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Why does my book keep ending up in Nonfiction??
« on: August 16, 2017, 01:24:49 PM »
This is really weird, not to mention frustrating.

This is the fourth time now, among two different books, that my book has magically appeared in the general "Nonfiction" category as opposed to the categories I set it at. I contacted kdp last night and told them it is NOT nonfiction and to change the category to ___. As of right now, it still hasn't been changed.

I'm afraid I'm losing visibility and maybe even sales over this. Plus, it's just so weird. Once, I could write it off as a quirky mistake. But why has this happened for both my books? You can see that they don't even look like nonfiction.

Any idea what's going on, or what to do about it?

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Re: Why does my book keep ending up in Nonfiction??
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2017, 01:33:47 PM »
This is really weird, not to mention frustrating.

This is the fourth time now, among two different books, that my book has magically appeared in the general "Nonfiction" category as opposed to the categories I set it at. I contacted kdp last night and told them it is NOT nonfiction and to change the category to ___. As of right now, it still hasn't been changed.

I'm afraid I'm losing visibility and maybe even sales over this. Plus, it's just so weird. Once, I could write it off as a quirky mistake. But why has this happened for both my books? You can see that they don't even look like nonfiction.

Any idea what's going on, or what to do about it?

I wonder if it's the "Madison Musicians" that's causing the confusion.  Maybe the computer sees this as a real musician group?  The titles, "Only Twenty-Five" and "Out of My League" might not be enough to bump it back into fiction.  Theoretically, you could have 25 musicians and they could be out of their league in performing with others.

Amazon should be able to figure this out, but if they keep making the mistake...you can continue to contact them or maybe add a keyword into your title or series name. 

Sorry, this probably doesn't help.  Just my best guess.

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Re: Why does my book keep ending up in Nonfiction??
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2017, 01:50:31 PM »
Keywords?
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Re: Why does my book keep ending up in Nonfiction??
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2017, 02:18:06 PM »
Keywords.

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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2017, 02:41:58 PM »
Any idea what kinds of keywords would be putting it (them!) in nonfiction?

And are the keywords so powerful that they would remove a book from the requested categories so they could put it in something the keywords supposedly suggest? That's seems awfully weird to me. If I said I wanted it in "x" category, that's where it should be!
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2017, 02:48:23 PM »
Okay, these are the keywords the "nonfiction" book currently has:

sweet clean romance
humor romantic comedy
love
friendship dating relationships
college university school students
coming of age
romance

What do you think might be the culprit?

And I still don't understand why keywords would "overrule" a category request.

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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2017, 02:53:18 PM »
Okay, these are the keywords the "nonfiction" book currently has:

sweet clean romance
humor romantic comedy
love
friendship dating relationships
college university school students
coming of age
romance

What do you think might be the culprit?

And I still don't understand why keywords would "overrule" a category request.

friendship, dating, relationships, college, university, school, students


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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2017, 04:11:58 PM »
friendship, dating, relationships, college, university, school, students

Huh? So you can't write a fiction book about dating?? Or friendship?

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2017, 04:15:20 PM »
friendship, dating, relationships, college, university, school, students

Huh? So you can't write a fiction book about dating?? Or friendship?


They probably have it pegged as a self-help, or guide to dating in college.  I have some of the same keywords in my books (relationship, dating, etc.) and so far I don't think it has moved them into non-fic categories.   (Although now I'm paranoid and have to go look.   ??? )
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2017, 04:56:21 PM »
Huh? So you can't write a fiction book about dating?? Or friendship?


You can, but who searches for a novel about dating? Or friendship? You have seventeen keyword and seven of them are likely hits for nonfiction searches.

Add a lot more keywords that are less nonfiction and it might swing the balance back to fiction.

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Re: Why does my book keep ending up in Nonfiction??
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2017, 06:06:03 PM »
You can, but who searches for a novel about dating? Or friendship? You have seventeen keyword and seven of them are likely hits for nonfiction searches.

Add a lot more keywords that are less nonfiction and it might swing the balance back to fiction.

Huh. I was trying to get it into the YA fiction categories that specifically use those words. I'll take them out, though. Thanks.
It still bugs me that it took the book OUT of the specific categories I said to put it in.

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Re: Why does my book keep ending up in Nonfiction??
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2017, 10:57:50 PM »
And I still don't understand why keywords would "overrule" a category request.

In each genre, keywords are used to place you in sub-categories.

So the question is, in the romance genre, which of your keywords has a meaning which you didn't know about?

You need to find the Romance keyword list and check all of them. Also check if there is a non-fiction list of keywords, because if there is, your problem might be on that list.

Edit: What categories did you choose?
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Re: Why does my book keep ending up in Nonfiction??
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2017, 11:06:24 PM »
Use this keyword guide:

https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/A19G4ONBAU6NO3

I was just looking at that. I'm not sure the OP is using any of the official keywords.

Having a book only in 2 categories is weird. When one of them is wrong, it would seem to indicate a wrong choice of category in the first place. But presumably the OP has gone back to the dashboard and checked which ones were submitted?


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Re: Why does my book keep ending up in Nonfiction??
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2017, 11:45:03 PM »
I really don't know much about keywords, categories etc (I just emailed KDP and asked them to put me in the same categories that I copied and pasted from a book similar to mine) so I'm taking a wild guess...

Could it perhaps be happening because in your Bio you have that you're a professional musician, and you have "Giggin'" which is non-fiction?  Like I said - wild guess.  I really don't know.


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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2017, 03:01:57 AM »
It's not just you. #2 in Non-fiction right now is a John Grisham novel!

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2017, 03:32:04 AM »
Use this keyword guide:

https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/A19G4ONBAU6NO3

I've always thought this guide was.....   so unhelpful.  By which I mean "duh!"

CATEGORY                                 KEYWORDS
Romance/Romantic Comedy ....  Comedy, Humor
Romantic Heroes/Firefighter ....  Firefighter

Well, duh.  They might as well add the following:

Sky.....  blue
Sun....   yellow, hot


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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2017, 03:35:43 AM »
I've always thought this guide was.....   so unhelpful.  By which I mean "duh!"

Unhelpful how?

Each word is a trigger to placing the book in a sub-category. That's all there is to it.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2017, 04:05:20 AM »
Unhelpful how?

Each word is a trigger to placing the book in a sub-category. That's all there is to it.

Unhelpful in that it doesn't suggest any keywords that an author wouldn't come up with on his/her own by using common sense.  Any author who wants their book in the Romantic Heroes/Doctors category and doesn't automatically use the words doctor, physician, surgeon isn't really trying.  Same with an author with a book for Romantic Heroes/Spies categories; if he/she can't come up with the keywords spies, espionage on her own, then I'm not sure I'd want to read that book.
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2017, 04:45:26 AM »
Unhelpful in that it doesn't suggest any keywords that an author wouldn't come up with on his/her own by using common sense.  Any author who wants their book in the Romantic Heroes/Doctors category and doesn't automatically use the words doctor, physician, surgeon isn't really trying.  Same with an author with a book for Romantic Heroes/Spies categories; if he/she can't come up with the keywords spies, espionage on her own, then I'm not sure I'd want to read that book.

Maybe so, but I check the list for every new book, first to make sure I'm not missing something recently added, and second to make sure I'm using every single keyword I can fit in there, to maximize sub-category placement.

I normally get into at least 12. And some of them are not intuitive.

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2017, 05:11:58 AM »
Huh? So you can't write a fiction book about dating?? Or friendship?


You can, of course, but I agree, it could be those. Remember, the bots aren't perfect. I'd try different keywords for that string, see if it helps.
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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2017, 06:12:29 AM »
I was just looking at that. I'm not sure the OP is using any of the official keywords.

Having a book only in 2 categories is weird. When one of them is wrong, it would seem to indicate a wrong choice of category in the first place. But presumably the OP has gone back to the dashboard and checked which ones were submitted?


The thing about that list is that none of them really apply to my books. I don't write about pirates, vikings, ghosts, witches, vampires, etc. I did have "humor" and "romantic comedy" in my keywords. But what do I put for the others? Just leave them blank?

The categories the book was originally in were something like women's humor, romantic comedy, and women's fiction -- romance. Then it got knocked into nonfiction.

Anyway, I removed all the "dating, friendship, relationship" type keywords ... but wait! I just discovered this is where I got the idea for those keywords in the first place:
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/A3O9QROY7AIQG2

Those words are what Amazon tells you to use to get into the women's fiction categories. It's not just me being stupid.

So now I am thoroughly stumped and irritated.

The thing that bothers me the most is that I've written to kdp twice asking them to take it out of nonfiction, and it hasn't been fixed.

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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2017, 06:17:05 AM »
What were the actual 2 categories you used when you submitted the book?

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2017, 07:49:06 AM »
One of your books seems to have been fixed. Maybe you need to contact KDP again on behalf of the other one. You might be dealing with a tech who can't multitask. Be a squeaky wheel.

For what it's worth, I don't think that error will cost you sales. it's obvious from the description and cover that the book is fiction, and I'd guess that not many potential buyers read all those category ratings.