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big problem in look inside
« on: February 08, 2018, 10:30:21 PM »
Hey guys, I have a big problem.

I just formatted my first book and I viewed the whole file through my kindle to fix any strange viewing problems with text, formatting, etc. Then I uploaded to Amazon and reviewed each page of the previewer to ensure it looked right.

Everything was fine.

Now it's live and the look inside has all kinds of errors. For example the text is all center justified in the live version but was not in the preview. The first paragraph in each chapter is showing up in a different font and larger  text size than the rest of the paragraph.

Help!

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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 10:36:50 PM »
I have the same file loaded onto my kindle app and it has neither of these formatting problems. Why is the look inside giving me such trouble?  :'( :'(
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 10:48:16 PM »
Ouch. There must be some rogue coding that Kindle is ignoring, but the look inside is picking up on.

What did you use to format it? Im going to guess word (or another word processor)?

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 10:54:01 PM »
Ouch. There must be some rogue coding that Kindle is ignoring, but the look inside is picking up on.

What did you use to format it? Im going to guess word (or another word processor)?

I used scrivener (with kindlegen).

It looks fine in scrivener and on my kindle, AND the amazon previewer during upload process.

What can I do?
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 11:06:09 PM »
I used scrivener (with kindlegen).

It looks fine in scrivener and on my kindle, AND the amazon previewer during upload process.

What can I do?

Ditch the file and use the free formatting tool by D2D.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 11:55:54 PM »
I believe Look Inside still uses a rendering in KF8, instead of the current KFX. That means that coding that works on current Kindles may not work properly in Look Inside. You would need to use coding that works in both. You don't say how you generated your files, but it's apparently creating code that only works well in KFX. To check this, you can test your file in Kindle Previewer 2, instead of the current Previewer 3.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 11:56:23 PM »
Ditch the file and use the free formatting tool by D2D.

I will try that now. I was following a tutorial from youtube on the formatting and everything worked fine except this look inside. So annoying!
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2018, 12:00:15 AM »
I believe Look Inside still uses a rendering in KF8, instead of the current KFX. That means that coding that works on current Kindles may not work properly in Look Inside. You would need to use coding that works in both. You don't say how you generated your files, but it's apparently creating code that only works well in KFX. To check this, you can test your file in Kindle Previewer 2, instead of the current Previewer 3.

That's good to know. I will try to check with that before reuploading.

The lingering question is, how will I know if someone's device can see this correctly if it shows up well in some places but not others?? :o :o
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2018, 12:01:43 AM »
If reuploading using different settings doesn't work, try getting an experienced Kindle formatter from places like Fiverr to do it for you. Use a top seller or a highly ranked provider.

They would have the experience you need to overcome "Look Inside"-related formatting issues.


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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2018, 12:12:28 AM »
If reuploading using different settings doesn't work, try getting an experienced Kindle formatter from places like Fiverr to do it for you. Use a top seller or a highly ranked provider.

They would have the experience you need to overcome "Look Inside"-related formatting issues.

Thanks for the advice.

The point of me learning to format is to eliminate the outsourcing though. Everyone has been telling me I should learn to do it for myself and I'm determined to do so and will likely be purchasing Vellum when I have the money but for now I need to try to figure it out without paid formatters.
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 12:17:39 AM »
Seriously, use D2D. No fuss, the files are gorgeous, no look inside issues. Not worth losing brain cells over.

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2018, 12:21:38 AM »
Seriously, use D2D. No fuss, the files are gorgeous, no look inside issues. Not worth losing brain cells over.

I'm sure hoping so! ;D

I've paid for formatting with my first two books and wanted to start taking more ownership (gain knowledge) on that aspect of publishing. It's been extremely stressful for me because I am super excited about this book and think it's a really good read and don't want people turned off by my rookie formatting mistakes. :'(
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2018, 12:27:22 AM »
Formatting was the first thing I outsourced. Professional formatting helped me get my first Bookbub. People overlook its importance all the time. If the look inside looks funky, people will not buy, no matter how nice the file they'll get on their device.

Look at how much time and stress you're wasting on it. You can get your book formatted for as little as $60. D2D does it for free. It really is not worth the heartache. Do you give up "ownership" of your book if you outsource cover design? No, certainly?

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2018, 12:39:18 AM »
Formatting was the first thing I outsourced. Professional formatting helped me get my first Bookbub. People overlook its importance all the time. If the look inside looks funky, people will not buy, no matter how nice the file they'll get on their device.

Look at how much time and stress you're wasting on it. You can get your book formatted for as little as $60. D2D does it for free. It really is not worth the heartache. Do you give up "ownership" of your book if you outsource cover design? No, certainly?

By take ownership, I mean learn to do something for myself.It appears the current problem is with Amazon using older software for their look inside than they use for the kindle. I think I can learn this. If not, I'll go back to paying others to do it for me.

I just see so many successful authors on Kboards doing formatting themselves I'd like to see if I can. And it seems I can, I just need to get the look inside to cooperate.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2018, 01:12:35 AM »
If you're determined to take ownership of it, you might look at my series on Kindle formatting, starting with "From Word to Kindle." The basic suggestions work for all Kindles, based on extensive testing at the time of writing, when there was more variety than now.

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2018, 01:17:05 AM »
This happened to me a while ago too when I tried to do formatting in Scrivener. It was all screwed up and I ended up  buying Vellum for the single book instead. I wish I knew about D2D formatting back then.

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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2018, 01:21:02 AM »
This happened to me a while ago too when I tried to do formatting in Scrivener. It was all screwed up and I ended up  buying Vellum for the single book instead. I wish I knew about D2D formatting back then.

Good to know, Rica.

I'm interested in vellum, too. But I broke the bank a bit on cover, editing, etc. recently and will have to wait on it. As soon as KDP allows me to submit the D2D file we will see if this fixes things.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2018, 01:25:31 AM »
Beware that it can take forever for the look inside to update.

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2018, 01:29:38 AM »
Beware that it can take forever for the look inside to update.

Thanks, Patty!

I'm learning a lot from this. Luckily, I have zero visibility so it's not as bad as someone who had lots of promos lined up lol.  ::)

I'll wait till I have all vendors versions looking clean before sending to my newsletter or dreaming of (finally) starting book promotions.

I do think Amazon's previewer should "match" with their look inside. There is no point of the viewer showing a clean preview only to find the look inside is all screwy.

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2018, 01:55:12 AM »
Wow, someone bought one of each of my three books just now (or a couple of hours ago).

I haven't shared that this book was live yet so that's kind of interesting.

I hope they like them :D
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2018, 01:58:37 AM »
Put something in the beginning, like a date or version number so that you can see if its been updated if the formatting doesnt change. :)

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2018, 02:06:53 AM »
Wow, someone bought one of each of my three books just now (or a couple of hours ago).

I haven't shared that this book was live yet so that's kind of interesting.

I hope they like them :D

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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2018, 03:29:46 AM »
So I saw this and went to the amazon page where it is. I sent myself a free sample (to my iphone kindle app) and it looks mostly ok. The chapter headings butt right up against the beginning paragraph. But everything else is more or less ok.

Later in the game you should definitely check out Vellum. I use it myself and have no regrets. But if people here are saying D2D (I've used them in the past before they even offered extensive formatting) then go with that.

I keep thinking that the ebook formatting (and, for that matter, createspace formatting) issues are soon to be 'a thing of the past'.
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2018, 03:34:30 AM »
So I saw this and went to the amazon page where it is. I sent myself a free sample (to my iphone kindle app) and it looks mostly ok. The chapter headings butt right up against the beginning paragraph. But everything else is more or less ok.

Later in the game you should definitely check out Vellum. I use it myself and have no regrets. But if people here are saying D2D (I've used them in the past before they even offered extensive formatting) then go with that.

I keep thinking that the ebook formatting (and, for that matter, createspace formatting) issues are soon to be 'a thing of the past'.

Hey Scott,

I've heard so many great things about Vellum and I'm very interested. I'll budget it in as soon as I can =  )
My first foray into formatting haha

There are so many steps to self-publishing and I want to get each one right.
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 03:55:10 AM »
I understand where you're coming from. I like to do it myself too. I uploaded some pretty messed up files along the way. I started out uploading Word docs. Then I converted Word to ePub with free online converters. (Don't do that. The files suck.) I also tried Calibre and Sigil but that just confused me. I eventually started using Jutoh and loved it. I'm a Vellium user now.

D2D probably is the easiest way to fix the problem right away. But if you want to do it on your own, you may consider Jutoh as a lower cost option.
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