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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2017, 07:19:50 AM »
Type fast, write slow.

Can't write when I'm not feeling it. Someone else mentioned that they find it pointless to just sit and type 10k words' worth of nonsense, and it's the same thing for me; those forced sessions don't provide anything of value. So with a day job, I can probably do one good book a year. Without a day job, I could probably do two good books plus some 'marketable' fluff.

(Yes, there are a few tricks I can use when I'm not 'feeling it', especially music, but if they don't work and I keep trying it just makes it worse. If the correct part of my brain doesn't feel like engaging, I might as well be writing a VCR manual.)

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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2017, 08:16:40 AM »
If the correct part of my brain doesn't feel like engaging, I might as well be writing a VCR manual.)

That's one of the best ways of explaining it I've read so far  8)

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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2017, 10:14:36 AM »
I write daily. My quickness or lack thereof comes in seasons. For one season, I write fast. For another season, I write glacial. It all depends on the project and the things happening in my life. When I'm stressed or there's a lot of drama, I create slowly.
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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2017, 10:21:45 AM »
I think you're on to something here. I was planning to start a thread but I'll use yours with permission.
Type fast - think slow.
That's the problem. I could type 10K a day if I had anything to write. It's noodling out all the nuances and fitting them together in a contextually believable way that takes the time.
So when folks say: "I write XK a day," what they mean is: "I think of XK to write and actually write it down, a day."

So yes, I am an incredibly fast writer, but it takes days, sometimes weeks to think of exactly what to write.
And FYI I tried the "just write anything" philosophy, but I hate going back and changing nonsense I wrote, just to write. Every word has to count - has to make sense in the story.

And one last sidebar, I don't drink (alcohol) much at all. The other day I drank a bottle of wine in a social context and came up with a great idea that opened up the plot of one of my WIPs. So now I see why those "great writers" were half cut most of the time. But my head and liver couldn't take that on a regular basis, so back to plodding.

Flay, you sound like me, on the writing and the drinking front. I don't like the taste of alcohol, plus it doesn't get me buzzed, so it's a total nonstarter for me. You have my permission to make as much of this thread as you like. And as you can see, I haven't been back to this thread to respond in a long while...slo-oh-oh...slow.
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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2017, 10:43:02 AM »
I'm a serial procrastinator. I can write fast, but I waste hours (and hours and hours) somewhere....

Today I had someone take the children for 6 whole hours so I could work. I wrote 300 words. What a waste of 6 free hours! Where the heck did they go? I mean seriously - 300 words? I'm so irritated with myself...

Wait - I could be working right now, I have at least five minutes before I have to start kids bath time... Yeah, no.

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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2017, 11:10:28 AM »
We had a thread here months ago, but no one has posted to it in a while. I've been meaning to resurrect it. You are not alone.

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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2017, 11:15:09 AM »
My problems from "The Window Shopping "
What I found in life, if you over window shop(want to buy something)..research the heck out of it...read all the reviews you can find, look for the best deal... Well you get to the point you don't want it.
What has this have to do with slow writing?
Well as I'm writing I think, Maybe there is something out there that is better to write in... I google writing software, trying all the new stuff and once I figure out I have the best, I move to; Maybe my story would be better if I outline it, so I search...reviews..etc..,
I find out...I don't like to outline all that much but I keep trying
Or I think maybe someone out there has a better idea on how to write better, so I buy/download a bunch of books, read a chapter or two and figure out there isn't a magic "word" that will open the gates and I'll "Get it"
I do this to the point I'm sick of writing and I go play my guitar...
I finally figured out that when I write ...I write
When I study writing I do it between books
When I search for the holy grail of software....I do it before a book..
When you write...You only write.
Thats what helps me speed up  ;D
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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2017, 11:17:55 AM »
Same thing exactly re. the typing fast but thinking and writing slowly. And now I'm even slower than I used to be because I can't sit for anything but short periods due to neuropathy (can't stand/walk for long either). I also find having eleven books already published makes me slower. I can't just write my first, second or third thought in composing a sentence because those have usually been used in one of the previous books. All my books are in first person and I don't want the characters' voices to sound the same. Given this on top of my already slow tendencies I can't imagine how snail-like I'll be with another few books behind me! I might be writing myself backwards into time.

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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2017, 11:48:34 AM »
Slow. You guys are all speed demons. How about eight years to finish a novel? I did write two novelettes and two short stories in that span, but still. Very, very still.

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« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2017, 12:23:30 PM »
I first had the idea for what is now the final novel in a seven book historical series in 1980. In 2005 I wrote a first draft of that book. In 2010 I wrote a first draft of the first in the series. In 2012 I wrote the first draft of the second (now the third, since I've decided to cut the first one in half.) In 2015 I wrote the first draft of the third (now the fourth) novel. None of them are at finished yet. So that's... what? Thirty seven years? And still not done! :D

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« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2017, 12:57:31 PM »
Sadly, speed can be important if one wants to make a living at writing, especially in the current climate. However, even now, I'd say that quality is more important. I admire the people who can write fast and still produce quality. I know I'm not one of the them, and I'm at peace with that.

I started writing three years before I retired. Each year I produced one novel and one short piece. The first year I retired, I produced two novels, one novella, and three short pieces. In terms of word count, that was more than in the three preceding years. The second year of retirement, I produced one novel, one textbook (very long), one novella, and five short pieces for anthologies. This year I'm not sure I'll be as productive.

Yes, dealing with a day job is bound to restrict someone's productivity. However, it isn't the only factor. When I retired, I figured I'd work the same number of hours as I had been working. That happened occasionally the first year, not so much since then. Since I'm not depending on writing for my income, the temptation to procrastinate is strong. Also, I spent many years working very hard (10-12 hours per weekday, 4-5 hours each day on the weekend), and rest still seems oddly attractive to me.

Goal setting helps. The trick is to set realistic goals and then make sure (barring emergency) that you meet them. If you set the goals too high and don't make them, that will tend to make you unhappy and increase the likelihood you'll just throw the goals out the window.



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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2017, 03:36:18 PM »
Flay, you sound like me, on the writing and the drinking front. I don't like the taste of alcohol, plus it doesn't get me buzzed, so it's a total nonstarter for me. You have my permission to make as much of this thread as you like. And as you can see, I haven't been back to this thread to respond in a long while...slo-oh-oh...slow.
Drinking sounds like a lot of fun, but I always had more fun watching other folk get drunk.
And thanks, looks like your thread has developed legs. Slow legs.

Goal setting helps. The trick is to set realistic goals and then make sure (barring emergency) that you meet them. If you set the goals too high and don't make them, that will tend to make you unhappy and increase the likelihood you'll just throw the goals out the window.

That doesn't work. I have a pathological desire not to be told what to do, even by myself. On the plus side it made always be the guy in charge, on the negative, goals just don't work. I have to decide to do it, punishment and reward don't work.

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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2017, 04:39:16 PM »
Another slow thinker here. I type at a decent-ish rate when I can see and hear the scene in my head, but if I can't, there's no hecking way. I struggle to get 300 words an hour.
And part of my issue is that I HATE wasted words. I've written a gazillion words now across 3 books that will never be used or got the delete key because I wrote the wrong thing for the story. I'm trying to get a good grip on story structure and trying to become a plotter (nope, still a pantser). So far the only thing that increases my writing/publishing speed is that elusive movie in my head.
I usually see the opening scenes, a few key middle ones, and the end, but then I spend months and months stitching all that together in a cohesive way. Which doesn't seem like it should be that hard, except all those scenes I see don't make any sense until I write what goes on between them. Bah!
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Re: S l o w... slo-oh writer
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2017, 06:10:47 PM »
Some of you people have nine books out. And you think you are slow?

When I put my arse in the chair and actually put my hands on the keyboard, I can write. It's no problem. It's the motivation to write. Sometimes I think about doing it and I just think, Jeez that sounds like no fun at all. Then I start and I can't stop.

Motivation is my issue. I could be anything I wanted to be -- If I could be bothered.

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« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2017, 06:24:21 PM »
I love this thread because it gives me hope.

I have such a hard time sticking with anything. First I only wrote nonfiction. Then I wrote for kids. Then short stories ... now I'm on to the next thing. I need to write but nothing seems to quite fit! I keep telling myself that if I persist then I'll find my own writing space. I hope.

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« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2017, 07:06:40 PM »
I even wrote that slowly. I type fast, think slow, and plod along. I tried being fast at publishing but just can't maintain it.

Anyone else a slow writer/slow publisher here?

How many words do you write each day? Right now, I'm still not done with the first book of my first series (so my first book technically), and I started August of last year! But I admit, I jumped straight away to the second book, because I already knew my plot. LOL. I should've finished the first book first so now I'm trying to finish it. The other problem I have is how I don't manage my time. I easily get distracted with the internet, surfing on Reddit for example. I know I really have to clean up my act because, judging from the time I waste every day, I can easily finish at least chapter and could do so much more.

Looking at your books, I think you're not doing bad yourself. I mean, at least you've written some already.

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« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2017, 12:00:56 AM »
That doesn't work. I have a pathological desire not to be told what to do, even by myself. On the plus side it made always be the guy in charge, on the negative, goals just don't work. I have to decide to do it, punishment and reward don't work.
I'm with you on goal setting. If I tell myself, "You MUST," another part of me is sure to pop up and say, "The h*** I must!" And then I'm likely to want to PROVE I don't have to... This can get really bad when it comes to crucial deadlines- like taxes. So I've learned some workarounds. I will rarely disappoint others if they are depending on me for something, so sometimes I can make that work for me. Sometimes just making it a routine- not a requirement, just an everyday ho-hum kind of thing... "Oh yeah, time to brush my teeth... and fire up Scrivener..." works. And once in a while- all too rarely- the story itself drives me on. Usually some kind of amalgam of writers group, habit and interest in the story itself is what gets me through.

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« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2017, 03:29:45 AM »
I even wrote that slowly. I type fast, think slow, and plod along. I tried being fast at publishing but just can't maintain it.

Anyone else a slow writer/slow publisher here?
Don't sweat it. Going too fast may add unnecessary pressure and cause more errors, frustration, etc.

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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2017, 07:19:20 AM »
My first book took me from age 12 to age 18 to finish (then years more to edit and rewrite and give up on agents). I then started and finished book 2 in 5 months. Book 3, which I just published, was on again off again for about 6 years. My thriller felt like it took me ages to write, and every time I sat down it was a struggle to get anything out, but it took about a year. So it's fair to say my writing is all over the place, at least speed-wise.

At the moment, I've determined that if I keep writing 600 words a day, I'll have finished this book by February :) This seems like it should be doable even on days that I can't get much out. Other days, I can easily put out several thousand words. It all depends how far ahead my mind can get. It's like going out for a walk, not knowing what the weather's like - some days it will be nice and clear and you'll get far, and other days it'll be thick fog and you'll barely make it to the end of the driveway!

In conclusion, I've been writing seriously for about 18 years (most of which seems to have slipped by me unnoticed), first published around 6 years ago, and I've published 4 novels and 2 short stories.

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« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2017, 10:04:56 AM »
So far what this thread has taught me is there is no such thing as a 'slow writer', but instead there's careful, deliberate and thoughtful authors. That's encouraging. Which is not to say that the fast, extremely prolific indies out there are not 'careful, deliberate and thoughtful', but rather their brains are wired in such a way that they're able to conjure, create and organize at a greater rate of speed...that, or their drugs are just better.  :P


In all seriousness though, I often think of myself as being 'careful, deliberate, thoughtful', but really when I get rolling I can world-build and outline and create character arcs, or bang out scenes and chapters relatively quickly...my problem is with daydreaming. I've been getting lost in daydreams, falling into mini-trances where I'm off in another world, since kindergarten, and probably before that.


If I could somehow keep my mind from wandering so much during the creative process perhaps I could speed up my production, but then again it's probably that daydreaming that makes me the creative person that I am, and really the money I'd spend on a drug habit, for the purposes of improving focus, is probably better suited to acquiring professional covers, marketing, etc...hmmm...well...maybe, maybe not... (I kid, I kid...just say no, people!)  8)


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« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2017, 02:03:19 PM »
It took Mark Z. Danielewski ten years to write House of Leaves.

Just sayin'.

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« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2017, 02:56:19 PM »
My problems from "The Window Shopping "
What I found in life, if you over window shop(want to buy something)..research the heck out of it...read all the reviews you can find, look for the best deal... Well you get to the point you don't want it.
What has this have to do with slow writing?
Well as I'm writing I think, Maybe there is something out there that is better to write in... I google writing software, trying all the new stuff and once I figure out I have the best, I move to; Maybe my story would be better if I outline it, so I search...reviews..etc..,
I find out...I don't like to outline all that much but I keep trying
Or I think maybe someone out there has a better idea on how to write better, so I buy/download a bunch of books, read a chapter or two and figure out there isn't a magic "word" that will open the gates and I'll "Get it"
I do this to the point I'm sick of writing and I go play my guitar...
I finally figured out that when I write ...I write
When I study writing I do it between books
When I search for the holy grail of software....I do it before a book..
When you write...You only write.
Thats what helps me speed up  ;D

I'll admit to doing some of this once in a blue moon. But mostly, I feel totally happy with my software situation, so it's not the platform. It just takes me an inordinate amount of time to get into my world.

Here's the thing: I work full time, and I do my writing on the side...in between snippets of mayhem/work-family-insanity, a really difficult spot to be in for writing itself...And somehow I find a way. I HAVE been writing, between 400-1000 words per day almost every day (vacations are just no fly zones for me), so I feel lucky. It's just getting my brain into the mode of the story so I can capture what I already know is there. Wording what I want is another enchilada altogether.
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« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2017, 02:58:19 PM »
I've spent 50 hours writing over the last 20 days and I have right at 4,000 words to show for it. I don't even know why I bother some days.

Because you're awesome? Because you want to create a sense of escape from this bizarre, difficult and challenging world we all live in, for other people to enjoy? I think it's because you're a writer, and writers (mostly)=awesome. That's my vote.  :)
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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2017, 02:59:42 PM »
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If I could somehow keep my mind from wandering so much during the creative process perhaps I could speed up my production, but then again it's probably that daydreaming that makes me the creative person that I am, and really the money I'd spend on a drug habit, for the purposes of improving focus, is probably better suited to acquiring professional covers, marketing, etc...hmmm...well...maybe, maybe not... (I kid, I kid...just say no, people!)  8)

I think your daydreaming is definitely an asset.
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« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2017, 03:01:54 PM »
My first book took me from age 12 to age 18 to finish (then years more to edit and rewrite and give up on agents). I then started and finished book 2 in 5 months. Book 3, which I just published, was on again off again for about 6 years. My thriller felt like it took me ages to write, and every time I sat down it was a struggle to get anything out, but it took about a year. So it's fair to say my writing is all over the place, at least speed-wise.

At the moment, I've determined that if I keep writing 600 words a day, I'll have finished this book by February :) This seems like it should be doable even on days that I can't get much out. Other days, I can easily put out several thousand words. It all depends how far ahead my mind can get. It's like going out for a walk, not knowing what the weather's like - some days it will be nice and clear and you'll get far, and other days it'll be thick fog and you'll barely make it to the end of the driveway!

In conclusion, I've been writing seriously for about 18 years (most of which seems to have slipped by me unnoticed), first published around 6 years ago, and I've published 4 novels and 2 short stories.

I hope it's comforting to know that you're still eons ahead of so many other aspiring writers, who never even finish what they start. You're successful in my book!
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