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Grey Daze: A Lance Underphal Mystery
by Michael Allan Scott

Kindle Edition published 2015-03-29
Bestseller ranking: 167157

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An IAN Book of the Year Finalist and featured on NBC's Daytime Show, the third book in the Lance Underphal Mystery series is part of a new breed of supernatural thrillers which can be read and enjoyed in any order. Based on real events, this is one of those dark, disturbing novels that keeps you turning pages.
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It's a mystery- Something is wrong. As Lance Underphal pads softly across the cold flagstone, he hears her weeping. She is on her knees, hunched over in the middle of the room, her back to him, facing the dark fireplace. Something is very wrong. Lance wants to rush to her, but can't. In a hoarse whisper, he says, "Callie?" She lets out a mournful wail from deep within as she turns, their infant son in her arms, blue and still. He reels from the blow. How can this be? They don't have a son.

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Since my post was the one nerfed for this, I'll simply point out that there was no "accusation" of lying. Bob admitting that he was lying to his audience about his gender and his authentic experiences (in fact, he admitted to dozens of pen names and dozens of personas) was one of the factors for this conversation to begin with. My follow-up was simply meant to reinforce the notion that once someone's lied for gain in one instance, and they seem to have little to no remorse about it, their credibility is potentially shot, whether here or elsewhere and whether they're telling the truth or not. Should I have couched "lying" more euphemistically? If a male outs himself as a male after pretending to be one of the girls (or a white female outs herself after pretending to be a POC or a gay male), how do you suppose the audience will react? Will they be willing to believe anything else he tells them, even when he's telling the truth? And do I actually have to be someone in a FB group that he's personally deceived to feel like that? That's what my post posited.

If you want threads like this to remain open, those are dots you will need to leave other members to connect for themselves.

I hope this is the last on this matter.

Writers' Cafe / Re: I Think KBoards Makes Me Sad
« on: January 08, 2018, 02:28:24 PM »
Dan ... society is changing. Yes, some people who thought they were already firmly in the "good" category are now getting the sense that many of their fellow humans don't necessarily perceive them that way. That's upsetting -- I feel it myself from time to time. KBoards is a slice of society, so some of our conversations here will touch obliquely on these social changes and various reactions to them. But taking on those changes directly is way beyond our purview. I'm not seeing a way anyone here can respond to your thoughts on these changes in race relations, gender relations, and so forth without running afoul of our limitations on political argument. Locking for now. We'll discuss.

Folks, popcorn gifs are really not appropriate for a topic like this, especially when most are clearly trying so hard to maintain a strong, civil conversation. :(

I think this has been a good thread. And I think it's been valuable to have someone like bobfrost articulating the thought processes of someone who sees the transition into skeeviness coming further along the continuum of interaction than many others might. Without opposing views, the conversation would be less specific, informative, and thought-provoking. Let's keep in mind that spreading awareness about this issue probably matters more than changing one author's practices.

Accusations of lying are not appropriate. That is the kind of thing that will get the thread locked, so please desist. I will be making a few edits/deletions.

Flip the genders. A woman is now talking all manly on her Facebook page and appealing to a male audience on her new book. They find out shes a woman. Are her posts suddenly creepy?

Isnt it something of a double standard to be ok with one sex doing something, but not ok with the other sex doing it?

I think it *could* be creepy, depending on what the woman pretending to be a man has been talking about with her fans. Typically, women authors pretend to be men when they're writing about hard science, brutal crimes, horror, and other stuff that society tends to think of as "not feminine." If a secretly-a-woman author who's been nattering on with her fans about whether EMDrive engines are possible is revealed to be a woman, the fans may be surprised or taken aback, but no personal info has been exchanged. They've been talking about engineering and theoretical physics. Now, if she's been asking her readers to tell her about the last time they felt sexually inadequate, or asking them to share some other personal, intimate experiences or information that she suspects many men would be unlikely to want to share with a woman, I think that'd be an entirely different matter. But it doesn't seem to me that the kinds of genres that prompt women writers to take on male pen names would generate those kinds of very intimate conversations in any natural way.

Writers' Cafe / Re: New To Kboards!
« on: January 07, 2018, 02:36:18 PM »
Welcome! :)

Bingo - and this is what makes me believe that when the more business-minded Romance authors (on here, at least) discuss interacting with fans through a pseudonymous persona, they are not trying to mine them for this sort of information.

I'm still poking about in hope that some of the Pros will shed some more light on this, but maybe it's too much of a trade secret. (Is it just dropping comments to fans, e.g. "Cute doggy!" "Cute baby!"?)

It's hard for me to see how more substantive engagement, like lengthy private conversations with individual fans, could be of much value to a fiction author in most circumstances. I'm certainly open to the possibility that I'm wrong about this, being a noob. But it seems like one of those 80/20 rule things, and I would think that there should be more effective ways to spend one's time as an author.

One possible concern, I think, is that men using female pen names may not be talking to female fans about intimate subjects in order to build bonds with readers, to gain insight into female sexuality, or for any other pragmatic reason, but simply because it's titillating. I sincerely hope that's never the case, but no one looking at those conversations from the outside could really know for sure what motivates them, so the possibility exists. In my mind, that differentiates this particular scenario from J.K. Rowling's developing a male bio or other pretenses where the dishonesty is more clearly pragmatic in motivation.

Edited: I seem to have accidentally deleted the quote I was responding to. ??? Restored it.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Question about a concern about a review.
« on: January 07, 2018, 11:29:36 AM »
Welcome to KB, Graylupine71017. :)

From a copyright perspective, the amount of quoting in that review seems perfectly reasonable to me. The law is designed to allow for illustrative quotations in reviews and analyses. I don't think you're going to get anywhere with Amazon on that front, though you can always give it a try if you want to. Every review has a "report abuse" tag at the bottom.

An anonymous account using a pre-written cut/pasted response.

Maybe, but not necessarily. Apparently the forum app for iPhone now automatically triggers those awful diamond-square glyphs unless you get into your settings and turn off the smart quotes. Or so I've heard (stubborn Android user, here).

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 06, 2018, 01:54:56 PM »
Screenshots? From where? There's a guy in this very thread who admitted, in his comments in this thread, that he is impersonating women while having frank sexual discussions with his readers. There's no need for hearsay. HE ADMITTED IT OPENLY.

Yes, and I think we all get the picture that many people think this behavior is very, very, very wrong. What more do you want the opportunity to say to bobfrost, exactly? That what he's doing is very, very, very, very wrong? Now it's all about bobfrost. None of that would get at the masterminds' alleged behavior, which remains hearsay.

From the perspective of a moderator, this kind of thread is frustrating. Y'all you've been here for a long while know that Harvey started KB to be a nice space for chatting about the Kindle device. He did not start it with an eye to discussions of, as I think Seneca42 put it, the seamy underbelly of indie publishing ... obviously, since indie publishing didn't exist at the time.

So the forum has shifted into something else now, but it needs to remain true to its identity as a nice place, because that's what Harvey's family wants it to be. As does the entire moderation staff. We all agree on this.

So threads like this one come up. Someone wants to use KB to discuss some industry ne'er-do-well. To bring that person/group of people *down*. And we say, "Okay, you can discuss this, but the conversation needs to remain civil," and then we spend *days* deleting and editing posts from people who ignore the civility request.

And it turns out there are 50 facets to the wrongdoing, and we say, "You know what, ONE of these is simply too contentious/too whatever for us to cover here." And there is outrage. How dare we only permit you to discuss 49 out of the 50 facets?!? Suddenly the one prohibited facet is the only one that anyone cares about, and folks will go to the barricades and get the whole thread locked down because of the ONE thing we've deemed inappropriate to discuss here.

So, yeah ... frustrating. It's my second day not writing at all so that I can watch this thing and keep it open. Because of the 49 things. Because communication within the community matters, and a lot of people have been able to air their views on this thread. Because KB has the Google-fu to spread news. But if y'all aren't willing to live with the constraints of this place, to accept that it is not going to always be the perfect vehicle for the message you personally may want to send or the discussion you personally may want to have, then there's not a whole lot more we can do.

So, yeah. Locking this. Unhappily.

Edit: typo fix

Follow up by Betsy:  I've reviewed the thread.  Having read the entire thread, I agree that the latter discussion of the ethics of male authors posing as women authors and interacting with female readers has permanently derailed the thread, despite repeated requests by moderators to keep the discussion to the very useful topic of stuffing and its impact on authors. For those who are disappointed, let me reiterate Becca's invitation for anyone interested in starting a thread about male authors posting as women authors to contact the moderating staff about your goals for the thread.  As you know, we don't normally allow continuation of a discussion from a locked thread, but a general discussion of such behavior has merit.  PM any of the mod staff if you wish to discuss.    --- Betsy/KB Admin

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 06, 2018, 01:15:04 PM »
I have been a member here for years and have shrugged off a lot of questionable moderator shut downs of conversation, but this just totally crossed a line for me. To say I'm disgusted and angry is a total understatement. In this time, with the #metoo movement so prevalent, and to see a female mod here shut this down as if it isn't important, well, I guess you can say this will be my last post and I won't be back... ever.

Pretending to be a woman and engaging in sexual talk with fans as if one is a woman, while asking very personal questions and gaining womens' trust, is so totally gross I don't even know where to start.

I'm sorry to hear that, Deanna.

The issue is important, but this is not the place to pursue these allegations, IMO. We're not going to host screenshots of sexually explicit conversations here, and we're not going to identify anonymous authors' by their real names, which would be necessary in order to prove they are men. So, we're stuck at hearsay level and would end up with profound contention and argument with none of the evidence that would allow those arguments to be resolved in anyone's minds. I have not deleted the allegations, although they're stuck at hearsay level, but we're not going to take it further here, at least for the time-being. Maybe the other moderators will feel differently when they come online, but I'm the only one here now, and the best I can do is call it like I see it.

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 06, 2018, 12:40:03 PM »
This is so incredibly disappointing. Seriously, I'm not even mad; I'm just disgusted and weary.

Not everything can be discussed productively here, lilywhite.

Perhaps the ethics of male authors using female pen names could be discussed more broadly in a separate thread, where it would not be based on hearsay reports of what this "mastermind" group is doing. If you're interested in OPing such a thread, please drop the mod team a line, and we'll discuss. Obviously, it would be extremely contentious and, thus, a major uptick in moderation load. We would need to be prepared.

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 06, 2018, 12:31:06 PM »
Good for you. You are aware that not everyone is you, right?

Well, we didn't have to look far.

People have the right to know who they are sharing their personal feelings and information with. I suppose you can say they shouldn't have been so naive, but it's a short jump from there to "You shouldn't have worn that dress" or "You shouldn't have had too much to drink." Sell victim-blaming somewhere else; I'm not buying.

Are you seriously trying to turn me writing as a woman and interacting as a woman with fans, into some kind of victim shaming rape related scenario?

I'm going to step in and stop discussion of male authors personifying women, as a broader issue. I have a feeling views of this practice vary tremendously, and if we get into trying to sort it out here, the contentiousness of it will bring down the thread.

Further posts about this particular element of the situation will be deleted. Please contact me or one of the other moderators if you have questions or would like to lodge a complaint.

Folks, there's nothing inherently wrong with a vendor asking happy clients to provide a testimonial. As with any vendor, TCK can be subjected to rigorous questioning; reasonable expressions of disapproval or skepticism are fine. But let's maintain basic courtesy in responding, including giving new members the benefit of the doubt on issues of honesty and good intentions.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Does you need a editor?[sic] I'm available.
« on: January 05, 2018, 10:43:47 PM »
Goodness, blerg et al., looks like we never welcomed you as a vendor! Apologies! Here's our boilerplate ...

You're welcome to promote your business and website here in the Writers' Cafe.

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In your thread here, we ask that the same basic rules be followed as we have for authors in the Book Bazaar: you may have this one thread about your service and must post to it rather than start a new thread each time. New threads about the service will be removed. Please bookmark this thread so that you can find it again when you want to post. You may not make back-to-back posts to the thread within seven days. If someone responds (as I'm doing with this post), you may reply to them, but otherwise you must wait seven days. Any pattern of posting designed to artificially bump your thread to the top of the forum is prohibited. Please note that very short or (one- or two-word) posts with no meaningful information are discouraged and may be deleted at the moderators' discretion. Lastly, your posts and images will need to meet our "forum decorum" guidelines, which is the case for every member.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 05, 2018, 08:03:32 PM »
So PhoenixS actually asked this question of Amazon back in July. It was more carefully worded than David's in this topic and specifically addressed the New Book + Old book 1 + Old book 2... issue. The Customer Support Supervisor's response was unambiguous (I'm going to quote for the people too lazy to go back and read the two relevant posts):Later in the thread it was stated that Amazon was handing out content review notices to people doing this.

Kelli, I agree that Phoenix asked a more multifaceted question that covered several different approaches to stuffing, but the rep (in my reading) missed part of what she was asking. Phoenix asked:


Very plainly, please let me know:

1) whether I will be paid for all the pages read in a book that contains bonus content as created below.

2) if the following examples of creating bonus content are within the Terms & Conditions for Select:

From my personal catalog:
A.) I offer the single title BH, then simply add as a surprise bonus:

B) I offer the single title PH, then add:
HH [oops, edited to abbreviate]

C) I offer the single title NH, then add:

D) I offer the single title TH, then add:
BH (same pen name)
HS (different pen name, different subgenre)
AH  (different pen name, different subgenre)

From the SMP account I manage for another author (she has close to 80 titles available):
A) I include the 504 KENP series starter CH, the 338 KENP series starter LP, and the 265 KENP series starter TRW in ALL 80 titles, adding an extra 1100 KENP pages of content to every title in that catalog.

B) I include a brand new short story not yet published anywhere as an extra bonus incentive at the end of all 80 titles.


The rep answered:


I see that, you would like to combine four of your books "BH," "PH", "NH" and "HH" and publish, where you would submit the books with a single title and offer the other books as bonus content.

If you do so, a customer who is purchasing the books "BH" and "PH" perceiving that he/she purchases two different books, would end up with having the same content in the both the books repeatedly.

Since, this will be considered as duplication of the content, you may not include the other books in the primary content as our KDP Terms and Conditions doesn't allow submitting the duplicate books.

Further, you may certainly include a short story as a bonus content in your book, however you may not include the same story on all the titles in your catalog as the customers who are purchasing different titles from the same publisher will have the same short story as a duplication.


In my reading, the rep has only answered the parts of Phoenix's question that I bolded, skipping over the more complex questions sandwiched between the two simpler ones. The first question the rep answered is the same question David asked -- can you publish two books with identical content in a different order? (Both books contain BH, PH, NH, and HH.)

The second question the rep answered, about adding the same short story to 80 different books, is different from the one David asked and seems to prohibit duplicated bonus content between books, period. This answer seems important to me, and that's what I'd go by if I felt any inclination to add additional bonus material to my books (I already include a glossary and a sample chapter from the next in the series).

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 05, 2018, 05:18:38 PM »
Do you really think that would satisfy those who claim it's not against the TOS?

We did this dance in the last thread. That's why I emailed ECR. And yet... here we are.

If the rep's answer were clear, I do think it'd convince some people, yeah. In any disagreement, there are always some who are open to being convinced. And, of course, some who are not. Seems like your audience is the former group, however small or large it may be.

PMing you something very relevant Becca.

Thanks, will go take a look.

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 05, 2018, 05:05:48 PM »
David, the question you posed to that rep specifically laid out the ABCD-BACD-CABD-DABC version of stuffing, where there's zero unique content among the books -- the content is shuffled but otherwise identical. I think the specificity of the scenario you proposed makes it easy for people to dismiss what that rep said if zero-unique-content is not exactly what they're doing. Do you think the person you communicated with then would be willing to give a clear, quotable ruling on stuffing where there's *some* new content from book to book -- new release stuffed with bonus books from the author's backlist, for instance? Or maybe articulate a limit on total allowable bonus material -- a short story's okay, but a whole novel's too much, for example?

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 05, 2018, 01:49:15 PM »
My sincere apologies, Becca.

Thank you, Myra.

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 05, 2018, 12:48:59 PM »
You are really using some strong language to defend book stuffing, and seem determined to make straw man arguments about what is and isn't being discussed. Maybe you feel guilty, maybe you don't but one doth protest a bit too much...

Myra, this is exactly the kind of thing I asked people not to do in my last post. You can refute bobfrost's position logically, as KelliWolfe does above. That's fine. But everyone here *must* be spoken to civilly, whatever their position on bonus books/stuffing.

Folks, please help us keep this thread open by following our Forum Decorum. Posts must be respectful, courteous, free of insults and name-calling, etc. Doesn't matter whether you're responding to someone you agree with 100% or someone whose position you find utterly repugnant -- the same rules apply.

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 04, 2018, 07:51:21 PM »
Have been out sick today and haven't read this thread at all, so I'm locking to catch up.


Okay, apologies that that took a while. Reopening.

I'm seeing a good discussion overall, but with a dismaying undercurrent of passive-aggressive digs at posters who've questioned or objected to the thread's genius loci. That needs to stop. KB is not an announcement system; it's for conversation, and conversation means interacting civilly with people whose views may not align with your own. Thank you.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon yanking sales ranking after a Bookbub promo
« on: January 03, 2018, 08:01:26 PM »
Folks, Modi's no longer on the thread to defend his views. Let's move on now.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon yanking sales ranking after a Bookbub promo
« on: January 03, 2018, 06:33:13 PM »
Modi, you may not participate further in this thread.

Everyone else, let's move on.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon yanking sales ranking after a Bookbub promo
« on: January 03, 2018, 06:16:12 PM »
I am talking about authors who do Bookbubs at a low price to manipulate a high ranking and take advantage of it in sales at regular prices.  What should we call this manipulation?

Not "manipulation," which is pejorative. In general, I think you've made your point. Others disagree. Plenty of other threads out there.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon yanking sales ranking after a Bookbub promo
« on: January 03, 2018, 05:41:02 PM »
AZ free and discount days do not produce enormous spikes of sales involving hundreds or maybe thousands of sales in one day. The same is true for AMS advertising. Again, the problem is the spike and the lag in the ranking coming down and that the customer is not aware of the spike and thinks the high ranking is a measure of popularity at full price. Authors who do Bookbubs to manipulate a high ranking and take advantage of it in sales at regular prices are essentially scamming the system. So Amazon strips the ranking to prevent the scam.

Modi, given that somewhere between dozens and hundreds of KBoards authors have advertised on Bookbub, not to mention the thousands who've advertised on all the other promotion sites, the above essentially labels vast numbers of your fellow forum members scammers. We don't tolerate name-calling here. No more of this sort of language, please.

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