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Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« on: February 28, 2009, 10:20:55 AM »
Kindle 2 is fun, but it would never have been made by Apple. Here are four reasons. There are many more!

1. The screen still isn't bright like paper. It looks dull and waxy, like multiply-recycled paper, or unbleached paper that can be found in some Indian and third-world books.

2. The screen savers cannot be removed. This seems to be a small point here on KindleBoard, but Apple would never let it happen. There will be people, like me, who find them generic and childish. Someone said, on another post, that they are reminiscent of the posters in Barnes and Noble. That is not praise! They are Eurocentric, clichd, unimaginative, and above all they are not mine! Apple would have made it easier, not harder, to get rid of the screensavers.

3. Apple would have made it easy to make the top and bottom of the screen blank. That extra information can be very annoying. Why not just show it when the user presses a button? Kindle 2 is reminiscent of Microsoft Word 2008, which also forces an extra bar on users (just above the page), which cannot be removed.

4. The design is intermittently silly. The packaging reminds me of shallow trays that are sometimes used by Chinese and Thai takeways. The spills of letters that ornament the packaging, and also the manual, look like 1970s student graphic designs.

5.  Apple would have had a touch screen, like the iPhone, instead of the keyboard, which is not needed all the time -- so why show it all the time?

I'm not sad I bought the Kindle 2, but I can clearly see it will be superseded by Apple, or Google, unless it radically improves in its next incarnation.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 11:18:48 AM »
Kindle 2 is fun, but it would never have been made by Apple. Here are four reasons. There are many more!


And here I THOUGHT that was because it was made by Amazon.
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 12:33:26 PM »
They are Eurocentric

Um, whats wrong with that asks this european?  :o

Let me guess, trying to flame? What exactly does Apple have to do with the Amazon Kindle? I am not getting this.

So every item in the universe has be made by a company named Apple or else? Washing machines too? Ladders?

What about hamburgers, no? ok.




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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 01:03:45 PM »
I'm finding it telling that this is his 1st post.  Have some Kindle haters (what's up with that?) made it to the board.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 01:06:43 PM »
Here's another way you can tell it's not an Apple product:

I actually bought one.  I would never consider buying any more Apple products.
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 01:36:09 PM »
O.K.  Folks.  Ease up.  Jim1010 is entitled to his opinion  . . . We shall not call each other Haters. . .we shall not bash the Apple company.  If you disagree, all you need to say is "I disagree". . . . .

For the record, Jim, I disagree with your contention that it will be superseded by Apple or Google without radical improvement.  I find even the Kindle 1 to be superior, as a reading device, to an iPhone or any other PDA type device.  My opinion only, of course. 

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2009, 01:46:42 PM »
O.K.  Folks.  Ease up.  Jim1010 is entitled to his opinion  . . . We shall not call each other Haters. . .we shall not bash the Apple company.  If you disagree, all you need to say is "I disagree". . . . .

For the record, Jim, I disagree with your contention that it will be superseded by Apple or Google without radical improvement.  I find even the Kindle 1 to be superior, as a reading device, to an iPhone or any other PDA type device.  My opinion only, of course. 

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I will apologize for the 'hater' remark, however, I question the purpose of the post. 

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2009, 02:21:41 PM »
Thanks, Jesslyn.

Let's assume the purpose of the post was to offer his opinion, and leave it at that. . . .


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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2009, 03:56:36 PM »
Hi everyone,

I'm sorry about the Apple business... I work in an art school, and Apple and Apple design are everywhere. There's also the press speculation about Apple coming out with an e-book reader. But I didn't mean to offend anyone! And I'm very happy using my Kindle. (In Copenhagen, by the way, speaking of Eurocentrism!)

I just hope Amazon continues to keep working on it.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2009, 04:21:28 PM »
They're working on it.... You should watch Jeff Bezos' interview on Charlie Rose..... He is very much interesting in improving the product, and reducing the price.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2009, 05:52:39 PM »
Kindle 2 is fun, but it would never have been made by Apple. Here are four reasons. There are many more!

1. The screen still isn't bright like paper. It looks dull and waxy, like multiply-recycled paper, or unbleached paper that can be found in some Indian and third-world books.

2. The screen savers cannot be removed. This seems to be a small point here on KindleBoard, but Apple would never let it happen. There will be people, like me, who find them generic and childish. Someone said, on another post, that they are reminiscent of the posters in Barnes and Noble. That is not praise! They are Eurocentric, clichd, unimaginative, and above all they are not mine! Apple would have made it easier, not harder, to get rid of the screensavers.

3. Apple would have made it easy to make the top and bottom of the screen blank. That extra information can be very annoying. Why not just show it when the user presses a button? Kindle 2 is reminiscent of Microsoft Word 2008, which also forces an extra bar on users (just above the page), which cannot be removed.

4. The design is intermittently silly. The packaging reminds me of shallow trays that are sometimes used by Chinese and Thai takeways. The spills of letters that ornament the packaging, and also the manual, look like 1970s student graphic designs.

5.  Apple would have had a touch screen, like the iPhone, instead of the keyboard, which is not needed all the time -- so why show it all the time?

I'm not sad I bought the Kindle 2, but I can clearly see it will be superseded by Apple, or Google, unless it radically improves in its next incarnation.


Ok, Jim, you are entitled to an honest opinion.  I disagree with you on much of what you said, so I will answer you point by point:

1.  I like the background shade of the screen, especially in the Kindle 2.  I would think a stark white background with black text would cause much more eyestrain.

2.  I also would like to be able to change the screensavers but I do not dislike the design of the existing ones.

3.  I do not find the subtle informational bars on the top and bottom of the reading page distracting at all.  In fact, real paper books usually have the book title somewhere on top of the page.

4.  I do not read the package.  The design of the box is not an issue that has to do with the Kindle 2 itself as a book reader.

5.  Why in the world would I want a touchscreen on a book reader when I'm trying to read a book?  I find touchscreens to be unreliable anyway.  I bought the Blackberry Storm and returned it within 2 hours.  Hated it.  A touchscreen would be a very bad and unnecessary idea in a book reader in my opinion.

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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2009, 07:09:12 PM »
I seriously doubt that Apple or Google will ever approach the content available to the Kindle. As a Reader, that is all that matters.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2009, 07:17:14 PM »
I seriously doubt that Apple or Google will ever approach the content available to the Kindle. As a Reader, that is all that matters.

Exactly, Amazon introduced a book reader to let them sell ebooks,with books being their primary business. Apple is a hardware manufacturer without the available books. Kindle wins hands down in the available books category.
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2009, 07:58:25 PM »
Exactly, Amazon introduced a book reader to let them sell ebooks,with books being their primary business. Apple is a hardware manufacturer without the available books. Kindle wins hands down in the available books category.

Bingo!

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2009, 08:58:01 PM »
I love my Macbook and my iPod Touch, but I'm glad Amazon made the Kindle. It's less about the hardware and more about the reading and the books.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2009, 09:29:27 PM »
Apple would have made a different product, but I'm not certain it would have been better.

While I absolutely adore my iPhone, I'm another one who's very glad there is no touch screen on the K2.  I get irritated enough when there's a speck of dust on it--fingerprints blurring the screen would make me absolutely insane.

On the other hand, you're definitely right about the screensavers. :)  I'd give a lot to have them either changeable or at least be able to pick ONE of the 25.  I'm tempted to send them mail every day until they do something about it.  LOL

Interestingly enough, it took a week of continuous use while my husband was in the hospital before I caved & learned to like the iPhone (it was his).  It took twenty minutes to learn to love the Kindle.  As fabulous as my iPhone is, this will probably get even more use.
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2009, 09:35:33 PM »
In my world I talk on my iPhone, listen to my iPod, use my G4 at the publishing company where I work and read my Kindle.
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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2009, 01:23:29 AM »
Replying to farmwife99:

Right, that's exactly what the excellent David Pogue said in his "Ndew York Times" review of the Kindle 2: he said that she one thing no one gets is that the Kindle doesn't "replace" anything, including e-readers on cell phones: people use everything at once.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2009, 04:54:34 AM »
Wasn't it Steve jobs that stated that Apple would not produce an E-Reader because people do not read anymore?

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2009, 10:50:28 AM »
Replying to farmwife99:

Right, that's exactly what the excellent David Pogue said in his "Ndew York Times" review of the Kindle 2: he said that she one thing no one gets is that the Kindle doesn't "replace" anything, including e-readers on cell phones: people use everything at once.

Eww backlight RUINS reading. It causing glares AND headaches/eyestrain. Not everyone needs it all on what electronic device.

I have a zune for mp3s because I HATE IPods. I have a cell phone to make calls, a handbuilt computer for everything at home and a compaq laptop at work.

Sorry to be rude but I DO NOT understand the younger generation's need for everything in one device.

Wasn't it Steve jobs that stated that Apple would not produce an E-Reader because people do not read anymore?

Yep Jobs implied that the hip Ipod users do not read. I guess its too low of them and uncool to read.


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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2009, 11:16:46 AM »
Chobitz. . . don't hold back. . . tell us how you really feel :D

Seriously though. . . let's keep perspective. . . .we all have different opinions. .  I personally have no need for any sort of mp3 player. . .but lots of my very good friends do. . . o.k. for them.  They have no need for a Kindle.

I have one friend who can read books and things on his cellphone. . . .he allowed as how the kindle would be better for long reading, but he doesn't do any of that so the the phone works for him.  My phone, on the other hand, is just a phone. . .well it is technically a windows mobile device, but I pretty much use it as a phone with a pda. . .don't do any web browsing or e-mailing, though I could.  I do like that I can sync my contacts and schedule with Outlook on my main computer.

I don't think the preference is necessarily generational. . .though there may be some correlation. . . I think there's a gender correlation as well. . . I mean, most guys don't carry a purse, so maybe it's easier to just have one device for everything.  :)  Mostly I think it has to do with 'what is the most important function to me'.  If I can find a device that does that well. . .and does some other things I can use too, but don't really need, well, that's cool.  If I want my reading experience to be primo, and my listening experience to be primo, and my ability to go on line anywhere allways available. . .well, then maybe I really want 3 different devices.

I will say, I agree about backlighting. . . I wouldn't want it in the Kindle, but some don't mind that. . .and that's o.k. too. . .My comptuer screen is back lit, but there's plenty of ambient light in the room so there isn't any glare and no real eystrain. . . .I don't like it when I have to use a backlit screen in a darkened room. . . .that is really uncomfortable.  Don't like to watch TV in the dark either. :)

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2009, 01:05:15 PM »
I slightly modified Jim's first line. Is that acceptable??  If not, don't read the rest of my post.

Kindle 2 is fun. Here are four reasons. There are many more!

1. I can carry many books with me.
2. No styrofoam in packaging, not that packaging matters.
3. Easy to read, a variable brightness of background would be great but really this is fine.
4. Best reason of all - I like it.


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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2009, 11:42:45 PM »
Hmmm

Touch screen would be a bad move..... fingerprints everywhere blocking my reading.
Possibly a stylus but even that can mare a screen with smudges.
No... I try to never touch my screen and keep it as clean as possible.

Also the keypad at the bottom raises the screen to eye level better... especially when reading in bed.

The screen looks like a paper back novel... very easy on the eyes... not dirty paper in my opinion.

I doubt Apple would put this much care into producing a product designed solely for reading at length.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2009, 12:52:08 AM »
apparently Apple simply said "why make a reader when we can just make software to allow you to access Kindle matrial on our Iphone and Itouch?"  New app for the new Ipods.  You can access the kindle store and read DRM'd Amazon books on them now.  The Iphone or Itouch actually shows up in the Manage your Kindle section on the Amazon page.  Talk about riding coat-tails.
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2009, 03:42:19 AM »
apparently Apple simply said "why make a reader when we can just make software to allow you to access Kindle matrial on our Iphone and Itouch?"  New app for the new Ipods.  You can access the kindle store and read DRM'd Amazon books on them now.  The Iphone or Itouch actually shows up in the Manage your Kindle section on the Amazon page.  Talk about riding coat-tails.

I would never want to read a book on something as small as an iPhone.
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2009, 05:50:33 PM »
I would never want to read a book on something as small as an iPhone.

Not the whole book at any rate.

I tried out a reader app for the iPhone before buying my Kindle, to test a) whether I would read "on the go" that much, and b) if I really even needed a Kindle if a).

I can read on the iPhone for short periods of time, but it's not fun for really settling in to a good book. I love that there's an iPhone app though, it's perfect for those "standing in line" reading opportunities.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2009, 05:18:27 AM »
Leslie has a good review on the 'other reviews' forum. . .I agree I wouldn't want to read a whole book, but I can see using it  to have something to do when you have just a short wait and/or your Kindle isn't with you.  And, as someone else said, the more Kindle buzz the better for all of us!

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2009, 10:48:04 AM »
2. The screen savers cannot be removed. This seems to be a small point here on KindleBoard, but Apple would never let it happen. There will be people, like me, who find them generic and childish. Someone said, on another post, that they are reminiscent of the posters in Barnes and Noble. That is not praise! They are Eurocentric, clichd, unimaginative, and above all they are not mine! Apple would have made it easier, not harder, to get rid of the screensavers.

I agree that it would be nice to have a more culturally diverse selection of authors on the screensavers.


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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2009, 08:39:09 PM »
Here's another way you can tell it's not an Apple product:

I actually bought one.  I would never consider buying any more Apple products.

I prefer to look at things more on a merit basis than who manufactures it.  ;D ;D

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2009, 05:28:28 PM »
I prefer to look at things more on a merit basis than who manufactures it.  ;D ;D

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2009, 06:49:54 PM »
First off I disagree with OP......I love the Kindle and I'm glad Amazon made it and not Apple.......second I'm a young reader [23] and while it's not the "thing" for my generation to do it is by far one of my favorite past times....so once again I thank Amazon
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2009, 12:55:52 AM »
If apple made the kindle we would need special DRM glasses for reading the text
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2009, 12:19:09 AM »
First off I disagree with OP......I love the Kindle and I'm glad Amazon made it and not Apple.......second I'm a young reader [23] and while it's not the "thing" for my generation to do it is by far one of my favorite past times....so once again I thank Amazon

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2009, 01:56:35 AM »
I would never want to read a book on something as small as an iPhone.

same here as it gives strain in my eyes so much. A good reader for me has to be more than 5" -7" in creen for better readability.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2009, 08:32:45 PM »
yes, anything smaller than 9inchs doesn't really work with formating and eye movement, etc
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2009, 02:22:23 PM »
how could anyone read from something as small as an apple?
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2009, 06:42:38 PM »
yes, anything smaller than 9inchs doesn't really work with formating and eye movement, etc

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2009, 09:21:21 AM »
nah , don't get us started

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2009, 12:24:45 AM »
Yes, size does matter when you are a little lacking
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2009, 10:11:11 AM »
how could anyone read from something as small as an apple?

Yeah, I know. Good product but not for reading.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2009, 10:17:01 PM »

Gotta love that apple packaging.  Seriously, even though it has nothing to do with the kindle I think it's the best packaging I've seen for a product in a long time.  It stresses the eco-friendly aspects of the Kindle itself, the fall of letters is charming and indicative of the product, and the little touches on the pull tabs (Once upon a time...) and even the UPC code were a fun touch.

The grey screen?  Thank God.  I would hate to read on anything approaching a white screen.

No touch screen?  Fine with me.  I don't want fingerprints all over my Kindle screen and I don't want to deal with the extra layer that's required to make it touchable.  Not to mention the little spots that pop up and the 'grid' when it gets older.  I hate reading through screen doors.

Screensavers, sure I'd like to see it more easily customizable.  But we're a great community and it took all of 2 weeks?  1 week?  To figure out how on our own.  Personally I like the majority of the stock screensavers anyway.  Did you want flying windows or something?  Not sure what sort of screensaver pictures you'd put on a reading device if not authors.
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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2009, 11:10:22 PM »
Kindle 2 is fun, but it would never have been made by Apple. Here are four reasons. There are many more!

1. The screen still isn't bright like paper. It looks dull and waxy, like multiply-recycled paper, or unbleached paper that can be found in some Indian and third-world books.

2. The screen savers cannot be removed. This seems to be a small point here on KindleBoard, but Apple would never let it happen. There will be people, like me, who find them generic and childish. Someone said, on another post, that they are reminiscent of the posters in Barnes and Noble. That is not praise! They are Eurocentric, clichd, unimaginative, and above all they are not mine! Apple would have made it easier, not harder, to get rid of the screensavers.

3. Apple would have made it easy to make the top and bottom of the screen blank. That extra information can be very annoying. Why not just show it when the user presses a button? Kindle 2 is reminiscent of Microsoft Word 2008, which also forces an extra bar on users (just above the page), which cannot be removed.

4. The design is intermittently silly. The packaging reminds me of shallow trays that are sometimes used by Chinese and Thai takeways. The spills of letters that ornament the packaging, and also the manual, look like 1970s student graphic designs.

5.  Apple would have had a touch screen, like the iPhone, instead of the keyboard, which is not needed all the time -- so why show it all the time?

I'm not sad I bought the Kindle 2, but I can clearly see it will be superseded by Apple, or Google, unless it radically improves in its next incarnation.

Wow I'm an Apple user too but I come on, Apple wouldn't make an e-reader like that. What you mentioned is a multimedia tablet, which is WORSE than the Kindle for READING.

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Re: Why Kindle 2 is not an Apple product by Jim1010
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2009, 04:51:47 AM »
And the main reason a Kindle is not an Apple -- its not overpriced by 50-100%.
To me, it appears that for most everything you end up paying a stiff premium to apply the Apple name to it -- and that premium rarely, if ever, brings with it sufficient improvements or enhancements to warrant such a premium.

I'd much rather have a Kindle hooked into Amazon for $300 than an iReader hooked into iBooks for $600.

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