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Re: For heaven's sake, people, you're authors.
« Reply #175 on: November 06, 2017, 01:45:00 AM »
I also grew up in England but watched a lot of US TV shows (mostly westerns/Westerns) and only knew the spelling as jail. When the English teacher asked me to read a passage from a book I read gaol as goal as it was the first time I'd encountered it. I was quickly corrected by the laughing teacher, and a few classmates tittered  :-[. I still cringe at the memory.
When I was growing up, in the 50s/early 60s, we still used the word gaol all the time. I really think it was Elvis and Jailhouse Rock that actually brought in the use of the jail spelling, since we had very little in the way of American books that would have had the spelling. It is an Americanism that has penetrated our shores, like alternative.

Oscar Wilde's great poem is called 'The Ballad of Reading Gaol' and Reading Gaol is a prison, not a little jailhouse.

One thing that pees me off is when someone says 'there are other alternatives' - an alternative is a choice of two. Otherwise it should be 'there are other options'.



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« Reply #176 on: November 06, 2017, 01:48:16 AM »
But that wasn't the context. The context was clear that the word should have been shuddered. She saw a huge great hairy spider crawling across her foot and she shuttered? Do me a favour!

You didn't explain that in your earlier post. In the exact context I can see why you think it was wrong.


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Re: For heaven's sake, people, you're authors.
« Reply #177 on: November 06, 2017, 02:26:38 AM »
I also grew up in England but watched a lot of US TV shows (mostly westerns/Westerns) and only knew the spelling as jail. When the English teacher asked me to read a passage from a book I read gaol as goal as it was the first time I'd encountered it. I was quickly corrected by the laughing teacher, and a few classmates tittered  :-[. I still cringe at the memory.

That reminded my of my school friend (who had just read 'The Virgin Soldiers') asking our English teacher what a "wore"was.

On further investigation, we found the word was "whore".

How on earth did it end up spelled like that anyway?

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« Reply #178 on: November 06, 2017, 03:21:03 AM »
It is only correct if you take it out of context, which you have. Private tuition is school or lessons that one pays for. Intuition is instinct. We were talking about schooling, not some odd twist on instinct.

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« Reply #179 on: November 06, 2017, 03:23:44 AM »


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« Reply #181 on: November 06, 2017, 03:44:37 AM »
Please don't let the bride walk up the isle, people.

As for off of, it's colloquial American, so I don't want to see it in a Regency romance, thank you very much.

That would make for an interesting "trash the dress" session.

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« Reply #182 on: November 06, 2017, 03:55:55 AM »
I know it's probably technically correct, but I'm always pulled up by 'after the wedding, the couple went on its honeymoon.'  ::)

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« Reply #183 on: November 06, 2017, 04:31:18 AM »
I know it's probably technically correct, but I'm always pulled up by 'after the wedding, the couple went on its honeymoon.'  ::)
I guess it depends on whether you consider 'couple' a thing rather than two people. I would say 'their honeymoon.'

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« Reply #184 on: November 06, 2017, 04:36:50 AM »
Raelly cna't see waht all teh Fsus is abuot.

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« Reply #185 on: November 06, 2017, 04:40:00 AM »
I guess it depends on whether you consider 'couple' a thing rather than two people. I would say 'their honeymoon.'

Absolutely, a couple in the context is two people will be 'their', a couple of Mint Julip's still wouldn't be 'its'  The honeymoon is an 'it' but it's their 'it' so it's their honeymoon, not someone else's.


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« Reply #186 on: November 06, 2017, 04:42:40 AM »
I guess it depends on whether you consider 'couple' a thing rather than two people. I would say 'their honeymoon.'

I've always used 'their', but it was explained to me that couple is a collective.

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« Reply #187 on: November 06, 2017, 04:52:36 AM »
I've always used 'their', but it was explained to me that couple is a collective.

There are loads of grammar examples that fly in the face of the 'technical' definition. Such are the vagaries of the English language and how 'it' is spoke (and written). :)


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« Reply #188 on: November 06, 2017, 05:17:13 AM »

Peter James (who is English and should know better) in a book set in a Sussex village, calling his car a sedan. We call them saloons. A sedan is a little horse drawn thingy from the 19th century.



Wait, you mean that in the UK a four-door car is referred to as a saloon??  How did I never hear of that before??  I'm familiar with a lot of British-isms that I've encountered in normal reading, but never run across this.    :o   :o

Soo, do the British have a word for the place in the American old west where cowpokes go for some whiskey and sarsparilla*, and usually end up in a "no holds barred" brawl??






*In typing this comment, I learned that the word I was looking for is sarsparilla, and not sasparilla, as I'd thought.  I don't think I've ever heard the first 'r' pronounced in that word.  So I learned something, too.   ;)
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« Reply #189 on: November 06, 2017, 05:42:00 AM »

Wait, you mean that in the UK a four-door car is referred to as a saloon??  How did I never hear of that before??  I'm familiar with a lot of British-isms that I've encountered in normal reading, but never run across this.    :o   :o

Soo, do the British have a word for the place in the American old west where cowpokes go for some whiskey and sarsparilla*, and usually end up in a "no holds barred" brawl??


Just to derail the thread further -
In SA my two-door Honda Prelude is classed as a sedan. My 5 door Hyundai i10 is a hatchback.

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« Reply #190 on: November 06, 2017, 05:51:18 AM »
Just to derail the thread further -
 My 5 door Hyundai i10 is a hatchback.

It's a great car too (y)


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« Reply #191 on: November 06, 2017, 06:21:28 AM »
Just to derail the thread further -
In SA my two-door Honda Prelude is classed as a sedan. My 5 door Hyundai i10 is a hatchback.

Actually, the dictionary I checked said that a sedan can be either a 2-door or a 4-door.  I'm more used to them having four doors, though, so that's how I described it.   8)
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« Reply #192 on: November 06, 2017, 06:23:36 AM »
Actually, the dictionary I checked said that a sedan can be either a 2-door or a 4-door.  I'm more used to them having four doors, though, so that's how I described it.   8)

I always thought 2-door was a coupe?

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« Reply #193 on: November 06, 2017, 06:44:36 AM »
I always thought 2-door was a coupe?
It is in the U.S.

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« Reply #194 on: November 06, 2017, 07:06:48 AM »
I always thought 2-door was a coupe?

I think that's a 2-seater.

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« Reply #195 on: November 06, 2017, 07:08:07 AM »
I think that's a 2-seater.

A two-seater only has room for two. A two door has two doors, but usually seats 4-5. You have to climb over the front seats to get in the back.

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« Reply #196 on: November 06, 2017, 07:27:42 AM »
A two-seater only has room for two. A two door has two doors, but usually seats 4-5. You have to climb over the front seats to get in the back.


Yes. My idea of a coupe is a 2-seater and 2-door. But it is probably different in each country. My MG Midget was described on the registration in the UK as body = 'sports'.

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« Reply #197 on: November 06, 2017, 07:31:59 AM »
I always thought 2-door was a coupe?

Sometimes, but not always, as I learned in my 2-minute course on sedan-vs-coupe.   8)
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« Reply #198 on: November 06, 2017, 07:53:17 AM »
Everyone has their pet peeves when it comes to this stuff, and I do put down poorly edited books. But I'm reluctant to make fun of those who make mistakes because everybody has blind spots. For instance, I just this year learned that one stanches blood flow rather than staunches it. How many years have I been blithely using the adjective as a verb while inwardly laughing at mistake-makers who knew enough not to make the mistake I was making? Thirty? Thirty-five? It's embarrassing in a pot/kettle kind of way. So, you know ... if you're reading this thread and feeling bad because you've made some of these mistakes, don't worry. :)

No kidding! I remember one time in particular- no, actually, I don't because I've blocked it from my memory- but I can still feel the hot, excruciating, lingering  embarrassment!  :P

Nowadays I tell my younger friends it's just a sign they're well read if they mispronounce words and that they have a good ear if they get the phrase wrong. And before I correct them I try to remember to always look it up first!  ;D

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« Reply #199 on: November 06, 2017, 07:58:58 AM »
Nowadays I tell my younger friends it's just a sign they're well read if they mispronounce words and that they have a good ear if they get the phrase wrong. And before I correct them I try to remember to always look it up first!  ;D

And now is my chance to ask, how is the word "whinge" pronounced? In the U.S. we "whine".

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