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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2018, 05:45:13 AM »
I used scrivener (with kindlegen).

It looks fine in scrivener and on my kindle, AND the amazon previewer during upload process.

What can I do?

There is some discussion about problems with Scrivener and a possible solution in this thread: https://kdp.amazon.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=310235&start=30&tstart=0

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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 07:01:07 AM »
I uploaded new files for the first two books on 21.12.07 and both are good on 'Look inside'. The two new books uploaded a week or so later are the same, good to go on 'Look'. I use what is probably the only legal copy of Windows 7 in Russia for all my writing and editing and I've never had a problem. I will say that everything on the 'publish' file is symmetrical, either centered or justified and I use narrow margins top, bottom and sides. If I ever get anything printed I'll have the printer to whatever manuscript changes are needed.

I did notice on the Blue Cloud upload that one word needed changing in the preface. I edited the word and uploaded the file again. Everything went well but that one word was not changed, from 'before' to 'after' in the text. I double checked the edit, all was good so I uploaded again. No dice, still 'before', not 'after'. Got busy for a couple days and did not check the little tome and went back after that time and, without me doing anything, the correct word was there. Perhaps Kindle is not as quick an upload as one would think even when the email arrives that the book is 'live'?
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 07:15:28 AM »
I uploaded new files for the first two books on 21.12.07 and both are good on 'Look inside'. The two new books uploaded a week or so later are the same, good to go on 'Look'. I use what is probably the only legal copy of Windows 7 in Russia for all my writing and editing and I've never had a problem. I will say that everything on the 'publish' file is symmetrical, either centered or justified and I use narrow margins top, bottom and sides. If I ever get anything printed I'll have the printer to whatever manuscript changes are needed.

I did notice on the Blue Cloud upload that one word needed changing in the preface. I edited the word and uploaded the file again. Everything went well but that one word was not changed, from 'before' to 'after' in the text. I double checked the edit, all was good so I uploaded again. No dice, still 'before', not 'after'. Got busy for a couple days and did not check the little tome and went back after that time and, without me doing anything, the correct word was there. Perhaps Kindle is not as quick an upload as one would think even when the email arrives that the book is 'live'?

Yeah, I may have to wait a couple of days to see if the changes went through correctly. But it's so weird. The text looks fine on my kindle and in the KDP previewer and then in look inside the font of the first paragraphs is wrong, there is no page breaks for the map and TOC even though that part is absolutely correct in my source document. The paragraphs are center justified too, which is just bizarre.   :o
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 07:34:06 AM »
Not being terribly computer literate or for that matter formating literate, I have no idea why you would have problems and I don't. I don't have a kindle or any 'modern' communication device beyond my rather good and locally built computer and a cell phone that has 'Property of Noah' stenciled on it.
I'm sure others here will find a way to help you and I wish I could, but I simply stated what I do and when I find something that works, I tend to stick to it. I'm also a firm believer in the KISS principle.
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 09:05:26 AM »
Put something in the beginning, like a date or version number so that you can see if its been updated if the formatting doesnt change. :)

Yup, yup, yup! I always put the date I upload a new version at the very end of the front-matter copyright info, so I can always tell which version of my book is live and that the Look Inside feature has been updated.

Also, after recently running into a formatting issue such as the OP has encountered (affecting the Look Inside only), I spent the next two days making Sigil my very bestest friend.
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 09:15:38 AM »
Is there a reason you don't use Word for your file when you upload to kdp? I've never had a problem when I use it.
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 09:30:22 AM »
Is there a reason you don't use Word for your file when you upload to kdp? I've never had a problem when I use it.

I don't own windows. I also have heard people have trouble with word as well when formatting files. Hopefully, I can get this figured out.
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 09:33:23 AM »
No time to read the replies, but the exact same thing (same formatting errors) happened to my latest release. I emailed KDP support and they fixed it within the hour. The book itself was fine when purchased but the look inside was horrific.
  

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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2018, 09:46:11 AM »
No time to read the replies, but the exact same thing (same formatting errors) happened to my latest release. I emailed KDP support and they fixed it within the hour. The book itself was fine when purchased but the look inside was horrific.

Good to hear it wasn't only me and that there is a light at the end of the tunnel!

I've emailed them. Let's see what happens.  :)
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2018, 10:31:23 AM »
Is there a reason you don't use Word for your file when you upload to kdp? I've never had a problem when I use it.

Same here. It works well as long as you understand how to format a document correctly in Word.

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2018, 11:30:04 AM »
I would also recommend Mark Corker's style guide to learn about formatting. It's free on smashwords.
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2018, 11:44:38 AM »
There have been threads both here and on the Literature & Latte forums about how formatting with Scrivener can give you a messed up Look Inside even though the ebook itself is fine. It's the reason when I knew I had to give up my long-time method of creating ebooks with Mobi Creator because it was dated, I didn't go with Scrivener and did go with Vellum.

L&L says the new Scrivener 3 takes care of the problem, which evidently has to do with the way the older versions of Scrivener did CSS. Of course Scriv 3 is only available for the Mac right now. The Windows version won't be out until later this year. I have seen others post that they contacted Amazon over the messed up Look Inside for a perfectly good Scrivener-produced ebook and Amazon fixed it.

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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2018, 01:41:27 PM »
Look Inside is much improved over what it was when introduced in 2010 (as I recall). A lot of us had to go back and format books that we had upload in Word. The problem then, and I suspect the problem the OP is having now, is that while KDP software will always gently close an html tag like <center>, Look Inside follows stricter html rules. If you don't close such a tag (and the same is true with boldface, italic, and whatnot), then the style is followed until and unless a closing tag is met with. Word is especially prone to this; I'm sorry to hear that it can arise in Scrivener too.

My solution was to ditch Word, or rather to clean it up and make an epub out of it. A validated epub will always convert just find on the KDP, with never a Look Inside issue. (Well, that's not entirely true. If you float text around a left-aligned image, Look Inside will do as the old KF7 devices did, and start the text at the very bottom of the image, so that most of the paragraph comes below it. Nothing you can do about that except avoid such formatting in the first ten percent of the book.)

It should be some comfort to the OP that the purchased or borrowed book will look just fine in a Kindle device or app.
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2018, 04:09:54 AM »
I've learned five main lessons in three years of my residency in Kindleopia:

1  Release in series
2  Have a plan
3  Build up an adequate fund for the launch - including formatting tools or services
4  Have more $$ to grow the launch reader base over three years
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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2018, 04:26:13 AM »
Same here. It works well as long as you understand how to format a document correctly in Word.

Same here. Word is used so often that KDP must know their way around any possible problems. But Word doesn't seem to be available to the OP.

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« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2018, 04:36:03 AM »
Seems like they've fixed it.
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« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2018, 05:20:27 AM »
Seems like they've fixed it.

That's good. Are you jumping for joy?  :D

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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2018, 09:57:28 AM »

5  Listen to Patty Jansen

I just skip all the steps and do this.  8)

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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2018, 04:41:19 PM »
Seems like they've fixed it.

Did they indicate if it is a system-wide thing or something particular to your situation?


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Re: big problem in look inside
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2018, 04:51:15 PM »
I use Scrivener to create an epub, then use the stand-alone Kindlegen program-NOT the one you hook up to inside Scrivener--to create the mobi file for Amazon.  This seems to avoid the Scrivener problems.  Once you've made the epub in Scrivener, save it, then open the separate Kindlegen program and browse for your epub, and convert it to mobi that way.  This only takes about 60 extra seconds of work.


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