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A ruthless murder and a stolen shipment of gold.

At school, sixteen-year-old Nikaia Wales endures the taunts of bullies who call her a “half-breed.” At home, she worries about how her family will react if she reveals her growing feelings for the quiet boy next door.

Those are soon the least of her troubles. Nikaia discovers a hidden cache of gold, and when police find a corpse nearby, her father becomes a suspect. Worse, Elias Doyle is circling, hungry to avenge his brother’s death.

Nikaia desperately searches for clues to save her father. In her quest to find the killer, she learns about the power of family, friendship, and young love....

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« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2017, 09:00:50 AM »
I changed a few last weekend and they went through in a matter of hours, not much longer than in KDP directly.

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« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2017, 02:50:52 PM »

Hi! I like your chart, but I was wondering if there was a reason you left BN and Smash off of it? Also, you list publishing direct on Amazon thru KDP as being exclusive, but it's only exclusive if you enroll in the KU program

Hi, thank you for your comments, you are absolutely right! There is no reason for leaving them out other than lack of space. Working on a more thorough guide for the PublishDrive blog which will include them. (And will handle distributors and aggregators separately.)
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« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2017, 04:01:44 PM »
Hi, thank you for your comments, you are absolutely right! There is no reason for leaving them out other than lack of space. Working on a more thorough guide for the PublishDrive blog which will include them. (And will handle distributors and aggregators separately.)


Thanks! Would you mind linking that guide once it's up? I'm in KU at the moment but I know a lot of us are eagerly anticipating what the 15th is going to bring to make some decisions.

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« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2017, 10:18:19 PM »
Well, it's Thursday. Still no stats.

I'm sorry but I just can't see how someone can properly organize a launch week (promo sites, contest, FB/Amazon/AdWords/etc. ads and so on) with Pronoun. It's a marketing nightmare.

If your book is just "set it and forget it" then sure, you can live with this. But I assume a lot of people on KBoards are using Pronoun so as to receive 70% for $0.99 books. I'll go ahead and also assume they'll at least be stacking promos so as to maximize results with this $0.99 thingy. Maybe even paid ads. Without half-decent stats at your disposal... good luck with that :(

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« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2017, 04:00:58 PM »
I've now had about 8 books in Pronoun for a week.

In regards to Amazon:

I uploaded the .mobi files Amazon had previously generated for the books and they took them as is.

I had to send an email about transferring reviews and recreating the series, but that was resolved in about a day.

Updates occur very quickly, both prices and things like categories, really not much longer than using KDP.

One big difference in choosing two categories, you seem to be picking real Amazon categories, and not like in KDP where the choices often don't seem to match categories in the store itself. Plus, you get in subcategories with keywords, etc, just like with KDP. If anything, I think my books are ultimately listed in more categories than they were in KDP.

The only negative to using Pronoun instead of KDP non-Select is that you can't use AMS ads.

The positive is across the board 70% payout and ability to make a book free whenever you want.

The non-Amazon channels:

These work about the same as D2D. Also, customer service is as responsive and as friendly as at D2D.

I would say that their interface, though easy to use, is a little inferior to D2D. I think they make heavy use of Javascript and that often is less dependable than simpler forms. For instance, the link to delist a book from a vendor doesn't show up on my books for some reason. 

Categories at the other vendors are also inferior to D2D. They send the same Amazon categories (or some derivative of them) to the other retailers. These may or may not match the retailers. So my books at Kobo through Pronoun are in just one or two categories. Through D2D, they were in three.

I think both Pronoun and D2D would be improved if they optionally let you choose vendor specific categories, if you wanted to go to the trouble.

Overall:
The reporting is slower, but that really isn't a big deal to me.

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« Reply #55 on: September 18, 2017, 01:00:24 AM »

Thanks! Would you mind linking that guide once it's up? I'm in KU at the moment but I know a lot of us are eagerly anticipating what the 15th is going to bring to make some decisions.

Here we go: https://publishdrive.com/ebook-publishing-platforms/ For ease of use we decided to include only publishing platforms and leave stores out.
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« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2017, 07:06:15 AM »
A new issue with Pronoun represents a potential deal breaker for nearly all of us who are moving books from Amazon direct..

If you have sold any number of books then when Amazon allocate the Pronoun version a new ASIN and link the two versions together to merge the reviews etc., they DON'T merge the 'You have already purchased this book on the.........' warning.

I'm asking them to sort this out because if you have sold lots of these books, and your readers click on the new ASIN not realising the book is already in their library, they're going to get pretty annoyed with you as an author, then go for a refund with Amazon.  Either way not good PR for you. I will report back on whether they resolve this, or not. Seeing as the book that I moved to them has previously downloads and sales of 25,000 books, I'm going to revert back to KDP if it cannot be resolved.

Also, I'm waiting to see if it ties up the series because currently it doesn't show up in the banner of books on the author page either.


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« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2017, 08:25:21 AM »
Interesting bud, Tobias.

I have not had issues with my passion projects going on Pronoun. I began uploading them at 99 cents after they amended the payout to be 70%. :p Customer service is very good.

My passion projects are shorts, books and novellas that I wouldn't otherwise spend a great deal of time promoting and making a backstop for.

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« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2017, 08:31:24 AM »
A new issue with Pronoun represents a potential deal breaker for nearly all of us who are moving books from Amazon direct..

If you have sold any number of books then when Amazon allocate the Pronoun version a new ASIN and link the two versions together to merge the reviews etc., they DON'T merge the 'You have already purchased this book on the.........' warning.

I'm asking them to sort this out because if you have sold lots of these books, and your readers click on the new ASIN not realising the book is already in their library, they're going to get pretty annoyed with you as an author, then go for a refund with Amazon.  Either way not good PR for you. I will report back on whether they resolve this, or not. Seeing as the book that I moved to them has previously downloads and sales of 25,000 books, I'm going to revert back to KDP if it cannot be resolved.

Also, I'm waiting to see if it ties up the series because currently it doesn't show up in the banner of books on the author page either.

Why would you do that?

You just untick the Amazon option, enter the existing url, and hit enter.

There is no reason at all to double list on Amazon.


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« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2017, 10:51:40 AM »
Why would you do that?

You just untick the Amazon option, enter the existing url, and hit enter.

There is no reason at all to double list on Amazon.


I should have have explained in more detail.

I have a book at $2.99 on Amazon, it is showing on kobo.au as $3.49 which in Oz $$'s is cheaper than $2.99 US. They told me to drop my Amazon price, or raise kobo's. I decided that I didn't want to mess with my Au market which is being very kind and didn't want to go below $2.99 to satisfy the price-matching demand of amazon which would put me on 35% instead of 70% So, instead I ticked the box on Pronoun, unlisted my KDP book so it would automatically switch to the Pronoun book. It did, but then the 'already purchased' warning you get when you go to buy a book that you already have disappeared because it was a new ASIN. This isn't a clever move. Pronoun understand this and are now trying to resolve it with Amazon. If they can't do that, then I have to consider the reader and decide on accepting the risk of upsetting them and perpetual refunds, or revert back to KDP and take the hit on the royalty. I thought it would be important for others to know this and posted it. It's not about double listing which I'm not sure you can even do.
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