Lolita be published today? Times change.

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« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2017, 01:56:31 PM »
If you want to read a book presented as romance in which the hero repeatedly rapes and abuses his wife before beginning to rape and abuse his daughter at age 10 or 11, and ultimately rapes her while she is in labor with his child at age 16 to "show her she's his"--perhaps the author will begin selling it from her website, unless she's found in violation of her state's obscenity statutes. You can go find it there if that sounds amazing and romantic to you.

Anybody can write anything they want. Nobody's obligated to publish it. The corner store doesn't have to sell Hustler, and Amazon doesn't have to sell this. The author made a choice to publish something she had to know was far across the line. Now she's weeping about how she's not a monster and everybody's being so meeeeaaan. But you know--there are a lot of real victims out there, girls and women who were molested by their father or stepfather, a man who told them it was romantic and they had a special love. These are the twisted words and rationales of the abuser, and they hurt.

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2017, 02:06:12 PM »
Wait . . . Is insect porn a real thing?  Because, um, ew.  I can't even.  No.  Just no.  Wut?

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2017, 02:14:33 PM »
Ok, since everyone is just hinting at something and I can't find anyone actually naming that author, can someone please pm me the name so I can put it on my list of authors to never read? Would appreciate. I don't always double check every book someone puts out.

I do suggest to those not having done so, do not try to google this with the little info posted here. I do not recommend it.  :o :o

I guess all the naming must happen on facebook where I don't go. On twitter its all just "I know something you don't".  :-\

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2017, 02:14:43 PM »
If you want to read a book presented as romance in which the hero repeatedly rapes and abuses his wife before beginning to rape and abuse his daughter at age 10 or 11, and ultimately rapes her while she is in labor with his child at age 16 to "show her she's his"--perhaps the author will begin selling it from her website, unless she's found in violation of her state's obscenity statutes. You can go find it there if that sounds amazing and romantic to you.

Anybody can write anything they want. Nobody's obligated to publish it. The corner store doesn't have to sell Hustler, and Amazon doesn't have to sell this. The author made a choice to publish something she had to know was far across the line. Now she's weeping about how she's not a monster and everybody's being so meeeeaaan. But you know--there are a lot of real victims out there, girls and women who were molested by their father or stepfather, a man who told them it was romantic and they had a special love. These are the twisted words and rationales of the abuser, and they hurt.


All of this. I am so relieved to see someone else type this out. I saw 95 percent of the authors in my genre praising the author that wrote this book and I was straight up horrified. I felt like I must be insane... like I had missed something or that the entire community had missed something.

Sadly, I think some authors will compromise what's right in order to "get in good" with the right people. I think that's what disappointed me the most.

The book blatantly went against Amazon TOS. The uproar was ridiculous. Amazon can sell what it wants.

I used to think I was pretty open-minded to what can be published. I have never thought any book should be banned. I don't shame readers for reading what they read. I write some pretty steamy books myself that skirt the line of taboo.

This book is a whole other level. For personal reasons, it made me ill. Now, I understand I don't get to decide what is okay for others to read. But nothing has ever made me feel this way. Selfishly, I am glad it was banned and wish it had never been written. A lot of the reviews on Goodreads sound like something straight out of an abuser's diary. "She's underage but wise beyond her years. Their love was so intense. Destined."

I just.. I can't.



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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2017, 02:21:59 PM »
... I typically capture rather than kill insects and their cousins (spiders, centipedes, etc.) and release them outside.

This is what I do, too.  Unless it's a "me or him" situation, in which it's always me.  But I wonder if I'm part Buddhist that way.   ;)

(BTW, all this bug-crush talk is due to a transposing of letters in the word incest.  Just in case anyone wonders about the origin of Dan's joke about entomologists.   8) )
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« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2017, 02:22:32 PM »
Please tell me you don't have a "crush" fetish. I knew a girl who kept finding her boyfriend watching clips of sexy women stomp on insects. I'd never heard of it before, but apparently it's quite a thing...


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« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2017, 02:23:51 PM »
Thank you poster for the pm and thanks usedtoposthere.

Prolific author and seen plenty of that authors book on my feeds and such. So glad to know that I can steer clear. Looks like author loves all this attention with big smiley faces.

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Re: So...about the banned book thing
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2017, 02:25:45 PM »
Let's not name the book in question, despite the extreme content.





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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2017, 02:35:35 PM »
Thank you poster for the pm and thanks usedtoposthere.

Prolific author and seen plenty of that authors book on my feeds and such. So glad to know that I can steer clear. Looks like author loves all this attention with big smiley faces.

Can someone please pm it to me? Thanks.

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« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2017, 02:39:58 PM »
(Daddy/Daughter)= banned.

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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2017, 02:49:34 PM »
A possible defense for this kind of material is that some people do have sexual desires that would be dangerous to themselves or others if acted upon in real life. Whether these desires are innate or acquired from early experiences (or some combination of the two) I don't know, but my understanding is that they don't go away. Rather, they must be suppressed throughout the entirety of the person's life. Imagine having to go your whole life without a single truly satisfying sexual experience because having such would do profound damage to an innocent person. It would be hard to do. Maybe the chances of pulling it off are small. Can targeted porn or erotica help people in that kind of situation manage their dangerous sexual desires safely? We don't know, I think, because so few people study the issue -- the topic is too abhorrent to attract funding, even though you'd think preventing molestation would be high on everyone's list, given how common it is, and how damaging.