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What sort of covers do you wish there were more of?

SciFi
14 (17.3%)
Paranormal
8 (9.9%)
Contemporary
3 (3.7%)
Fantasy
18 (22.2%)
Mystery / Suspense / Thriller
10 (12.3%)
Romance - SciFi
2 (2.5%)
Romance - Paranormal
3 (3.7%)
Romance - Contemporary
3 (3.7%)
Romance - Fantasy
6 (7.4%)
Romance - Mystery / Suspense
3 (3.7%)
Romance - Interracial
4 (4.9%)
Comedy / Humor
5 (6.2%)
Romance - Historical
0 (0%)
YA / MG Fantasy
2 (2.5%)

Total Members Voted: 46

Voting closed: March 17, 2018, 07:41:35 PM

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Offline Victoria Wright

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Premade covers...
« on: March 10, 2018, 06:41:35 PM »
Let's talk cover art! I think the poll is pretty self-explanatory. Please pick up to three options, and feel free to chime in with comments if I left out a genre you're interested in or there's anything else you'd like to add. :)

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Re: Premade covers...
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2018, 10:35:08 AM »
Can you add Comedy to the poll? It's like a black hole out there if you're writing the stuff. There aren't many premade covers with some kind of sight gag, that's for sure. There's also endless advice out there on SF/Fantasy/Romance covers, but zero on humo(u)r.

I'm curious what others think, because (for example) a Fantasy/Comedy can't be published with a premade swords 'n' sorcery cover, can it?


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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2018, 11:14:15 AM »
The thing I'm always looking for in pre-made is "sets".

A lot of authors write in series and you buy a good pre-made and then get charged three times as much to have the second cover in the same series just to get continuity.

I wish more designers would make at least a trilogy of covers.
Also, and this is important to me, I hate it when the set all look identical except that the model is in a different position. I like colour variation on the background, so you can see at a glance that it is the same series but not the same book.

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 11:29:23 AM »
Comedy in all genres and three-cover premades.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 12:46:44 PM »
Can you add Comedy to the poll? It's like a black hole out there if you're writing the stuff. There aren't many premade covers with some kind of sight gag, that's for sure. There's also endless advice out there on SF/Fantasy/Romance covers, but zero on humo(u)r.

I'm curious what others think, because (for example) a Fantasy/Comedy can't be published with a premade swords 'n' sorcery cover, can it?

Good points, I've added it to the poll. :)

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2018, 12:59:04 PM »
The thing I'm always looking for in pre-made is "sets".

A lot of authors write in series and you buy a good pre-made and then get charged three times as much to have the second cover in the same series just to get continuity.

I wish more designers would make at least a trilogy of covers.
Also, and this is important to me, I hate it when the set all look identical except that the model is in a different position. I like colour variation on the background, so you can see at a glance that it is the same series but not the same book.

All of this^^

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Re: Premade covers...
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2018, 10:05:23 PM »
The thing I'm always looking for in pre-made is "sets".

A lot of authors write in series and you buy a good pre-made and then get charged three times as much to have the second cover in the same series just to get continuity.

I wish more designers would make at least a trilogy of covers.
Also, and this is important to me, I hate it when the set all look identical except that the model is in a different position. I like colour variation on the background, so you can see at a glance that it is the same series but not the same book.

Don't be afraid to ask if a designer will turn similar covers into a set for you. The reason a lot of designers don't like doing sets is because, if a set doesn't sell, you've spent double or triple the time working on something you can't make money from.

I can't speak for all designers, obviously, but if someone buys one of my premades and then comes back later to ask me to make more in the series, I'll usually give them the same price as for the premade, as long as they expect a similar level of work, and don't expect the same amount of changes as they would be entitled to for a custom cover.
     

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2018, 01:22:02 AM »
High and heroic fantasy.
They are always impossible to find.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2018, 12:07:52 PM »
Don't be afraid to ask if a designer will turn similar covers into a set for you. The reason a lot of designers don't like doing sets is because, if a set doesn't sell, you've spent double or triple the time working on something you can't make money from.

I can't speak for all designers, obviously, but if someone buys one of my premades and then comes back later to ask me to make more in the series, I'll usually give them the same price as for the premade, as long as they expect a similar level of work, and don't expect the same amount of changes as they would be entitled to for a custom cover.

^That pretty much sums it up. Hard to justify the time spent on a 2 - 3 cover set when one doesn't have a buyer already lined up for them. On top of that, the average buyer kind of expects to get a discount if purchasing three covers at once, esp. in a series. >.<

High and heroic fantasy.
They are always impossible to find.

Ooh, I hear you on this. I'm curious though, what would you be looking for in terms of the art on a high or heroic fantasy premade? Maybe swords / daggers / warrior looking (wo)men or similar?

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2018, 01:26:06 PM »
Maybe swords / daggers / warrior looking (wo)men or similar?
All of the above, really, particularly warriors and mages who don't look like mediocre cosplayers.


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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2018, 02:35:29 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2018, 02:45:47 AM »
Historical romance and urban fantasy would be nice, too.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2018, 03:20:49 AM »
All of the above, really, particularly warriors and mages who don't look like mediocre cosplayers.
This in spades!!! Gotta love the male 'mage' who looks like a robed monk.  :-[

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2018, 09:38:35 AM »
My opinion- sci fi covers that aren't all 'spaceship swooping in front of an alien planet.'  Because there are a lot of SF genres that have nothing to do with space opera/space travel/military SF.  Also, there are sooooooo many of this kind of cover that even a really attractive, well-executed one just blends in with the rest on the storefront.

Opinion of a friend of mine- LGBT romance covers!  She's insisted I put the exclamation point in.  According to her:
G romance covers aren't that plentiful and what's out there is often not well crafted, obvious photoshopping, etc.
L romance covers are rare (so rare she'll grab a cover before starting to write, and match her characters to the ladies depicted on the cover).
Same story for MFF or FMF romance (probably because the market's so small).
And T romance covers just don't seem to exist, period.
MMF and MFM covers are pretty easy for her to find, "no complaints there."

From both of us, series, series, series.  Or make the prices more reasonable for adapting/crafting new covers.

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2018, 12:38:37 PM »
^^ This. And fantasy creatures.

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LoL -- those are some great images, but good luck to we designers finding suitable stock to fit those styles (love the first one esp., pretty epic warrior there). As a longtime fan of fantasy myself, I've always figured I'd have to hire an artist (and pay the much higher fees) for personal illustrations if I want to publish fantasy works with covers I deem suitable. My own drawing/illustration skills just aren't up to scratch for that level of work. v.v

My opinion- sci fi covers that aren't all 'spaceship swooping in front of an alien planet.'  Because there are a lot of SF genres that have nothing to do with space opera/space travel/military SF.  Also, there are sooooooo many of this kind of cover that even a really attractive, well-executed one just blends in with the rest on the storefront.

Opinion of a friend of mine- LGBT romance covers!  She's insisted I put the exclamation point in.  According to her:
G romance covers aren't that plentiful and what's out there is often not well crafted, obvious photoshopping, etc.
L romance covers are rare (so rare she'll grab a cover before starting to write, and match her characters to the ladies depicted on the cover).
Same story for MFF or FMF romance (probably because the market's so small).
And T romance covers just don't seem to exist, period.
MMF and MFM covers are pretty easy for her to find, "no complaints there."

From both of us, series, series, series.  Or make the prices more reasonable for adapting/crafting new covers.

Great feedback there. Your friend will be pleased to hear I've actually put some thought into lesbian premades and should have some (hopefully in sets, too) in the near-ish future. ^.^

With regard to the non-spaceship / alien planets sci-fi covers, what sort of elements would you have in mind? Mecha robots, exotic eye colors, futuristic looking cities, maybe some symbols like the classic DNA spiral integrated into the design? I'm sure I'm not the only designer who would like to cater to these needs. :)

This in spades!!! Gotta love the male 'mage' who looks like a robed monk.  :-[

Show me the stock for it and it shall be done! Seriously though, I know the feeling. I haven't found many images of suitable robed individuals, the bad cosplay effect is real.

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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2018, 12:39:53 PM »
Historical romance and urban fantasy would be nice, too.

Added historical romance to the poll.

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2018, 01:06:59 PM »
I'd add YA or MG fantasy to the list - though these ones are usually quite a bit more expensive because a lot of them require an illustration for the cover.

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2018, 01:31:45 PM »
I'd like to see more YA and MG fantasy with female protagonists of color. Where are the olive-skinned women and girls?

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2018, 02:39:26 PM »
For SF covers, I'd love to see futuristic cityscapes, maybe with a slightly dystopian vibe without going full Zombie Apocalypse/Prepper.  Also, people on the covers, maybe with cyborg parts or other body modifications.  Finally I'd love to see 'weird superscience' themes, but not superhero-y.

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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2018, 04:29:05 PM »
I'd add YA or MG fantasy to the list - though these ones are usually quite a bit more expensive because a lot of them require an illustration for the cover.

Added. So if you were looking for an affordable premade, what advice would you give designers in terms of content / tropes that might work for a cover in this genre?