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Title: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 01, 2016, 01:45:38 PM
Hi, all!  This is the support thread for those of us whose books weren't selected for Kindle Scout. Most of us have, or will be, self-publishing. We'll meet here to support one another and share marketing tips and details about our book launches.

My book, Beyond the Forest, launched (secretly) on October 28th. I'm going public today, and Amazon sent the notification email to those who nominated my book. Let's see what happens next!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: EB on November 01, 2016, 02:20:12 PM
Good luck with your new release. Glad to see you are moving forward & publishing.
I'm a KS reject, too. I will update on my release day plans after I see how things go with my current new release.  8)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Cindy Rinaman Marsch on November 01, 2016, 02:23:04 PM
Hi, all!  This is the support thread for those of us whose books weren't selected for Kindle Scout. Most of us have, or will be, self-publishing. We'll meet here to support one another and share marketing tips and details about our book launches.

My book, Beyond the Forest, launched (secretly) on October 28th. I'm going public today, and Amazon sent the notification email to those who nominated my book. Let's see what happens next!


What a fun idea! Glad to be here, one of the crowd. My campaign was December 5, 2015 - January 5, 2016. I had something like 2400 views (high at the time) and 96% of my time in H&T, plus nice reviews and encouragement. Ah well . . . I may still submit my work-in-progress, a related historical/biographical fiction.

Hi, E.B.!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 01, 2016, 02:26:19 PM
Thanks for starting this thread Kay! I think it will become quite popular. I can't join in quite yet since I have a few more days to go in my KS campaign for Wives of the Saints...But I can already see the writing on the wall as to how that's going to go and have been planning my launch for afterwards. And I'm eager to support other indie writers. Best of luck to you!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 01, 2016, 02:30:01 PM
Kay I'm so delighted you started this thread! Great idea!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 01, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
And I already have a question. I'm getting ready to publish my KS reject and I want to put it up for preorder for 99¢. However, it won't let me price it below 2.99. It is in the KDP program. Have I just not gone far enough in the submission process or do I need to take it out of KDP for preorder? My head hurts.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Evenstar on November 01, 2016, 02:38:45 PM
Ooh me, I gave it a spin and got rejected (shakes fist at Amazon) despite sitting constantly on Hot and Trendy.

I'm just sitting on it now until I have two or three in the series ready to go. But I loved how incredibly supportive the KS thread was and it would be super nice if this thread could be in the same vein and everyone gave just as much support and encouragement for those who didn't get the contract and did it their way instead  ;D
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: brkingsolver on November 01, 2016, 02:46:10 PM
I put a book in when KS first launched and was rejected. Went ahead and released the book, which has never sold squat. Hope your luck is better.


And I already have a question. I'm getting ready to publish my KS reject and I want to put it up for preorder for 99¢. However, it won't let me price it below 2.99. It is in the KDP program. Have I just not gone far enough in the submission process or do I need to take it out of KDP for preorder? My head hurts.
KDP is Kindle Direct Publishing, the only way to self publish on Amazon. I think you may be referring to Kindle Select, which is an optional subscription program where readers can check out your book like from a library and you get paid for page reads. Read the Terms of Service to see what your pricing options are.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 01, 2016, 02:57:28 PM
I put a book in when KS first launched and was rejected. Went ahead and released the book, which has never sold squat. Hope your luck is better.

KDP is Kindle Direct Publishing, the only way to self publish on Amazon. I think you may be referring to Kindle Select, which is an optional subscription program where readers can check out your book like from a library and you get paid for page reads. Read the Terms of Service to see what your pricing options are.

Yes I do mean Kindle Select, sorry, it's almost bedtime and my eyes are crossed.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 01, 2016, 03:00:00 PM
Hi, all!  This is the support thread for those of us whose books weren't selected for Kindle Scout. Most of us have, or will be, self-publishing. We'll meet here to support one another and share marketing tips and details about our book launches.

My book, Beyond the Forest, launched (secretly) on October 28th. I'm going public today, and Amazon sent the notification email to those who nominated my book. Let's see what happens next!

Ooh, Ooh, that's me.  Not selected by KS. 8)

I'm really struggling with learning how to self-publish. It's even taking me a while to format my novel for ebook, let alone CreateSpace. Self-publishing my memoir anthology was so much easier, since it was only 22 pages, and I only did ebook for .99 cents.

Good luck with your launch, Kay. I will check it out when I get a chance.





Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: brkingsolver on November 01, 2016, 03:08:02 PM
Yes I do mean Kindle Select, sorry, it's almost bedtime and my eyes are crossed.
The problem is that you checked 70% royalty, which is only available for books priced between $2.99 and 9.99. To do a 99 cent launch, you have to check the 35% royalty option.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 01, 2016, 03:20:30 PM
The problem is that you checked 70% royalty, which is only available for books priced between $2.99 and 9.99. To do a 99 cent launch, you have to check the 35% royalty option.

Thank you so much! Then on day of launch, can I go back and check 70%?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Joseph J Bailey on November 01, 2016, 05:13:13 PM
I have been successfully rejected by Kindle Scout three times!

I had fun participating, watching how subsequent books in the same series garnered increasing time in Hot and Trending, and crossing my fingers for the final nod from Amazon.

In the end, no matter the votes or the time trending, my quirky dystopian fantasies were rejected.

Here's to successful failures!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: lincolnjcole on November 01, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
And I already have a question. I'm getting ready to publish my KS reject and I want to put it up for preorder for 99¢. However, it won't let me price it below 2.99. It is in the KDP program. Have I just not gone far enough in the submission process or do I need to take it out of KDP for preorder? My head hurts.

you can't price below 2.99 at 70% royalty rate

99 cents is 35% royalty Rate. Amazon is trying to set pricing for eBooks between 2.99 and 9.99 which is why they limit it, so the only way to set 99 cents is to manually set your royalty rate at 35%

A big thing is if you do that, when you mark it up to 2.99 or above, make sure to click back to 70% royalty rate or you'll only get 35%. People do 35% because they don't get charged download fees, which could be a lot if your book is fairly big.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 01, 2016, 08:39:34 PM
And I already have a question. I'm getting ready to publish my KS reject and I want to put it up for preorder for 99¢. However, it won't let me price it below 2.99. It is in the KDP program. Have I just not gone far enough in the submission process or do I need to take it out of KDP for preorder? My head hurts.
You should ask Julie Nichols. I bought her book on pre-order for 99 cents, but the normal price was higher. Maybe KDP has a special deal for preorders.                                                                                                                                                                   
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 01, 2016, 08:49:19 PM
Ooh, Ooh, that's me.  Not selected by KS. 8)

I'm really struggling with learning how to self-publish. It's even taking me a while to format my novel for ebook, let alone CreateSpace. Self-publishing my memoir anthology was so much easier, since it was only 22 pages, and I only did ebook for .99 cents.

Good luck with your launch, Kay. I will check it out when I get a chance.
      Lori, I wouldn't even think about CreateSpace until you get your ebook off the ground. One thing at a time. Good luck.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Out_there on November 01, 2016, 10:07:11 PM
I thought about entering my WIP (when it's done) in Kindle Scout, but after reading about what you need to do to get votes, I realized that it wasn't a good choice for me.

Since most folks aren't picked, what other benefits are there to putting a book in this? Negatives? Thanks.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: loraininflorida on November 01, 2016, 11:42:30 PM
My book was one of the very first books rejected by Kindle Scout! They gave me a $25 gift certificate.  ;D
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: jnicholls on November 02, 2016, 01:52:10 AM
Morning! Thank you Kay for the link and notification about the new page. Love it!! I believe this is going to be very helpful to those who have not had any luck with kindle scout and who are also possibly publishing their first book.♥ Hi to everyone, some of you i know.

Just quickly, I'll tell you that my kindle scout expectations where high but on the release day, i was disappointed. I strongly urge you NOT to put your book up for FREE on release day. You will not achieve anything. The high place you may get because all the kindle scout nominator peeps will snaffle your book, but once you put it up for sale..the ranking you achieved will be lost and you're back to the beginning. Also...the kindle scout nomination peeps want freebies, most of them...and i thought by putting up my book for 99c would help in that they'd think 99c isn't far off from free..but nope.

I'm trying to stay positive about the whole event and by that I mean out of it ive got some fabulous new friends♥
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 02, 2016, 02:27:34 AM
you can't price below 2.99 at 70% royalty rate

99 cents is 35% royalty Rate. Amazon is trying to set pricing for eBooks between 2.99 and 9.99 which is why they limit it, so the only way to set 99 cents is to manually set your royalty rate at 35%

A big thing is if you do that, when you mark it up to 2.99 or above, make sure to click back to 70% royalty rate or you'll only get 35%. People do 35% because they don't get charged download fees, which could be a lot if your book is fairly big.

Thanks (again) for your help, Lincoln!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LeonardDHilleyII on November 02, 2016, 02:32:18 AM
Good luck!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 05:02:10 AM
      Lori, I wouldn't even think about CreateSpace until you get your ebook off the ground. One thing at a time. Good luck.
That's sound advice, since the two processes are so different. I always get the Kindle edition up first, since it was the one from which most of my sales would likely come, though I can see the wisdom of people who do CS first so they can use it to distribute ARC copies and get reviews. Either way, it's better to focus on perfecting one edition, then the other.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 05:04:58 AM
Hi, all!  This is the support thread for those of us whose books weren't selected for Kindle Scout. Most of us have, or will be, self-publishing. We'll meet here to support one another and share marketing tips and details about our book launches.

My book, Beyond the Forest, launched (secretly) on October 28th. I'm going public today, and Amazon sent the notification email to those who nominated my book. Let's see what happens next!
Thanks so much for starting this thread. I just picked up your book, though it may take me a little time to actually read it at this point.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 05:07:51 AM
Thank you so much! Then on day of launch, can I go back and check 70%?
Once you change the price back to $2.99, you can check 70%.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 05:09:28 AM
Ooh, Ooh, that's me.  Not selected by KS. 8)

I'm really struggling with learning how to self-publish. It's even taking me a while to format my novel for ebook, let alone CreateSpace. Self-publishing my memoir anthology was so much easier, since it was only 22 pages, and I only did ebook for .99 cents.

Good luck with your launch, Kay. I will check it out when I get a chance.
I've done several CS books, so I can probably answer format questions relatively easy when the time comes.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 05:13:29 AM
Morning! Thank you Kay for the link and notification about the new page. Love it!! I believe this is going to be very helpful to those who have not had any luck with kindle scout and who are also possibly publishing their first book.♥ Hi to everyone, some of you i know.

Just quickly, I'll tell you that my kindle scout expectations where high but on the release day, i was disappointed. I strongly urge you NOT to put your book up for FREE on release day. You will not achieve anything. The high place you may get because all the kindle scout nominator peeps will snaffle your book, but once you put it up for sale..the ranking you achieved will be lost and you're back to the beginning. Also...the kindle scout nomination peeps want freebies, most of them...and i thought by putting up my book for 99c would help in that they'd think 99c isn't far off from free..but nope.

I'm trying to stay positive about the whole event and by that I mean out of it ive got some fabulous new friends♥
I feel the same way about the friends--best part of the process.

I second the not putting the book out for free part. I am considering the trying a $.99 intro price, which is what I normally do anyway, though your experience does give me pause. I should also check the promos I might want to try in the first thirty days. The ones who promote for reduced price often want the book to have been regular priced for a specific period of time before they'll promote it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 02, 2016, 05:22:55 AM
Once you change the price back to $2.99, you can check 70%.
Thanks Bill! I'm loving this thread with all the KS alumni!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Cindy Rinaman Marsch on November 02, 2016, 05:46:33 AM
Ooh, Ooh, that's me.  Not selected by KS. 8)

I'm really struggling with learning how to self-publish. It's even taking me a while to format my novel for ebook, let alone CreateSpace. Self-publishing my memoir anthology was so much easier, since it was only 22 pages, and I only did ebook for .99 cents.

Good luck with your launch, Kay. I will check it out when I get a chance.


Lori, one of the best things I've done getting started in this business (published January, and I've sold about 2k books and short stories now, and had freebie downloads of about 3k for my short story) was to join the Alliance of Independent Authors. You can read some of their stuff free at their site and on FB (that's how I learned KS had added a general lit category last fall so I did a December campaign), but joining gets you access to their FB group, which is where most of the real nuts-and-bolts help comes. I had one person offer to solve a CS formatting problem I was having, and I wound up doing a proofreading job for her press later - lots of relationships for networking and synergy! If you go to one of my websites linked below and click on the ALLi seal on the bottom to visit the site, if you then join (they have different membership levels), they give me a nice little kickback. Thanks! :-)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 02, 2016, 05:49:52 AM
      Lori, I wouldn't even think about CreateSpace until you get your ebook off the ground. One thing at a time. Good luck.
Actually Ruth--and Lori--I usually publish my CreateSpace book and Kindle version simultaneously. It's not really that hard to do and it's good to have 'hard copy' to sell at local events. Also gets you physically onto library shelves, and it's more impressive to send to the big newspapers and magazines for review.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 02, 2016, 05:58:40 AM
Actually Ruth--and Lori--I usually publish my CreateSpace book and Kindle version simultaneously. It's not really that hard to do and it's good to have 'hard copy' to sell at local events. Also gets you physically onto library shelves, and it's more impressive to send to the big newspapers and magazines for review.

How do you go about getting your book onto library shelves?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 06:24:10 AM
Lori, one of the best things I've done getting started in this business (published January, and I've sold about 2k books and short stories now, and had freebie downloads of about 3k for my short story) was to join the Alliance of Independent Authors. You can read some of their stuff free at their site and on FB (that's how I learned KS had added a general lit category last fall so I did a December campaign), but joining gets you access to their FB group, which is where most of the real nuts-and-bolts help comes. I had one person offer to solve a CS formatting problem I was having, and I wound up doing a proofreading job for her press later - lots of relationships for networking and synergy! If you go to one of my websites linked below and click on the ALLi seal on the bottom to visit the site, if you then join (they have different membership levels), they give me a nice little kickback. Thanks! :-)
That's a great tip, Cindy. I haven't got too much time to explore all the resources available right now, but I just joined, and I'm looking forward to checking it out in more detail in the future.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Cindy Rinaman Marsch on November 02, 2016, 06:33:24 AM
How do you go about getting your book onto library shelves?

Michele, Self-E is the one I know about, but I know an author who has put her work into that program and had tens of thousands of downloads to libraries, but no money from any of that, and little buy-through. As she says, library patrons are not necessarily book buyers - it's a different segment of the population.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Cindy Rinaman Marsch on November 02, 2016, 06:34:50 AM
Actually Ruth--and Lori--I usually publish my CreateSpace book and Kindle version simultaneously. It's not really that hard to do and it's good to have 'hard copy' to sell at local events. Also gets you physically onto library shelves, and it's more impressive to send to the big newspapers and magazines for review.

Or publish the ebook first, then let it simmer while you wrestle with the paperback formatting and such. I got my paperback out a month after the ebook, and I think it helped sales of both. At least it gave me something else to talk about to get the word out. :-)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 02, 2016, 06:38:13 AM
Michele, Self-E is the one I know about, but I know an author who has put her work into that program and had tens of thousands of downloads to libraries, but no money from any of that, and little buy-through. As she says, library patrons are not necessarily book buyers - it's a different segment of the population.

Thanks Cindy, I'll look into this!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: evdarcy on November 02, 2016, 06:45:42 AM
//Waves

KS reject here too!  I published one book, highest rank was 6k UK and just over 2k on the .Com.  I've decided to go wide across all retailers now, before I have a backlist. That probably sounds so strange to most, but the reason being is that I believe that Amazon is not the be all and end all. I believe that if iBooks sorts out web access to their book store they could easily over take the zon (and I don't even like Apple!).

Anyway, I decided I'd rather try and make it in the whole ocean than in a sea... After all there's more room in the Ocean!

My second book is due the end of December and I'm not bothering with KS again.  I don't actually think it's worth much -- even though it did generate a few of my earlier sales.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 02, 2016, 06:53:14 AM
//Waves

KS reject here too!  I published one book, highest rank was 6k UK and just over 2k on the .Com.  I've decided to go wide across all retailers now, before I have a backlist. That probably sounds so strange to most, but the reason being is that I believe that Amazon is not the be all and end all. I believe that if iBooks sorts out web access to their book store they could easily over take the zon (and I don't even like Apple!).

Anyway, I decided I'd rather try and make it in the whole ocean than in a sea... After all there's more room in the Ocean!

My second book is due the end of December and I'm not bothering with KS again.  I don't actually think it's worth much -- even though it did generate a few of my earlier sales.

Waves right back>>
I too don't think I'd do Kindle Scout again. The campaigning was time consuming and I'd just rather write and release. I'm thinking of going wide eventually but for now I'll stay with Kindle Select until I have more out there.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 07:03:55 AM
Lori, one of the best things I've done getting started in this business (published January, and I've sold about 2k books and short stories now, and had freebie downloads of about 3k for my short story) was to join the Alliance of Independent Authors. You can read some of their stuff free at their site and on FB (that's how I learned KS had added a general lit category last fall so I did a December campaign), but joining gets you access to their FB group, which is where most of the real nuts-and-bolts help comes. I had one person offer to solve a CS formatting problem I was having, and I wound up doing a proofreading job for her press later - lots of relationships for networking and synergy! If you go to one of my websites linked below and click on the ALLi seal on the bottom to visit the site, if you then join (they have different membership levels), they give me a nice little kickback. Thanks! :-)
Cindy, a quick question about ALLi. I was creating my profile info and noticed the books section. When the form asks for book info, that's like a short teaser, or is the expectation greater than that? I thought I should be able to look at samples easily enough, but I can't figure out where I'd even see other members' profiles. (There is a mention that the profile is public, but no sign of any kind of display; I was expecting a directory or something like that. Maybe inputting book information isn't really that important. I can't tell.)

Also, since the organization is international, would something like booklinker links be a good choice for purchase URL, or does that not work in their system? (Booklinker redirects readers to the correct Amazon store for their area.)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 02, 2016, 07:10:04 AM
Cindy, a quick question about ALLi. I was creating my profile info and noticed the books section. When the form asks for book info, that's like a short teaser, or is the expectation greater than that? I thought I should be able to look at samples easily enough, but I can't figure out where I'd even see other members' profiles. (There is a mention that the profile is public, but no sign of any kind of display; I was expecting a directory or something like that. Maybe inputting book information isn't really that important. I can't tell.)

Also, since the organization is international, would something like booklinker links be a good choice for purchase URL, or does that not work in their system? (Booklinker redirects readers to the correct Amazon store for their area.)
Thanks Bill! You are a trove of useful information. Never heard of Booklinker. So now that I've learned 2 new things today (Booklinker and Self-E) I guess I can go to bed for the day. Even though it's only 2pm.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 07:19:11 AM
Thanks Bill! You are a trove of useful information. Never heard of Booklinker. So now that I've learned 2 new things today (Booklinker and Self-E) I guess I can go to bed for the day. Even though it's only 2pm.
Booklinker is free, and it also provides stats by country on how many clicks you get. Thought most of mine are in the US anyway, a good-sized group (on some books 20% or more) are in other countries for which a .com link isn't going to be helpful. I figure it might be one small way to encourage international sales, since in my experience every additional click a potential buyer has to make creates a greater likelihood they won't get all the way there. A really motivated buyer will switch to his or her country's store to make the purchase, but someone a little less motivated may not.

If you make a lot of use of your author page on Amazon, Booklinker also creates universal links for those as well.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 02, 2016, 07:22:48 AM
Got my second rejection from Scout today, so I feel like a battered Scout Warrior.

Is there anyone out there who has had a successful launch and can offer advice? I've been through the forums and the methods seem to vary. I'm thinking of putting the book on pre-sale just to get the ASIN, then running an AMS ad for it, then trying to get bargainbooksy or something for when the book goes live. Was toying with the idea of having the presale at .99 then going to 2.99 or 3.99 after launch.

I'm also very much on the fence about going into Select now with all the problems that have been reported with no news on the horizon as to when it'll get fixed.

All other books I've had, I just literally hit the publish button and let it go.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 07:31:14 AM
Waves right back>>
I too don't think I'd do Kindle Scout again. The campaigning was time consuming and I'd just rather write and release. I'm thinking of going wide eventually but for now I'll stay with Kindle Select until I have more out there.
I think I'm going to give Kindle Scout at least one more shot. The campaign was time-consuming for me, too, but now that I'm pretty sure the stats don't really matter, I might just use Lexi Revellian's set-it-and-forget-it model. I'd lose the benefit of extra sales from nominators perhaps (though that doesn't seem to be panning out for everyone), but I'd gain back the time and nervous energy (and advertising) I poured into the campaign.

The latest Author Earning Report shows Amazon Imprints as the fastest growing segment of Amazon's US ebook sales. Such a finding suggests that Amazon's promotion of Scout books (which are most of the new Amazon imprint titles) is effective. The Scout authors also seem to be happy with their results. Since the waiting period including the campaign is only five weeks at most, that's not a significant release delay, and it seems worth it for the easiest access to trad publishing anyone is ever likely to offer.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: editorjmv on November 02, 2016, 07:44:48 AM
I, too, was not selected after a Kindle Scout campaign this past March. I then published my science fiction novel, Modern Surprises, on Kindle and CreateSpace. I had some sales at first, but no sales lately.

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 07:46:35 AM
Got my second rejection from Scout today, so I feel like a battered Scout Warrior.

Is there anyone out there who has had a successful launch and can offer advice? I've been through the forums and the methods seem to vary. I'm thinking of putting the book on pre-sale just to get the ASIN, then running an AMS ad for it, then trying to get bargainbooksy or something for when the book goes live. Was toying with the idea of having the presale at .99 then going to 2.99 or 3.99 after launch.

I'm also very much on the fence about going into Select now with all the problems that have been reported with no news on the horizon as to when it'll get fixed.

All other books I've had, I just literally hit the publish button and let it go.
I'm so sorry to hear that your book wasn't accepted--though it doesn't shake my confidence you will be very successful at some point.

Here's a link I bookmarked about promo sites that will take new releases: http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,236763.0.html It has a lot of information.

I haven't done preorders before, but I always have started out with a $.99 intro price, and that does seem to encourage sales.

AMS ads work, though they take experimentation to stay within reasonable costs but still generate enough clicks to get sales. They do move books, though.

I have tried online release parties (Facebook events), and I have mixed feelings. The first couple I did definitely boosted sales and early reviews. The last one didn't, and I haven't tried since. It is a bit of a cash investment, since the most common ways to get people to engage are games with prizes and small giveaways.

Fun fact: if you do an FB release party, there's a way to have your guests interact with the book characters! You can create an FB page for a fictional character. If you then make any character pages cosponsors of event, those pages can post as if they were real people. It does create an interesting effect. If you don't go the release party route, you can use the same technique on your author page and sometimes post as your characters. Depending on your audience, that can sometimes give engagement and the book you're advertising a little boost.

I haven't tried this, but I've known people who did a reading of the first part of their book and posted the result on YouTube. (The visual is usually a montage with the cover and other suitable images.) They claim to have gotten some extra traffic that way, and it doesn't cost anything.

As far as Select is concerned, I firmly believe every author should experiment. Some people make almost no sales outside Amazon, but some people make significant sales that way. I've tried going wide twice, and both times I made less in a year on all the other outlets than I make in one month through KU (even currently wonky KU). However, I know other people who get 20 or 30% of their income from other sites, in some cases even more.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 07:48:32 AM
I, too, was not selected after a Kindle Scout campaign this past March. I then published my science fiction novel, Modern Surprises, on Kindle and CreateSpace. I had some sales at first, but no sales lately.

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Yes, I often liken selling books to mining. It feels as if you have to dig every single sale out of the rocks. I've found that if I'm not promoting almost constantly, I'm not selling.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 02, 2016, 08:31:53 AM
WOW! Lots of activity here! I guess starting this thread WAS a good idea!

Update: Day 1 of "going public." My KS notification email went out yesterday at 4:17 PM EDT. I got a whopping three sales last night, all of which could have come from my FB post announcing that my book is available, since I included the link.

This morning I resurrected my CoPromote account, which I used exactly once, the last day of my KS campaign. I added Bill and Michele B and a few others here.

My paperback proof copy arrived this morning and the book looks good, but the cover is darker than I expected. I'm not sure if there's anyway I can alter that, as Createspace uses a PDF file for the cover art.

As for how the artwork appears online, my sister Marie, the tech-savvy member of the family, lightened the cover by 40% for the eBook version, and if you look on Amazon and compare the Kindle and paperback versions, the paperback is darker and rather hard to see in thumbnail size. I doubt I can do anything about that either, but most potential buyers will be looking at the eBook version.

When I look at a large version of the original artwork on my computer it doesn't seem too dark, and the detail is much sharper than on the paperback cover. I spent a lot of money on this cover art, so it's a bit disappointing. The scene shown on the cover occurs at night, so I wanted it to be sort of dark, but not so dark you can't appreciate the details.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 02, 2016, 08:34:55 AM
Thanks so much for starting this thread. I just picked up your book, though it may take me a little time to actually read it at this point.

Thanks Bill! I know you already have a daunting reading list ahead of you!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: editorjmv on November 02, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Yes, I often liken selling books to mining. It feels as if you have to dig every single sale out of the rocks. I've found that if I'm not promoting almost constantly, I'm not selling.

And I have found that even if you do promote yourself constantly, you still can have zero sales.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 08:44:35 AM
WOW! Lots of activity here! I guess starting this thread WAS a good idea!

Update: Day 1 of "going public." My KS notification email went out yesterday at 4:17 PM EDT. I got a whopping three sales last night, all of which could have come from my FB post announcing that my book is available, since I included the link.

This morning I resurrected my CoPromote account, which I used exactly once, the last day of my KS campaign. I added Bill and Michele B and a few others here.

My paperback proof copy arrived this morning and the book looks good, but the cover is darker than I expected. I'm not sure if there's anyway I can alter that, as Createspace uses a PDF file for the cover art.

As for how the artwork appears online, my sister Marie, the tech-savvy member of the family, lightened the cover by 40% for the eBook version, and if you look on Amazon and compare the Kindle and paperback versions, the paperback is darker and rather hard to see in thumbnail size. I doubt I can do anything about that either, but most potential buyers will be looking at the eBook version.

When I look at a large version of the original artwork on my computer it doesn't seem too dark, and the detail is much sharper than on the paperback cover. I spent a lot of money on this cover art, so it's a bit disappointing. The scene shown on the cover occurs at night, so I wanted it to be sort of dark, but not so dark you can't appreciate the details.
I was surprised with some of my early covers being darker than I thought. Looking at a design on the computer screen is different than seeing the same design implemented in the real world with real ink. (The layers produce an unavoidable darkening.

Lightening the image you send to them might help, but you'd probably have to experiement--which means more proof copies--to get exactly the right effect.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Evenstar on November 02, 2016, 09:34:52 AM
I found the Scout campaign very emotionally draining. I was exhausted by the end of it! I just don't like asking for votes, and then having gotten a bucket load I still didnt get picked. I was lucky to start out in a strong position in that I already have a large engaged mailing list. So I emailed them at a rate of 200 people per day right the way through my campaign. That enabled me to always stay on the H&T list because I know a huge amount of them voted. I feel a lot of sympathy for people who don't already have a fan base and have to scramble on facebook etc to let people know about their campaign. If you are an introvert like me (and I think a lot of writers are) then it really is draining.  I just don't think I could go through it again. Not unless I just set and forget, but that defeats the point of the "campaign".
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: ZivGray on November 02, 2016, 09:53:48 AM
I was surprised with some of my early covers being darker than I thought. Looking at a design on the computer screen is different than seeing the same design implemented in the real world with real ink. (The layers produce an unavoidable darkening.

Lightening the image you send to them might help, but you'd probably have to experiement--which means more proof copies--to get exactly the right effect.

I just received my proof copy of Rise of the Darkwitch today and it was a lot darker than I anticipated. I think I'll do as you suggest and lighten the image. It's worth ordering multiple proofs to ensure the reader ends up with a quality product.

Also, I'm a Kindle Scout reject, too! It was hectic keeping on top of the campaign, but I mostly wanted to do it to make some noise about my book release, which was on Monday. I've shifted more copies already than I anticipated, which is great! Not loads, but more than I expected.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: AliceS on November 02, 2016, 10:04:54 AM
My Scout submission was the first in a new series. It isn't selling very well right now and I don't have enough reviews to buy the better promo sites yet. My other series is finally going great after the release of book 3. I'm going to take that as a lesson learned about series. I will do a little bit of promotion on book 1, but I will wait to push it until book 2 is ready next spring.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 10:37:47 AM
I just received my proof copy of Rise of the Darkwitch today and it was a lot darker than I anticipated. I think I'll do as you suggest and lighten the image. It's worth ordering multiple proofs to ensure the reader ends up with a quality product.

Also, I'm a Kindle Scout reject, too! It was hectic keeping on top of the campaign, but I mostly wanted to do it to make some noise about my book release, which was on Monday. I've shifted more copies already than I anticipated, which is great! Not loads, but more than I expected.
Your book appears to be doing reasonably well for a new release. If you're not advertising in any other way right now, it would be reasonable to attribute some portion of your sales to the people exposed to your book during the Scout campaign.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: ZivGray on November 02, 2016, 10:44:36 AM
Your book appears to be doing reasonably well for a new release. If you're not advertising in any other way right now, it would be reasonable to attribute some portion of your sales to the people exposed to your book during the Scout campaign.

I think that's exactly the case. I'm not advertising anywhere apart from periodic postings on my Facebook and Twitter. I need to get some other advertising in place, but my hands are a little tied financially. I'll have to think very carefully about where I spend the limited money I have.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 11:08:50 AM
I think that's exactly the case. I'm not advertising anywhere apart from periodic postings on my Facebook and Twitter. I need to get some other advertising in place, but my hands are a little tied financially. I'll have to think very carefully about where I spend the limited money I have.
We could start thinking about cross promotional things to do. There are probably a lot of people who don't have enormous advertising budgets, and there seem to be a fair number of authors involved here, at least some with compatible genres.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: ZivGray on November 02, 2016, 11:14:15 AM
We could start thinking about cross promotional things to do. There are probably a lot of people who don't have enormous advertising budgets, and there seem to be a fair number of authors involved here, at least some with compatible genres.

You know, I'd love to read and review books on my blog for other authors for free. It's something I've been thinking of for a while. Perhaps others who haven't made it to Kindle Scout either? Might be an idea...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 02, 2016, 12:40:46 PM
What a fun idea! Glad to be here, one of the crowd. My campaign was December 5, 2015 - January 5, 2016. I had something like 2400 views (high at the time) and 96% of my time in H&T, plus nice reviews and encouragement. Ah well . . . I may still submit my work-in-progress, a related historical/biographical fiction.

Does your biographical fiction chronicle your doings in Slimy Pebble?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 02, 2016, 12:43:17 PM
You know, I'd love to read and review books on my blog for other authors for free. It's something I've been thinking of for a while. Perhaps others who haven't made it to Kindle Scout either? Might be an idea...
Yes, that's a possibility worth exploring.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: EB on November 02, 2016, 12:49:09 PM
What a fun idea! Glad to be here, one of the crowd. My campaign was December 5, 2015 - January 5, 2016. I had something like 2400 views (high at the time) and 96% of my time in H&T, plus nice reviews and encouragement. Ah well . . . I may still submit my work-in-progress, a related historical/biographical fiction.

Hi, E.B.!

Hi Cindy!! Nice to "see" you!!  8)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 02, 2016, 01:06:25 PM
That's sound advice, since the two processes are so different. I always get the Kindle edition up first, since it was the one from which most of my sales would likely come, though I can see the wisdom of people who do CS first so they can use it to distribute ARC copies and get reviews. Either way, it's better to focus on perfecting one edition, then the other.
That's what I do. I get my createspace book formatted first. Here's why: I go through the proof process, and select Amazon as my only sales channel. Then when it populates to Amazon US a day later, I remove the sales channel. This allows me to send out electronic ARCs, and people can leave reviews under the paperback that Amazon lists as "unavailable" before my "official" launch date.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 02, 2016, 01:11:35 PM
My paperback proof copy arrived this morning and the book looks good, but the cover is darker than I expected. I'm not sure if there's anyway I can alter that, as Createspace uses a PDF file for the cover art.
If you're using Photoshop to build your CS cover, be sure to do your work in CMYK mode instead of RGB mode. Also, use the PDF-x 2001 profile, since that's the profile preferred by CS & LSI.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 02, 2016, 01:12:55 PM
How do you go about getting your book onto library shelves?
well, I sign the book up with Biblioboard, which is connected with Library Journal. This may be a US thing only, but they will get the ebook into your state's libraries, then some libraries will buy a hard copy. Not all, but some...I also do a co-op ad in Publishers' weekly's library issue; not cheap but I have had good response to that;a lot of the winners in my Goodreads giveaway were public libraries; and finally I do try to donate copies to local libraries, although not all will take them...Since my book has no clear cut genre, I have to market it a little differently than most, and libraries are an important market for me.

Oh, almost forgot: I do the NetGalley ARC thing and a huge number of those reviewers are...guess what, public librarians!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 02, 2016, 01:18:32 PM
WOW! Lots of activity here! I guess starting this thread WAS a good idea!

Update: Day 1 of "going public." My KS notification email went out yesterday at 4:17 PM EDT. I got a whopping three sales last night, all of which could have come from my FB post announcing that my book is available, since I included the link.

This morning I resurrected my CoPromote account, which I used exactly once, the last day of my KS campaign. I added Bill and Michele B and a few others here.

My paperback proof copy arrived this morning and the book looks good, but the cover is darker than I expected. I'm not sure if there's anyway I can alter that, as Createspace uses a PDF file for the cover art.

As for how the artwork appears online, my sister Marie, the tech-savvy member of the family, lightened the cover by 40% for the eBook version, and if you look on Amazon and compare the Kindle and paperback versions, the paperback is darker and rather hard to see in thumbnail size. I doubt I can do anything about that either, but most potential buyers will be looking at the eBook version.

When I look at a large version of the original artwork on my computer it doesn't seem too dark, and the detail is much sharper than on the paperback cover. I spent a lot of money on this cover art, so it's a bit disappointing. The scene shown on the cover occurs at night, so I wanted it to be sort of dark, but not so dark you can't appreciate the details.
In regards to your cover being darker, I had this same issue with my first book with CS. After back and forth with CS and my book cover designer, I discovered that with each printing there may be color variations. Basically it depends who's at the wheel. I had copies here (from different printings) with tonal variations. It drove me mad. But my cover designer said that sometimes happened.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 02, 2016, 02:42:03 PM
That's what I do. I get my createspace book formatted first. Here's why: I go through the proof process, and select Amazon as my only sales channel. Then when it populates to Amazon US a day later, I remove the sales channel. This allows me to send out electronic ARCs, and people can leave reviews under the paperback that Amazon lists as "unavailable" before my "official" launch date.

I've heard of others using this method. Clever!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 02, 2016, 02:45:03 PM
If you're using Photoshop to build your CS cover, be sure to do your work in CMYK mode instead of RGB mode. Also, use the PDF-x 2001 profile, since that's the profile preferred by CS & LSI.

That's all Greek to me, I know the uploaded cover art was a PDF file. The art work was done by a professional artist, and a graphic designer added the title, author name and blurb etc. I'm sure the file was correct, but the artwork was on the dark side to begin with, and the publication process apparently makes it even darker.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 02, 2016, 02:48:57 PM
In regards to your cover being darker, I had this same issue with my first book with CS. After back and forth with CS and my book cover designer, I discovered that with each printing there may be color variations. Basically it depends who's at the wheel. I had copies here (from different printings) with tonal variations. It drove me mad. But my cover designer said that sometimes happened.

It's good to know this is a common problem. For my next cover, I'll keep that in mind and make sure I go with something lighter toned.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 02, 2016, 09:56:45 PM
Oh Boy, the amount of info here is priceless. I just have no idea what 90% of this stuff is. Hopefully, I will get the time to figure it all out. Had a bit of vacation time this week, and now watching our hometown Cubs WIN THE WORLD SERIES! :D

Thank you Cindy & Bill for addressing me with your tidbits of help.

My head is spinning from all this info, but I'm grateful.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 03, 2016, 06:17:29 AM
Day 2 post-Kindle Scout notification email. Not many sales, but I'll give it a few more days before officially pronouncing Kindle Scout a bust as far as converting nominations to sales. I posted "available now" on FB with a large cover art photo, and if anyone is feeling generous and wants to share my post, I'd appreciate it. Say the word and I'll share one of yours.

So, here's my innovative marketing strategy for today. I'll let you know if it works. I searched twitter for people who make jewelry or sell gems, specifically targeting aventurine. My book is about gems with arcane powers, and the book opens with Lana in the family jewelry store, and a customer with an aventurine bracelet. I need to target female readers, people who like fantasy novels, and people who are interested in gems. Ideally, I'll find people who weren't shopping for a book, but mine may capture their interest.   
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 07:02:59 AM
Day 2 post-Kindle Scout notification email. Not many sales, but I'll give it a few more days before officially pronouncing Kindle Scout a bust as far as converting nominations to sales. I posted "available now" on FB with a large cover art photo, and if anyone is feeling generous and wants to share my post, I'd appreciate it. Say the word and I'll share one of yours.

So, here's my innovative marketing strategy for today. I'll let you know if it works. I searched twitter for people who make jewelry or sell gems, specifically targeting aventurine. My book is about gems with arcane powers, and the book opens with Lana in the family jewelry store, and a customer with an aventurine bracelet. I need to target female readers, people who like fantasy novels, and people who are interested in gems. Ideally, I'll find people who weren't shopping for a book, but mine may capture their interest.
That's an interesting strategy. I tried something similar with my first book. It's set in an imaginary town near Santa Barbara, so I made a video teaser talking about the growing menace near Santa Barbara, put it up on YouTube, and ran an ad campaign directed at SB zip codes. Lost of views, no sales. Sigh!

As for the FB post, can you give us a link? (I'm too lazy to search for it!)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 03, 2016, 07:11:12 AM
I don't know how to link to the actual post, but it's the pinned post on my FB author page.

https://www.facebook.com/KayLLing.author
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 08:05:15 AM
I don't know how to link to the actual post, but it's the pinned post on my FB author page.

https://www.facebook.com/KayLLing.author
Actually, I'm reminded that I couldn't figure out the link for an individual post either! Anyway, I just shared yours.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 03, 2016, 08:12:30 AM
Actually, I'm reminded that I couldn't figure out the link for an individual post either! Anyway, I just shared yours.

Thanks a million! I REALLY appreciate it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 08:24:41 AM
You know, I'd love to read and review books on my blog for other authors for free. It's something I've been thinking of for a while. Perhaps others who haven't made it to Kindle Scout either? Might be an idea...
I've been thinking about the idea, and I still like it in some ways, but it could be awkward unless it is arranged loosely. In other words, I'd encourage everyone here to read the books of other authors here and do reviews of them on their blogs if they liked them. I would not encourage "You review mine, and I'll review yours," even in a blog situation, because there is always the possibility someone will read a book and actually not like it. Then things can really get weird fast...

What does work without that kind of awkwardness, though, is a pay-it-forward approach. If someone here reviews your book on a blog, make a point of reviewing the book of some thread member on your blog, but not necessarily the person who reviewed you. With all the books we have to choose from, you could surely find some book you liked in that situation.

The same approach can work for customer reviews on Amazon. Obviously, review swaps are banned, and for good reason, but customer reviews can also be paid forward: if someone reviews you, you make a point of finding a book you like and reviewing it when you can. (If you review on Amazon, it's good practice to indicate you know the author involved. None of us are close friends, but it's always good to have full disclosure.)

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 08:48:17 AM
Here's another cross promotion idea. I'm really a big supporter of cross promotional anthologies. That's a way of introducing ourselves to each other's fan bases. It does take someone to coordinate it, and in the short term I'm too busy, but it could be worthwhile. A thematically based anthology can allow for the inclusion of different genres, and using a short form like flash fiction can make it easier for people to participate.

I'll share my experience with George Donnelly's Halloween flash fiction anthology, Monster Maelstrom. (FYI, he's planning a series of such anthologies, and they're very worthwhile.) The idea was purely promotional, so the anthology was wide and permafree (Amazon price-matched within a day.) The anthology had significant downloads, at one point hitting 596 in the free store, as well as doing well in some of the international stores. Barnes and Noble stats looked good. It garnered one review on Google Play and several at Goodreads. It still seems to holding up well after Halloween, with top ten rankings in two subcategories.

Prior to Halloween, my own sales experienced two spikes, and I had one huge burst of KU activity. I was also getting more international sales. I've had sales in the UK, France, and Germany before, but seldom all three in the same month. I not only had sales in all three, but also in Canada and India (where I virtually never sell), and I picked up my first sale in Italy. All of this could be coincidence, but I think at least some of it comes from the anthology.

(By the way, George's Christmas anthology is still open if anyone is interested. http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,241013.0.html (http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,241013.0.html) That one will be out in permafree ebook and paperback.)

While I wouldn't want to just copy George's holiday emphasis, there are several ways to create thematic collections. "Stories to read when you're___" (collections geared to a particular emotion) is just one example.

Is everyone who reads such an anthology going to become the fan of every author in it? No, of course not. However, since participation would involve no cost (except the time), it's pretty good free advertising. When the figures are in, I imagine my story will have been seen by at least a few hundred people who would never have had my stuff otherwise. Even a few sales would make it worthwhile, and conceivably one could get more than that. (Over time I think the downloads on that Halloween one will go into the thousands.)

Now, logistics. I am simultaneously involved in about four projects right now, so even though it's my idea, I can't be the coordinator for it now (though perhaps in a few months I could do one). If someone else is willing to take point, though, I am willing to contribute the cost of the cover, and I should be able to contribute at least a little time to help with editing--if we decide to do this, we want the resulting product to be good quality.

By the way, the anthology doesn't need to be limited to just us. We could start another thread and solicit submissions if we wanted. (The coordinator/editor would have to screen.)

Obviously, this couldn't happen instantly, but what do you think of it as an idea for the future?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 03, 2016, 09:03:28 AM
Here's another cross promotion idea. I'm really a big supporter of cross promotional anthologies. That's a way of introducing ourselves to each other's fan bases. It does take someone to coordinate it, and in the short term I'm too busy, but it could be worthwhile. A thematically based anthology can allow for the inclusion of different genres, and using a short form like flash fiction can make it easier for people to participate.

I'll share my experience with George Donnelly's Halloween flash fiction anthology, Monster Maelstrom. (FYI, he's planning a series of such anthologies, and they're very worthwhile.) The idea was purely promotional, so the anthology was wide and permafree (Amazon price-matched within a day.) The anthology had significant downloads, at one point hitting 596 in the free store, as well as doing well in some of the international stores. Barnes and Noble stats looked good. It garnered one review on Google Play and several at Goodreads. It still seems to holding up well after Halloween, with top ten rankings in two subcategories.

Prior to Halloween, my own sales experienced two spikes, and I had one huge burst of KU activity. I was also getting more international sales. I've had sales in the UK, France, and Germany before, but seldom all three in the same month. I not only had sales in all three, but also in Canada and India (where I virtually never sell), and I picked up my first sale in Italy. All of this could be coincidence, but I think at least some of it comes from the anthology.

(By the way, George's Christmas anthology is still open if anyone is interested. http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,241013.0.html (http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,241013.0.html) That one will be out in permafree ebook and paperback.)

While I wouldn't want to just copy George's holiday emphasis, there are several ways to create thematic collections. "Stories to read when you're___" (collections geared to a particular emotion) is just one example.

Is everyone who reads such an anthology going to become the fan of every author in it? No, of course not. However, since participation would involve no cost (except the time), it's pretty good free advertising. When the figures are in, I imagine my story will have been seen by at least a few hundred people who would never have had my stuff otherwise. Even a few sales would make it worthwhile, and conceivably one could get more than that. (Over time I think the downloads on that Halloween one will go into the thousands.)

Now, logistics. I am simultaneously involved in about four projects right now, so even though it's my idea, I can't be the coordinator for it now (though perhaps in a few months I could do one). If someone else is willing to take point, though, I am willing to contribute the cost of the cover, and I should be able to contribute at least a little time to help with editing--if we decide to do this, we want the resulting product to be good quality.

By the way, the anthology doesn't need to be limited to just us. We could start another thread and solicit submissions if we wanted. (The coordinator/editor would have to screen.)

Obviously, this couldn't happen instantly, but what do you think of it as an idea for the future?
I'm all in on this idea. I'm supposed to be a part of my first cross promo in late December, and I love the idea of it! Unfortunately, I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about how to do this sort of thing, so I think the organization would go to someone better up to the task.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 03, 2016, 09:27:40 AM
Day 2 post-Kindle Scout notification email. Not many sales, but I'll give it a few more days before officially pronouncing Kindle Scout a bust as far as converting nominations to sales. I posted "available now" on FB with a large cover art photo, and if anyone is feeling generous and wants to share my post, I'd appreciate it. Say the word and I'll share one of yours.

So, here's my innovative marketing strategy for today. I'll let you know if it works. I searched twitter for people who make jewelry or sell gems, specifically targeting aventurine. My book is about gems with arcane powers, and the book opens with Lana in the family jewelry store, and a customer with an aventurine bracelet. I need to target female readers, people who like fantasy novels, and people who are interested in gems. Ideally, I'll find people who weren't shopping for a book, but mine may capture their interest.   
Kay, I'm about 30% through your book (despite getting my book ready to launch & doing NaNoWriMo) and I am loving it! All the detail about the different gems with arcane powers is amazing. I never heard of some of these gems but I'm going to be on the look out for some aventurine. Well done, you!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 03, 2016, 10:06:59 AM
Kay, I'm about 30% through your book (despite getting my book ready to launch & doing NaNoWriMo) and I am loving it! All the detail about the different gems with arcane powers is amazing. I never heard of some of these gems but I'm going to be on the look out for some aventurine. Well done, you!

Thanks! I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it. It's a long book, so it no one is likely to describe it as a "quick read." 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 10:07:46 AM
I'm all in on this idea. I'm supposed to be a part of my first cross promo in late December, and I love the idea of it! Unfortunately, I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about how to do this sort of thing, so I think the organization would go to someone better up to the task.
For anyone who might be interested, the setup does take work, but not particularly special skills. It's easy as long as the anthology is permafree, since no money is involved. (Dealing with dividing the money if there were any is a whole separate complication.)

Collectively, all those interested would need to agree on a theme or other unifying idea. Once that's done, we'd spin that part off to a different thread if we were soliciting submissions generally, or maybe just keep it here if not. (The more people involved, though, the more marketing push we could put behind the anthology.

Someone (or several someones) need to edit the accepted submissions to make sure everything is as good as it can get.

I'll take care of getting the cover.

Someone needs to actually submit to all the outlets. It would make sense if that person were the coordinator/editor, but hypothetically it could be someone else. It would be easier if it were someone who already had a relationship with an aggregator (like Smashwords or D2D) to facilitate distribution to other outlets.

There are a few other minor things, but basically those are major tasks. Some of them can be handled by different people rather than having all of them done by one person.

I need to disappear for a few hours to finish (hopefully) the proofing for Different Lee, but I'll check back later. :)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 03, 2016, 10:54:13 AM
Well, since I'm so behind on figuring out all this overwhelming stuff for publishing, I went ahead and shared your novel on fb and twitter, Kay.

I'm so confused about everything. I don't even know where to begin. I've been putting the word out for my memoir anthology while I'm trying to figure out formatting and publication for my novel. The anthology is a quick, uplifting read.

I read about Kathy's use of NetGalley. Does that cost much to join?

It sounds like I'm going to need to buy PhotoShop to upload my book cover to CreateSpace.

Ugh. My head is spinning.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 11:01:37 AM
Well, since I'm so behind on figuring out all this overwhelming stuff for publishing, I went ahead and shared your novel on fb and twitter, Kay.

I'm so confused about everything. I don't even know where to begin. I've been putting the word out for my memoir anthology while I'm trying to figure out formatting and publication for my novel. The anthology is a quick, uplifting read.

I read about Kathy's use of NetGalley. Does that cost much to join?

It sounds like I'm going to need to buy PhotoShop to upload my book cover to CreateSpace.

Ugh. My head is spinning.
Lori, I use Photoshop, but the truth is any decent graphics program can probably do what you need.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 03, 2016, 11:06:21 AM
I read about Kathy's use of NetGalley. Does that cost much to join?

It sounds like I'm going to need to buy PhotoShop to upload my book cover to CreateSpace.
NetGalley is expensive if you go it alone. Do a forums search for "NetGalley co-op" and you can get a month usually for under $100.

If you do get Photoshop, remember that the creative cloud version is only $29 for one month. If you can get everything figured out and implemented, then your Photoshop cost is only the $29, but you could also probably get someone who has Photoshop and some experience to format your finished flattened image into a format that's compatible with CS and LSI for less.

I was fortunate in that I was able to use an advance years ago to purchase the full Creative Suite 5. I'd like to upgrade, but I'd personally rather license the software outright, than pay a monthly fee.

Finally, if you do some looking, you could purchase an older version of Photoshop for real cheap, and just run the thing.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 03, 2016, 11:29:07 AM
Well, since I'm so behind on figuring out all this overwhelming stuff for publishing, I went ahead and shared your novel on fb and twitter, Kay.

I'm so confused about everything. I don't even know where to begin. I've been putting the word out for my memoir anthology while I'm trying to figure out formatting and publication for my novel. The anthology is a quick, uplifting read.

I read about Kathy's use of NetGalley. Does that cost much to join?

It sounds like I'm going to need to buy PhotoShop to upload my book cover to CreateSpace.

Ugh. My head is spinning.

Thanks for the share, Lori.

I confess I'm not too tech savvy and I don't want the frustrations of learning to do formatting and cover art, so I hired a professional formatter to do my eBook and paperback, and I had an artist do the cover art and a graphic designer add the text. It's worth it to me to preserve my nerves and sanity, but I know many people are on a budget and prefer to learn to do these things for themselves.

By the way, Bill, my sister showed me how to link to an individual FB post. Hopefully I can remember how to do it for next time. Not sure I'm the best at explaining it. If she gets a spare minute, she'll stop by and post the instructions.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Marie Clapsaddle on November 03, 2016, 11:38:57 AM
Actually, I'm reminded that I couldn't figure out the link for an individual post either! Anyway, I just shared yours.

Hi Bill, Kay's "Tech-Active Senior" sister at your service.

To get the link for an individual Facebook post, click on the date/time at the top of the post and copy the resulting URL from the menu bar at the top of the browser. In the case of the post on Kay's author page, it looks like this: https://www.facebook.com/KayLLing.author/photos/a.1285382901472724.1073741828.1263274803683534/1338837156127298/ (https://www.facebook.com/KayLLing.author/photos/a.1285382901472724.1073741828.1263274803683534/1338837156127298/)

I'm glad to see this thread on KBoards. I'm not a Kindle Scout alumnus myself, but I was actively involved with Kay's campaign behind the scenes and did what I could to help out with nominations for books listed on Steve's daily post. I plan to read this thread and pop in from time to time if there's something I can contribute.
 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 03, 2016, 11:56:55 AM
Thanks, Bill & Mark, for some cover art info.

Mark, that's a good idea to shop for an older version of PhotoShop. Any suggestions where?

Marie, how kind of you to offer your help to us "less tech-savvy" authors.

I created my own covers and have a little bit of experience working with photos in other cheap programs. I love photography and took the photos on the cover of my anthology and blended them together. It's the actual photo of the street where I grew up and the street sign. I bought the 2 photos for my novel, Whit's End, and blended those together. I was really happy with how it turned out, and I also got a lot of good feedback on that cover when it was in Kindle Scout. I have an idea what I'm going to do with the back cover for CreateSpace when I get a chance.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 03, 2016, 12:15:56 PM
Thanks, Bill & Mark, for some cover art info.

Mark, that's a good idea to shop for an older version of PhotoShop. Any suggestions where?

Marie, how kind of you to offer your help to us "less tech-savvy" authors.

I created my own covers and have a little bit of experience working with photos in other cheap programs. I love photography and took the photos on the cover of my anthology and blended them together. It's the actual photo of the street where I grew up and the street sign. I bought the 2 photos for my novel, Whit's End, and blended those together. I was really happy with how it turned out, and I also got a lot of good feedback on that cover when it was in Kindle Scout. I have an idea what I'm going to do with the back cover for CreateSpace when I get a chance.

I'm not sure where. eBay is an option, but you have to be careful of scams. I get my software from university surplus sales. If all you need is to take your own flattened cover wrap and make it a proper pdf, I can do that for you.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 03, 2016, 12:35:27 PM
I'm not sure where. eBay is an option, but you have to be careful of scams. I get my software from university surplus sales. If all you need is to take your own flattened cover wrap and make it a proper pdf, I can do that for you.

Hi Mark - I'm not sure what I have to do, because I've never done a book with CreateSpace before. I don't know how to put together a cover for an actual print book for paperback. I know I'll need a spine and a back cover, in addition to the front cover. If this is what you've offered to do in .pdf, I may take you up on it. However, I'm not there yet. I'm still working on formatting for my novel on ebook. It may be a while before I get to the print version. I'd kind of like to figure it out, but if I can't, I'll contact you (and probably everyone else on these boards for help with formatting  :-[). I'm going to see what I can do about getting PhotoShop.

Thank you for your kind offer.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 03, 2016, 12:40:55 PM
Okay, here is a stupid novice question for those of you who have done print versions with CreateSpace. I haven't even looked at it yet, so pardon my ignorance. How does the pricing work? Don't they have to charge you for printing the book? Does it give you their prices and then you can choose your own price for the book?

In the 1990's (the dark ages), long before ebooks and POD, I self-published a book and sent it off to a print company. They charged me all of $1.07 each to print my paperbacks. I bought them for a bulk price.

Now with POD, I have no idea what to expect.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 03, 2016, 12:45:54 PM
Hi Mark - I'm not sure what I have to do, because I've never done a book with CreateSpace before. I don't know how to put together a cover for an actual print book for paperback. I know I'll need a spine and a back cover, in addition to the front cover. If this is what you've offered to do in .pdf, I may take you up on it. However, I'm not there yet. I'm still working on formatting for my novel on ebook. It may be a while before I get to the print version. I'd kind of like to figure it out, but if I can't, I'll contact you (and probably everyone else on these boards for help with formatting  :-[). I'm going to see what I can do about getting PhotoShop.

Thank you for your kind offer.
Sure thing. Here's what I do:
I export my complete manuscript from Scrivener to Word, formatted as a 5x8.
I clean up the word doc, because no matter how hard I try, it's never ready.
I apply the 5x8 print size, and make sure my margins are in order.
Save as a PDF in MS word and upload that to CS.
CS gives me my page count, then i do a search on CS for "cover template."
Fill out the info and CS will generate a zip file that has a PNG of your cover template with folds, cuts, and bleeds.
Build your cover, spine, and back on top of the template.
Then I save it as a PDF, but you could save it as a high-quality jpg, and make that file available to anyone who has PS. They can save it as a PDF, and upload it to drop box, or use a free wordpress account to exchange files.

I'm happy to offer what help I can for you guys and dolls.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 03, 2016, 12:48:17 PM
Okay, here is a stupid novice question for those of you who have done print versions with CreateSpace. I haven't even looked at it yet, so pardon my ignorance. How does the pricing work? Don't they have to charge you for printing the book? Does it give you their prices and then you can choose your own price for the book?

In the 1990's (the dark ages), long before ebooks and POD, I self-published a book and sent it off to a print company. They charged me all of $1.07 each to print my paperbacks. I bought them for a bulk price.

Now with POD, I have no idea what to expect.

They charge you a price per book based on a sliding scale. A 300-page 5x8 with white pages and glossy finish will almost always be $4.45, a 140-page 5x8 will be $2.50, a 170-page will be $2.90. Then you pay taxes, and your choice of shipping. I try to keep whatever book I'm doing to one of the most common price points so I know what to expect.

Even with a 300-page 5x8, I price them so that the Extended Distribution nets me a royalty around $3.00. Then I sell them in person for $10. That way, a single sale will net me 2 more books. Also, if you utilize the CS estore, you can make discount codes that take a fixed dollar amount off. I keep a decent wooden crate in my trunk, and a stack of business cards in my pocket.

(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/img_0643.jpg?w=450) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/img_0643.jpg) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/recent-cs-order.jpg?w=450)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 03, 2016, 01:10:33 PM
Thanks for the share, Lori.

I confess I'm not too tech savvy and I don't want the frustrations of learning to do formatting and cover art, so I hired a professional formatter to do my eBook and paperback, and I had an artist do the cover art and a graphic designer add the text. It's worth it to me to preserve my nerves and sanity, but I know many people are on a budget and prefer to learn to do these things for themselves.

By the way, Bill, my sister showed me how to link to an individual FB post. Hopefully I can remember how to do it for next time. Not sure I'm the best at explaining it. If she gets a spare minute, she'll stop by and post the instructions.
I'm the same way, Kay. I found a good formatter and a great book cover designer that were reasonable. I don't want to learn how to format as I am technologically challenged. Besides, I find the marketing an almost full-time job. And that's enough of a diversion from the actual process of writing. Basically, I'm an old dog who is trick challenged.

Lori,
Create Space will guide you through the process and any questions you have, you can go through the message center. They're good to get back to you. Once the book is up and you have to decide pricing for the channels, they will tell you the minimum you have to charge. For instance, when I went through it today, they said the minimum I had to charge was $11.00. So I rounded it up to 11.99 because I have a thing about that .99 and then just tick the box where all foreign markets will be based on the exchange rate. It's just easier.
Believe me, it is a daunting process and the learning curve is huge (but then when is it not, whether it's self-publishing, writing or Kindle Scout) Step back and take a deep breath. You got this. If you can design your own covers, you can do all this other stuff.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: ZivGray on November 03, 2016, 01:10:54 PM
They charge you a price per book based on a sliding scale. A 300-page 5x8 with white pages and glossy finish will almost always be $4.45, a 140-page 5x8 will be $2.50, a 170-page will be $2.90. Then you pay taxes, and your choice of shipping. I try to keep whatever book I'm doing to one of the most common price points so I know what to expect.

Even with a 300-page 5x8, I price them so that the Extended Distribution nets me a royalty around $3.00. Then I sell them in person for $10. That way, a single sale will net me 2 more books. Also, if you utilize the CS estore, you can make discount codes that take a fixed dollar amount off. I keep a decent wooden crate in my trunk, and a stack of business cards in my pocket.

(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/img_0643.jpg?w=450) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/img_0643.jpg) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/recent-cs-order.jpg?w=450)

There's something very aesthetically pleasing about that box, Mark!

My process is exactly the same as yours. I recently made the mistake of not getting the right sized print proof for my book. I did all the work for 6 by 9 instead of 5 by 8 - and it just doesn't look right.

Next step for me is researching the right price for my POD copy. I don't foresee selling a lot of physical copies, to be honest.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 03, 2016, 01:18:43 PM
Next step for me is researching the right price for my POD copy. I don't foresee selling a lot of physical copies, to be honest.
My advice is to price it with a price ending in .99 that allows you to have pretty darn close to $3.00 royalty in expanded distribution, then just enable all six channels. I might sell four books a month online, but I care more about having the two linked in Amazon, with that "sale" slash through the eBook price. You could buy the hard cover for $25, or the paperback for $15, but the $5 ebook is a steal! and since setting up paper and HC costs you practically nothing, every indie should do it regardless if they expect to sell a single copy.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 01:23:05 PM
Hi Bill, Kay's "Tech-Active Senior" sister at your service.

To get the link for an individual Facebook post, click on the date/time at the top of the post and copy the resulting URL from the menu bar at the top of the browser. In the case of the post on Kay's author page, it looks like this: https://www.facebook.com/KayLLing.author/photos/a.1285382901472724.1073741828.1263274803683534/1338837156127298/ (https://www.facebook.com/KayLLing.author/photos/a.1285382901472724.1073741828.1263274803683534/1338837156127298/)

I'm glad to see this thread on KBoards. I'm not a Kindle Scout alumnus myself, but I was actively involved with Kay's campaign behind the scenes and did what I could to help out with nominations for books listed on Steve's daily post. I plan to read this thread and pop in from time to time if there's something I can contribute.
Thanks! I've actually seen that. I don't know why I didn't remember it earlier.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: ZivGray on November 03, 2016, 01:24:22 PM
My advice is to price it with a price ending in .99 that allows you to have pretty darn close to $3.00 royalty in expanded distribution, then just enable all six channels. I might sell four books a month online, but I care more about having the two linked in Amazon, with that "sale" slash through the eBook price. You could buy the hard cover for $25, or the paperback for $15, but the $5 ebook is a steal! and since setting up paper and HC costs you practically nothing, every indie should do it regardless if they expect to sell a single copy.

Super advice! I'll be sure to do that.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 01:28:07 PM
My advice is to price it with a price ending in .99 that allows you to have pretty darn close to $3.00 royalty in expanded distribution, then just enable all six channels. I might sell four books a month online, but I care more about having the two linked in Amazon, with that "sale" slash through the eBook price. You could buy the hard cover for $25, or the paperback for $15, but the $5 ebook is a steal! and since setting up paper and HC costs you practically nothing, every indie should do it regardless if they expect to sell a single copy.
I couldn't agree more! There are also some readers who don't look at a writer as legitimate unless there's a paperback edition--even if they buy in ebook format.

I too like the look of your box.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 03, 2016, 01:33:07 PM
I too like the look of your box.
The English-language Amazon listing looks pretty sweet too:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/screen-shot-2016-11-03-at-1-27-04-pm.png)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 01:40:37 PM
Okay, here is a stupid novice question for those of you who have done print versions with CreateSpace. I haven't even looked at it yet, so pardon my ignorance. How does the pricing work? Don't they have to charge you for printing the book? Does it give you their prices and then you can choose your own price for the book?

In the 1990's (the dark ages), long before ebooks and POD, I self-published a book and sent it off to a print company. They charged me all of $1.07 each to print my paperbacks. I bought them for a bulk price.

Now with POD, I have no idea what to expect.
Mark's already given you a great deal of excellent advice, but if you would like a demo, some years ago I made a quick video for a friend explaining CS cover templates. I was rushed and didn't feel afterward as if I had really gotten the job done well. I guess it must have been better than I thought, because now it has over 15,000 views, and a lot of positive responses.  Feel free to look it over when you get to that point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4cdyfG3jFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4cdyfG3jFI). (Yes, the demo uses Photoshop, but as I've said, less expensive programs have enough features to do what the video covers.

The POD text is a little trickier than ebook text, but if you remember you are trying to make it look like a print book in your library, that helps. For me the tricky thing was hyphenation. There are a large number of hyphenation rules, some of which Word doesn't follow. (I'd recommend finding a cheap copy of Chicago Manual of Style--it's an invaluable reference.

I did make some mistakes early on, though fortunately not ones that made the book look bad. I got better with practice. Really, none of it is rocket science, though some processes, like going through the whole manuscript to hyphenate correctly, are certainly tedious.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
The English-language Amazon listing looks pretty sweet too:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/screen-shot-2016-11-03-at-1-27-04-pm.png)
That it does--and now I think I know how to use the image tags. I tried before and failed, but I think from studying your use of it, I have it now. I forget what I put between them before, but it didn't work.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: David Blake on November 03, 2016, 02:12:43 PM
My first book wasn't selected at the back end of last year. Obviously I self-published.

I've since gone on to write, and self-publish, three more books.

What I've discovered about KS since then is that the vast majority of the books they so carefully "select" fail.

Why?

Because they don't know any better than anyone else what will fly and what will die.

Also, I really struggle to see what they bring to the table, apart from taking a larger chunk of your royalty payments.

So, for all of us who didn't find ourselves to be The Chosen Ones, I honestly think we're better off! And besides, I'm still convinced they just pull the winners out of a hat.

Anyway, self-publishing is easy enough. We're also able to maintain full ownership AND can set our own prices, which as I've learnt is vital to success.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 03, 2016, 02:23:23 PM
Mark's already given you a great deal of excellent advice, but if you would like a demo, some years ago I made a quick video for a friend explaining CS cover templates. I was rushed and didn't feel afterward as if I had really gotten the job done well. I guess it must have been better than I thought, because now it has over 15,000 views, and a lot of positive responses.  Feel free to look it over when you get to that point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4cdyfG3jFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4cdyfG3jFI). (Yes, the demo uses Photoshop, but as I've said, less expensive programs have enough features to do what the video covers.

The POD text is a little trickier than ebook text, but if you remember you are trying to make it look like a print book in your library, that helps. For me the tricky thing was hyphenation. There are a large number of hyphenation rules, some of which Word doesn't follow. (I'd recommend finding a cheap copy of Chicago Manual of Style--it's an invaluable reference.

I did make some mistakes early on, though fortunately not ones that made the book look bad. I got better with practice. Really, none of it is rocket science, though some processes, like going through the whole manuscript to hyphenate correctly, are certainly tedious.

Thank you, Bill. This is great. I respond much better to instructions on video. I have bookmarked this for when I'm ready.

Thank you to Mark, for your offer and brief instructions. I actually think I understood most of that.  :)

QUOTE: Michele<<Create Space will guide you through the process and any questions you have, you can go through the message center. They're good to get back to you. Once the book is up and you have to decide pricing for the channels, they will tell you the minimum you have to charge. For instance, when I went through it today, they said the minimum I had to charge was $11.00. So I rounded it up to 11.99 because I have a thing about that .99 and then just tick the box where all foreign markets will be based on the exchange rate. It's just easier.
Believe me, it is a daunting process and the learning curve is huge (but then when is it not, whether it's self-publishing, writing or Kindle Scout) Step back and take a deep breath. You got this. If you can design your own covers, you can do all this other stuff. >>

Michele, thank you for your input and encouragement. I love messing with my photos in my cheap software programs. My blog is full of those photos. I find that I get better responses to my blog when I put up photos with my text. I'm a bit of an over-user of blogging, but it is the one social media venue I actually enjoy. The others I only do because I have to.

As far as that "minimum I have to charge" on CS, does that mean they won't let you sell it for any less than a certain price? Honestly, I pass up most paperbacks when they're priced too high, and I'm hoping I don't have to price mine too high.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 02:47:18 PM
My first book wasn't selected at the back end of last year. Obviously I self-published.

I've since gone on to write, and self-publish, three more books.

What I've discovered about KS since then is that the vast majority of the books they so carefully "select" fail.

Why?

Because they don't know any better than anyone else what will fly and what will die.

Also, I really struggle to see what they bring to the table, apart from taking a larger chunk of your royalty payments.

So, for all of us who didn't find ourselves to be The Chosen Ones, I honestly think we're better off! And besides, I'm still convinced they just pull the winners out of a hat.

Anyway, self-publishing is easy enough. We're also able to maintain full ownership AND can set our own prices, which as I've learnt is vital to success.
Most fail? Have you actually tracked all of them? The ones I looked at when I was deciding whether to do KS or not all seemed to have good ranking and a reasonable number of reviews. Also, the accepted authors in the thread many of us migrated from seem both successful and happy. I guess it's possible that the unsuccessful ones might not be posting about how their books failed, though.  :P

I like self publishing too, and I certainly don't think one has to be in KS to be successful. However, KS is a lot easier to navigate than the typical trad publisher, gets the book on sale faster, and markets at least well enough that some people earn out their advances in just a few months. If the book were being marketed for $3.99, that would mean about 750 copies--not counting the free ones all the nominators got. Even at $5.99, that would still be 500 copies. I've never moved that many copies of one book on my own in just a few months, though perhaps you have. Someone who can market well enough to make a living without KS might easily not find KS worthwhile. For someone like me, though, KS might make more sense. One size does not fit all.

Anyway, I'm not weeping tears of blood that I wasn't selected, but I would have liked to have the experience, so I'll probably try again.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 03, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
As far as that "minimum I have to charge" on CS, does that mean they won't let you sell it for any less than a certain price? Honestly, I pass up most paperbacks when they're priced too high, and I'm hoping I don't have to price mine too high.
How much is too high? Don't fall into the trap a lot of indies do and undercut your prices. By utilizing discount codes, you can sell directly to your fans for whatever price you want. The important part is getting as wide a distribution as possible.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but most of your paperback book sales will be to friends and family, and likely in person, so your list price is irrelevant, because you can reduce the price to what you want with discount codes.
The minimum price CS will allow is a dollar and change over your author purchase price, so a 300-page book is around $6.99 or so, but you couldn't do expanded distribution.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 03, 2016, 03:37:22 PM
How much is too high? Don't fall into the trap a lot of indies do and undercut your prices. By utilizing discount codes, you can sell directly to your fans for whatever price you want. The important part is getting as wide a distribution as possible.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but most of your paperback book sales will be to friends and family, and likely in person, so your list price is irrelevant, because you can reduce the price to what you want with discount codes.
The minimum price CS will allow is a dollar and change over your author purchase price, so a 300-page book is around $6.99 or so, but you couldn't do expanded distribution.

I'll have to figure out how to use a discount code. That sounds like a great idea, and even though my CS screen says apply discount, I probably wouldn't have thought about sending customers directly to CS with a discount code. Even if a customer orders at a discounted price they have to pay shipping, so there goes most of the savings, right? I ordered a copy as soon as the book was finished, but used two day shipping, and it cost more than the copy my sister bought retail using Prime with free shipping. Granted, most buyers wouldn't use expedited shipping, but still . . .

The minimum permissible non-discounted price for my book was something like $14.50, so I set the price at $14.95. At 414 pages, and 6" x 9", the book is expensive because it's long. So, if my author cost is $5.81 per copy, where should I set my discounted price?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 03:53:46 PM
How much is too high? Don't fall into the trap a lot of indies do and undercut your prices. By utilizing discount codes, you can sell directly to your fans for whatever price you want. The important part is getting as wide a distribution as possible.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but most of your paperback book sales will be to friends and family, and likely in person, so your list price is irrelevant, because you can reduce the price to what you want with discount codes.
The minimum price CS will allow is a dollar and change over your author purchase price, so a 300-page book is around $6.99 or so, but you couldn't do expanded distribution.
I have a somewhat different philosophy on paperback pricing. I look at my genre and see what the trad published bestsellers are selling for (usually around $9.99 the last time I looked, though obviously book length makes some of them a little more than that.) and try to avoid going over that unless the length of the book demands it. After all, I'm a relatively unknown author. Are people going to pay more for me than they would for a household-name bestseller? I'd have to say no.

That does mean I get a relatively low royalty, and I have to forego expanding distribution. However, I tried expanded distribution, and it killed my paperback sales on Amazon without netting me even one sale in the expanded channels, so eventually I dropped it. To illustrate the effect, I just tried switching on the expanded channels for my latest book, currently selling at $10.50 (minimum price is $9.97.) With expanded channels switched on, the minimum price jumped to $14.95, almost a $5.00 increase and $4.45 over the current price. Even on shorter books, it's usually a $3.00 or more jump. Of course, the extra is to pay the middlemen.

I also experimented with using a different edition for expanded distribution, so I had the benefit of a low price and Amazon and reach. However, I abandoned the idea when the more highly priced edition made not one sale over several months. All it did was irritate me by appearing first on Amazon for no apparent reason.

It sounds as if you sell more paperbacks than I do just in general. I don't really look at the paperbacks as a revenue source. I look at them as a way to get more books into the world (via Amazon giveaways, for example) and a way of satisfying the crowd that doesn't think you're a legit writer without a physical copy. I do sell a few, as long as I keep the price relatively low. Selling a few is better than selling zero.

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 03, 2016, 03:57:57 PM
I'll have to figure out how to use a discount code. That sounds like a great idea, and even though my CS screen says apply discount, I probably wouldn't have thought about sending customers directly to CS with a discount code. Even if a customer orders at a discounted price they have to pay shipping, so there goes most of the savings, right? I ordered a copy as soon as the book was finished, but used two day shipping, and it cost more than the copy my sister bought retail using Prime with free shipping. Granted, most buyers wouldn't use expedited shipping, but still . . .

The minimum permissible non-discounted price for my book was something like $14.50, so I set the price at $14.95. At 414 pages, and 6" x 9", the book is expensive because it's long. So, if my author cost is $5.81 per copy, where should I set my discounted price?
I assume that at $14.95, your expanded distribution royalty is somewhere around 40 cents. An increase of your list price to $16.99 would give you another $2.00 in expanded royalties. At that price, you can offer a discount of $10, so that friends and family can purchase it for $6.99.

414 pages at 6x9 is a pretty hefty word count. My space disaster collaboration weighed in at 91k, and it's only 390 5x8 pages with easily readable text. What's the word count on your book?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 03, 2016, 04:17:48 PM
I have a somewhat different philosophy on paperback pricing. I look at my genre and see what the trad published bestsellers are selling for (usually around $9.99 the last time I looked, though obviously book length makes some of them a little more than that.) and try to avoid going over that unless the length of the book demands it. After all, I'm a relatively unknown author. Are people going to pay more for me than they would for a household-name bestseller? I'd have to say no.

That does mean I get a relatively low royalty, and I have to forego expanding distribution. However, I tried expanded distribution, and it killed my paperback sales on Amazon without netting me even one sale in the expanded channels, so eventually I dropped it. To illustrate the effect, I just tried switching on the expanded channels for my latest book, currently selling at $10.50 (minimum price is $9.97.) With expanded channels switched on, the minimum price jumped to $14.95, almost a $5.00 increase and $4.45 over the current price. Even on shorter books, it's usually a $3.00 or more jump. Of course, the extra is to pay the middlemen.

I also experimented with using a different edition for expanded distribution, so I had the benefit of a low price and Amazon and reach. However, I abandoned the idea when the more highly priced edition made not one sale over several months. All it did was irritate me by appearing first on Amazon for no apparent reason.

It sounds as if you sell more paperbacks than I do just in general. I don't really look at the paperbacks as a revenue source. I look at them as a way to get more books into the world (via Amazon giveaways, for example) and a way of satisfying the crowd that doesn't think you're a legit writer without a physical copy. I do sell a few, as long as I keep the price relatively low. Selling a few is better than selling zero.
major publishers don't do POD. They purchase 1000s or 10,000s of books at a time, so they get them printed dirt cheap. If you try to compete with them, they'll win every time.

Stop calling yourself an unknown author. Every author is unknown until they're not. You absolutely must believe in yourself if you want anyone else to believe in you too. Live by the adage, "Fake it to you make it."

I love hustling paperbacks at events, etc, so the list price of the book is irrelevant. I offer them at $10 - $15, depending on the book. To me, it's all about interacting with the fans and bibliophiles.

To be honest, I'd rather sell zero than undersell my product. Just as I would never do freelance computer work for less than a dollar a minute. I refuse to sell a paperback for less than a $3.00-ish royalty. My method and thinking isn't for everyone, but I do pretty well. I don't begrudge anyone for doing it otherwise.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 03, 2016, 04:51:35 PM
major publishers don't do POD. They purchase 1000s or 10,000s of books at a time, so they get them printed dirt cheap. If you try to compete with them, they'll win every time.

Stop calling yourself an unknown author. Every author is unknown until they're not. You absolutely must believe in yourself if you want anyone else to believe in you too. Live by the adage, "Fake it to you make it."

I love hustling paperbacks at events, etc, so the list price of the book is irrelevant. I offer them at $10 - $15, depending on the book. To me, it's all about interacting with the fans and bibliophiles.

To be honest, I'd rather sell zero than undersell my product. Just as I would never do freelance computer work for less than a dollar a minute. I refuse to sell a paperback for less than a $3.00-ish royalty. My method and thinking isn't for everyone, but I do pretty well. I don't begrudge anyone for doing it otherwise.
Yes, we both agree that one size doesn't fit all.

I'm well aware the major publishers don't do POD, and that's why they can keep production costs low--but consumers don't care. I know there would be ways to sell more cheaply to family and friends, but as I have no family and don't advertise to my friends, that really doesn't matter to me. I haven't done that many live sales, though I may some day. However, the fact that you sell the books at live sales for less than the list price kind of supports my point. Anyway, what sales I get, I get from online customers who are going to be staring at the full sticker price. Our situations are different, which explains our different approaches.

In general, more established writers, whether indie or trad, tend to be able to command higher prices. If one takes an as-much-as-the-market-will-bear approach to pricing as I tend to, I don't see what I'm doing as underselling. I tested at higher price points, and paperback sales fell off a cliff. Since you evidently can get that price, though, for you selling at rates that I do could be regarded as underselling, so I see your point with regard to your own circumstances.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 03, 2016, 04:57:25 PM
You know, I'd love to read and review books on my blog for other authors for free. It's something I've been thinking of for a while. Perhaps others who haven't made it to Kindle Scout either? Might be an idea...

Ziv, thanks for your offer. I would really love to have an honest review of my book, Lily of the Valley (Mansions of Karma, book 1). It has been out there awhile without much success, but I feel in my gut that it deserves more. Of course, we all feel that way about our books. I'll say no more about it, and let you decide - honestly, as I know you will. The link is https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MS9W1DU. It will be free this Saturday, Nov 6. Let me know if you want a reminder on Saturday. Thank you.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 03, 2016, 05:10:30 PM
Sorry, my head is not well-attached today. Lily of the Valley is free on SUNDAY, Nov 6, not Saturday. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MS9W1DU
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 03, 2016, 05:41:07 PM
I assume that at $14.95, your expanded distribution royalty is somewhere around 40 cents. An increase of your list price to $16.99 would give you another $2.00 in expanded royalties. At that price, you can offer a discount of $10, so that friends and family can purchase it for $6.99.

414 pages at 6x9 is a pretty hefty word count. My space disaster collaboration weighed in at 91k, and it's only 390 5x8 pages with easily readable text. What's the word count on your book?

My word count is around 114,000. (The next book, currently in first draft, is so long I had to divide it into two.) I don't write short books, LOL.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 03, 2016, 05:48:31 PM
Ziv, thanks for your offer. I would really love to have an honest review of my book, Lily of the Valley (Mansions of Karma, book 1). It has been out there awhile without much success, but I feel in my gut that it deserves more. Of course, we all feel that way about our books. I'll say no more about it, and let you decide - honestly, as I know you will. The link is https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MS9W1DU. It will be free this Saturday, Nov 6. Let me know if you want a reminder on Saturday. Thank you.

I'll happily vouch for Ruth's writing. I read the The Blues of Lotus Hall recently and loved it. I downloaded Hanging with Ecila when it was free not long ago, hoping to read it before too long, and I'll make sure to get Lilly of the Valley next.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: loraininflorida on November 03, 2016, 07:27:46 PM
For people thinking about making their own covers-- if you think you will be making multiple covers throughout your career, you might want to download GIMP which is basically just free Photoshop. It's not worth learning if you're only going to make one cover in your life, but if you foresee making several, it's worth learning. (I made all of my covers, below, the better ones I made on GIMP.) There are a bajillion tutorials on how to do stuff in GIMP, and, it has it's own chatroom ("Gimpchat") where newbies are helped very quickly.

https://www.gimp.org/
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 03, 2016, 10:42:52 PM
Hey, good friends. My latest effort, Serendipity, is free today, Friday, Nov 4.  Please grab a free copy by clicking on the cover below - second image. And please feel free to leave an honest review. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: ZivGray on November 04, 2016, 02:57:11 AM
Ziv, thanks for your offer. I would really love to have an honest review of my book, Lily of the Valley (Mansions of Karma, book 1). It has been out there awhile without much success, but I feel in my gut that it deserves more. Of course, we all feel that way about our books. I'll say no more about it, and let you decide - honestly, as I know you will. The link is https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MS9W1DU. It will be free this Saturday, Nov 6. Let me know if you want a reminder on Saturday. Thank you.

Looks like it's available through Kindle Unlimited, so I've downloaded it. I'll give it a read and leave a review on Amazon!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 04, 2016, 03:55:58 AM
Hey, good friends. My latest effort, Serendipity, is free today, Friday, Nov 4.  Please grab a free copy by clicking on the cover below - second image. And please feel free to leave an honest review. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.


Got it. Thanks.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 04, 2016, 05:51:48 AM
Hey, good friends. My latest effort, Serendipity, is free today, Friday, Nov 4.  Please grab a free copy by clicking on the cover below - second image. And please feel free to leave an honest review. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Got it also.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 04, 2016, 05:54:49 AM
For people thinking about making their own covers-- if you think you will be making multiple covers throughout your career, you might want to download GIMP which is basically just free Photoshop. It's not worth learning if you're only going to make one cover in your life, but if you foresee making several, it's worth learning. (I made all of my covers, below, the better ones I made on GIMP.) There are a bajillion tutorials on how to do stuff in GIMP, and, it has it's own chatroom ("Gimpchat") where newbies are helped very quickly.

https://www.gimp.org/
I must say the color schemes on your covers are very eye-catching (which isn't always easy to do in thumbnail). I imagine they definitely help your sales.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 04, 2016, 05:57:18 AM
Looks like it's available through Kindle Unlimited, so I've downloaded it. I'll give it a read and leave a review on Amazon!
Be sure to pick it up on Saturday when it's free, that way your review will have the "verified purchase" tag.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 04, 2016, 06:04:48 AM
Well, I just clicked publish on Different Lee, which gives me another page to constantly refresh (the bookshelf in this case) to see when it goes live.

Interestingly, though I thought I had proofed the material very meticulously before submitting to Scout, I found quite a few small errors. (This is after a complete readthrough before sending it to a professional editor and two readthroughs after it got back (one to incorporate the editor's changes while checking the context, and another after that to make sure I didn't miss anything during the preceding reading). I also found a couple of continuity problems (like apparently forgetting a particular character is present while I was writing a scene, with the result that the character just disappears).  I also spotted a couple of places I had thought were clear that really weren't. :( Needless to say, I'm glad I did one more reading--but now I can always wonder if I'd caught all those things first, would it have made a difference in the Scout selection? I'll never know...

Anyway, I'll let you know when it goes live.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 04, 2016, 06:06:15 AM
Be sure to pick it up on Saturday when it's free, that way your review will have the "verified purchase" tag.
Yes, it's high time Amazon rolled out a "verified borrow" label. The distinction between purchases and KU borrows makes little sense.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 04, 2016, 06:14:04 AM
Interestingly, though I thought I had proofed the material very meticulously before submitting to Scout, I found quite a few small errors. (This is after a complete readthrough before sending it to a professional editor and two readthroughs after it got back (one to incorporate the editor's changes while checking the context, and another after that to make sure I didn't miss anything during the preceding reading). I also found a couple of continuity problems (like apparently forgetting a particular character is present while I was writing a scene, with the result that the character just disappears).  I also spotted a couple of places I had thought were clear that really weren't.
I just got a communication from a reader that my superhero novel, Sixteen Sunsets, I had one of the characters wearing a "petticoat." I obviously meant a "peacoat," but an editor, 2 proofreaders, and several beta readers didn't pick up on that. Sigh...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 04, 2016, 06:29:39 AM
I just got a communication from a reader that my superhero novel, Sixteen Sunsets, I had one of the characters wearing a "petticoat." I obviously meant a "peacoat," but an editor, 2 proofreaders, and several beta readers didn't pick up on that. Sigh...
For several years I was the sponsor of the literary magazine at the high school where I worked. The final publication was usually around 60 pages, and it was proofed by me and several students on the staff, mostly people in honors and AP English classes. No matter how many times we proofed (and sometimes we did about fifteen readthroughs) there were still errors in the finished product.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 04, 2016, 06:33:56 AM
I just got a communication from a reader that my superhero novel, Sixteen Sunsets, I had one of the characters wearing a "petticoat." I obviously meant a "peacoat," but an editor, 2 proofreaders, and several beta readers didn't pick up on that. Sigh...

Petticoat, LOL!!!!!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 04, 2016, 06:36:53 AM
Petticoat, LOL!!!!!
I know, right?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 04, 2016, 06:42:55 AM
Well, I just clicked publish on Different Lee, which gives me another page to constantly refresh (the bookshelf in this case) to see when it goes live.

Interestingly, though I thought I had proofed the material very meticulously before submitting to Scout, I found quite a few small errors. (This is after a complete readthrough before sending it to a professional editor and two readthroughs after it got back (one to incorporate the editor's changes while checking the context, and another after that to make sure I didn't miss anything during the preceding reading). I also found a couple of continuity problems (like apparently forgetting a particular character is present while I was writing a scene, with the result that the character just disappears).  I also spotted a couple of places I had thought were clear that really weren't. :( Needless to say, I'm glad I did one more reading--but now I can always wonder if I'd caught all those things first, would it have made a difference in the Scout selection? I'll never know...

Anyway, I'll let you know when it goes live.

Yay!  Best of luck. You'll probably do quite well as you have an established readership. I'm on day 3 after the KS announcement email and it's crickets, so aside from the wonderful contacts I made on the KS thread, I'd say KS was a bust for helping me sell my book. I realize that the 2100 page views don't reveal much about nominations, but I know a lot of my personal contacts nominated me and they haven't come through now that they actually have to PAY for the book. I'll probably get a few more sales over the weekend, but still. Sigh. I have a feeling most people nominating "internally" elect not to receive the notification email since they get bombarded with announcements of self-published books.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 04, 2016, 06:51:03 AM
I'm on day 3 after the KS announcement email and it's crickets, so aside from the wonderful contacts I made on the KS thread, I'd say KS was a bust for helping me sell my book.
The secret, and I know it's difficult to implement, is to not care if you're selected. If Kindle Press passes on Retaliation, the moment I get that notification, the ARCs go out, the foreign language translation begins, the audiobook gets recorded, and I move on to my Murder Mystery, Score of Silence.

As an aside, I'm getting pretty darn close to my 300th rejection, and when I do, I'm going to compile them into a 300-page book and sell it on Amazon.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: EB on November 04, 2016, 07:07:07 AM
Stop calling yourself an unknown author. Every author is unknown until they're not. You absolutely must believe in yourself if you want anyone else to believe in you too. Live by the adage, "Fake it to you make it."

Truth!^^ 100x yes.

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 04, 2016, 07:32:33 AM
The secret, and I know it's difficult to implement, is to not care if you're selected. If Kindle Press passes on Retaliation, the moment I get that notification, the ARCs go out, the foreign language translation begins, the audiobook gets recorded, and I move on to my Murder Mystery, Score of Silence.

As an aside, I'm getting pretty darn close to my 300th rejection, and when I do, I'm going to compile them into a 300-page book and sell it on Amazon.
That great advice! I did go through a few minutes of angst when I first got my rejection, but then I just figured I was no worse off than if I hadn't entered in the first place and moved on.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 04, 2016, 07:53:41 AM
I did go through a few minutes of angst when I first got my rejection, but then I just figured I was no worse off than if I hadn't entered in the first place and moved on.
But at least you're able to draw strength and inspiration from your handlebar mustache! My chin hasn't been bare since I was in the NAVY.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 04, 2016, 09:03:08 AM
Looks like it's available through Kindle Unlimited, so I've downloaded it. I'll give it a read and leave a review on Amazon!

Thanks so much!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 04, 2016, 10:58:17 AM
I know some of you will have already seen this on the regular Kindle Scout Thread, but for those of you who haven't, Different Lee is now available for the introductory price of $0.99. If you are interested, you can check it out here: http://viewbook.at/differentlee (http://viewbook.at/differentlee)

(That's a booklinker link, which we were talking about a little earlier in the thread. It should take you to whichever Amazon store is correct for your location.)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 04, 2016, 12:22:52 PM
I know some of you will have already seen this on the regular Kindle Scout Thread, but for those of you who haven't, Different Lee is now available for the introductory price of $0.99. If you are interested, you can check it out here: http://viewbook.at/differentlee (http://viewbook.at/differentlee)

(That's a booklinker link, which we were talking about a little earlier in the thread. It should take you to whichever Amazon store is correct for your location.)

It's great to get it published quickly while it's still fresh in the minds of those who nominated you. I got my copy. Best of luck!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on November 04, 2016, 12:58:45 PM
Just thought I'd say hi, I'll be here soon enough. Nice to see some familiar names
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 04, 2016, 01:08:51 PM
Just thought I'd say hi, I'll be here soon enough. Nice to see some familiar names

Welcome! The cool kids are all over here!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 04, 2016, 02:24:23 PM
It's great to get it published quickly while it's still fresh in the minds of those who nominated you. I got my copy. Best of luck!
Thanks! Much appreciated.

Some KU subscriber seems to have read the whole thing already. (KU readers tend to be fast.)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 04, 2016, 02:30:22 PM
Just thought I'd say hi, I'll be here soon enough. Nice to see some familiar names

Not that we don't want you over here, Jenny, but don't jump the gun. You could very well have a winner.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 04, 2016, 03:21:57 PM
For people thinking about making their own covers-- if you think you will be making multiple covers throughout your career, you might want to download GIMP which is basically just free Photoshop. It's not worth learning if you're only going to make one cover in your life, but if you foresee making several, it's worth learning. (I made all of my covers, below, the better ones I made on GIMP.) There are a bajillion tutorials on how to do stuff in GIMP, and, it has it's own chatroom ("Gimpchat") where newbies are helped very quickly.

https://www.gimp.org/

Hi Lorain - I've never done CreateSpace before and plan to soon. Is this program, GIMP, compatible with CS? Thanks for this tip.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 04, 2016, 04:34:18 PM
I know, right?

Mark, I have a question you may be able to answer. My paperback cover would look much better a little lighter. My sister doesn't have Photoshop, but she has some kind of a program where she lightened the PDF cover art file by 25% and it looked good. Unfortunately the changes refuse to save and the image keeps reverting to the original, dark setting. Is the problem anything to do with not using the original source file? Can a PDF file be lightened? I refuse to ask the graphic artist who applied the lettering to fix this. She's really unreliable and I never want to deal with her again! I want to take care of this immediately and reupload the cover it so I can order a few paperbacks to sell locally. 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 04, 2016, 07:57:22 PM
Mark, I have a question you may be able to answer. My paperback cover would look much better a little lighter. My sister doesn't have Photoshop, but she has some kind of a program where she lightened the PDF cover art file by 25% and it looked good. Unfortunately the changes refuse to save and the image keeps reverting to the original, dark setting. Is the problem anything to do with not using the original source file? Can a PDF file be lightened? I refuse to ask the graphic artist who applied the lettering to fix this. She's really unreliable and I never want to deal with her again! I want to take care of this immediately and reupload the cover it so I can order a few paperbacks to sell locally. 
PDFs really are just containers. Think of it like a metal bucket with the letters "PDF" printed on the side. Inside that bucket is what counts, i.e. text, images, etc. If the contents of the bucket are stored correctly, then you can reach in and "pull" out that cover art. Then apply the lightening, and put it back in the PDF bucket, and resave.

The issue that many authors have, is that they're used to doing stuff in an RGB world. Most digital art and photo manipulation is done in the 3-color RGB mode. Printing, however, is a 4-color process with the CMYK color scheme. Because the "K," or black channel is stored separately from the color data in CMYK, the "black" data has to be extracted from each of the three color channels from RGB. This usually results in the images being darker, and the colors often appear washed out.

Let me take a look at you pdf or any files your graphic designer sent you. If they're too big to email, upload them to your wordpress or Dropbox, and email the link to markgardnerauthor@gmail.com
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 05, 2016, 05:08:17 AM
PDFs really are just containers. Think of it like a metal bucket with the letters "PDF" printed on the side. Inside that bucket is what counts, i.e. text, images, etc. If the contents of the bucket are stored correctly, then you can reach in and "pull" out that cover art. Then apply the lightening, and put it back in the PDF bucket, and resave.

The issue that many authors have, is that they're used to doing stuff in an RGB world. Most digital art and photo manipulation is done in the 3-color RGB mode. Printing, however, is a 4-color process with the CMYK color scheme. Because the "K," or black channel is stored separately from the color data in CMYK, the "black" data has to be extracted from each of the three color channels from RGB. This usually results in the images being darker, and the colors often appear washed out.

Let me take a look at you pdf or any files your graphic designer sent you. If they're too big to email, upload them to your wordpress or Dropbox, and email the link to markgardnerauthor@gmail.com
We're very lucky to have someone with your level of technical expertise in this thread!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 05, 2016, 05:36:37 AM
Since part of our mission is to help each other launch our books post KS, let me report on how Different Lee did on its first day (and the early hours of the morning today).

After less than 24 hours, it's sitting at 10,804 in the paid store and is at #36 in its best subgenre. I'm not even sure that reflects all the sales and yet. They're all on my dashboard, or I wouldn't know about them, but some of them haven't made it to the month-to-date unit sales page, and usually they don't seem to affect rank until they get to that page, though I can't be sure.

Unfortunately, I'm not one of these hyper-organized people who has promos going the very first day a book launches. I couldn't be with KS anyway, because I wouldn't have known when I was going to launch, and I didn't want to wait until later just to book promos in advance. I did spend most of yesterday booking promos--the thread I posted the link to was very helpful--but I had nothing running yesterday. I'm not even posting about it on social media until today.

Part of that momentum is undoubtedly due to you folks, so thanks again. However, the number of sales and borrows suggests that I must have gotten some response from my nominators. Early sales had been good (that partly was realistically probably all you guys, since nobody else knew about the book yet), but I saw a noticeable escalation in the afternoon, after Amazon put out the email to the nominators (about 3 pm my time). KU action also spiked, and when I checked this morning, the bulk of it was from Different Lee.

In the interest of full disclosure, I may be looking for reasons to think all the effort I put into the KS campaign was worth it, so I have a built-in bias. That said, the numbers do suggest that the effort is making at least a little difference in the strength of the launch. None of my earlier books got off to as big a start as this one (or even close).

In the interest of science, I probably should have let it sit a couple of days without doing anything else, but having a sense of how early it is to hit the ground running with a new book, I didn't. The AMS ad will kick in any time, I'll be tweeting and posting, and my first outside promotion (Sweet Free Books, which also advertises discounts and will take new releases) is today, so it will be hard to tell after this point how many sales are coming from what.

If anything else noteworthy happens, I'll be sure to report out. (While I've been typing, the book dropped a thousand in rank, and the remaining sales still haven't gotten to the monthly page yet. Amazon is being laggy is always. It didn't register any change in author rank yesterday, but today I'm up about 25,000 slots.)   
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 05:49:41 AM
PDFs really are just containers. Think of it like a metal bucket with the letters "PDF" printed on the side. Inside that bucket is what counts, i.e. text, images, etc. If the contents of the bucket are stored correctly, then you can reach in and "pull" out that cover art. Then apply the lightening, and put it back in the PDF bucket, and resave.

The issue that many authors have, is that they're used to doing stuff in an RGB world. Most digital art and photo manipulation is done in the 3-color RGB mode. Printing, however, is a 4-color process with the CMYK color scheme. Because the "K," or black channel is stored separately from the color data in CMYK, the "black" data has to be extracted from each of the three color channels from RGB. This usually results in the images being darker, and the colors often appear washed out.

Let me take a look at you pdf or any files your graphic designer sent you. If they're too big to email, upload them to your wordpress or Dropbox, and email the link to markgardnerauthor@gmail.com

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I just sent it. Let me know if it came through. It is a large file, just over 4MB. As Bill says, it's wonderful to have someone like you here who has expertise in this area!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 06:06:23 AM
We're very lucky to have someone with your level of technical expertise in this thread!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I just sent it. Let me know if it came through. It is a large file, just over 4MB. As Bill says, it's wonderful to have someone like you here who has expertise in this area!
Thanks, Bill.

Kay, I've sent your PDF back, and it reminded me of another tip for all of you who hire out your covers:
When your cover artist creates your PDF, make sure they save it to the PDF-Xa:2001 format and as a CMYK image. Also, make sure they send you a 6.25x9.25 300dpi image with and without the typography. Finally, make sure that they save your PDF with ZIP compression instead of JPG compression. JPG PDFs result in smaller PDF file sizes, but introduce jpeg artifacts. In your example, Kay, your RGB JPG-compressed PDF was 4MB, but the CMYK ZIP-compressed PDF is 16MB.


Kay, what cover file are you using for your digital book?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 09:29:52 AM
Thanks, Bill.

Kay, I've sent your PDF back, and it reminded me of another tip for all of you who hire out your covers:
When your cover artist creates your PDF, make sure they save it to the PDF-Xa:2001 format and as a CMYK image. Also, make sure they send you a 6.25x9.25 300dpi image with and without the typography. Finally, make sure that they save your PDF with ZIP compression instead of JPG compression. JPG PDFs result in smaller PDF file sizes, but introduce jpeg artifacts. In your example, Kay, your RGB JPG-compressed PDF was 4MB, but the CMYK ZIP-compressed PDF is 16MB.


Kay, what cover file are you using for your digital book?

Wow. I think we're all learning a lot from your information. Too bad the "professionals" don't know some of the information you're recommending. Artifacts sound cool if you're collecting antiques, but not when you're making book covers, LOL.

The cover for the eBook is a jpg. Going by memory, I think it's 300 dpi or whatever is standard.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 10:21:26 AM
Wow. I think we're all learning a lot from your information. Too bad the "professionals" don't know some of the information you're recommending. Artifacts sound cool if you're collecting antiques, but not when you're making book covers, LOL.

The cover for the eBook is a jpg. Going by memory, I think it's 300 dpi or whatever is standard.
Go ahead and email me your ebook cover file.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 11:53:57 AM
Wow. I think we're all learning a lot from your information. Too bad the "professionals" don't know some of the information you're recommending. Artifacts sound cool if you're collecting antiques, but not when you're making book covers, LOL.

The cover for the eBook is a jpg. Going by memory, I think it's 300 dpi or whatever is standard.
Try this on for size:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf.jpg?w=450) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf.jpg)
click on it to embiggen.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 11:57:42 AM
Try this on for size:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf.jpg?w=450) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf.jpg)
click on it to embiggen.

That looks beauteous. Actually I purposely made the writing on the smallish side to not detract from the artwork, but that really does look nice.

Embiggen. Lol. Love it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 12:05:59 PM
That looks beauteous. Actually I purposely made the writing on the smallish side to not detract from the artwork, but that really does look nice.
I think it looks good in thumbnail, too...
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf.jpg?w=125)

Edit: What's your CS page count?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 12:14:53 PM
I think it looks good in thumbnail, too...
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf.jpg?w=125)

Edit: What's your CS page count?

CS page count is 414
The lettering is beautiful but it does sort of steal the show from the artwork. Maybe a little smaller and it wouldn't dominate the art.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 12:21:17 PM
CS page count is 414
The lettering is beautiful but it does sort of steal the show from the artwork. Maybe a little smaller and it wouldn't dominate the art.

414 in 6x9? what's your word count?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 12:25:29 PM
414 in 6x9? what's your word count?

Around 114,000 words.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 12:37:59 PM
Around 114,000 words.
I ask, because my Space disaster is 91,000 words, and it's only 390-page 5x8. I would expect something like that to be in the 350-page range.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 12:54:59 PM
CS page count is 414
The lettering is beautiful but it does sort of steal the show from the artwork. Maybe a little smaller and it wouldn't dominate the art.
I did this based on the CS 6x9 350-page template:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/beyondtheforest6x9_bw_350.jpg?w=600) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/beyondtheforest6x9_bw_350.jpg)
I'd center the barcode instead of right aligning it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 01:06:01 PM
I did this based on the CS 6x9 350-page template:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/beyondtheforest6x9_bw_350.jpg?w=600) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/beyondtheforest6x9_bw_350.jpg)
I'd center the barcode instead of right aligning it.

Amazing job! I can't believe you went to all this trouble for me! You were able to make a useable CS cover from the JPG of the eBook?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 01:14:21 PM
Amazing job! I can't believe you went to all this trouble for me! You were able to make a useable CS cover from the JPG of the eBook?
Well, I cleaned up a few errors that I perceived, and expanded it from 5x8 to 6x9. Do you still have your original manuscript in word format?

(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf-card.jpg?w=450) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf-card.jpg)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 01:22:22 PM
Well, I cleaned up a few errors that I perceived, and expanded it from 5x8 to 6x9. Do you still have your original manuscript in word format?

(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf-card.jpg?w=450) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/btf-card.jpg)

Yes I have the original in Word, and the professionally formatted PDF. Fortunately there was nothing wrong with the interior of the book. It was just a matter of the cover being dark.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 01:30:27 PM
Yes I have the original in Word, and the professionally formatted PDF. Fortunately there was nothing wrong with the interior of the book. It was just a matter of the cover being dark.
go ahead and send me your interior pdf and word file. I'd like to see it it can be tweaked to get you a lower page count.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 05, 2016, 02:16:35 PM
That looks beauteous. Actually I purposely made the writing on the smallish side to not detract from the artwork, but that really does look nice.

Embiggen. Lol. Love it.

To tell you the truth, Kay, this is the first time I could actually see the details in your cover. Of course my eyes are not that great, but maybe you could enlarge the center of the cover, if that is possible. Is that possible? 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
To tell you the truth, Kay, this is the first time I could actually see the details in your cover. Of course my eyes are not that great, but maybe you could enlarge the center of the cover, if that is possible. Is that possible?

No I don't want to make any more changes. I've also decided to leave the pages at 414 with my cream colored paper. I don't want to mess with success. I like the way the interior looked.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 05, 2016, 04:26:17 PM
No I don't want to make any more changes. I've also decided to leave the pages at 414 with my cream colored paper. I don't want to mess with success. I like the way the interior looked.

I understand that. Good luck!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 05:19:51 PM
You were able to make a useable CS cover from the JPG of the eBook?
I followed you on Twitter, and noticed that your banner had elements covered up, so I whipped up this for you:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/twitter-allelements.jpg?w=450) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/twitter-allelements.jpg)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 06:12:31 PM
I followed you on Twitter, and noticed that your banner had elements covered up, so I whipped up this for you:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/twitter-allelements.jpg?w=450) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/twitter-allelements.jpg)

Thanks. You're amazing!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 05, 2016, 07:47:46 PM
I followed you on Twitter, and noticed that your banner had elements covered up, so I whipped up this for you:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/twitter-allelements.jpg?w=450) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/twitter-allelements.jpg)

I am supposed to save the image from here? Or were you sending it to me?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 05, 2016, 09:39:52 PM
I am supposed to save the image from here? Or were you sending it to me?
the linked file is full resolution. If you have any trouble, I can email it to you.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 06, 2016, 02:48:42 AM
I understand that. Good luck!

Ruth, I remembered to download Lily of the Valley today. The plot sounds great! Maybe I'm the first to download today. I'm getting a nice collection of your work! Thanks.

I've started a Kindle Scout collection in my library since I have a growing number of books from Kindle Scout participants. I got Bill's the other day and a couple of Mark's last night. I finished Underneath by M.N. Arzu last night. Her campaign ended shortly after mine started. I've never read a book about Merfolk. It was really exciting.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 06, 2016, 06:17:05 AM
Ruth, I remembered to download Lily of the Valley today. The plot sounds great! Maybe I'm the first to download today. I'm getting a nice collection of your work! Thanks.

I've started a Kindle Scout collection in my library since I have a growing number of books from Kindle Scout participants. I got Bill's the other day and a couple of Mark's last night. I finished Underneath by M.N. Arzu last night. Her campaign ended shortly after mine started. I've never read a book about Merfolk. It was really exciting.
My biggest problem now is that my TBR list is growing exponentially. I used to have the standard English teacher fantasy of reading all day long when I retired, but of course as a writer I'm much too busy. Sigh!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 06, 2016, 06:29:36 AM
Day 2 of the new release went well, at least by my standards--some of you could easily be bigger sellers. The first two days I moved thirty copies (25 US, 3 UK, 1 France, and 1 Mexico--my first sale there). My KU reads suggest I also got about four full reads of Different Lee in the US, with a fifth person in Canada starting.

To put that in perspective, my first book got 27 sales and KOLL borrows--in the whole first month. True, I knew nothing about promoting, and most of those sales came from people who knew me. (I hadn't advertised even to them, but someone saw the book on Amazon by chance and blasted the news to pretty much everyone I knew.) Subsequent books probably got that many sales over about a two-week period.

The AMS ad hasn't done much yet, and the social media posts are getting responses but not much clickthrough so far. I had one small promo yesterday--Sweet Free Books. Otherwise, the sales and borrows are probably still all coming from you folks and my nominators.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 06, 2016, 06:35:55 AM
Day 2 of the new release went well, at least by my standards--some of you could easily be bigger sellers. The first two days I moved thirty copies (25 US, 3 UK, 1 France, and 1 Mexico--my first sale there). My KU reads suggest I also got about four full reads of Different Lee in the US, with a fifth person in Canada starting.

To put that in perspective, my first book got 27 sales and KOLL borrows--in the whole first month. True, I knew nothing about promoting, and most of those sales came from people who knew me. (I hadn't advertised even to them, but someone saw the book on Amazon by chance and blasted the news to pretty much everyone I knew.) Subsequent books probably got that many sales over about a two-week period.

The AMS ad hasn't done much yet, and the social media posts are getting responses but not much clickthrough so far. I had one small promo yesterday--Sweet Free Books. Otherwise, the sales and borrows are probably still all coming from you folks and my nominators.
That's exciting news, Bill! I hope the trend continues for many months to come!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KitSarge on November 06, 2016, 06:39:08 AM
That's a really great ranking, Bill. It looks like it's still doing well today!  ;D
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 06, 2016, 06:50:20 AM
I autographed a book for the first time today. A fellow showed up at church with a paperback copy. Since I'm uploading my improved cover today it will be one of three with the original cover. I'm sending one to the editor at the Buffalo Evening News on Monday. I don't know when he'll get around to reading it, and I hope he doesn't throw it away after finishing it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 06, 2016, 06:56:42 AM
That's a really great ranking, Bill. It looks like it's still doing well today!  ;D
Yes, it's hanging in, though Sundays are usually slow days for me, so I expect it to decline during the day. I have two promos starting for Monday, Read Cheaply and Price Dropped Books, so that may help the momentum. I haven't tried so many promo sites on a new release before--if I get approved on all of them, I'll have nineteen. I'm following the idea that promoting during the first 30 days can be more valuable than the same amount of promotion later. Unfortunately, some of the sites I wanted were booked until January (Book Gorilla), required more than fifty reviews on a prior book to feature an new release, and I had only fifty (Book Barbarian), or had other problems. I also have two that fall outside the first thirty days, but I figured it was better to go with them than now.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 06, 2016, 07:03:34 AM
I autographed a book for the first time today. A fellow showed up at church with a paperback copy. Since I'm uploading my improved cover today it will be one of three with the original cover. I'm sending one to the editor at the Buffalo Evening News on Monday. I don't know when he'll get around to reading it, and I hope he doesn't throw it away after finishing it.
I've gotten a few autograph requests. The first one from someone I didn't know was an Irish teenager, and shipping made it difficult to do that with a book. He settled for a digitally autographed jpg of me. (For some reason he really wanted a picture of me anyway, so that worked.) Then the request morphed into additional ones for two of his friends. They all still follow me on FB and Twitter. Interestingly, they all pushed for merchandise too. Unfortunately, I could have made a t-shirt with a book on it relatively cheaply, but shipping to Ireland would still have been too expensive to make it worth it. Sigh!

My reluctance to promote to people I know personally means I actually have more fans in Croatia than I do in my home town.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 06, 2016, 07:09:18 AM
I autographed a book for the first time today. A fellow showed up at church with a paperback copy. Since I'm uploading my improved cover today it will be one of three with the original cover. I'm sending one to the editor at the Buffalo Evening News on Monday. I don't know when he'll get around to reading it, and I hope he doesn't throw it away after finishing it.
Buffalo, no way! I'm originally from just across the border in Canada, a small city beside Niagara Falls!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 06, 2016, 07:17:51 AM
Buffalo, no way! I'm originally from just across the border in Canada, a small city beside Niagara Falls!

Cool. I've probably been by your town, then. I live between Buffalo and Rochester and have been through much of Ontario.

Bill, I love it that you have rabid international fans!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 06, 2016, 08:30:28 AM
Cool. I've probably been by your town, then. I live between Buffalo and Rochester and have been through much of Ontario.

Bill, I love it that you have rabid international fans!
Yes, a handful!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 06, 2016, 09:56:01 AM
Buffalo, no way! I'm originally from just across the border in Canada, a small city beside Niagara Falls!
I'm from Buffalo too! Hamburg, just south of Bflo. (Well, originally) Ha, small world.
Sorry I haven't been around in the last few days. Busy with NaNoWriMo and my official launch on Friday. As soon as I get a chance, I'll catch up on the thread. Hope ye are all well!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Marie Clapsaddle on November 06, 2016, 12:15:27 PM
the linked file is full resolution. If you have any trouble, I can email it to you.

First, I wanted to add my personal thanks for all your help with Kay's print book cover problem. That was incredibly kind of you!

I need a technical answer about how we plan to use the eBook cover on the internet, and I'm posting here because it's likely the information may be useful to others.

I'm concerned that the eBook cover is quite large and hi-res. That's perfect for its intended use as a Kindle cover, but it I upload it "as is" on a website or with a post on Facebook or Twitter, what's to stop anyone from downloading the .jpg and making their own poster or whatever from it. (I ask because Kay was talking about maybe having one or more posters made up and using them as prizes for a drawing.)

I'm thinking about shrinking a copy of it down so that it's about the size of a postcard when viewed at 100%. (I wouldn't touch any of the other settings.) That should be plenty big enough to post anywhere on the internet and I can always shrink it even smaller when creating Canva promos, etc. This way, anybody can download it if they want a postcard size copy, but if they try to enlarge it more than a tiny bit, it will get progressively more blurry.

What do you think? Am I crazy to be concerned about this? Does my idea sound OK? Are there any cautions I should keep in mind?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 06, 2016, 12:38:08 PM
First, I wanted to add my personal thanks for all your help with Kay's print book cover problem. That was incredibly kind of you!

I need a technical answer about how we plan to use the eBook cover on the internet, and I'm posting here because it's likely the information may be useful to others.

I'm concerned that the eBook cover is quite large and hi-res. That's perfect for its intended use as a Kindle cover, but it I upload it "as is" on a website or with a post on Facebook or Twitter, what's to stop anyone from downloading the .jpg and making their own poster or whatever from it. (I ask because Kay was talking about maybe having one or more posters made up and using them as prizes for a drawing.)

I'm thinking about shrinking a copy of it down so that it's about the size of a postcard when viewed at 100%. (I wouldn't touch any of the other settings.) That should be plenty big enough to post anywhere on the internet and I can always shrink it even smaller when creating Canva promos, etc. This way, anybody can download it if they want a postcard size copy, but if they try to enlarge it more than a tiny bit, it will get progressively more blurry.

What do you think? Am I crazy to be concerned about this? Does my idea sound OK? Are there any cautions I should keep in mind?
I'm assuming that your kindle cover is greater than 1800x2700 (6x9 @ 300dpi.) Personally, I'm against shrinking any smaller than that, and here's why: Google will catalog each instance of your cover. If someone stumbles across your cover, you want it to be the best version it can be. As for someone "stealing" your cover, I wouldn't worry too much about that. It's the same counter-intuitive argument against worrying if your book has been pirated: Those people were likely never going to purchase your stuff anyway. Besides, if you're fortunate enough to have a fan that wants to make a poster, or otherwise make art out of your cover, then I say that you're lucky to have such dedicated fans. Personally, I always share fan art and derivatives on my blog, and when they're really cool, or touching, I'll include them in the next novel, etc. I'm of the opinion that the more you interact with your fans, the more they invest in you as an artist, and the more zeal they display when talking about your work. And what better way to interact than to encourage them to be creative with your art? If you're concerned that someone will download your content or cover and attempt to pass them off as their own, I wouldn't worry, those people are eventually found out, and the Internet can be very unforgiving in that situation. Plus, as the copyright holder, you do have rights to combat theft.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Marie Clapsaddle on November 06, 2016, 12:55:49 PM
I'm assuming that your kindle cover is greater than 1800x2700 (6x9 @ 300dpi.) Personally, I'm against shrinking any smaller than that, and here's why: Google will catalog each instance of your cover. If someone stumbles across your cover, you want it to be the best version it can be. As for someone "stealing" your cover, I wouldn't worry too much about that. It's the same counter-intuitive argument against worrying if your book has been pirated: Those people were likely never going to purchase your stuff anyway. Besides, if you're fortunate enough to have a fan that wants to make a poster, or otherwise make art out of your cover, then I say that you're lucky to have such dedicated fans. Personally, I always share fan art and derivatives on my blog, and when they're really cool, or touching, I'll include them in the next novel, etc. I'm of the opinion that the more you interact with your fans, the more they invest in you as an artist, and the more zeal they display when talking about your work. And what better way to interact than to encourage them to be creative with your art? If you're concerned that someone will download your content or cover and attempt to pass them off as their own, I wouldn't worry, those people are eventually found out, and the Internet can be very unforgiving in that situation. Plus, as the copyright holder, you do have rights to combat theft.

Thanks, Mark. That makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 07, 2016, 05:13:11 AM
Is anyone else made crazy by going through the file for the print edition to make sure hyphenation is correct? Perhaps there is a better way.

I use Scrivener for composing, but for final print preparation I export to Word, Once all the other settings are correct, I go through the document using Word's manual hyphenation routine, checking each suggestion against CMOS guidelines and common sense. Word has a few things built in, like a way to avoid hyphen stacks, and it always splits between syllables, as it should, but it doesn't obey other CMOS standards, like not leaving a single letter at the end of a line or two letters at the beginning. After fixing the hyphenation, I go back through the manuscript again to check for appearance, because Word makes it hard to see the context during manual hyphenation. I end up with a satisfactory result, but it takes about a full working day to do it. Anyone have a better method?

Also, what's the consensus on worrying about widows and orphans? I used to use widow and orphan control in Word, but I didn't like the resulting uneven look at the bottom of the page. It looks better to me for the pages to have a uniform bottom margin, the only exception being if the last page of the chapter ends up with only a single line of text, which luckily doesn't seem to be happening anywhere in the current manuscript.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: brkingsolver on November 07, 2016, 07:10:30 AM
I turn widow and orphan protection off for print. I also turn off hyphenation. I print in trade paperback, 6x9, so I format the manuscript to those margins before I upload to CS.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 07, 2016, 09:34:41 AM
I turn widow and orphan protection off for print. I also turn off hyphenation. I print in trade paperback, 6x9, so I format the manuscript to those margins before I upload to CS.
Just be clear, you don't hyphenate automatically, or you don't hyphenate at all?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 07, 2016, 09:48:15 AM
I turn off hyphenation and turn on orphan control. I go through the MS and selectively turn off orphan control to tighten up specific chapters.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: editorjmv on November 07, 2016, 02:24:15 PM
I compose my paperback books with InDesign instead of Word, but I, too, turn off the hyphenation.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 07, 2016, 11:02:21 PM
I haven't done a paperback yet, but I've noticed Scrivener has that as an option. For what reason do people not use that?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 08, 2016, 04:25:58 AM
So yesterday, I received my paperback copy of A Whyte Christmas and of course I was thrilled because the Kindle version goes live on Friday. However, I noticed the typeset was off: the right pages are 1 line higher than the left pages. I've already contacted CS and I hope it is their mistake. After you review your proof and hit the publish button, how long before it goes live in the Amazon store?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: PatriciaThomson on November 08, 2016, 04:43:25 AM
Thanks for the thread, Kay!  I, too, am a proud Scout reject, with the added bonus of Scout dragging out the process until I thought I would lose my mind.  I blogged about it should you wish to read my opinion.   :D

I published Merely Players on October twentieth.  Since I'm planning to release the second book, Another's Audience in early December, I want to line up a promotion push later this month.  I'm just happy that I've sold books to people I don't know, heh heh.  This is just the beginning and to be honest I'm proud of myself that I've gotten this far, considering how uncomfortable I was in the past letting people read my writing.  I'm even prouder that I momentarily overcame my revulsion of being photographed and now have a decent headshot!

How many people say that they're going to write a book and don't do it?  Everybody here's done it.  That's pretty awesome in itself, right?   

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 08, 2016, 04:57:18 AM
So yesterday, I received my paperback copy of A Whyte Christmas and of course I was thrilled because the Kindle version goes live on Friday. However, I noticed the typeset was off: the right pages are 1 line higher than the left pages. I've already contacted CS and I hope it is their mistake. After you review your proof and hit the publish button, how long before it goes live in the Amazon store?

Check with customer service. I can't remember what they quoted officially but everything seems to happen ahead of schedule, which is generally a good thing. I'm sure you can have them make the book "unavailable" until you get this sorted out. I believe you can select "unpublish" online, but I would check with customer service first to see what they advise.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 08, 2016, 05:01:25 AM
Thanks for the thread, Kay!  I, too, am a proud Scout reject, with the added bonus of Scout dragging out the process until I thought I would lose my mind.  I blogged about it should you wish to read my opinion.   :D

I published Merely Players on October twentieth.  Since I'm planning to release the second book, Another's Audience in early December, I want to line up a promotion push later this month.  I'm just happy that I've sold books to people I don't know, heh heh.  This is just the beginning and to be honest I'm proud of myself that I've gotten this far, considering how uncomfortable I was in the past letting people read my writing.  I'm even prouder that I momentarily overcame my revulsion of being photographed and now have a decent headshot!

How many people say that they're going to write a book and don't do it?  Everybody here's done it.  That's pretty awesome in itself, right?   

Welcome. Good to see you! I was thinking about you the other day. You and I share the  dubious distinction of waiting 12 or 13 days to be told NO! Make yourself at home and share your experiences. We're all here to help one another. Let us know what promotions you're using and how they go. That would be really helpful, and good luck with your second book! I need to get to work editing my books 2 and 3, but right now I'm too busy dealing with my book launch, and I have surgery on the 17th. Ugh.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 08, 2016, 05:55:36 AM
I haven't done a paperback yet, but I've noticed Scrivener has that as an option. For what reason do people not use that?
For me it was as simple as Scrivener not supporting my trim size (6 x 9) at the time I looked. (They may now.)

That said, there is some print edition tweaking that's easier to do in Word or in another word processor. I've not tried, but I think it might it's a little complicated to get Scrivener to not count the pages in the front matter, so that the first page of text comes out as 1. That's easier in Word. Word also has a better grammar checker, so I actually look at the file in Word before doing my ebook export. Word also catches a few things like extra spaces. (In Scrivener it is sometimes possible to miss the extra space if it happens at the end of a line in the display.)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 08, 2016, 06:11:41 AM
To those of you who responded to my question about hyphenation, thanks!

Since I'd already spent a day manually hyphenating the manuscript, I was inclined to take your advice--for the next book. However, I discovered what may be an interesting bug in the latest version of Word.

Word has sometimes been problematic in the past when converting to PDF because the pagination sometimes changes, and that's the problem I was having. Before I always found a way to correct the issue. The difference this time was whatever I did before wasn't working. I tried all the online fixes and got the same wrong result each time. That created TOC issues, though I could just renumber the pages in the TOC and then replace the old TOC with the corrected one in the PDF file. The biggest problem was the beloved hyphens again, because there was no easy way to fix problems like words breaking across pages when the page breaks were different in Word than they were in the resulting PDF.

Since Acrobat had recently updated as well, I thought maybe it was buggy, but Nuance PDF produced the same result. So did submitted the Word file to CS and letting them do the conversion. I also tried loading the Word file into Open Office Writer and converting to PDF from there. (Maybe I should have tried to save as an Open Office file first.)

Finally I stripped out the hyphens to see what I would get. Luckily, all of you were right. The manuscript actually looks just as good without hyphenation. I had worried the space between words would vary a lot, but it doesn't seem to be much of a visual issue, and not hyphenating probably improves readability slightly.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 08, 2016, 06:45:19 AM
Hey, all. I'm still on track for a January 3rd release for my Kindle Scout reject, War of the Worlds: Retaliation. The ARC paperback should populate to Amazon today, and I'll start distributing the electronic ARC via Instafreebie. PM me if you're interested in an ARC. You should be able to leave a review on Amazon right away. I cross-posted this in two other threads.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: EB on November 08, 2016, 07:34:12 AM
Mark, congrats on the upcoming release. 8) Question for you: how are you doing the early reviews? I know I've tried it before but it's been so long I'm not sure how to swing it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 08, 2016, 07:43:35 AM
Mark, congrats on the upcoming release. 8) Question for you: how are you doing the early reviews? I know I've tried it before but it's been so long I'm not sure how to swing it.
I published the ARC to Amazon via Createspace. Once it populated, I'll turn off the angel until the official launch on January 3rd. The listing will still be on Amazon, and available for reviews.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 08, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
Hi everyone! I'm coming to join you fresh from being rejected! I'm feeling alright about it right now, but that may all change in the next few hours!

I already started prepping for release, so I'm definitely going ahead. My only real worry is that basically I'm going to be releasing to nothing. I don't have a fan base or any way of really getting it out, so it kind of feels a bit pointless (there we go the rejection set in!)

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: lincolnjcole on November 08, 2016, 10:20:24 AM
Hi everyone! I'm coming to join you fresh from being rejected! I'm feeling alright about it right now, but that may all change in the next few hours!

I already started prepping for release, so I'm definitely going ahead. My only real worry is that basically I'm going to be releasing to nothing. I don't have a fan base or any way of really getting it out, so it kind of feels a bit pointless (there we go the rejection set in!)

Getting rejected isn't a big deal! Keep in mind, the best way to sell this book is to write the next one, and you can always use KS again! I've been rejected twice and selected once, and I just keep plugging away and trying again!
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 08, 2016, 10:28:19 AM
Getting rejected isn't a big deal! Keep in mind, the best way to sell this book is to write the next one, and you can always use KS again! I've been rejected twice and selected once, and I just keep plugging away and trying again!
Oh yeah I'm not put off trying again! I have other books on the go anyway!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 08, 2016, 10:54:22 AM
Hi everyone! I'm coming to join you fresh from being rejected! I'm feeling alright about it right now, but that may all change in the next few hours!

I already started prepping for release, so I'm definitely going ahead. My only real worry is that basically I'm going to be releasing to nothing. I don't have a fan base or any way of really getting it out, so it kind of feels a bit pointless (there we go the rejection set in!)

I have had over 200 rejections since I started writing professionally in 2012. I've even had a "rejection" from Hydra/Random House after I got a contract on the same title from H/RH. I've almost got enough to publish a 300-page book of rejection letters. Keep on keeping on.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 08, 2016, 10:56:46 AM
Hi everyone! I'm coming to join you fresh from being rejected! I'm feeling alright about it right now, but that may all change in the next few hours!

I already started prepping for release, so I'm definitely going ahead. My only real worry is that basically I'm going to be releasing to nothing. I don't have a fan base or any way of really getting it out, so it kind of feels a bit pointless (there we go the rejection set in!)
No one has a fan base in the beginning, and it takes time to build one. Even the people who now make a living at self publishing took at least a few books and a gradually growing momentum to get there.

I have definitely gotten some buys from nominees, and I'm sure you will as well. Also, I posted this thread earlier, but here it is again: http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,236763.0.html (http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,236763.0.html) It's a thread that discusses all kinds of promotional sites that will take new releases. Definitely worth exploring! What following I have I got mostly from earlier promotions.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 08, 2016, 11:34:12 AM
Hi everyone! I'm coming to join you fresh from being rejected! I'm feeling alright about it right now, but that may all change in the next few hours!

I already started prepping for release, so I'm definitely going ahead. My only real worry is that basically I'm going to be releasing to nothing. I don't have a fan base or any way of really getting it out, so it kind of feels a bit pointless (there we go the rejection set in!)
Sorry to hear that, but welcome to the cool kids table!  :P

I'm ashamed to admit that since I got my rejection, I've been going through the book, and I don't think it was ready for Scout. I hurried into it, excited, and it could have cost me. I didn't want to edit it while it was in the program, knowing I'd get the Kirkus edit anyway, so I didn't even look at it.  With a more objective eye, I'm fixing it quite a bit and will be releasing it soon.

TL;DR Rejection done me good for ma eye seeing!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 08, 2016, 12:19:23 PM
Hi everyone! I'm coming to join you fresh from being rejected! I'm feeling alright about it right now, but that may all change in the next few hours!

I already started prepping for release, so I'm definitely going ahead. My only real worry is that basically I'm going to be releasing to nothing. I don't have a fan base or any way of really getting it out, so it kind of feels a bit pointless (there we go the rejection set in!)

Sorry to hear you got the "No," but glad you're here.

I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have a fan base or a mailing list. I'm starting from scratch. I got little or nothing from my 2100 KS page views. Most of the people who are buying my book are people who know me. But as Bill said, you have to start somewhere, and once you start promoting your book you'll gain momentum. I'm off to a slow start because I launched at full price ($3.99) and I'm not in any promo newsletters, but once the word-of-mouth promo begins, it will help.

Today one of my husband's customers stopped in. He told me he and his daughter liked my book! I didn't know they'd bought it. The girl is ten and she loved it, even through the MC is 22. The dad is in his thirties and he said he really enjoyed it, too. They already posted about my book on FB, and now they're contacting all their family in the Philippines! So, I guess it goes to show that one or two fans can really make an impact on spreading the word. 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 08, 2016, 12:30:27 PM
Getting rejected isn't a big deal! Keep in mind, the best way to sell this book is to write the next one, and you can always use KS again! I've been rejected twice and selected once, and I just keep plugging away and trying again!

I tend to forget about your books that Scout passed on. Collision of Worlds looked great and I hope you're doing well with that one. You get to hang out with us here since you've had at least one KS rejection. HA!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 08, 2016, 12:37:20 PM
I have had over 200 rejections since I started writing professionally in 2012. I've even had a "rejection" from Hydra/Random House after I got a contract on the same title from H/RH. I've almost got enough to publish a 300-page book of rejection letters. Keep on keeping on.

I'm not ready to give up yet! Just feeling a bit dejected, but I'd already prepared myself for the rejection so it's not too bad.

No one has a fan base in the beginning, and it takes time to build one. Even the people who now make a living at self publishing took at least a few books and a gradually growing momentum to get there.

I have definitely gotten some buys from nominees, and I'm sure you will as well. Also, I posted this thread earlier, but here it is again: http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,236763.0.html (http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,236763.0.html) It's a thread that discusses all kinds of promotional sites that will take new releases. Definitely worth exploring! What following I have I got mostly from earlier promotions.

Thank you for the link! It'll be a big help Bill! It doesn't help that I feel like I'm starting from the very start because my already published stuff basically shifts zilch (due to reasons I suspect are completely out of my control for the time being)

Sorry to hear that, but welcome to the cool kids table!  :P

I'm ashamed to admit that since I got my rejection, I've been going through the book, and I don't think it was ready for Scout. I hurried into it, excited, and it could have cost me. I didn't want to edit it while it was in the program, knowing I'd get the Kirkus edit anyway, so I didn't even look at it.  With a more objective eye, I'm fixing it quite a bit and will be releasing it soon.

TL;DR Rejection done me good for ma eye seeing!

The cool kids table is the *best* place to be!
I've got the slog through to do still, but I suspect one of the reasons for my rejection are the flashback scenes, they were necessary for the story but they deal with abuse in relationships, which I can understand is a touchy subject!

Sorry to hear you got the "No," but glad you're here.

I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have a fan base or a mailing list. I'm starting from scratch. I got little or nothing from my 2100 KS page views. Most of the people who are buying my book are people who know me. But as Bill said, you have to start somewhere, and once you start promoting your book you'll gain momentum. I'm off to a slow start because I launched at full price ($3.99) and I'm not in any promo newsletters, but once the word-of-mouth promo begins, it will help.

Today one of my husband's customers stopped in. He told me he and his daughter liked my book! I didn't know they'd bought it. The girl is ten and she loved it, even through the MC is 22. The dad is in his thirties and he said he really enjoyed it, too. They already posted about my book on FB, and now they're contacting all their family in the Philippines! So, I guess it goes to show that one or two fans can really make an impact on spreading the word. 

That's great about your friend and his daughter! :-)

Yeah it'll take time, but I have too many stories in my head to stop now!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: EB on November 08, 2016, 01:01:14 PM
I published the ARC to Amazon via Createspace. Once it populated, I'll turn off the angel until the official launch on January 3rd. The listing will still be on Amazon, and available for reviews.

OMG, I'm such a dummy. Thanks for clarifying that.  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 08, 2016, 01:46:13 PM
Sorry to hear that, but welcome to the cool kids table!  :P

I'm ashamed to admit that since I got my rejection, I've been going through the book, and I don't think it was ready for Scout. I hurried into it, excited, and it could have cost me. I didn't want to edit it while it was in the program, knowing I'd get the Kirkus edit anyway, so I didn't even look at it.  With a more objective eye, I'm fixing it quite a bit and will be releasing it soon.

TL;DR Rejection done me good for ma eye seeing!
Interestingly, I had a somewhat similar experience. I didn't hurry it, but I still missed errors anyway. Before sending the book to the editor, I went over the whole thing again, and then I did two reading after I got it back from the editor. Yet when I was readying it for publication, I found other problems I hadn't caught in the other readings. While none of them were major, collectively they did add up. I'm not sure how the KS editors would respond, knowing the book would go through another round of editing, but at the very least errors wouldn't be a point in my favor.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 08, 2016, 02:04:25 PM
Thank you for the link! It'll be a big help Bill! It doesn't help that I feel like I'm starting from the very start because my already published stuff basically shifts zilch (due to reasons I suspect are completely out of my control for the time being)
My already published stuff did a lot of sitting at first. Only very gradually did it gain what little traction it has.

It's really true of most people that they either have to have the the next great bestseller on their hands, be incredibly lucky, or promote like crazy to get much action. In the first few years, my sales spikes were tied very clearly to promotions. My pattern is less that way now, but I have to keep reminding myself I've got those AMS ads running in the background, and the book that performs best on AMS has been the one from which I get most of my sales. It is the first in the series, though, so that's also a factor. People read the first one and then trickle through the series at different rates. KU readers go through much faster. Part of the process these days is getting noticed by the KU folk. The enthusiastic ones sometimes read my whole series in a week, and Different Lee got five full reads in the first two days it was out.

Speaking of which, I'm doing a bargain booksy promotion today, and much to my surprise, the book already has 30 sales, better than I've ever done with bargain booksy. The moral of that story is that you can't always predict when success is coming. That doesn't mean it won't.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Lori Saltis on November 08, 2016, 02:44:39 PM
Yay! I found my peeps!  ;D 8)  Now I gotta go back through the thread and read everything, but hello!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 08, 2016, 03:09:57 PM
Yay! I found my peeps!  ;D 8)  Now I gotta go back through the thread and read everything, but hello!


Hi, Lori! So happy to see you!!! It's wonderful to hang out here with so many knowledgeable and truly supportive people. Pull up a chair and get comfortable.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Lori Saltis on November 08, 2016, 03:49:54 PM

Hi, Lori! So happy to see you!!! It's wonderful to hang out here with so many knowledgeable and truly supportive people. Pull up a chair and get comfortable.

Hi Kay! Thanks for starting this thread. It's nice to see so many familiar faces as well as new people.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 09, 2016, 05:14:47 AM
For those of you who are pondering promo opps after a release, I have to recommend Bargain Booksy. In prior promos, I think I've never had more than 15 sales. This time I had 48 sales. (Yesterday was the best day I've had in months!) I don't know what Bargain Booksy is doing these days, but evidently it's better. Of course, some of those may have been the tail of the two promos from the previous day, though neither one of those was huge the day they ran (11 sales, split two ways), and it would be pretty rare for the tail to be bigger than the initial surge. The 5 sales today, though, might legitimately be to some extent a Bargain Booksy tail, or they could be caused by increased search visibility.

It's also possible I'm still getting a little momentum from KS. The also-viewed list has shuffled a little but still includes a lot of recently debuted KS non-selected books. Of course, that effect can't be measured accurately any more because of the other promos, but my gut is telling me all the exposure in KS did in fact make some difference.

I'm also interested in the geography of the sales. Normally, my sales are mostly US; in fact, I can sometimes go for three months without seeing a non-US sale. The DLsales are still predominately US, but with some interesting twists: US: 77; UK: 8; France: 1; Italy 1 (maybe the same person who bought my Halloween novella); Canada: 2; Mexico 1; Australia: 1. All but France, Italy, and Mexico are now experiencing significant KU activity, giving me about another nine full reads and change. Normally, I get a little KU in the UK, and that's it. I don't yet have a decent theory to explain the increased international activity, but it's certainly nice to have it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 09, 2016, 05:37:35 AM
For those of you who are pondering promo opps after a release, I have to recommend Bargain Booksy. In prior promos, I think I've never had more than 15 sales. This time I had 48 sales. (Yesterday was the best day I've had in months!) I don't know what Bargain Booksy is doing these days, but evidently it's better. Of course, some of those may have been the tail of the two promos from the previous day, though neither one of those was huge the day they ran (11 sales, split two ways), and it would be pretty rare for the tail to be bigger than the initial surge. The 5 sales today, though, might legitimately be to some extent a Bargain Booksy tail, or they could be caused by increased search visibility.

It's also possible I'm still getting a little momentum from KS. The also-viewed list has shuffled a little but still includes a lot of recently debuted KS non-selected books. Of course, that effect can't be measured accurately any more because of the other promos, but my gut is telling me all the exposure in KS did in fact make some difference.

I'm also interested in the geography of the sales. Normally, my sales are mostly US; in fact, I can sometimes go for three months without seeing a non-US sale. The DLsales are still predominately US, but with some interesting twists: US: 77; UK: 8; France: 1; Italy 1 (maybe the same person who bought my Halloween novella); Canada: 2; Mexico 1; Australia: 1. All but France, Italy, and Mexico are now experiencing significant KU activity, giving me about another nine full reads and change. Normally, I get a little KU in the UK, and that's it. I don't yet have a decent theory to explain the increased international activity, but it's certainly nice to have it.

This info is so helpful. Thanks for sharing!

No one's found my book yet for KU. I'm hoping they will eventually

EDITED: just checked my stats and I have my first KENP!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 09, 2016, 06:40:02 AM
I have too many stories in my head to stop now!
Oh I know that feeling. I finally had to start documenting the details of the ideas when they came to me. So many stories to choose from and not enough time to write.  ???
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: EB on November 09, 2016, 06:57:19 AM
Oh I know that feeling. I finally had to start documenting the details of the ideas when they came to me. So many stories to choose from and not enough time to write.  ???

Ditto that. I don't think I'll live long enough to write them all.  :-X
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 09, 2016, 07:04:23 AM
Ditto that. I don't think I'll live long enough to write them all.  :-X
This is why I feel lucky to have started writing in my 20s! Though I'm sure there will be more ideas than I can write down to come!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: PatriciaThomson on November 09, 2016, 08:31:49 AM
This info is so helpful. Thanks for sharing!

No one's found my book yet for KU. I'm hoping they will eventually

EDITED: just checked my stats and I have my first KENP!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!   8)

Bargain Booksy is at the top of my promo list too as I'm on track for completing the editing for my second book and BB seems to get good results.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Shanna Moncuse on November 09, 2016, 08:40:27 AM
This may sound stupid, especially since I'm already self-published, but what is Kindle Scout? I keep seeing this thread and I have no idea...
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 09, 2016, 09:15:35 AM
This is why I feel lucky to have started writing in my 20s! Though I'm sure there will be more ideas than I can write down to come!

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Good for you! I started writing in my 20s, too. I published about 40 short stories and wrote a couple novels, one of which is Beyond the Forest, which I'm finally publishing decades later! Life and my career got in the way back then, but now I'm back to writing. I hope you don't lose decades like I did! 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 09, 2016, 09:17:55 AM
This may sound stupid, especially since I'm already self-published, but what is Kindle Scout? I keep seeing this thread and I have no idea...

https://kindlescout.amazon.com/

You submit your unpublished novel for a potential publishing contract with Amazon Press. See link above.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 09, 2016, 10:43:59 AM
This is why I feel lucky to have started writing in my 20s! Though I'm sure there will be more ideas than I can write down to come!

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Hey now, I am only 2 decades ahead of you. Starting writing in your 40s is ok...right?  :o
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 09, 2016, 10:54:19 AM
Hey now, I am only 2 decades ahead of you. Starting writing in your 40s is ok...right?  :o
I think starting anytime is good! I'm so behind compared to one of my oldest friends, he started writing his first book at 13! He published it a couple of years ago!

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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 09, 2016, 11:07:06 AM
I think starting anytime is good! I'm so behind compared to one of my oldest friends, he started writing his first book at 13! He published it a couple of years ago!

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13??? Oh damn, now I really feel old. I wish now I paid attention to those boring English teachers in school.  ;D
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 09, 2016, 11:24:35 AM
13??? Oh damn, now I really feel old. I wish now I paid attention to those boring English teachers in school.  ;D
Yeah 13, he wrote it based on a series of dreams he used to have (as far as I'm aware he still keeps dream journals to this day).

A lot of the characters were based on his group of friends (so my group of friends!) so it was a slightly odd read for me!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Shanna Moncuse on November 09, 2016, 04:29:34 PM
https://kindlescout.amazon.com/

You submit your unpublished novel for a potential publishing contract with Amazon Press. See link above.

Ohh, okay! Thank you very much!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 10, 2016, 02:06:42 AM
Hey guys,

So I'm feeling my way through a new release without just hitting "publish," and I'm releasing a few chapters of Warriors on a few different sites if you want to check them out! I plan on publishing on November 28th.

Wattpad: http://my.w.tt/UiNb/nEyZOH4zby
Scriggler: https://scriggler.com/Profile/carey_lewis
WriteOn: https://writeon.amazon.com/read/story/Carey_Lewis_Warriors/amzn1.ignite.story.40f01b41bd834481e0530100007f0fb9?ref_=ign_m_st_dc&segment=amzn1.ignite.segment.40f01b41bd854481e0530100007f0fb9

If you like Crime Fiction/ Thriller with some humor, give it a read! I'll be adding chapters every few days or so until release  :D
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 10, 2016, 04:00:23 AM
Ohh, okay! Thank you very much!
It's very worth giving a shot, by the way. Unlike many other trad publishing opportunities, you don't need an agent to submit (or to have serious consideration), you know one way or the other in at most 45 days (unlike the months it would take a lot of publishers), and being selected is a good thing, at least judging from the selected authors who post on Kboards.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 10, 2016, 04:18:50 AM
New release promo update: Awesomegang appears to have generated about 10 sales. As they're a very small operation, that's not bad. As with Bargain Booksy, that's better than I've done with them in the past.

Today: Booktastic
11/11: Kboards discovery
11/12: Ripley's Booklist (YA or NA only; Different Lee is NA)

In an idea world, I'd have one every day, but in fact some of them clump, and there are some gaps (plus three outliers in December). Still, with that many companies involved, it's a miracle to just get them all scheduled.

I'm still having more international action than usual, with no clear explanation. (I have KU pages in Mexico, which I had forgotten even had KU, and people are reading five different books in the UK right now.) I speculate that my involvement in successful cross-promotional Halloween anthology helped, because that anthology did very well in some international markets.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 10, 2016, 08:42:28 AM
Hello again. I'm back. I'm sure I wasn't missed, but I want to explain my long absence. I know we are not supposed to discuss politics and religion on this board, but I am in the first stage of grief, and I will never, never , never go to the fifth stage. In the meantime, I have you guys! Thanks, Kay. Thanks, Jada, for reviewing Diary of a Wildflower. Thanks everybody for your support.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 10, 2016, 08:50:02 AM
Hello again. I'm back. I'm sure I wasn't missed, but I want to explain my long absence. I know we are not supposed to discuss politics and religion on this board, but I am in the first stage of grief, and I will never, never , never go to the fifth stage. In the meantime, I have you guys! Thanks, Kay. Thanks, Jada, for reviewing Diary of a Wildflower. Thanks everybody for your support.

Glad to see you back! How did your Free Promo days go? Did you get lots of downloads?

Based on Bill's good experiences, I just signed up for a Bargain Booksy promo to run Nov. 16th, and Ripley's booklist to run on some unspecified date in December. I hope they write back to let me know when to look for the ad.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 10, 2016, 08:53:08 AM
I'm interested. Where do I sign up?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 10, 2016, 09:43:07 AM
I'm interested. Where do I sign up?

Bargain Booksy is for books under $5.00 and you don't need a specified number of reviews. It's https://www.bargainbooksy.com

The other site is only for YA and NA but you have books that fit those categories. You can sign up here

http://www.ripleypatton.com/ripleys-booklist/booklist-author-info-and-submissions/#sthash.r7cMG8A0.dpbs
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 10, 2016, 11:08:05 AM
So I am trying to get some reviews for my book, as we all are. I am curious about the best way to go about it.

I heard you can run a free promotion day(s) and then gift the book.

Do you guys know of any other ways so I am not paying for my own book to give to someone and hopefully get some reviews?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: EB on November 10, 2016, 11:19:18 AM
So I am trying to get some reviews for my book, as we all are. I am curious about the best way to go about it.

I heard you can run a free promotion day(s) and then gift the book.

Do you guys know of any other ways so I am not paying for my own book to give to someone and hopefully get some reviews?

I've been using instaFreebie to distribute ARCs and I love it. They convert the book for the format the reader needs and they also give the reader instructions on how to download it, which is a huge time saver. I run private password-protected instaFreebies on my ARCs that I send out to readers on my list who request it. It is nice because I can see who has downloaded it.

You can run a free promotion and post to your social media, asking readers to please read & review. Goodreads groups also have a lot of hungry readers who are willing to review, but you do need to participate in the group & not just be a drive-by poster for people to want to download your book.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 10, 2016, 02:17:27 PM
So I am trying to get some reviews for my book, as we all are. I am curious about the best way to go about it.

I heard you can run a free promotion day(s) and then gift the book.

Do you guys know of any other ways so I am not paying for my own book to give to someone and hopefully get some reviews?
There are FB groups that facilitate connecting authors and reviewers, but in that kind of situation you might have to gift the book from Amazon. (Some reviewers would take an emailed file, however.)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 10, 2016, 02:33:21 PM
A miracle has just occurred. I actually got a sale from an AMS ad for Different Lee after only 15 clicks. That might be a fluke, of course, but I thought it was interesting.

Actually, it's not that miraculous. It means I'm getting conversions 6.6% of the time. I just checked my most productive ad, and with it I'm getting conversions 7.9% of the time. That said, most of my ads are closer to 1%, so maybe it is a little miraculous. We'll just have to see, I guess.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 10, 2016, 02:43:25 PM
A miracle has just occurred. I actually got a sale from an AMS ad for Different Lee after only 15 clicks. That might be a fluke, of course, but I thought it was interesting.

Actually, it's not that miraculous. It means I'm getting conversions 6.6% of the time. I just checked my most productive ad, and with it I'm getting conversions 7.9% of the time. That said, most of my ads are closer to 1%, so maybe it is a little miraculous. We'll just have to see, I guess.

I've only had one conversion within 71 clicks and some of my clicks are quite expensive. I may remove/pause the more expensive keywords if they don't get conversions, but I'm looking at it as visibility and exposure despite the fact that I'm way under water at this point.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 10, 2016, 02:58:24 PM
A miracle has just occurred. I actually got a sale from an AMS ad for Different Lee after only 15 clicks. That might be a fluke, of course, but I thought it was interesting.

Actually, it's not that miraculous. It means I'm getting conversions 6.6% of the time. I just checked my most productive ad, and with it I'm getting conversions 7.9% of the time. That said, most of my ads are closer to 1%, so maybe it is a little miraculous. We'll just have to see, I guess.
LOL, I tried an AMS ad and spent more than I made. :(
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 10, 2016, 03:01:04 PM
I've been using instaFreebie to distribute ARCs and I love it. They convert the book for the format the reader needs and they also give the reader instructions on how to download it, which is a huge time saver. I run private password-protected instaFreebies on my ARCs that I send out to readers on my list who request it. It is nice because I can see who has downloaded it.

You can run a free promotion and post to your social media, asking readers to please read & review. Goodreads groups also have a lot of hungry readers who are willing to review, but you do need to participate in the group & not just be a drive-by poster for people to want to download your book.
With instaFreebie though they do not show as "verified purchaser" though if they put the review on Amazon though, right? Though I guess if they put the review on Goodreads it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 10, 2016, 06:49:47 PM
With instaFreebie though they do not show as "verified purchaser" though if they put the review on Amazon though, right? Though I guess if they put the review on Goodreads it doesn't matter.
Author Francois, saw this and thought of you https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe_4DRriWZ1cs81fzJte_p4nqgQCMdXomhOcyfzGD7C11XHDQ/viewform

Hope it helps  :)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 11, 2016, 09:45:46 AM
Author Francois, saw this and thought of you https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe_4DRriWZ1cs81fzJte_p4nqgQCMdXomhOcyfzGD7C11XHDQ/viewform

Hope it helps  :)
That's actually not a bad thing for anyone in the genre, though I did enough around Halloween that required me to advertise to my mailing list that I think I need to give them a break.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 11, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
I've only had one conversion within 71 clicks and some of my clicks are quite expensive. I may remove/pause the more expensive keywords if they don't get conversions, but I'm looking at it as visibility and exposure despite the fact that I'm way under water at this point.
Most of my AMS ads are that way, but I too see it as good exposure. Actually, most advertisers would see a 1% conversion rate as good. The problem with ebooks is they aren't expensive enough to be profitable at that conversion rate.

Miracle update: I'm now at 2 sales for 16 clicks, a 12.5% conversion rate. If that held up, I'd actually make money on the ad. I'm only averaging 15 cents a click, which amazes me. Particularly with the opening of AMS ads to anyone in KDP, I figured rates would go up.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 11, 2016, 01:44:20 PM
Hey, all. I'm still on track for a January 3rd release for my Kindle Scout reject, War of the Worlds: Retaliation. The ARC paperback should populate to Amazon today, and I'll start distributing the electronic ARC via Instafreebie. PM me if you're interested in an ARC. You should be able to leave a review on Amazon right away. I cross-posted this in two other threads.

How is everything going, Mark?

I just posted an update about my book on FB and someone said she loved the new font and asked me what it's called. I had no idea! Can you tell me the name? THANKS!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 11, 2016, 01:46:06 PM
Most of my AMS ads are that way, but I too see it as good exposure. Actually, most advertisers would see a 1% conversion rate as good. The problem with ebooks is they aren't expensive enough to be profitable at that conversion rate.

Miracle update: I'm now at 2 sales for 16 clicks, a 12.5% conversion rate. If that held up, I'd actually make money on the ad. I'm only averaging 15 cents a click, which amazes me. Particularly with the opening of AMS ads to anyone in KDP, I figured rates would go up.

You also brought up a good point the other day: The ads might be responsible for some of our KENP reads. I had more reported today. YAY!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 11, 2016, 03:52:57 PM
You also brought up a good point the other day: The ads might be responsible for some of our KENP reads. I had more reported today. YAY!
I was actually about to give up on Select, in part because my KENP reads were so low anyway, but then AMS ads came out, and I thought I would give them a try. Boom! My pages read quadrupled almost instantly. I tried stopping the ads, and they went back to the previous level. I restarted the ads, and boom, the level quadrupled again, and then increased even more. I have no doubt AMS makes a difference there. It's just too bad Amazon won't include those stats. It would make it easier to compute ROI.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 11, 2016, 05:04:53 PM
I was actually about to give up on Select, in part because my KENP reads were so low anyway, but then AMS ads came out, and I thought I would give them a try. Boom! My pages read quadrupled almost instantly. I tried stopping the ads, and they went back to the previous level. I restarted the ads, and boom, the level quadrupled again, and then increased even more. I have no doubt AMS makes a difference there. It's just too bad Amazon won't include those stats. It would make it easier to compute ROI.

Fascinating! It's good to know that your efforts are being rewarded.

My AMS clicks have slowed to a trickle the last few days. I've heard others note this phenomenon. They claim Amazon rotates through the participants to keep the exposure fair. It's too soon for me to make any reliable first-hand observations, and it will be interesting to compare notes with you.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 11, 2016, 06:28:39 PM
How is everything going, Mark?

I just posted an update about my book on FB and someone said she loved the new font and asked me what it's called. I had no idea! Can you tell me the name? THANKS!
It's actually two different fonts that I rasterized and used the shape tool in PS to mod each letter flourish. The two fonts are Trajan pro, and Cinzel.

As for how things are going, I'm still working through the non-English versions of my books!
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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Luke Christodoulou on November 12, 2016, 02:22:49 AM
Great idea for a post. I think authors whose first book was not accepted by kindle scout might feel lost as to self-publishing, I have put my 4th book up for kindle scout (check it out here, if you please: https://kindlescout.amazon.com/p/35DL05FCIVTQK ). If I am not accepted, my book will follow the road of the other books in my Greek Island Mysteries series and be available on Amazon.
Keep your spirits high people. Every book has an audience.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: bfleetwood on November 12, 2016, 02:45:15 AM
Fascinating! It's good to know that your efforts are being rewarded.

My AMS clicks have slowed to a trickle the last few days. I've heard others note this phenomenon. They claim Amazon rotates through the participants to keep the exposure fair. It's too soon for me to make any reliable first-hand observations, and it will be interesting to compare notes with you.

Finally made it onto the thread... Hi folks (and Hi Kay - thanks for giving my adjusted author profile pic the thumbs up!), great to see everyone sharing information and supporting one another. Have been trying to catch up on the discussions and feel I should know what AMS stands for, but other than realising it must be an Amazon driven ad, can someone enlighten me?!  :-[ Thanks. My book launch will be 20 Nov and I have booked a Freebooksy ad and a kindle ad. I have no idea how we find out where the downloads come from but assume it shows up on the bookshelf reports?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 12, 2016, 03:12:30 AM
Finally made it onto the thread... Hi folks (and Hi Kay - thanks for giving my adjusted author profile pic the thumbs up!), great to see everyone sharing information and supporting one another. Have been trying to catch up on the discussions and feel I should know what AMS stands for, but other than realising it must be an Amazon driven ad, can someone enlighten me?!  :-[ Thanks. My book launch will be 20 Nov and I have booked a Freebooksy ad and a kindle ad. I have no idea how we find out where the downloads come from but assume it shows up on the bookshelf reports?

AMS is Amazon Marketing Services. There are two kinds of ads but the best for books seems to be the Sponsored Products ads. You can use up to 1000 keywords and bid for what you're willing to pay per click. You don't pay for impressions, only for clicks. It's a rather unique system.

As for bookshelf info, it's not like Kindle Scout. You won't have any idea if your sales are being driven by FB,  Twitter or personal webpage etc.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: bfleetwood on November 12, 2016, 03:34:39 AM
AMS is Amazon Marketing Services. There are two kinds of ads but the best for books seems to be the Sponsored Products ads. You can use up to 1000 keywords and bid for what you're willing to pay per click. You don't pay for impressions, only for clicks. It's a rather unique system.

As for bookshelf info, it's not like Kindle Scout. You won't have any idea if your sales are being driven by FB,  Twitter or personal webpage etc.

Thanks Kay - it feels a bit like wading through treacle but getting there! B
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 12, 2016, 06:17:14 AM
Status report: Booktastic and Kboards Discovery each produced a few sales for me, though it's hard to tell exactly how many. Running an ad every day is the best pattern for momentum, but not the best for analysis, since some sales the following day could be the tail from the previous promotion.

For my first release a little more than four years ago, I got 25 sales and 3 KOLL borrows in my first month (mostly US, but also UK, France, and Germany). Different Lee did more than four times better than that in its first week: 117 sales, 7,451 KU pages (equivalent to about 14.8 full reads). Most of the sales and KU activity is in the US, but this time also includes the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Mexico, and Australia. These are not great stats compared to some of the KDP heavy hitters, but it's the best book launch I've ever had.

Today I have a Ripley's Booklist ad. It's going to be interesting to see what that does, because Ripley's Booklist was the source of a highly successful Scout promo, so a lot of her subscribers have already been exposed to the book. In the past RB ads have produced very few sales for me, so it will be interesting to see if the extra exposure translates into sales. So far advertisers I've used in the past, particularly Bargain Booksy, have exceeded their earlier performance levels by a lot.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 12, 2016, 07:34:48 AM
Status report: Booktastic and Kboards Discovery each produced a few sales for me, though it's hard to tell exactly how many. Running an ad every day is the best pattern for momentum, but not the best for analysis, since some sales the following day could be the tail from the previous promotion.

For my first release a little more than four years ago, I got 25 sales and 3 KOLL borrows in my first month (mostly US, but also UK, France, and Germany). Different Lee did more than four times better than that in its first week: 117 sales, 7,451 KU pages (equivalent to about 14.8 full reads). Most of the sales and KU activity is in the US, but this time also includes the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Mexico, and Australia. These are not great stats compared to some of the KDP heavy hitters, but it's the best book launch I've ever had.

Today I have a Ripley's Booklist ad. It's going to be interesting to see what that does, because Ripley's Booklist was the source of a highly successful Scout promo, so a lot of her subscribers have already been exposed to the book. In the past RB ads have produced very few sales for me, so it will be interesting to see if the extra exposure translates into sales. So far advertisers I've used in the past, particularly Bargain Booksy, have exceeded their earlier performance levels by a lot.

I'm looking at your SPECIAL FEATURE Ripley's ad now and it's beauteous!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Browland86 on November 12, 2016, 08:37:03 AM
Hi, everyone! I've been gone for a couple weeks, busy with formatting and preparing An Aching Kind of Growing for Amazon, and it's finally live! Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N0C3E57 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N0C3E57)

I'm glad to see everyone proceeding with their books and sharing promotion ideas! I'll have to keep visiting here to get ideas on marketing and figuring out where to go from here!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 12, 2016, 08:43:50 AM
Hi, everyone! I've been gone for a couple weeks, busy with formatting and preparing An Aching Kind of Growing for Amazon, and it's finally live! Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N0C3E57 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N0C3E57)

I'm glad to see everyone proceeding with their books and sharing promotion ideas! I'll have to keep visiting here to get ideas on marketing and figuring out where to go from here!

Good luck! It's great that you published your book right away while it's still fresh in people's minds.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Browland86 on November 12, 2016, 12:22:39 PM
Good luck! It's great that you published your book right away while it's still fresh in people's minds.

Thanks! That's what I'm hoping!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 12, 2016, 01:06:04 PM
I just picked up a copy (and it certainly was fresh in my mind!)

I agree it's best to get the book out as soon after the end of the Scout campaign as possible.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 13, 2016, 05:17:20 AM
Status Update: Ripley's Booklist netted me 13 sales, plus whatever I get today (no other promos are running). That's considerably better than what I've gotten in the past, perhaps in part because her list responded so well to my Scout campaign. In fact, it might well have been higher, but I have the feeling some of her subscribers were nominators who may have already bought the book. Even so, that seems to have been the second biggest promo so far (Bargain Booksy still being the first).

The schedule coming up is not quite as full, and there is a deliberate gap around Thanksgiving weekend.

Choosy Bookworm: 11/14, 11/28/ 12/5
Ebook Soda:  11/17
Betty Book Freak: 11/18
Booksends: 11/19
Book Raid: 11/21
Books Butterfly: 11/29-30
Ebook Hounds: 12/1
EReader News Today: 12/2 (Yes, I got them! Biggest promoter for me in the past, but harder and harder to get into recently.)
Kindle Book Review: 12/3-12/4
Genre Crave: 12/5
Fussy Librarian: 12/13

For those of you who are wondering, no, I didn't spread them out that far on purpose. In the case of the late ones, I got the earliest available date, which tells you something about the difficulty of booking the items toward the end of the list. (I didn't try Book Barbarian because the earliest date was 12/23!)

For those of you planning a launch promo schedule, planning ahead helps. I didn't want to start scheduling until I knew the book was live, which is safer, but it also means your launch window may be over a month long. The pros of a long window are the possibility for the book to get "sticky" (cling to higher ratings longer), the ability to more accurately measure the impact of each promo. The cons are a big spike with several promos simultaneously would drive you to a higher ranking, which might trigger a different kind of algorithmic blessing (or so the ancient myths say). The Bargain Booksy day got me to around 5,000 in the paid store, but a big promo on debut novel (100 plus sales, mostly on one day) got me to 4,000, the highest any of my books have ever been. I got a lot of Amazon rec emails during that time. (I know because some people shared them with me.)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Joynell Schultz on November 13, 2016, 05:20:15 AM
Hi all! I'm just popping over, enjoying what a fabulous referenced this thread will be for me.  Thank you for starting it! 
(I've now gone 11 days without appearing on the Hot & Trending list. Part of me wishes the agony to end quickly!)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 13, 2016, 05:33:00 AM
Hi all! I'm just popping over, enjoying what a fabulous referenced this thread will be for me.  Thank you for starting it! 
(I've now gone 11 days without appearing on the Hot & Trending list. Part of me wishes the agony to end quickly!)
Just keep in mind that the stats mean little. I was Hot and Trending for over 500 hours, and it got me--nowhere! (Well, it probably has gotten me sales since my book launched, so I shouldn't complain.)
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 13, 2016, 06:42:29 AM
I'm honestly dreading the promo angle. I just don't have the funds for the most proven methods which I worry is really going to set me back.

My general plan for What Lies Beneath the Mask though is one week pre orders and then the rest of December on offer before upping the price...However this is the first time I have full control over a book so it could be interesting!

On a side note just started the paid version of instafreebie to see if I can up my mailing list numbers (I have a magnet short story on Instafreebie) and it *seems* to have tripled my list (which was small anyway!) So, so far, so good I think.

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Cindy Rinaman Marsch on November 13, 2016, 06:43:41 AM
Status Update: Ripley's Booklist netted me 13 sales, plus whatever I get today (no other promos are running). That's considerably better than what I've gotten in the past, perhaps in part because her list responded so well to my Scout campaign. In fact, it might well have been higher, but I have the feeling some of her subscribers were nominators who may have already bought the book. Even so, that seems to have been the second biggest promo so far (Bargain Booksy still being the first).

The schedule coming up is not quite as full, and there is a deliberate gap around Thanksgiving weekend.

Choosy Bookworm: 11/14, 11/28/ 12/5
Ebook Soda:  11/17
Betty Book Freak: 11/18
Booksends: 11/19
Book Raid: 11/21
Books Butterfly: 11/29-30
Ebook Hounds: 12/1
EReader News Today: 12/2 (Yes, I got them! Biggest promoter for me in the past, but harder and harder to get into recently.)
Kindle Book Review: 12/3-12/4
Genre Crave: 12/5
Fussy Librarian: 12/13

For those of you who are wondering, no, I didn't spread them out that far on purpose. In the case of the late ones, I got the earliest available date, which tells you something about the difficulty of booking the items toward the end of the list. (I didn't try Book Barbarian because the earliest date was 12/23!)

For those of you planning a launch promo schedule, planning ahead helps. I didn't want to start scheduling until I knew the book was live, which is safer, but it also means your launch window may be over a month long. The pros of a long window are the possibility for the book to get "sticky" (cling to higher ratings longer), the ability to more accurately measure the impact of each promo. The cons are a big spike with several promos simultaneously would drive you to a higher ranking, which might trigger a different kind of algorithmic blessing (or so the ancient myths say). The Bargain Booksy day got me to around 5,000 in the paid store, but a big promo on debut novel (100 plus sales, mostly on one day) got me to 4,000, the highest any of my books have ever been. I got a lot of Amazon rec emails during that time. (I know because some people shared them with me.)


Bill, you're very generous to share your stats with folks trying to work through promotional opportunities. I've done that in the past myself (nothing in particular going on right now beyond writing the next book!).
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 13, 2016, 08:25:53 AM
I'm honestly dreading the promo angle. I just don't have the funds for the most proven methods which I worry is really going to set me back.

My general plan for What Lies Beneath the Mask though is one week pre orders and then the rest of December on offer before upping the price...However this is the first time I have full control over a book so it could be interesting!

On a side note just started the paid version of instafreebie to see if I can up my mailing list numbers (I have a magnet short story on Instafreebie) and it *seems* to have tripled my list (which was small anyway!) So, so far, so good I think.

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Keep an eye open for cross promotional opportunities in the right genre. Kboards seems to have a lot of them, and they're typically free.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 13, 2016, 08:44:50 AM
Can anyone explain this? Yesterday early in the morning my sales rank was something like 175,000. I looked a few hours later and it had dipped to around 64,000. I know ranking is a moving comparison with other writers, but based on what I've seen so far, a big numerical drop indicates sales or KENP. I checked this morning and there are no sales reported or KENP. Weird. Do product page views have any impact? I was featured in our local newspaper (small population here) so people who were merely curious may have looked up my book on Amazon even if they didn't plan to buy it. I've never heard of page views affecting sales rank but I don't know how else to explain it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 13, 2016, 09:39:04 AM
Uh, don't say too much, in case it's an error. Just take the good news and enjoy!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 13, 2016, 09:55:26 AM
Can anyone explain this? Yesterday early in the morning my sales rank was something like 175,000. I looked a few hours later and it had dipped to around 64,000. I know ranking is a moving comparison with other writers, but based on what I've seen so far, a big numerical drop indicates sales or KENP. I checked this morning and there are no sales reported or KENP. Weird. Do product page views have any impact? I was featured in our local newspaper (small population here) so people who were merely curious may have looked up my book on Amazon even if they didn't plan to buy it. I've never heard of page views affecting sales rank but I don't know how else to explain it.
The KENP part is tricky because it's not the pages read that contribute to the ranking; it's the initial borrow. Someone might borrow the book through KU and not read it until days later, so nothing shows, but the rank changes. Similarly, you can have pages read piling up like crazy and no change in rank, because the books were borrowed earlier and are only now being read.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Cindy Rinaman Marsch on November 14, 2016, 04:09:39 AM
Can anyone explain this? Yesterday early in the morning my sales rank was something like 175,000. I looked a few hours later and it had dipped to around 64,000. I know ranking is a moving comparison with other writers, but based on what I've seen so far, a big numerical drop indicates sales or KENP. I checked this morning and there are no sales reported or KENP. Weird. Do product page views have any impact? I was featured in our local newspaper (small population here) so people who were merely curious may have looked up my book on Amazon even if they didn't plan to buy it. I've never heard of page views affecting sales rank but I don't know how else to explain it.

Kay, as I've watched mine over the months, I would say that jump corresponds to one KU borrow, and if you had two it would probably go to about 20k. When my book and story first came out I had a lot of jumping back and forth, and then in recent months I settled into a "usual range" that doesn't jump around as much. But if I go a few days without a buy or borrow, it slips down to about 100k. And I find that my short story does well when it does well, as "doing well" is measured for me very modestly: if someone does a KU borrow or a buy, the story pops up to the top 10 or 20 in its category, which inspires another borrow or buy, which keeps it up there, and . . .  That's where being in a "rare category" helps. My short story is in historical fiction short stories and anthologies and I usually hang out with box sets from ML Gardner and a lot of single Louis L'Amours. :-)  I definitely see how having that "high floater" helps sell my novel as an also-bought, because when I go several days with no buys/borrows, they both sink and stay sunk, and a pop up in one brings up the other, most typically the short story (99 cents) bringing up the novel ($3.99).
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 14, 2016, 06:04:37 AM
Kay, as I've watched mine over the months, I would say that jump corresponds to one KU borrow, and if you had two it would probably go to about 20k. When my book and story first came out I had a lot of jumping back and forth, and then in recent months I settled into a "usual range" that doesn't jump around as much. But if I go a few days without a buy or borrow, it slips down to about 100k. And I find that my short story does well when it does well, as "doing well" is measured for me very modestly: if someone does a KU borrow or a buy, the story pops up to the top 10 or 20 in its category, which inspires another borrow or buy, which keeps it up there, and . . .  That's where being in a "rare category" helps. My short story is in historical fiction short stories and anthologies and I usually hang out with box sets from ML Gardner and a lot of single Louis L'Amours. :-)  I definitely see how having that "high floater" helps sell my novel as an also-bought, because when I go several days with no buys/borrows, they both sink and stay sunk, and a pop up in one brings up the other, most typically the short story (99 cents) bringing up the novel ($3.99).
Interesting!

This morning I had three books jump in increments ranging from roughly 100,000 to 300,000, none of which showed sales and one of which showed no KU activity. I think the jump is related to some extent to where you start from. Some of my shorts don't sell very often, but when one does, i've seen it go up as much as 1,000,000 ranks in one day.

Another interesting phenomenon is that one of shorts on education (small niche audience, sales once in a blue moon) is lurching upward by small increments (far too small to be from a KU borrow). They range from 1,000 to 20,000. I speculate that titles that were ahead of it may be being removed (Amazon catching and removing scams, for example). Another possibility is that other books around it are falling faster, but down in the KDP cellar, I really don't know how that could be. A book can't easily have less than zero sales or borrows.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 14, 2016, 06:14:40 AM
Status Update: Ripley's Booklist total sales appear to be 23 (21 US and 2 UK). Impact on borrows is unknown, but Different Lee does keep increasing its page count.

As with other promoters I've used in the past, RB gave me the highest sales figures I've ever gotten. In this case, running a Scout campaign via he same newsletter probably helped, especially given how much action it got. As I observed earlier, sales might have been even higher, but I think some nominators had already picked up a copy.

My sales have been sluggish, so it's a good thing I had a new title. Aside from Different Lee, my other books have sold 8 copies so far this month. ;D Thankfully, KU pages are a bit more balanced, though naturally DL is the single biggest source.

I'm hoping as people finish DL that some of them will notice my other books. In the UK, this seems to have happened already with KU. I've never had much KU activity in the UK, but now I have what looks like full reads for four different books. There's also a little bit in Canada on two other books. Since the new title has only been out ten days, it's a safe bet a large number of people who have bought or borrowed haven't finished yet, in which case I might get more of a boost on other titles as the month progresses.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: blancheking on November 14, 2016, 06:33:38 AM
Joining the club. This is a great thread, guys. I love seeing the success of the different authors here. Bill, thanks a lot for sharing you promotion list.

I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but I find that a slow steady stream of a couple of tweets a week does better than a flood of tweets during the first few months. I tried both with my books, though I need to be better about advertising. Thoughts?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 14, 2016, 06:38:32 AM
Joining the club. This is a great thread, guys. I love seeing the success of the different authors here. Bill, thanks a lot for sharing you promotion list.

I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but I find that a slow steady stream of a couple of tweets a week does better than a flood of tweets during the first few months. I tried both with my books, though I need to be better about advertising. Thoughts?
I strongly believe social media is about building community and subscribe to the theory that direct advertising should never be more than about 10% of your content. When I post or tweet too often about my own books, I get negligible response. When I post and tweet ads less often, I get a more enthusiastic response. Therefore, I think you're on the right track. :D
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 14, 2016, 09:51:48 AM
Author Francois, saw this and thought of you https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe_4DRriWZ1cs81fzJte_p4nqgQCMdXomhOcyfzGD7C11XHDQ/viewform

Hope it helps  :)
The only thing is my email list is pathetic. I only have about 15 contacts. I have more on FB and twitter, but not sure if that counts.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 14, 2016, 10:45:07 AM
The only thing is my email list is pathetic. I only have about 15 contacts. I have more on FB and twitter, but not sure if that counts.
I really don't think it matters. I got into a cross promo (I think) that's coming out the end of December and I only had 12 subscribers. It's gone up to a whopping 16 right now! hahaha!!!

But yes, very often you promote the crossover on FB and Twitter as well. Give it a shot! From my understanding, cross promos are mainly to build mailing lists.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: blancheking on November 14, 2016, 11:34:10 AM
The only thing is my email list is pathetic. I only have about 15 contacts. I have more on FB and twitter, but not sure if that counts.

I have only ~40 people to advertise to via mail as well, but it's worth a try, right? Also, I like your cover for Shadowbane; I'm sure people will click and read.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 14, 2016, 12:16:48 PM
The only thing is my email list is pathetic. I only have about 15 contacts. I have more on FB and twitter, but not sure if that counts.
Mailing list wise I started this month with 6 and now have 26 (I know the numbers are small but the growth is good from where I'm sitting!)

The main difference has been starting to use instafreebies paid option. I figured I'd give it a go (you get a free trial) and I have to say I'm impressed with it so far.



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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 14, 2016, 02:33:50 PM
I really don't think it matters. I got into a cross promo (I think) that's coming out the end of December and I only had 12 subscribers. It's gone up to a whopping 16 right now! hahaha!!!

But yes, very often you promote the crossover on FB and Twitter as well. Give it a shot! From my understanding, cross promos are mainly to build mailing lists.
Often they are, but it depends on the way the organizer sets them up. With one exception, the ones I've been in so far are about sales. Either way, though, the theory is the same. Authors essentially combine their fan bases, introducing the fans to the giveaway in the hope that many of them will like (and by from or subscribe to) other authors in the same genre.

You're right about the number of current subscribers not mattering. No one ever seems to ask how many people are on the mailing list, or follow on Twitter, or are fans on Facebook. They just ask each author to do what he or she can.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 14, 2016, 04:29:44 PM
I really don't think it matters. I got into a cross promo (I think) that's coming out the end of December and I only had 12 subscribers. It's gone up to a whopping 16 right now! hahaha!!!

But yes, very often you promote the crossover on FB and Twitter as well. Give it a shot! From my understanding, cross promos are mainly to build mailing lists.
Thanks, I think I will try it.

I have only ~40 people to advertise to via mail as well, but it's worth a try, right? Also, I like your cover for Shadowbane; I'm sure people will click and read.
Thank you. My friend, and college art professor, Jeff Kimbler did the cover.

Mailing list wise I started this month with 6 and now have 26 (I know the numbers are small but the growth is good from where I'm sitting!)

The main difference has been starting to use instafreebies paid option. I figured I'd give it a go (you get a free trial) and I have to say I'm impressed with it so far.

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Yes, I need to sign up for instafreebie and try that.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 14, 2016, 09:05:34 PM
Hi Guys. I disappeared for a while to figure out formatting and uploading for Kindle ebook and print book. Guess what? It's still not ready. Ha. I guess I should've been figured all this out before my KS campaign so I could go live right when it was over. But, you live and learn, right?

I feel like when I first started writing seriously and was getting educated about the rules of writing (show-not-tell, etc.). I had so much info coming at me I had trouble applying it. So, I stopped with the classes, books and critiques for a while and just wrote. Once I got some practice, the rules of writing started to come automatically.

So, I figured I just better dive into this self-publishing thing and get some practice. The good news is, Whit's End should be available next week. Since I'm new at this, I decided to stick with one thing at a time and not do instafreebie for now. However, I'll offer a introductory offer of $.99 cents for ebook and also offer my memoir for free for a few days. I'll let you know when it goes live. I'll be ready to cross-promo with others then, too.

Thank you all for your help.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 15, 2016, 04:57:32 AM
Hi Guys. I disappeared for a while to figure out formatting and uploading for Kindle ebook and print book. Guess what? It's still not ready. Ha. I guess I should've been figured all this out before my KS campaign so I could go live right when it was over. But, you live and learn, right?

I feel like when I first started writing seriously and was getting educated about the rules of writing (show-not-tell, etc.). I had so much info coming at me I had trouble applying it. So, I stopped with the classes, books and critiques for a while and just wrote. Once I got some practice, the rules of writing started to come automatically.

So, I figured I just better dive into this self-publishing thing and get some practice. The good news is, Whit's End should be available next week. Since I'm new at this, I decided to stick with one thing at a time and not do instafreebie for now. However, I'll offer a introductory offer of $.99 cents for ebook and also offer my memoir for free for a few days. I'll let you know when it goes live. I'll be ready to cross-promo with others then, too.

Thank you all for your help.
I'm glad to hear your book will be available soon. I'm sure we're all looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 15, 2016, 05:09:57 AM
Status update: Choosy Bookworm got me 14 sales yesterday, plus probably 3 today. Counting yesterday's sales before Choosy's email went out, I had 18, second best day so far.

I'd have to say that filling as many days as possible with different promos is a good strategy. So far the book has hit around 5,000 in the paid store and never gone lower than 15,000. (It's currently around 9,000.) Lumping the promos together would have created a bigger spike but also a quicker drop afterwards.

I added Bookpebbles and Bookscream to the schedule, both on vacant days (11/27 and 11/20). I also discovered that My Book Cave, which I'd heard good things about, isn't really good for a brand new release. Review guidelines from the site: "We generally like to see at least 10-20 reviews, and love to see a lot more. If it is a newer release, reviews on the author’s other books may be taken into consideration, but even then you should have at least 5 reviews." Strangely enough, my brand new book has zero reviews. Guess I should have sent out ARCs. Sigh!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 15, 2016, 07:50:14 AM
Status update: Choosy Bookworm got me 14 sales yesterday, plus probably 3 today. Counting yesterday's sales before Choosy's email went out, I had 18, second best day so far.

I'd have to say that filling as many days as possible with different promos is a good strategy. So far the book has hit around 5,000 in the paid store and never gone lower than 15,000. (It's currently around 9,000.) Lumping the promos together would have created a bigger spike but also a quicker drop afterwards.

I added Bookpebbles and Bookscream to the schedule, both on vacant days (11/27 and 11/20). I also discovered that My Book Cave, which I'd heard good things about, isn't really good for a brand new release. Review guidelines from the site: "We generally like to see at least 10-20 reviews, and love to see a lot more. If it is a newer release, reviews on the author’s other books may be taken into consideration, but even then you should have at least 5 reviews." Strangely enough, my brand new book has zero reviews. Guess I should have sent out ARCs. Sigh!
That's awesome news Bill, congrats! Maybe you'll get the longed for "sticky!"

As for ARC's, I've spent two days researching and crafting emails to bloggers and reviewers only to get one reply which was a "no." So, based on my past work ethic, I gave up.  >:(
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 15, 2016, 08:11:41 AM
That's awesome news Bill, congrats! Maybe you'll get the longed for "sticky!"

As for ARC's, I've spent two days researching and crafting emails to bloggers and reviewers only to get one reply which was a "no." So, based on my past work ethic, I gave up.  >:(




A suggestion, Carey. I have had some luck with this tactic, and plan to do it again soon. Find books that are similar to yours and have a lot of reviews. On some of those reviews you will find the reviewer's name is clickable. This can often lead you to an e-mail address or website. Good luck!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 15, 2016, 08:23:33 AM



A suggestion, Carey. I have had some luck with this tactic, and plan to do it again soon. Find books that are similar to yours and have a lot of reviews. On some of those reviews you will find the reviewer's name is clickable. This can often lead you to an e-mail address or website. Good luck!
Holy Mollee, I've read about that tactic but I never thought of it when I was hitting people up. I'm a little embarrassed to say I didn't think of it!

Thanks Ruth, I'll give that a try!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 15, 2016, 08:25:17 AM
That's awesome news Bill, congrats! Maybe you'll get the longed for "sticky!"

As for ARC's, I've spent two days researching and crafting emails to bloggers and reviewers only to get one reply which was a "no." So, based on my past work ethic, I gave up.  >:(
I haven't done this recently, but there are FB groups who facilitate authors giving readers free books in exchange for reviews. I'm pretty sure some of the readers take ARCs. It's worth a try, anyway.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 15, 2016, 08:27:47 AM
Holy Mollee, I've read about that tactic but I never thought of it when I was hitting people up. I'm a little embarrassed to say I didn't think of it!

Thanks Ruth, I'll give that a try!



I have 54 reviews on Diary of a Wildflower, and I got thirty of them in that way.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 15, 2016, 09:38:38 AM
Regarding reviews, my critique partner put out a promotion that anyone who signed up for her newsletter got an ARC. She had 30 reviews within 2 days of release. I'm not sure how she got the word out about the newsletter and ARC though.  She really works hard at promotions and sells hundreds of books (she's a fantasy author).

I don't have the time or the patience to do a newsletter, but just thought I'd mention it.

In case you guys are interested in her work or would like to check out her reviewers, here is a link to her latest. She does her own book covers and doesn't pay for promo. She's an excellent writer too. I wish I had her drive. https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Ice-Oak-Moon-Hollow-ebook/dp/B01LWS4V2G/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1479230621&sr=1-4&keywords=marsha+a.+moore

P.S. Carey, I don't know if you meant to be funny about the history of your work ethic, but you made me lol. BTW, my critique partner says that when she emailed a ton of reviewers (like you), she was not successful either.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 15, 2016, 12:18:38 PM
So my update on what I'm up to;

I'm about half way through a read through of What Lies Beneath the Mask. Only changed a couple of minor things (other than deleting the prologue but i'd decided to do that almost as soon as my KS campaign had gone live), so still got reasonable faith in my book!

I have two magnet short stories in place on Instafreebie and so far they've almost quadrupled my mailing list (which is still tiny!) so that's good. Sent out a newsletter today and the open/click rates are looking good so hoping I can get some reviews that way once WLBM (Sorry long title, typing it out everytime is a pain!) is ready to go.

I'm pricing up promo atm and at the moment am thinking I can at least afford some basics which is a start!

I already have plans for a couple more writing projects (after I finish NaNo which is going abysmally!) So this hasn't put me off!

I'm aiming for putting WLBM on preorder by the weemend with a release date of December 1st

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 15, 2016, 12:32:09 PM



A suggestion, Carey. I have had some luck with this tactic, and plan to do it again soon. Find books that are similar to yours and have a lot of reviews. On some of those reviews you will find the reviewer's name is clickable. This can often lead you to an e-mail address or website. Good luck!

Very clever, Ruth. Thanks.

That's the wonderful thing about this thread--so many knowledgeable people who are willing to share info. 
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 15, 2016, 12:34:22 PM
So my update on what I'm up to;

I'm about half way through a read through of What Lies Beneath the Mask. Only changed a couple of minor things (other than deleting the prologue but i'd decided to do that almost as soon as my KS campaign had gone live), so still got reasonable faith in my book!

I have two magnet short stories in place on Instafreebie and so far they've almost quadrupled my mailing list (which is still tiny!) so that's good. Sent out a newsletter today and the open/click rates are looking good so hoping I can get some reviews that way once WLBM (Sorry long title, typing it out everytime is a pain!) is ready to go.

I'm pricing up promo atm and at the moment am thinking I can at least afford some basics which is a start!

I already have plans for a couple more writing projects (after I finish NaNo which is going abysmally!) So this hasn't put me off!

I'm aiming for putting WLBM on preorder by the weemend with a release date of December 1st

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It sounds like you've got a good plan, and you're making excellent headway. Thanks for the update. Wishing you continued success!
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 15, 2016, 12:37:31 PM
It sounds like you've got a good plan, and you're making excellent headway. Thanks for the update. Wishing you continued success!
Thank you! I mean it still has the potential to fall apart, especially because I'm yet to fall apart over being rejected! Feeling surprisingly calm given its only been a week!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 15, 2016, 01:40:54 PM
Status update: Choosy Bookworm got me 14 sales yesterday, plus probably 3 today. Counting yesterday's sales before Choosy's email went out, I had 18, second best day so far.

I'd have to say that filling as many days as possible with different promos is a good strategy. So far the book has hit around 5,000 in the paid store and never gone lower than 15,000. (It's currently around 9,000.) Lumping the promos together would have created a bigger spike but also a quicker drop afterwards.

I added Bookpebbles and Bookscream to the schedule, both on vacant days (11/27 and 11/20). I also discovered that My Book Cave, which I'd heard good things about, isn't really good for a brand new release. Review guidelines from the site: "We generally like to see at least 10-20 reviews, and love to see a lot more. If it is a newer release, reviews on the author’s other books may be taken into consideration, but even then you should have at least 5 reviews." Strangely enough, my brand new book has zero reviews. Guess I should have sent out ARCs. Sigh!

Bill, it looks like you don't need reviews, lol! You're doing just fine and are maintaining an excellent sales ranking, despite the lack of reviews on THIS book. Readers can check your other books and see reviews on those. I'm sure you'll start accumulating reviews before long.

I'm looking forward to doing more promos, assuming I can find ones for full-priced books. The data you're providing is a huge help. At present, you're making more on sales than you're spending on the promos? I wouldn't mind being in a deficit during the first 30 days, since it's important to get early exposure, but it sounds like you're making money.

Speaking of which, I'm wondering when to pull the plug on my more expensive AMS keywords. I've only had one conversion out of 108 clicks, which is pretty disheartening. Perhaps I'm not using the keywords most likely to win conversions, but I'm not sure what other words, book titles, or authors to add. I have 165 keywords now. I'm willing to throw money away temporarily to get exposure, but there is a limit. It would be great to know why people are interested enough in the cover art and mini-blurb to click through to the product page, but then aren't adequately motivated to buy. Maybe my notation that the book is clean and suitable for ages 10-100 is turning them off, lol. 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 15, 2016, 01:58:39 PM
So, I'm back, having finally gotten my walking papers from KS after ten grueling days of waiting. (I'm pretending that they almost bought it!) But I'm very excited to begin my publication process at last. We're starting with a cover re-do, something a little more elegant and eye-catching--this is sophisticated women's fiction after all, LOL! Then I'm going to rework my blurbs and promotional copy. Then I'm going to Nashville to visit my daughter, and then I'll get it out there first week of December I'm hoping. Good to see so many familiar names here!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 15, 2016, 02:11:45 PM
So, I'm back, having finally gotten my walking papers from KS after ten grueling days of waiting. (I'm pretending that they almost bought it!) But I'm very excited to begin my publication process at last. We're starting with a cover re-do, something a little more elegant and eye-catching--this is sophisticated women's fiction after all, LOL! Then I'm going to rework my blurbs and promotional copy. Then I'm going to Nashville to visit my daughter, and then I'll get it out there first week of December I'm hoping. Good to see so many familiar names here!

Welcome. It's sounds like you'll need a nice relaxing visit with your daughter after all the book prep!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 15, 2016, 02:17:58 PM
So, I'm back, having finally gotten my walking papers from KS after ten grueling days of waiting. (I'm pretending that they almost bought it!) But I'm very excited to begin my publication process at last. We're starting with a cover re-do, something a little more elegant and eye-catching--this is sophisticated women's fiction after all, LOL! Then I'm going to rework my blurbs and promotional copy. Then I'm going to Nashville to visit my daughter, and then I'll get it out there first week of December I'm hoping. Good to see so many familiar names here!
We're all looking forward to that release!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 15, 2016, 07:01:58 PM
So, I'm back, having finally gotten my walking papers from KS after ten grueling days of waiting. (I'm pretending that they almost bought it!) But I'm very excited to begin my publication process at last. We're starting with a cover re-do, something a little more elegant and eye-catching--this is sophisticated women's fiction after all, LOL! Then I'm going to rework my blurbs and promotional copy. Then I'm going to Nashville to visit my daughter, and then I'll get it out there first week of December I'm hoping. Good to see so many familiar names here!

Bummer. Not that it's any consolation, but it took them all of one business day to turn mine down (I waited over a weekend). So, you're probably right about them almost selecting it.

Keep in touch and have a nice time in Nashville with your daughter. That's my second choice of a city I'd like to live in.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 16, 2016, 04:05:08 AM
Bummer. Not that it's any consolation, but it took them all of one business day to turn mine down (I waited over a weekend). So, you're probably right about them almost selecting it.

Keep in touch and have a nice time in Nashville with your daughter. That's my second choice of a city I'd like to live in.
what's your first? As for Nashville, I'm excited because I've never been there! Daughter just moved there so I have to check it out. Lori, we should do some kind of blog exchange since as I recall, we have similar subject matter in our books, older women, marriage, possible affairs...Anyone else doing "Boomer Lit"--let me know!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 16, 2016, 07:42:15 AM
Speaking of which, I'm wondering when to pull the plug on my more expensive AMS keywords. I've only had one conversion out of 108 clicks, which is pretty disheartening. Perhaps I'm not using the keywords most likely to win conversions, but I'm not sure what other words, book titles, or authors to add. I have 165 keywords now. I'm willing to throw money away temporarily to get exposure, but there is a limit. It would be great to know why people are interested enough in the cover art and mini-blurb to click through to the product page, but then aren't adequately motivated to buy. Maybe my notation that the book is clean and suitable for ages 10-100 is turning them off, lol.
The sad part is that a 1% conversion rate is considered a good rate of sales in the advertising industry. The problem with ebooks is that they are relatively inexpensive. Even at ten cents a click, and most of us probably have to pay more than that, that's $10 for one conversion. Even if we're talking a $9.99 ebook, our royalty is only $6.99. There's just no way to break even at that rate--and most of us charge far less and pay more per click. Sigh!

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 16, 2016, 07:54:07 AM
The sad part is that a 1% conversion rate is considered a good rate of sales in the advertising industry. The problem with ebooks is that they are relatively inexpensive. Even at ten cents a click, and most of us probably have to pay more than that, that's $10 for one conversion. Even if we're talking a $9.99 ebook, our royalty is only $6.99. There's just no way to break even at that rate--and most of us charge far less and pay more per click. Sigh!

It took 70 clicks to get the first conversion, so we'll see how long it takes to get the next. I removed the most expensive keyword which had 19 clicks with no conversions, and added several more keywords. If I was getting KENP I wouldn't mind so much, but I've only had a couple days with KENP.

Today I have the KBoard Discovery promo, which started last night at 4:00 Pacific time. I see no benefits so far, judging by my book ranking. I also have Bargain Booksy, but I am not offering the book at a reduced price--it's still $3.99. I've heard various opinions as to whether people will buy at $3.99. In addition to those opinions I suppose there are a lot of confounding factors, such as whether the book is a debut novel (as in my case), the number of customer and editorial reviews, and any number of other factors.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Luke Christodoulou on November 16, 2016, 11:51:10 AM
May I ask the statistics of the books rejected? Even though that many say they dont really matter that much. My campaign is running at the moment. I have been in the H&T for the last 8 days continuously, but I try not to have hopes. KS have never accepted a fourth book in a series. I doubt Ill be the first. Also, I believe I might be a bit too graphic.

As for all rejected, thank the Gods for KDP!!!




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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 16, 2016, 11:58:38 AM
May I ask the statistics of the books rejected? Even though that many say they dont really matter that much. My campaign is running at the moment. I have been in the H&T for the last 8 days continuously, but I try not to have hopes. KS have never accepted a fourth book in a series. I doubt Ill be the first. Also, I believe I might be a bit too graphic.

As for all rejected, thank the Gods for KDP!!!

Most of us on this thread routinely nominate whoever is on Steve Vernon's thread, assuming the book looks competently written.

As for the stats, folks have been rejected who spent their entire campaigns in Hot and Trending and had 6000+ page views.


Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 16, 2016, 12:39:49 PM
what's your first? As for Nashville, I'm excited because I've never been there! Daughter just moved there so I have to check it out. Lori, we should do some kind of blog exchange since as I recall, we have similar subject matter in our books, older women, marriage, possible affairs...Anyone else doing "Boomer Lit"--let me know!

Hi Kathy. My first choice to live is my hometown (Chicago burbs), which I wrote about in my memoir. I'm going to make it free when I publish my KS novel.

Are you on facebook? Aside from my blog, that's basically the only other social media where I spend time (and these boards when I get a chance). You can find my author page under L. Virelli and my friend page under Lori Virelli. I couldn't find you on fb, so friend me if you have an account there.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: MelanieCellier on November 16, 2016, 01:20:40 PM
KS have never accepted a fourth book in a series. I doubt Ill be the first.

I don't know about a fourth book in a series but they did accept a fifth book. It's sitting on my kindle right now because I nominated it :)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: MelanieCellier on November 16, 2016, 01:27:29 PM
I also have Bargain Booksy, but I am not offering the book at a reduced price--it's still $3.99. I've heard various opinions as to whether people will buy at $3.99. In addition to those opinions I suppose there are a lot of confounding factors, such as whether the book is a debut novel (as in my case), the number of customer and editorial reviews, and any number of other factors.

Hi Kay, I'm curious as to whether those opinions about people buying at 3.99 (or not) were in general or specifically relating to promotion. Because I can't remember ever seeing anything about success with BargainBooksy style promotions without the book being discounted (and generally to 99c). (Doesn't mean it's never happened, of course, just that I don't remember ever hearing about it!) I'm concerned that if you use these sorts of promos without discounting, you'll be throwing your money away.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 16, 2016, 01:47:25 PM
I don't know about a fourth book in a series but they did accept a fifth book. It's sitting on my kindle right now because I nominated it :)
That's a great piece of information to have. I knew people sometimes entered a later book in the series, but the only one I'd heard about getting accepted was Lexi's book 2, and that really didn't count, because they had also published her book 1. It's nice to know they give serious consideration to later series books.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 16, 2016, 01:51:01 PM
May I ask the statistics of the books rejected? Even though that many say they dont really matter that much. My campaign is running at the moment. I have been in the H&T for the last 8 days continuously, but I try not to have hopes. KS have never accepted a fourth book in a series. I doubt Ill be the first. Also, I believe I might be a bit too graphic.

As for all rejected, thank the Gods for KDP!!!
You can check out statistics in general on Lincoln's website: https://www.lincolncole.net/kindlescout (https://www.lincolncole.net/kindlescout) He only has the ones people reported to him, but there are enough there to draw some conclusions. I think he hasn't odded the October ones yet, but the general pattern is obvious. I think it could best be summarized as, "It's good to have high stats--except when it isn't!"
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 16, 2016, 02:17:00 PM
Hi Kay, I'm curious as to whether those opinions about people buying at 3.99 (or not) were in general or specifically relating to promotion. Because I can't remember ever seeing anything about success with BargainBooksy style promotions without the book being discounted (and generally to 99c). (Doesn't mean it's never happened, of course, just that I don't remember ever hearing about it!) I'm concerned that if you use these sorts of promos without discounting, you'll be throwing your money away.

This morning my sales rank was pushing 300,000 and at the moment it's 24,687.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 16, 2016, 03:08:11 PM
I won't have sales data for my promos till tomorrow and I'll be headed off for my hip surgery in the morning, so I'll settle for posting some sales rank data tonight.

The Kboard Discovery promo: began at 4:00 PM Pacific time 11/15/16. Last night I wrote down the opening sales ranks for the other books.

1. Price $.99 starting rank 13,422, now 18,857

2. Price $7.99 starting rank 400, now 427

3. $3.99 starting rank 482, now 494

4. $11.99 starting rank 430, now 443

5. $3.99 starting rank 3291, now 2335

6. $3.99 starting rank 3625, now 2240

7. $12.99 starting rank 2783, now 3302

My Book. $3.99 starting rank 249,627

I don't know if they had any other promos running concurrently. My Bargain Booksy kicked in today, so my current rank after the KBoard promo isn't too relevant.


Bargain Booksy listing of the other Fantasy books along with mine on 11/16/16:

1. a multi-volume set (books 1-4) $3.99  started the morning at 746, 883, now 31,737

2. $2.99  started at 354,969 now 384,235

3. $1.99 started at 1,005,685, now 116, 517

4. $.99 started at 7,194, now 3,898

5. $.99 started at 257,521, now 95,760

6. $.99 started at 57,322, now 40,825
 
My Book: was somewhere in the 290,000s this morning, indicating little help from the KBoard promo. At last check, 24,687
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 16, 2016, 03:14:50 PM
I won't have sales data for my promos till tomorrow and I'll be headed off for my hip surgery in the morning, so I'll settle for posting some sales rank data tonight.

The Kboard Discovery promo: began at 4:00 PM Pacific time 11/15/16. Last night I wrote down the opening sales ranks for the other books.

1. Price $.99 starting rank 13,422, now 18,857

2. Price $7.99 starting rank 400, now 427

3. $3.99 starting rank 482, now 494

4. $11.99 starting rank 430, now 443

5. $3.99 starting rank 3291, now 2335

6. $3.99 starting rank 3625, now 2240

7. $12.99 starting rank 2783, now 3302

My Book. $3.99 starting rank 249,627

I don't know if they had any other promos running concurrently. My Bargain Booksy kicked in today, so my current rank after the KBoard promo isn't too relevant.


Bargain Booksy listing of the other Fantasy books along with mine on 11/16/16:

1. a multi-volume set (books 1-4) $3.99  started the morning at 746, 883, now 31,737

2. $2.99  started at 354,969 now 384,235

3. $1.99 started at 1,005,685, now 116, 517

4. $.99 started at 7,194, now 3,898

5. $.99 started at 257,521, now 95,760

6. $.99 started at 57,322, now 40,825
 
My Book: was somewhere in the 290,000s this morning, indicating little help from the KBoard promo. At last check, 24,687
Good luck on your hip surgery, and thanks for all the data.

It looks as if Bargain Booksy does something even at $3.99.

Good luck on your hip surgery.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 17, 2016, 05:35:31 AM
I apologize in advance for having to vent a little bit.

Today I discovered I'd gotten my first review for Different Lee--a two star! :'(

I think it's worth quoting: "First off I hate the name DL. I probably could of got past the name if the author used more pronouns but you are force fed DL for the entire book. I only got a few chapters in before giving up."

I suppose I should be honored he (or she) actually read a few chapters. Looking at his profile, I discovered he seems to have reviewed one book (a one star) based on the first page. (He has actually given a few good reviews, but one and two stars predominate. Interestingly, most of the books he reviews seem to be outside of the genre he says he prefers.)

I know it's bad form to complain about the content of reviews, and that's not really the purpose of my post. Anyway, one has to have a thick skin if one wants to be a writer. What bothers me is that it's the only review, which makes it stick out like a sore thumb right in the middle of my launch promos--bad timing, to say the least. It could have been worse, though. Had it popped up a few days ago, it might have prevented me from booking the promos in the first place.

To end on a positive note, though I had low sales yesterday (no promo running), the KU pages kept pouring in. I now have the equivalent of over 20 full reads of Different Lee in the US alone.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 17, 2016, 06:17:06 AM
I apologize in advance for having to vent a little bit.

Today I discovered I'd gotten my first review for Different Lee--a two star! :'(

I think it's worth quoting: "First off I hate the name DL. I probably could of got past the name if the author used more pronouns but you are force fed DL for the entire book. I only got a few chapters in before giving up."

I suppose I should be honored he (or she) actually read a few chapters. Looking at his profile, I discovered he seems to have reviewed one book (a one star) based on the first page. (He has actually given a few good reviews, but one and two stars predominate. Interestingly, most of the books he reviews seem to be outside of the genre he says he prefers.)

I know it's bad form to complain about the content of reviews, and that's not really the purpose of my post. Anyway, one has to have a thick skin if one wants to be a writer. What bothers me is that it's the only review, which makes it stick out like a sore thumb right in the middle of my launch promos--bad timing, to say the least. It could have been worse, though. Had it popped up a few days ago, it might have prevented me from booking the promos in the first place.

To end on a positive note, though I had low sales yesterday (no promo running), the KU pages kept pouring in. I now have the equivalent of over 20 full reads of Different Lee in the US alone.
Bill, can I get a review copy from you? I'll be sure to read the whole thing before I review.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 17, 2016, 06:31:26 AM
Bill, can I get a review copy from you? I'll be sure to read the whole thing before I review.
That's really nice of you to offer, Mark, but I already said I was going to review yours, and we obviously can't review each other's without it looking like a review swap. :o
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 17, 2016, 06:35:03 AM
I apologize in advance for having to vent a little bit.

Today I discovered I'd gotten my first review for Different Lee--a two star! :'(

I think it's worth quoting: "First off I hate the name DL. I probably could of got past the name if the author used more pronouns but you are force fed DL for the entire book. I only got a few chapters in before giving up."

I suppose I should be honored he (or she) actually read a few chapters. Looking at his profile, I discovered he seems to have reviewed one book (a one star) based on the first page. (He has actually given a few good reviews, but one and two stars predominate. Interestingly, most of the books he reviews seem to be outside of the genre he says he prefers.)

I know it's bad form to complain about the content of reviews, and that's not really the purpose of my post. Anyway, one has to have a thick skin if one wants to be a writer. What bothers me is that it's the only review, which makes it stick out like a sore thumb right in the middle of my launch promos--bad timing, to say the least. It could have been worse, though. Had it popped up a few days ago, it might have prevented me from booking the promos in the first place.

To end on a positive note, though I had low sales yesterday (no promo running), the KU pages kept pouring in. I now have the equivalent of over 20 full reads of Different Lee in the US alone.

I just marked the review as unhelpful because truly it is. Most intelligent readers will ignore a moronic review like that one.

So far I'm only showing five sales yesterday so it's hard to believe it boosted my sales rank so dramatically. I can't remember whether I've read that price is a factor. Do fewer sales of a higher priced book equal more sales of a lower priced book?

Headed to the hospital shortly. Thanks for the well wishes.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 17, 2016, 06:52:54 AM
I just marked the review as unhelpful because truly it is. Most intelligent readers will ignore a moronic review like that one.

So far I'm only showing five sales yesterday so it's hard to believe it boosted my sales rank so dramatically. I can't remember whether I've read that price is a factor. Do fewer sales of a higher priced book equal more sales of a lower priced book?

Headed to the hospital shortly. Thanks for the well wishes.
It's speculation, but I have heard people say price was a factor in ranking. If the beta pricing tool is even remotely accurate, Amazon data suggests that there is a relationship between price and sales, with lower price points garnering more sales, so it wouldn't be illogical to imagine the system take that into account.

Good luck again on the surgery. Medical technology has made great advances with regard to hip surgery, so I'm sure it'll be a smooth process.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: SG on November 17, 2016, 07:10:50 AM
I apologize in advance for having to vent a little bit.

Today I discovered I'd gotten my first review for Different Lee--a two star! :'(

I think it's worth quoting: "First off I hate the name DL. I probably could of got past the name if the author used more pronouns but you are force fed DL for the entire book. I only got a few chapters in before giving up."

I suppose I should be honored he (or she) actually read a few chapters. Looking at his profile, I discovered he seems to have reviewed one book (a one star) based on the first page. (He has actually given a few good reviews, but one and two stars predominate. Interestingly, most of the books he reviews seem to be outside of the genre he says he prefers.)

I know it's bad form to complain about the content of reviews, and that's not really the purpose of my post. Anyway, one has to have a thick skin if one wants to be a writer. What bothers me is that it's the only review, which makes it stick out like a sore thumb right in the middle of my launch promos--bad timing, to say the least. It could have been worse, though. Had it popped up a few days ago, it might have prevented me from booking the promos in the first place.

To end on a positive note, though I had low sales yesterday (no promo running), the KU pages kept pouring in. I now have the equivalent of over 20 full reads of Different Lee in the US alone.

Sorry to hear that, Bill. That's totally annoying. Yes, writers are supposed to have thick skins etc, but we are humans, so it's always okay to feel bad after a weird review and also okay to vent. We owe ourselves that much.

I have had my share of funny(NOT!) reviews. My favorite one was - this is basically a village girl coming to a city story. You could put the story in any setting and it would work. Nothing SF about it. Or something similar. Well, sorry to disappoint, but every story out there is a retelling of the same seven basic story plots.

The good thing is (IMHO) for every person that doesn't like a book, there is also another person out there who'll love it. Just hang in there and you'll get good reviews streaming in soon.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Luke Christodoulou on November 17, 2016, 07:36:21 AM
I don't know about a fourth book in a series but they did accept a fifth book. It's sitting on my kindle right now because I nominated it :)
That's good to know :-)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LizHedgecock on November 17, 2016, 08:17:14 AM
Just popping in to say hi - can I join your club pleeease? ;-)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 17, 2016, 08:32:40 AM
Just popping in to say hi - can I join your club pleeease? ;-)
Welcome, Liz!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LizHedgecock on November 17, 2016, 08:41:00 AM
I have a question - already!
Just thinking about when to get House of Mirrors out. Is Black Friday (25 Nov) a terrible idea, or might more people have eyes on Amazon? I'm looking to get it released by 9 December at latest...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 17, 2016, 08:57:36 AM
Regarding Thanksgiving and Black Friday--and look! My multicolored face is finally gone!--I actually released a book last year at this time, Liz, just before our Thanksgiving in the US, and it went over like a lead balloon--even friends and family weren't buying it! So I'm holding off until Dec. 1st, for both the print and Kindle versions. Gives me time to remake the cover and celebrate the holidays. Cyber Monday  (the 28th) might be a good time for some books, but not mine, I don't think. Best of luck! And now that I've updated my profile picture, time to work on that signature line...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 17, 2016, 08:59:15 AM
I have a question - already!
Just thinking about when to get House of Mirrors out. Is Black Friday (25 Nov) a terrible idea, or might more people have eyes on Amazon? I'm looking to get it released by 9 December at latest...
My general experience is that my sales go down during late November and December, I assume because people are looking for more for things they can wrap and put under the tree. That said, the one time I launched a book in November, it did OK.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LizHedgecock on November 17, 2016, 09:06:52 AM
Thanks Kathy and Bill. I think I'll give myself that extra bit of time and go for early December...that way I can get the paperback done too. If I do go for the 25th, I suspect I can wave goodbye to NaNoWriMo this year!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 17, 2016, 09:19:57 AM
Sorry to hear that, Bill. That's totally annoying. Yes, writers are supposed to have thick skins etc, but we are humans, so it's always okay to feel bad after a weird review and also okay to vent. We owe ourselves that much.

I have had my share of funny(NOT!) reviews. My favorite one was - this is basically a village girl coming to a city story. You could put the story in any setting and it would work. Nothing SF about it. Or something similar. Well, sorry to disappoint, but every story out there is a retelling of the same seven basic story plots.

The good thing is (IMHO) for every person that doesn't like a book, there is also another person out there who'll love it. Just hang in there and you'll get good reviews streaming in soon.
Words of wisdom!

Based on my past books, I don't doubt some good reviews will come in. It's just better if there is a little cushion of good reviews before the first bad one hits. (I hope it's just coincidence, but I usually see at least 500 KENP in the morning, mostly Different Lee. Today it was 13.  :o
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 17, 2016, 09:58:25 AM
Thanks Kathy and Bill. I think I'll give myself that extra bit of time and go for early December...that way I can get the paperback done too. If I do go for the 25th, I suspect I can wave goodbye to NaNoWriMo this year!
I'm with you here Liz! My plan is to get my preorder up tomorrow (or Saturday) with release day being 1st December. But my NaNo is so far behind that I'm not convinced I'll finish it!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: MelanieCellier on November 17, 2016, 06:15:08 PM
I hope the surgery goes well, Kay - it doesn't sound too pleasant!

In regards to rank and sales, Phoenix is our resident kboards expert and I believe the current experiments have demonstrated that price doesn't factor into the sales rankings at all but does factor into pop list placement. For more detailed explanations, I recommend stalking Phoenix's posts :D (I wouldn't want to relay anything inaccurately!)

For anyone who hasn't seen it, here's the link to a thread where she posted a rough sales/borrows to rank chart: http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,238223.0.html

Of course, there's all kind of craziness going on at Amazon at the moment but I think this should still give some idea of what to expect. It's particularly useful for estimating how many borrows you might be getting.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 17, 2016, 08:02:13 PM
Hi There - Well, I just caught up on page 13 of this thread. I have a few comments and one question from this novice to you pros.

Bill - How frustrating about that review. I agree with SGbasu, you're only human, and it's helpful to have a place to vent where other authors understand. It's good that you came here to talk about it.

Kathy - I noticed your paint-free face. Cute pic.

I'm so discombobulated with this learning to format for publication, and as I FINALLY have it up and ready to go, I'm reading here how sales bomb at this time of year. I've already put out feelers that the book is releasing, and I'm so sick of waiting, that I'm just going to take the plunge. I need to get this thing done already. I'll just have to do another promo run at another time.

However, I'm really nervous about clicking publish. What if there are mistakes I missed? I'm worried it's not going to look professional. <biting nails>

Having said that, I have a question about alerting Kindle Scout that my book is published. I know Kay said that it didn't seem to make a difference with sales, but of course, it certainly doesn't hurt to do it. So, I went back to my KS account site, and it says "Is your book now available on Amazon?" Then there is a button to click that says, "Tell your Scouts." Do you guys know if I click that button, if it automatically goes to my scouts, or can I give them a release date in advance?

I'm absorbing so much info at once, I'm already forgetting how I formatted and will have to learn all over again when/if I ever get to my next novel. Sigh.

I don't know how you guys do so much.

Anyway, thanks in advance for your answer to that question. Did I make any sense, btw? I can't tell anymore. My mind is jumbled.

OH YEAH ... I forgot to mention that the novel, Whit's End, is going to go Live on Monday the 21st. I know that is "bomb week," but this is my first go-round as a publishing novice. It's time I get my feet wet. I'll give you the link to my blog on Monday when I share all the info about it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 17, 2016, 09:10:57 PM


Headed to the hospital shortly. Thanks for the well wishes.
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Hope your surgery goes well, Kay. Blessings to you.                                                     
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 18, 2016, 04:00:45 AM
Lori, you may do just fine with your day. This year could be completely different than last in terms of sales: who really knows? Go for it!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 18, 2016, 05:33:05 AM
I'm so discombobulated with this learning to format for publication, and as I FINALLY have it up and ready to go, I'm reading here how sales bomb at this time of year. I've already put out feelers that the book is releasing, and I'm so sick of waiting, that I'm just going to take the plunge. I need to get this thing done already. I'll just have to do another promo run at another time.

However, I'm really nervous about clicking publish. What if there are mistakes I missed? I'm worried it's not going to look professional. <biting nails>

Having said that, I have a question about alerting Kindle Scout that my book is published. I know Kay said that it didn't seem to make a difference with sales, but of course, it certainly doesn't hurt to do it. So, I went back to my KS account site, and it says "Is your book now available on Amazon?" Then there is a button to click that says, "Tell your Scouts." Do you guys know if I click that button, if it automatically goes to my scouts, or can I give them a release date in advance?
With regard to the time of year, perhaps the advantage of getting the book out there while your nominators will remember it is important. I know some people have not seen much difference, but I definitely think my launch was stronger because of my Scout campaign. The book was doing well even before the promotions kicked in, and when they did, promoters I've worked with before produced three to four times as many sales as in the past.

Everybody has jitters about missing a mistake. Just remember that even trad published books get out there with the occasional typo. Do the best you can, but at some point, you just have to let go. Not so long ago, an author on the KDP forum was saying that he would never publish anything if he kept fretting with each book as long as he wanted to.

The button sends the notice to nominators within 24 hours and doesn't let you specify a release date, so I'd wait until the book goes live and then press the button.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 18, 2016, 05:40:43 AM
Status update: Yesterday was not a good day. I had made a mistake on my Ebook Soda form, so that my regular price showed rather than the intro price. There's not much point in advertise a "bargain" that looks like it isn't one. I was in the top slot on the email, too! :'( I got three sales anyway, but I'm sure I would have gotten more had the right price been showing (so don't let that number put you off trying Ebook Soda).

Of course, the one review is still staring mockingly at me. I'm hoping it was coincidence my KENP pages fell to the lowest point I've had since the release. This morning they are already almost as high as the total for yesterday, so that's a good sign.

Today I have Betty Book Freak, and tomorrow Book Sends, which should be good tests of whether or not the book is going to recover from that review or not. We'll see. If people actually read the review, I'm not worried. I am worried if they see the two stars and flee without reading the review, which is the way some people would respond.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: jcarter on November 18, 2016, 05:53:54 AM
I won't have sales data for my promos till tomorrow and I'll be headed off for my hip surgery in the morning, so I'll settle for posting some sales rank data tonight.



I hope your surgery went well, Kay, and that you are resting comfortably now!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: jcarter on November 18, 2016, 06:01:16 AM
Status update: Yesterday was not a good day. I had made a mistake on my Ebook Soda form, so that my regular price showed rather than the intro price. There's not much point in advertise a "bargain" that looks like it isn't one. I was in the top slot on the email, too! :'( I got three sales anyway, but I'm sure I would have gotten more had the right price been showing (so don't let that number put you off trying Ebook Soda).

Of course, the one review is still staring mockingly at me. I'm hoping it was coincidence my KENP pages fell to the lowest point I've had since the release. This morning they are already almost as high as the total for yesterday, so that's a good sign.

Today I have Betty Book Freak, and tomorrow Book Sends, which should be good tests of whether or not the book is going to recover from that review or not. We'll see. If people actually read the review, I'm not worried. I am worried if they see the two stars and flee without reading the review, which is the way some people would respond.

I started reading Differently Lee last night, and part of what irks me about that 2 star review is that it's WRONG. Force fed a name? Whatever. The use of the name is fluid and natural, and the story is dang interesting!

If there's anything "good" about this review it's that people who are curious will read it, look inside, and see that the reviewer is wrong. But it's still annoying that it's there and that it's the first one.  I'm sorry about that.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 18, 2016, 06:12:12 AM
I started reading Differently Lee last night, and part of what irks me about that 2 star review is that it's WRONG. Force fed a name? Whatever. The use of the name is fluid and natural, and the story is dang interesting!

If there's anything "good" about this review it's that people who are curious will read it, look inside, and see that the reviewer is wrong. But it's still annoying that it's there and that it's the first one.  I'm sorry about that.
Thanks for reading, and I'm glad you're enjoying the book so far. I think it's a good read, but I'm prejudiced. :P

I went back and counted the uses of the name in the first few pages. There are far more uses of he than DL. DL occurs a couple of times in the description. It almost makes me wonder if the person actually read the book at all. To be fair, though, none of his other reviews seem to be based just on the product description, but there are people out there who review based just on that. I've never been able to figure out why.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: jcarter on November 18, 2016, 06:30:34 AM
Thanks for reading, and I'm glad you're enjoying the book so far. I think it's a good read, but I'm prejudiced. :P

I went back and counted the uses of the name in the first few pages. There are far more uses of he than DL. DL occurs a couple of times in the description. It almost makes me wonder if the person actually read the book at all. To be fair, though, none of his other reviews seem to be based just on the product description, but there are people out there who review based just on that. I've never been able to figure out why.

The review is useless and ridiculous. I started reading the book "on the look out" for what the person meant, and I couldn't find it. The ratio of name to pronoun was spot on.  Anyone who looks at the first page will see that.

It's always baffled me that anyone would take the time to write something so inane. It's one thing to have a legitimate point, but this reviewer didn't have one. The pronouns prove it! And I think the name DL is awesome. :)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 18, 2016, 08:11:04 AM
Thank you Bill & Kathy, for your encouragement, and thanks Bill, for answering my question. Now I know how to proceed regarding KS.

I'm pretty confident in this novel, but not so much in all the formatting and publishing work.

I wanted to tell you guys that I just opened a new Amazon account simply for writing reviews. My critique group writes their reviews for each other under a different account name from their author name so it doesn't look like they're exchanging reviews.

I apologize that I haven't been able to get to your books for reading yet. I'm learning that I'm not good at multi-tasking. I can't write, read, promote, and try to learn how to format for publishing all at once. Not to mention real-life responsibilities. But, I do plan to get to them eventually. Hopefully, others who read your book, Bill, will get to putting up good reviews so that one doesn't stick out. I've been only reading 10 to 20 minutes before going to bed, so that doesn't leave me much time to get to books. I'm reading a blogging-author friend's book right now. A thriller.

BTW, I won't do a review for any author unless I believe it merits 3 or more stars. I might say a book is fair to great, but I won't put up a bad review. I know some authors can learn from a bad review, but there are plenty other reviewers who will let them know. I just won't do to someone what I wouldn't want done to me.

Good luck everyone. I'll be back Monday with the info on my book. Thank you so much for your support.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 18, 2016, 11:18:46 AM
I wanted to tell you guys that I just opened a new Amazon account simply for writing reviews. My critique group writes their reviews for each other under a different account name from their author name so it doesn't look like they're exchanging reviews.

I apologize that I haven't been able to get to your books for reading yet. I'm learning that I'm not good at multi-tasking. I can't write, read, promote, and try to learn how to format for publishing all at once. Not to mention real-life responsibilities. But, I do plan to get to them eventually. Hopefully, others who read your book, Bill, will get to putting up good reviews so that one doesn't stick out. I've been only reading 10 to 20 minutes before going to bed, so that doesn't leave me much time to get to books. I'm reading a blogging-author friend's book right now. A thriller.
With regard to the first paragraph, I suspect Amazon wouldn't be happy with that if it figured out it was happening.

As far as getting to people's books, I feel the same way, so don't worry. I've got so much going on that I don't get very much time to read, either. Sigh!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 18, 2016, 03:24:31 PM
Thanks for all of your support during the odd review situation. It made me feel much better. (I am a worrier by nature.)

Since the book had been selling so well initially, I had hopes someone would finish it and leave a review, which thankfully someone now has. Fortunately, that person really liked the book. As a result, the product page is not going to send a star counter automatically screaming away. With a Booksends promotion coming up tomorrow, I'm hoping the book will get back on track.

I just approved the proof for Different Lee, but I had to make corrections from the first proof that suggest CS is doing something different with the binding. I had already added a tenth of an inch to the inside margin because I thought my last book looked just a little too close on the inside--still readable, but not quite as good a visual effect as I would have liked. That book was exactly the specs CS suggested, so I figured adding .1 would do what I wanted. Much to my surprise, the first proof on this one actually had the text look even closer on the inside than the previous book. I added another .1, compensated by subtracting .1 so as not to throw off the number of pages and have to redo the spine width. Now the book looks about as it should have in the first place. My recommendation in formatting now would be to add about .2 to the CS suggested dimension on the inside margin (gutter). If you don't want to do that, I would recommend giving yourself enough leeway on the outside margin that you can adjust appropriately if your proof doesn't quite come out without having to redo the cover.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 18, 2016, 06:50:44 PM
I just approved the proof for Different Lee, but I had to make corrections from the first proof that suggest CS is doing something different with the binding. I had already added a tenth of an inch to the inside margin because I thought my last book looked just a little too close on the inside--still readable, but not quite as good a visual effect as I would have liked. That book was exactly the specs CS suggested, so I figured adding .1 would do what I wanted. Much to my surprise, the first proof on this one actually had the text look even closer on the inside than the previous book. I added another .1, compensated by subtracting .1 so as not to throw off the number of pages and have to redo the spine width. Now the book looks about as it should have in the first place. My recommendation in formatting now would be to add about .2 to the CS suggested dimension on the inside margin (gutter). If you don't want to do that, I would recommend giving yourself enough leeway on the outside margin that you can adjust appropriately if your proof doesn't quite come out without having to redo the cover.

If your book is 300 pages, they'll add the proof page, kicking your book to 301+ range, thus needing the .625" gutter. The actual 300-page book won't have the proof page, and you're good with the .5 gutter.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 19, 2016, 06:18:35 AM
If your book is 300 pages, they'll add the proof page, kicking your book to 301+ range, thus needing the .625" gutter. The actual 300-page book won't have the proof page, and you're good with the .5 gutter.
300 is the Kindle estimate of print length, which always seems to be high. The book is actually 249, and the Proof notation appears on the back of the last page rather than requiring a page of its own. That was a good theory, but something else must be going on.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 19, 2016, 06:31:19 AM
Status update: Yesterday Betty Book Freak netted me two sales. :'( Again, that's not a reflection on the promoter, but on the way the product page looked with one two star review being the only one. KU reads have also dropped off substantially since that review went live. The second (much more positive one) one came up relatively late yesterday, so its effect hasn't really had time to be felt.

Today I have Booksends, which has a good reputation for getting results, the product page no longer looks so scary. Booksends puts up the new ads at about 1 pm Eastern, or about 10 am my time, so I'm hoping that will get Different Lee back on the right path. If not, well, at least this launch has still been bigger than any of the others.

The experience has me thinking I should do more to elicit early reviews. I haven't done much in the past because I knew people didn't expect a new book to have reviews yet, but getting some would protect me against this kind of disruption in the future. It would also enable me to go after a few promoters who don't really give new releases a break and insist on x number of reviews for any book they promote.

Live and learn...
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 19, 2016, 07:07:30 AM
Thank you for your promo updates Bill, they're really helpful for trying to work out the best things to do!

Also don't worry about the 1 star! In a few weeks time, when the great reviews are rolling in, it will be validation to purchasers that your reviews are trustworthy!

My own status update is that What Lies Beneath the Mask is now up for preorder! (https://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Lies-Beneath-Laura-Greenwood-ebook/dp/B01N778J7W/). Now just to set the ball rolling on promos before release day!

I also have some feelers out for reviews, will let you know if it works!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 19, 2016, 07:42:23 AM
Status update: Yesterday Betty Book Freak netted me two sales. :'( Again, that's not a reflection on the promoter, but on the way the product page looked with one two star review being the only one. KU reads have also dropped off substantially since that review went live. The second (much more positive one) one came up relatively late yesterday, so its effect hasn't really had time to be felt.

Today I have Booksends, which has a good reputation for getting results, the product page no longer looks so scary. Booksends puts up the new ads at about 1 pm Eastern, or about 10 am my time, so I'm hoping that will get Different Lee back on the right path. If not, well, at least this launch has still been bigger than any of the others.

The experience has me thinking I should do more to elicit early reviews. I haven't done much in the past because I knew people didn't expect a new book to have reviews yet, but getting some would protect me against this kind of disruption in the future. It would also enable me to go after a few promoters who don't really give new releases a break and insist on x number of reviews for any book they promote.

Live and learn...

I was so outraged over your bad review I moved your book to the top of my reading pile. I'm up to chapter 7: 38% and I like it very much. I'm trying to hurry through so I can post a review, but if for some reason you need another good review ASAP I could write something based on the part I've already completed. Just let me know.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: TiffanyNicole on November 19, 2016, 09:08:09 AM
Hi everyone.

It's great to read what everyone is doing post Kindle Scout. My second attempt was a fail in mid-October. I've decided to hold the book back until books two and three of the series are done so that will be a couple of months. Also, I need to save some money up for promo. I know it's a good idea to publish right away while your book is fresh in Scouter's minds, but my page views were so dismal, I really don't think it will make much difference. I think it's much more important to have the next books ready to publish and promo money. I'll keep checking in here and updating my progress if anything interesting happens.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 19, 2016, 09:58:10 AM
Okay, so now pre-order is live, and I've managed to sit down at my computer again (to effectively ignore my NaNo project it seems!), I've started organising my promos.

The email has been sent to my KS nominators, so*hopefully* that should do something towards helping! I also bit the bullet and booked a genre crave promo. It's pretty much wiped out my entire budget, but I was told by an author friend that it was 100% worth it, so fingers crossed!

I have a couple of headtalker campaigns set up (which is the first time I've done one, so this could be interesting!)
https://headtalker.com/campaigns/0-99-what-lies-beneath-the-ma/
https://headtalker.com/campaigns/what-lies-beneath-the-mask/

I also have a book blitz with Obsessive Pimpettes scheduled. I've done one with them before and its gained me a couple of reviews, but it's free so worth a shot regardless really! Especially if it gets me some early reviews!

I've also set up an instafreebie, to try and get some early reviews. (https://www.instafreebie.com/free/L3P4W). Hopefully it should help add to my newsletter subscribers too! But I'll let you know how that gets on!
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 19, 2016, 12:43:41 PM
Thank you for your promo updates Bill, they're really helpful for trying to work out the best things to do!

Also don't worry about the 1 star! In a few weeks time, when the great reviews are rolling in, it will be validation to purchasers that your reviews are trustworthy!

My own status update is that What Lies Beneath the Mask is now up for preorder! (https://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Lies-Beneath-Laura-Greenwood-ebook/dp/B01N778J7W/). Now just to set the ball rolling on promos before release day!

I also have some feelers out for reviews, will let you know if it works!

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Thanks for your support!
I just preordered. I'll be waiting for December 1!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 19, 2016, 12:50:11 PM
I was so outraged over your bad review I moved your book to the top of my reading pile. I'm up to chapter 7: 38% and I like it very much. I'm trying to hurry through so I can post a review, but if for some reason you need another good review ASAP I could write something based on the part I've already completed. Just let me know.
I'm touched that you're worrying about me so soon after your surgery. There's no need to rush out a review based on what you've read, and I wouldn't want to put pressure on you even if there was. So far today I've picked up 16 sales from the Booksends promo, which suggests the product page is not as frightening now that one other review is up. One two star might be a signal to run, but a two star and a five star would probably be a reason to at least look at them if the person is even remotely interested in the book. As long as people read that review, I have nothing to worry about.

I'm glad you're enjoying the book, though. Hopefully, you will find the rest just as enjoyable.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 19, 2016, 12:56:29 PM
Hi everyone.

It's great to read what everyone is doing post Kindle Scout. My second attempt was a fail in mid-October. I've decided to hold the book back until books two and three of the series are done so that will be a couple of months. Also, I need to save some money up for promo. I know it's a good idea to publish right away while your book is fresh in Scouter's minds, but my page views were so dismal, I really don't think it will make much difference. I think it's much more important to have the next books ready to publish and promo money. I'll keep checking in here and updating my progress if anything interesting happens.
That does sound like a plan. As I'm learning, promos are pretty important for a new release. Even with good KS stats, I think you'd get an initial flurry, but it would probably die down relatively quickly without something to keep it going. I've never been one to line up a huge mass of promos for a release, but I have to say it makes a positive difference to keep feeding that momentum, especially during the first thirty days.

I wish I had the self-control to hold off on a release like that. Sadly, I have a hard time not releasing one book as soon as it's ready to go.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: TiffanyNicole on November 19, 2016, 03:22:18 PM
That does sound like a plan. As I'm learning, promos are pretty important for a new release. Even with good KS stats, I think you'd get an initial flurry, but it would probably die down relatively quickly without something to keep it going. I've never been one to line up a huge mass of promos for a release, but I have to say it makes a positive difference to keep feeding that momentum, especially during the first thirty days.

I wish I had the self-control to hold off on a release like that. Sadly, I have a hard time not releasing one book as soon as it's ready to go.


It's definitely hard to wait! This is actually the first time I'm trying this strategy. I'll probably release books 1 & 2 at the same time and put book 3 on pre-order. I figure what I've been doing isn't working so I'm going to try some different things in 2017.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 19, 2016, 06:39:41 PM

It's definitely hard to wait! This is actually the first time I'm trying this strategy. I'll probably release books 1 & 2 at the same time and put book 3 on pre-order. I figure what I've been doing isn't working so I'm going to try some different things in 2017.
If I might offer a suggestion, release book 2 thirty days after book 1 instead of simultaneously. That way book 2 comes out just as book 1 is falling of the 30 day cliff. Then release 3 thirty days after that. That way you maximize the visibility of your author brand. The way you're thinking of doing it might be good for fans who are impatient for the sequel, but it has two books lose exposure at the same time an the third following suit two weeks later. That gives you 45 days  or so of top exposure when you could have had 90.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 20, 2016, 05:42:16 AM
I'm pleased to report that the five-star review apparently blunted the two-star's impact enough to get people to take a look at the book. Booksends promotion netted me 34 sales yesterday and 5 so far today. My KU pages also started recovering. With more reviews on the way, I think I can stop worrying about the two-star. (Sigh of relief)

By the way, this is my first time using Booksends, but they have a good reputation, and they are now my second most effective promotion. (Bargain Booksy still holds the top spot.) As with many promo sites, to use them for a new release book, you need to have other books with good reviews, so they wouldn't really work for a debut novel (unless you pulled in a lot of ARC reviews or otherwise ended up with a pile of reviews very early on). In other circumstances, they look like a good deal.

My goal, of course, is to make the Kindle Scout folks say, "Wow! We really missed an opportunity!" :P I don't know if that's really possible, but one can dream. In any case, I'm certainly happy with the results so far. My numbers are modest compared to the really successful self pubbers, but at least they're growing, and I am breaking all kinds of personal records this month. Different Lee has already surpassed the record for most books sold in a month (both for an individual title and for the total for all books), and most KU pages read in a month for an individual title. It hasn't yet beaten most books sold in a day, but with EReader News today coming up on 12/2 (the same promoter that helped Living with Your Past Selves make the record in the first place), anything could happen.

Thanks again for all the support. It's always good to have during the rough patches we all inevitably face. Self publishing is very rewarding, but it does have its ups and downs, and you're all good people to have one's back during the downs.

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Post by: Kay7979 on November 20, 2016, 05:58:07 AM
I'm pleased to report that the five-star review apparently blunted the two-star's impact enough to get people to take a look at the book. Booksends promotion netted me 34 sales yesterday and 5 so far today. My KU pages also started recovering. With more reviews on the way, I think I can stop worrying about the two-star. (Sigh of relief)

By the way, this is my first time using Booksends, but they have a good reputation, and they are now my second most effective promotion. (Bargain Booksy still holds the top spot.) As with many promo sites, to use them for a new release book, you need to have other books with good reviews, so they wouldn't really work for a debut novel (unless you pulled in a lot of ARC reviews or otherwise ended up with a pile of reviews very early on). In other circumstances, they look like a good deal.

My goal, of course, is to make the Kindle Scout folks say, "Wow! We really missed an opportunity!" :P I don't know if that's really possible, but one can dream. In any case, I'm certainly happy with the results so far. My numbers are modest compared to the really successful self pubbers, but at least they're growing, and I am breaking all kinds of personal records this month. Different Lee has already surpassed the record for most books sold in a month (both for an individual title and for the total for all books), and most KU pages read in a month for an individual title. It hasn't yet beaten most books sold in a day, but with EReader News today coming up on 12/2 (the same promoter that helped Living with Your Past Selves make the record in the first place), anything could happen.

Thanks again for all the support. It's always good to have during the rough patches we all inevitably face. Self publishing is very rewarding, but it does have its ups and downs, and you're all good people to have one's back during the downs.

I'm thrilled with your success. I think you're turning a corner and have great days ahead!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 20, 2016, 06:14:12 AM
Go Bill! I feel you will do very well with Different Lee in the months to come. And that's the beauty of self-publishing: There is always the possibility of success, even months after publication. I don't think we should beat ourselves up too much over promotion: you do the best you can and hope for the best. And I think we're all doing our best!
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Post by: TiffanyNicole on November 20, 2016, 07:28:34 AM
If I might offer a suggestion, release book 2 thirty days after book 1 instead of simultaneously. That way book 2 comes out just as book 1 is falling of the 30 day cliff. Then release 3 thirty days after that. That way you maximize the visibility of your author brand. The way you're thinking of doing it might be good for fans who are impatient for the sequel, but it has two books lose exposure at the same time an the third following suit two weeks later. That gives you 45 days  or so of top exposure when you could have had 90.


Good points. I'll definitely consider that.
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Post by: SG on November 20, 2016, 08:28:28 AM
Woohoo Bill!!! That's an amazing success story you're creating. And thanks for sharing the details of your journey with us :)

Don't worry about the reviews too much, people buying a book read them and draw their own conclusions which in this case will definitely be in your favor.   

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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 20, 2016, 08:34:13 AM
Woohoo Bill!!! That's an amazing success story you're creating. And thanks for sharing the details of your journey with us :)

Don't worry about the reviews too much, people buying a book read them and draw their own conclusions which in this case will definitely be in your favor.
Words of wisdom, although having one review, and having that review be bad, definitely does scare people off. Once more reviews accumulate, then readers definitely do take more of a look if they care about reviews.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 20, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
Yey go Bill!

Will admit that part of my motivation at the moment is proving to KS that they missed out!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 20, 2016, 08:40:12 AM
Go Bill! I feel you will do very well with Different Lee in the months to come. And that's the beauty of self-publishing: There is always the possibility of success, even months after publication. I don't think we should beat ourselves up too much over promotion: you do the best you can and hope for the best. And I think we're all doing our best!
Yes, that's all we can ever do is our best. Fretting about it doesn't help--though it is human nature.

And yes, sometimes success comes a long time after initial release. There is a common feeling that at a certain point a book exhausts its audience and just dies. A book may exhaust the pool of readers it has reached at that point, but unless it fit into a very small niche, there are plenty of other readers out there. My very first book starting actually selling (once I learned how to promote, had its best day a year out, and still runs first or second in sales every single month, all of this despite the fact that it lay dormant for five or six months.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 20, 2016, 08:47:03 AM
Yey go Bill!

Will admit that part of my motivation at the moment is proving to KS that they missed out!

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Unfortunately, I suspect they don't monitor the books they rejected to see how they do, but I like to think they are.

On a related topic, anyone have a working theory on how the other Amazon imprints get books? I just noticed the Kindle First books are all from the other imprints, so clearly they have a fair number of new releases, but I guess no one who gets tapped visits these forums, because I don't think I've ever heard a description of the process. I know a few early KS authors got offered three-book contracts by Amazon labels when their KS book took off, but I'm not sure if that happened more than once or twice.

When I first started publishing, there was a theory that the imprint editors watched self pub sales figures and offered contracts to people who were doing well. However, I also knew a number of authors who were doing very well, and none of them ever heard from an Amazon imprint. The whole process is a total mystery to me. I know they don't accept submissions, but I have no idea by what process they do acquire books.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 20, 2016, 08:50:46 AM
Unfortunately, I suspect they don't monitor the books they rejected to see how they do, but I like to think they are.

On a related topic, anyone have a working theory on how the other Amazon imprints get books? I just noticed the Kindle First books are all from the other imprints, so clearly they have a fair number of new releases, but I guess no one who gets tapped visits these forums, because I don't think I've ever heard a description of the process. I know a few early KS authors got offered three-book contracts by Amazon labels when their KS book took off, but I'm not sure if that happened more than once or twice.

When I first started publishing, there was a theory that the imprint editors watched self pub sales figures and offered contracts to people who were doing well. However, I also knew a number of authors who were doing very well, and none of them ever heard from an Amazon imprint. The whole process is a total mystery to me. I know they don't accept submissions, but I have no idea by what process they do acquire books.
I know that Kindle Singles take submissions but other than that I'm not sure! I doubt they bother watching sale figures really

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Post by: Patricia KC on November 20, 2016, 09:15:28 AM
Unfortunately, I suspect they don't monitor the books they rejected to see how they do, but I like to think they are.

On a related topic, anyone have a working theory on how the other Amazon imprints get books? I just noticed the Kindle First books are all from the other imprints, so clearly they have a fair number of new releases, but I guess no one who gets tapped visits these forums, because I don't think I've ever heard a description of the process. I know a few early KS authors got offered three-book contracts by Amazon labels when their KS book took off, but I'm not sure if that happened more than once or twice.

When I first started publishing, there was a theory that the imprint editors watched self pub sales figures and offered contracts to people who were doing well. However, I also knew a number of authors who were doing very well, and none of them ever heard from an Amazon imprint. The whole process is a total mystery to me. I know they don't accept submissions, but I have no idea by what process they do acquire books.

The other Amazon imprints no longer take unsolicited submissions. (I believe they did in the beginning.) One has to have an agent to submit to them, and agents do submit to them.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 20, 2016, 09:30:21 AM
The other Amazon imprints no longer take unsolicited submissions. (I believe they did in the beginning.) One has to have an agent to submit to them, and agents do submit to them.
Interesting! I thought they never took submissions of any kind. The Amazon imprint page, which admittedly hasn't been updated in awhile, has the ambiguous statement, "Amazon Publishing does not accept unsolicited manuscripts or other submissions at this time." I guess that just bans any kind of unsolicited input, but "other submissions" could be read as, "Don't call us; we'll call you." It depends upon whether unsolicited applies to other submissions. Most publishers have a much clearer statement of their process.
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Post by: Patricia KC on November 20, 2016, 09:46:43 AM
Interesting! I thought they never took submissions of any kind. The Amazon imprint page, which admittedly hasn't been updated in awhile, has the ambiguous statement, "Amazon Publishing does not accept unsolicited manuscripts or other submissions at this time." I guess that just bans any kind of unsolicited input, but "other submissions" could be read as, "Don't call us; we'll call you." It depends upon whether unsolicited applies to other submissions. Most publishers have a much clearer statement of their process.

I know a couple of writers who recently signed multi-book contracts with two separate imprints. Both were agented deals. As with most other large publishers, agents have access and information the rest of us peons don't.  ;)
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 20, 2016, 10:41:41 AM
I know a couple of writers who recently signed multi-book contracts with two separate imprints. Both were agented deals. As with most other large publishers, agents have access and information the rest of us peons don't.  ;)
Well, that's certainly true. There was something exciting, though, about the idea that if you sold well enough, you might find yourself getting offered a contract.
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Post by: Patricia KC on November 20, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
Well, that's certainly true. There was something exciting, though, about the idea that if you sold well enough, you might find yourself getting offered a contract.

It has happened in the past. Who knows? It could happen again.
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Post by: KCecala on November 20, 2016, 11:47:53 AM
I'm pretty sure if your self-pubbed book became a big hit, agents would come a-calling.
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Post by: RWhite7699 on November 20, 2016, 01:57:10 PM
I'm pleased to report that the five-star review apparently blunted the two-star's impact enough to get people to take a look at the book. Booksends promotion netted me 34 sales yesterday and 5 so far today. My KU pages also started recovering. With more reviews on the way, I think I can stop worrying about the two-star. (Sigh of relief)

By the way, this is my first time using Booksends, but they have a good reputation, and they are now my second most effective promotion. (Bargain Booksy still holds the top spot.) As with many promo sites, to use them for a new release book, you need to have other books with good reviews, so they wouldn't really work for a debut novel (unless you pulled in a lot of ARC reviews or otherwise ended up with a pile of reviews very early on). In other circumstances, they look like a good deal.

My goal, of course, is to make the Kindle Scout folks say, "Wow! We really missed an opportunity!" :P I don't know if that's really possible, but one can dream. In any case, I'm certainly happy with the results so far. My numbers are modest compared to the really successful self pubbers, but at least they're growing, and I am breaking all kinds of personal records this month. Different Lee has already surpassed the record for most books sold in a month (both for an individual title and for the total for all books), and most KU pages read in a month for an individual title. It hasn't yet beaten most books sold in a day, but with EReader News today coming up on 12/2 (the same promoter that helped Living with Your Past Selves make the record in the first place), anything could happen.

Thanks again for all the support. It's always good to have during the rough patches we all inevitably face. Self publishing is very rewarding, but it does have its ups and downs, and you're all good people to have one's back during the downs.


Way to go, Bill. Don't let one bad review get you down. I'll bet it's the first one you ever had, right? It has been my experience that only the first bad review hurts that much. After that, you see how the good ones far out-weigh it.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 20, 2016, 02:46:39 PM

Way to go, Bill. Don't let one bad review get you down. I'll bet it's the first one you ever had, right? It has been my experience that only the first bad review hurts that much. After that, you see how the good ones far out-weigh it.
No, actually there are a few others, and my skin is pretty thick. It was the logistics--a two-star review as the only review at a point when I was doing a lot of promotion--that worried. Indeed, it did lower both sales and KU reads for a couple of days, so I may have been right to worry, but now that it has been joined by a five star, the book is moving again. Yesterday, as I've said, was a good day for sales, and today is a particularly good day for KU reads, even though mine usually drop on Sunday.
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Post by: KCecala on November 21, 2016, 05:01:15 AM
No, actually there are a few others, and my skin is pretty thick. It was the logistics--a two-star review as the only review at a point when I was doing a lot of promotion--that worried. Indeed, it did lower both sales and KU reads for a couple of days, so I may have been right to worry, but now that it has been joined by a five star, the book is moving again. Yesterday, as I've said, was a good day for sales, and today is a particularly good day for KU reads, even though mine usually drop on Sunday.
That first review is the scariest!
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 21, 2016, 06:41:13 AM
Thanks all for the continuing encouragement!

Status Update: Bookscream seems to have netted me seven sales yesterday and one today. That's not a huge pile, but they are inexpensive and get you scheduled quickly. I probably could have done better, especially since they featured my book (bigger ad than all the other fantasy titles that day). Sadly, they are also the only mailing list I've seen so far that prominent displays the current review average for the book, and I was literally the only one with below a 4.0 in the whole mailing, which can't have helped.

Today is Book Raid, which I've never used before, so we'll see what happens. After that there's a gap until 11/27, on the assumption that Thanksgiving isn't the best time to promote.

You probably got the emails too, but Whit's End and What Lies Beneath the Mask are now both available.

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Post by: LoriDRV on November 21, 2016, 08:52:22 AM
Hi Guys - I'm jittery today, cause my novel, Whit's End, has just gone LIVE!!! Yikes. My first one.

Thank you, Bill, for mentioning my novel on the boards. Congratulations on your sales. You are doing some good work promoting.

So, I tried doing a post boost on my fb author page, and my screen froze. It never said it if went through, so I tried it again, and this time it tried to boost the wrong post! I tried to stop it, but it was too late, and my screen froze again. According to PayPal, both my boosts went through, but I do NOT see them showing up on my author page or anywhere. I don't know if it takes time for them to verify payment or what.

For crying out loud, why couldn't it go smoothly?

I'm giving away my memoir anthology, Home Avenue, for this week of Thanksgiving, if you guys would like to download it. It's a quick read, probably take you an afternoon. I share stories from my dysfunctional family with a bit of humor and an uplifting twist at the end. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LPJ9YDI

I put all the info on my blog about both books.
Blog: https://loreezlane.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/whits-end-is-up-and-running/
Whit's End: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N77QY32

Thank you all for your encouragement (as I bite my nails because I don't know what I'm doing regarding the publishing and promo end of things).

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Post by: PatriciaThomson on November 21, 2016, 09:23:54 AM
Well, I managed to snag a review over the weekend.  I wish it wasn't quite so brief, but it was four stars so I'll take what I can get.   :D

After giving it a lot of thought, I've decided to make Merely Players free during the month of December to hopefully garner some reviews and add to my (nonexistent) mailing list.  I'll also be boosting myself on Facebook and Twitter and write a few blog entries, then I want to do a big promotional push in January to get ready to release Another's Audience.  Sometime next year I'll be going full-time as a writer, so all this is laying the groundwork for that as well. 

Congratulations on jumping in the pool, Lori!  The water's fine!
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Post by: Kay7979 on November 21, 2016, 09:44:11 AM
Well, I managed to snag a review over the weekend.  I wish it wasn't quite so brief, but it was four stars so I'll take what I can get.   :D

After giving it a lot of thought, I've decided to make Merely Players free during the month of December to hopefully garner some reviews and add to my (nonexistent) mailing list.  I'll also be boosting myself on Facebook and Twitter and write a few blog entries, then I want to do a big promotional push in January to get ready to release Another's Audience.  Sometime next year I'll be going full-time as a writer, so all this is laying the groundwork for that as well. 

Congratulations on jumping in the pool, Lori!  The water's fine!

Hi Patricia! I hope the review will be the first of many. I know what you mean about the mailing list as I don't have one yet either.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 21, 2016, 01:01:25 PM
Thanks all for the continuing encouragement!

Status Update: Bookscream seems to have netted me seven sales yesterday and one today. That's not a huge pile, but they are inexpensive and get you scheduled quickly. I probably could have done better, especially since they featured my book (bigger ad than all the other fantasy titles that day). Sadly, they are also the only mailing list I've seen so far that prominent displays the current review average for the book, and I was literally the only one with below a 4.0 in the whole mailing, which can't have helped.

Today is Book Raid, which I've never used before, so we'll see what happens. After that there's a gap until 11/27, on the assumption that Thanksgiving isn't the best time to promote.

You probably got the emails too, but Whit's End and What Lies Beneath the Mask are now both available.

Thank you for the mention Bill! Seem that since the email went out I've gained a grand total of 1 pre-order! Even so, it's enough to get me a little excited!

I haven't come across either of those two promo companies, I've pretty much used up my promo budget now though, so we'll have to see if I actually make it back to go into more !

Paid Promos I have: Genre Crave (12/12/2016), BKnights (01/12/2016), Sweet Free Books (02/12/2016)
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Post by: LoriDRV on November 21, 2016, 01:45:41 PM
Thank you, Patricia, for the nice welcome. And, good luck to you with the releases.

I'm a bit frustrated right now. Facebook took two boost payments from me and they never showed up anywhere. I've looked everywhere to try and find out how to fix this problem, and their help system is so jumbled I can't figure it out. You can only leave a question and not discuss anything with anyone on a forum. I don't have time to try to figure out their system. I may have to stop payment on my credit card to them.

Unless, maybe I'm missing something? Sigh.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 21, 2016, 01:47:29 PM
Hi Guys - I'm jittery today, cause my novel, Whit's End, has just gone LIVE!!! Yikes. My first one.

Thank you, Bill, for mentioning my novel on the boards. Congratulations on your sales. You are doing some good work promoting.

So, I tried doing a post boost on my fb author page, and my screen froze. It never said it if went through, so I tried it again, and this time it tried to boost the wrong post! I tried to stop it, but it was too late, and my screen froze again. According to PayPal, both my boosts went through, but I do NOT see them showing up on my author page or anywhere. I don't know if it takes time for them to verify payment or what.

For crying out loud, why couldn't it go smoothly?

I'm giving away my memoir anthology, Home Avenue, for this week of Thanksgiving, if you guys would like to download it. It's a quick read, probably take you an afternoon. I share stories from my dysfunctional family with a bit of humor and an uplifting twist at the end. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LPJ9YDI

I put all the info on my blog about both books.
Blog: https://loreezlane.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/whits-end-is-up-and-running/
Whit's End: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N77QY32

Thank you all for your encouragement (as I bite my nails because I don't know what I'm doing regarding the publishing and promo end of things).
I picked up the memoir anthology. Thanks for the tip!

THe FB thing is odd. You should be able to cancel the incorrectly boosted post. As for the other, it usually takes a little while for the ad to be approved, though usually not too long on a weekday. Over the years I've learned never to try to start an FB ad on the weekend, when I suspect they have less staff to process the requests.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 21, 2016, 01:50:29 PM
Thank you, Patricia, for the nice welcome. And, good luck to you with the releases.

I'm a bit frustrated right now. Facebook took two boost payments from me and they never showed up anywhere. I've looked everywhere to try and find out how to fix this problem, and their help system is so jumbled I can't figure it out. You can only leave a question and not discuss anything with anyone on a forum. I don't have time to try to figure out their system. I may have to stop payment on my credit card to them.

Unless, maybe I'm missing something? Sigh.
Check in your ads manager to see what's showing there. You should be able to tell whether the ads are active or not.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 21, 2016, 01:54:14 PM
Thank you for the mention Bill! Seem that since the email went out I've gained a grand total of 1 pre-order! Even so, it's enough to get me a little excited!

I haven't come across either of those two promo companies, I've pretty much used up my promo budget now though, so we'll have to see if I actually make it back to go into more !

Paid Promos I have: Genre Crave (12/12/2016), BKnights (01/12/2016), Sweet Free Books (02/12/2016)
All three have good reputations, and I did pretty well with Sweet Free Books. Bknights advertised as promised. I got zero sales, but it may have been a genre thing. Others report good results. I haven't used Genre Crave before, but I also here good things about them. My first run with them is exactly one week before yours.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 21, 2016, 02:06:11 PM
All three have good reputations, and I did pretty well with Sweet Free Books. Bknights advertised as promised. I got zero sales, but it may have been a genre thing. Others report good results. I haven't used Genre Crave before, but I also here good things about them. My first run with them is exactly one week before yours.
Good to know I haven't picked badly!

Genre Crave was recommended to me by an author friend (who is also the designer of my cover actually!) She said that while I was more pricey, it was definitely worth it...

Of course I've made it difficult for myself by trying to go for romance...but the mind wants to write what the mind wants to write!

Kind of hoping my cover may help with impulse buys maybe!

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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 21, 2016, 02:06:39 PM
After giving it a lot of thought, I've decided to make Merely Players free during the month of December to hopefully garner some reviews and add to my (nonexistent) mailing list.
I know mailing lists are supposed to be useful, but they can be a real chore. I find one more or less has to bribe people to get them it sign up. Just don't do what I did initially. I had a couple of giveaways in which I made signing up for the mailing list an entry option. That seemed to work--I got hundreds of signups. The problem was a lot of them were people who were only interested in giveaways. Those folks tended to not open the newsletter unless it had giveaway in the subject line, and if the giveaway wasn't big enough, they tended to unsubscribe. Not a healthy situation!

Eventually I went through and deleted a lot of people who were never opening the emails, and I removed email list signup from my giveaways. Instead, I offer people who sign up a free book. I figured people who actually wanted an ebook would be more genuinely interested. Signups have been few, but those people don't unsubscribe.

I'm not sure how many sales I actually get from the mailing list, though I do get a reasonable number of clicks, and I can attribute a noticeable number of page views on my Scout campaign to them. On the whole, having a mailing list has been worth it, though I can't seem to get the magical results some people claim. (A lot of the sales gurus say all they have to do is send out an email, and their new release climbs into the top 100 on Amazon. I'm afraid that isn't me.)
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 21, 2016, 02:07:55 PM
Good to know I haven't picked badly!

Genre Crave was recommended to me by an author friend (who is also the designer of my cover actually!) She said that while I was more pricey, it was definitely worth it...

Of course I've made it difficult for myself by trying to go for romance...but the mind wants to write what the mind wants to write!

Kind of hoping my cover may help with impulse buys maybe!

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Romance is a very popular genre, and your cover is striking, so you ought to do well.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 21, 2016, 02:14:31 PM
Romance is a very popular genre, and your cover is striking, so you ought to do well.
It is popular, my concern mainly stems from it also being saturated! I will admit my cover still gives me the feels! As soon as I saw the stock image I knew it was perfect (well except that the model was blonde!) And my cover designer did such an amazing job! 


On the subject of mailing lists...I took the plunge for the instafreebie paid option (you can make mailing list opt in compulsory to get a book). I've offered two short stories (I'd just got the rights back on the two of them), one of which is exclusive to my mailing list. So far I've had nearly 90 sign ups (in 10 days) and only 2 unsubscribes when I sent out a newsletter. I haven't been doing much other than a few tweets and a Facebook post, so I think it's worth the $20/month payment, especially when it takes out so much of the hassle!

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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 21, 2016, 02:31:11 PM
It is popular, my concern mainly stems from it also being saturated! I will admit my cover still gives me the feels! As soon as I saw the stock image I knew it was perfect (well except that the model was blonde!) And my cover designer did such an amazing job! 


On the subject of mailing lists...I took the plunge for the instafreebie paid option (you can make mailing list opt in compulsory to get a book). I've offered two short stories (I'd just got the rights back on the two of them), one of which is exclusive to my mailing list. So far I've had nearly 90 sign ups (in 10 days) and only 2 unsubscribes when I sent out a newsletter. I haven't been doing much other than a few tweets and a Facebook post, so I think it's worth the $20/month payment, especially when it takes out so much of the hassle!

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That's a good suggestion. Being in Select prevents me from doing much with instafreebie, but if I'm ever out of it, I'll give it a try.
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Post by: SG on November 21, 2016, 02:59:57 PM
Congrats, everyone, on your new launches!!! Wish you all great success.


On the subject of mailing lists...I took the plunge for the instafreebie paid option (you can make mailing list opt in compulsory to get a book). I've offered two short stories (I'd just got the rights back on the two of them), one of which is exclusive to my mailing list. So far I've had nearly 90 sign ups (in 10 days) and only 2 unsubscribes when I sent out a newsletter. I haven't been doing much other than a few tweets and a Facebook post, so I think it's worth the $20/month payment, especially when it takes out so much of the hassle!

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I cannot recommend Instafreebie enough. I languished with about 100 subscribers for a year (with link to my newsletter at the front and back of my books AND a call to action on my website with multiple novellas), until I joined Instafreebie. I have multiple reader magnets up there and I also participated in Dean Wilson's SFF Promos. In a couple of months, I have gone up to thousands of subscribers. Yes, many unsubscribe after I send out newsletters but the engagement has been phenomenal with the rest.

The first month is free at Instafreebie, so it's easy to try out also.
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Post by: Kay7979 on November 21, 2016, 03:47:28 PM
I have a couple small milestones to report. I got my tenth 5-star review today. I had another sale, FINALLY, from my AMS ads. It's slower going with a full priced book. I'm looking at some of Bill's promo recommendations as well as some sites I bookmarked. Now that I have ten reviews, that may open a few doors. A few sites may not be suitable since my book is inexpensive but not actually discounted.
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Post by: LoriDRV on November 21, 2016, 09:02:16 PM
Check in your ads manager to see what's showing there. You should be able to tell whether the ads are active or not.

Thanks, Bill. I couldn't find anything there, so I rechecked my PayPal account and found that I wasn't charged. So, I tried it again and this time it worked.

Got 10 sales on my novel on this first day of release, and my freebie went like hot cakes. Close to 100. I joined a local fb page where I live, and they know my books take place in our hometown area. However, I think half of the book sales went to my blog followers. I've been talking about this book to them for a looong time now. The ones who bought it told me in my comments. I did find a stranger who bought it and mentioned me on twitter. She found me on Kindle Scout and said she'd been waiting for it to come out. That was pretty cool to have someone I never met online or otherwise look forward to reading it.
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Post by: KCecala on November 22, 2016, 04:38:24 AM
Thanks, Bill. I couldn't find anything there, so I rechecked my PayPal account and found that I wasn't charged. So, I tried it again and this time it worked.

Got 10 sales on my novel on this first day of release, and my freebie went like hot cakes. Close to 100. I joined a local fb page where I live, and they know my books take place in our hometown area. However, I think half of the book sales went to my blog followers. I've been talking about this book to them for a looong time now. The ones who bought it told me in my comments. I did find a stranger who bought it and mentioned me on twitter. She found me on Kindle Scout and said she'd been waiting for it to come out. That was pretty cool to have someone I never met online or otherwise look forward to reading it.
Congratulations,Lori! Just checked out your book on Amazon, it looks great. Pretty cool ranking too--I have NEVER sold even one book on my first day out so I'm impressed that you sold 10. I will be watching your progress since your book's similar to mine in a way--mine, with luck, should be out Dec. 1st, then we can compare notes!
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Post by: KCecala on November 22, 2016, 04:40:22 AM
oh, and I wanted to congratulate Kay, too. Ten five-star reviews! wow!
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 22, 2016, 05:55:14 AM
I have a couple small milestones to report. I got my tenth 5-star review today. I had another sale, FINALLY, from my AMS ads. It's slower going with a full priced book. I'm looking at some of Bill's promo recommendations as well as some sites I bookmarked. Now that I have ten reviews, that may open a few doors. A few sites may not be suitable since my book is inexpensive but not actually discounted.
Ten reviews is indeed the magic number for a lot of places. The insistence on discounts at some is a little crazy-making, though. The first book in my first series is "permacheap," and so a lot of places turn up their nose at it. The emphasis on bargains tends to drive prices down in the long run, which isn't necessarily good for us.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 22, 2016, 05:58:26 AM
Thanks, Bill. I couldn't find anything there, so I rechecked my PayPal account and found that I wasn't charged. So, I tried it again and this time it worked.

Got 10 sales on my novel on this first day of release, and my freebie went like hot cakes. Close to 100. I joined a local fb page where I live, and they know my books take place in our hometown area. However, I think half of the book sales went to my blog followers. I've been talking about this book to them for a looong time now. The ones who bought it told me in my comments. I did find a stranger who bought it and mentioned me on twitter. She found me on Kindle Scout and said she'd been waiting for it to come out. That was pretty cool to have someone I never met online or otherwise look forward to reading it.
I'm glad the FB ad got fixed. Those things can be such a nuisance.

Yes, 10 sales is a good opening day. At least you have blog followers. I've got a very active FB author page, but my blog is mostly visited when I do a giveaway. It's nice to know that your Scout exposure is already paying off.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 22, 2016, 06:11:41 AM
Status update: Book Raid brought in 7 sales yesterday and 2 so far today. I'm told they often produce more sales the second day than the first, so we'll see. They have a smaller list than many, but if I recall correctly, they're inexpensive. Anyway, I'm at 195 sales and almost 27 full KU reads in the US alone. I'm too lazy to add up all the international stats right now, but aside from being my best month ever in the US, it's also my best month ever in the UK, Canada, and Australia, as well as bringing in my first sale and KU read in Mexico.

It looks as if we'll be getting some new recruits soon. KS editors axed several books late yesterday. Sigh! Among our older nominations, I think only Seeing Blue and Princess Dracula are still in the running. Ceiling Man just closed recently, as did What It Is, so naturally they're still in the running. With the holiday weekend coming up, it looks as if the editors are up against the two week deadline for books that ended on the 11th, but they also gave quick rejections to some whose campaign closed more recently.
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Post by: LoriDRV on November 22, 2016, 02:15:42 PM
Thank you, Bill and Kathy, for your support. Kay, congratulations on all those 5 stars.

Kathy - Does your book have erotica? Even though my two characters are married and one has an affair, I just couldn't bring myself to write sex scenes, no matter what the age of the character. My characters actually start out in their mid-twenties and the novel spans over 20 years. Yours seemed like it had some humor. Did you get a new book cover? I look forward to it releasing.

My novel has been a long time coming. It went through two rounds in my critique group. I had to rewrite the Meg character after the first go-around, because I couldn't identify with her, and she wasn't coming across clearly.

Then, I sent it off to a half-dozen small presses where it was rejected. In the mean time, my husband had an accident. After his recovery, a year later, we moved across country. Once we got there I sent the novel off to an editor. Then, we moved again, but this time only 15 miles. We just got settled into our final home right when I put my novel in Kindle Scout.

The only thing I've been writing is on my blog for the last 18 months. I've had it for several years now, and I've been telling followers about Whit's End for a long time. They helped me promote it in Kindle Scout. I just love my blogging community. Sometimes I let that take up my time instead of writing.

Anyway, I didn't mean to go on. It's just such a relief to finally have this novel up and running. Now, I hope some reviews start coming in soon. People sure do like those freebies. I've had 125 downloads of my memoir anthology since yesterday.

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Post by: Kay7979 on November 22, 2016, 02:27:23 PM
Bill, it's great to hear your promo successes. Very encouraging!

I had another AMS sale today! I can hardly believe it, and even more surprising, it was from the same keyword as the last sale. That keyword is a keeper!

For anyone who enjoys fantasy novels, and who lives in the US, I'm giving away five PB copies of my book. Enter to win between today and the 30th. I'd like one of you to win the book because you're nice people that I "know" and besides, you would be kind enough to post a review!  :D.

https://www.goodreads.com/giveaway/show/212552-beyond-the-forest
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Post by: Kay7979 on November 22, 2016, 02:36:58 PM
oh, and I wanted to congratulate Kay, too. Ten five-star reviews! wow!

Thanks. It was a weird feeling at first having someone outside the family read my book. I'm getting used to that now, and it's wonderful when readers share even a tiny part of my own enthusiasm for the book.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 22, 2016, 03:34:35 PM



Kathy - Does your book have erotica? Even though my two characters are married and one has an affair, I just couldn't bring myself to write sex scenes, no matter what the age of the character. My characters actually start out in their mid-twenties and the novel spans over 20 years.

I didn't put any sex scenes in  mine Lori! And my MCs are in their twenties! It's made obvious that they have done though, but it just didn't feel right to have them in there!

I don't think books need sex scenes to be good anyway! Sometimes they help with the story sure, but it depends on the focus! I got the impression, from what you've said and what I read on your KS page, that your book is one of those that doesn't need it!

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Post by: KCecala on November 22, 2016, 04:19:18 PM
Hi Lori. There is no explicit sex in my book, Wives of the Saints, but my characters talk a lot about it! The whole point of the book is that these poor folks consider themselves devout Catholics but are quite messed up when it comes to sex in general, as is the case with many of us misinformed older ones... It is humorous, not poking fun at the Church at all, just gently laughing at some the absurd notions we've grown up with. And you know, it's hard to get all that into a blurb without making it sound like either a Christian novel or Erotica! And it's neither, really, just about the 'ever after' part of marriage.
I do indeed have a new cover--I'll post a pic soon. The first thing I'm doing is posting on NetGalley, because I'm looking for some traditional 'longform' reviews like I got for my last book. Some writers have had bad experiences with NG and it's true, the reviewers are tough, because many are professionals. But a good review from them carries a lot of weight. Next up is Booklife and trying to get a review in Publisher's Weekly--that's very hard but not impossible. Because my book's a little unusual, I focus most of my initial marketing at garnering reviews, and hope the sales will follow. If not, then it's time for the freebies and other tricks. But I'm rooting for you and everyone else on this thread--let's show those dimwits at KS what they missed out on!
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Post by: LoriDRV on November 22, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Laura & Kathy, Thank you for sharing about your scenes regarding sex.  :-[

Laura, you're right, my novel does not need sex. I wanted the focus to be on a deeper message. I do show the chemistry between the couples, but then I do a sort of proverbial, "fade to black." For those youngsters, that's what they used to do in the old movies before they were allowed to show sexual content.   ;D

Kathy, I look forward to seeing your book cover. I will probably be able to identify with your characters. I was raised Catholic.  :o

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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 23, 2016, 06:24:57 AM
Let's show those dimwits at KS what they missed out on!
Amen!
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 23, 2016, 06:32:00 AM
Laura & Kathy, Thank you for sharing about your scenes regarding sex.  :-[

Laura, you're right, my novel does not need sex. I wanted the focus to be on a deeper message. I do show the chemistry between the couples, but then I do a sort of proverbial, "fade to black." For those youngsters, that's what they used to do in the old movies before they were allowed to show sexual content.   ;D

Kathy, I look forward to seeing your book cover. I will probably be able to identify with your characters. I was raised Catholic.  :o
Since I started out writing YA, I naturally didn't want to include anything even remotely explicit. (In any case, Amazon doesn't allow indie authors to do include that kind of thing with underage characters.)

Different Lee is NA, and the main character is clearly sexually active, but the sex is not actually portrayed, in part because I wanted to keep the book in a range that would still be appropriate for teenagers. Having taught high school for 36 years, I can't help seeing teenagers as part of my audience. I can imagine situations in which the sex would need to be portrayed, but I'll probably not set up a novel that requires that.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 23, 2016, 07:43:50 AM
Since I started out writing YA, I naturally didn't want to include anything even remotely explicit. (In any case, Amazon doesn't allow indie authors to do include that kind of thing with underage characters.)

Different Lee is NA, and the main character is clearly sexually active, but the sex is not actually portrayed, in part because I wanted to keep the book in a range that would still be appropriate for teenagers. Having taught high school for 36 years, I can't help seeing teenagers as part of my audience. I can imagine situations in which the sex would need to be portrayed, but I'll probably not set up a novel that requires that.
I've set What Lies Beneath the Mask out like you have Bill! My main character (Annabelle) thinks about sex and talks about it at several points with her best friend. At no point did I hide that she was attracted to her love interest physically as well as it being more than that (I decided against the will they-won't they trope!)

Probably at about 2/3rd of the way through (but I didn't actually check!) the two of them do have sex and I suppose I could have easily put a sex scene in for them (and I've written them before so it wouldn't have been a big deal for me really) but there were two reasons I didn't;

1. If readers are expecting sex scenes then they're already going to be annoyed that I made them wait so long (in relationship real time I made my characters wait for a few months, with good reason!) So I wasn't going to just put one in for the hell of it.

2. I worried it would cheapen my story. The main arc for me, though maybe not for everyone, is about Annabelle healing after her abusive relationship and learning to trust again. It was important to my story for her and Jack to have sex at some point (being that it is a natural part of a relationship) but I felt like making it an actual scene could detract from what it meant in the terms of Annabelle ' s journey

Of course I may have been wrong in my decision and shot myself in the foot+

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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 23, 2016, 07:44:42 AM
On a completely different note, KS seems to have had no impact on my preorder number. Currently sitting at 3! Which is way better than none but still not stellar!

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Post by: KCecala on November 23, 2016, 09:06:17 AM
On a completely different note, KS seems to have had no impact on my preorder number. Currently sitting at 3! Which is way better than none but still not stellar!

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Was wondering how that would play out. Oh well, guess it's better than no sales...
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 23, 2016, 09:07:35 AM
Was wondering how that would play out. Oh well, guess it's better than no sales...
Exactly! I benefitted from KS in so many ways that the sales are really just the icing on top anyway!

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Post by: Kay7979 on November 23, 2016, 09:09:15 AM
On a completely different note, KS seems to have had no impact on my preorder number. Currently sitting at 3! Which is way better than none but still not stellar!

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Most authors I've questioned say KS was little or no help with their book launches. From what I can tell, Bill is the exception to the rule. Not that he's the only one to benefit from KS, but I have a feeling that established authors with market presence benefit to a far greater degree than debut authors.
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Post by: Carey Lewis on November 23, 2016, 09:18:11 AM
On a completely different note, KS seems to have had no impact on my preorder number. Currently sitting at 3! Which is way better than none but still not stellar!
From what I understand from being completely numbed to all the marketing I've been reading (unfortunately not much of it sticking) you don't want high pre-order sales because it counts your sales on the dates of the pre-order and not when the book is released, and therefore starts you sooner on the 30 day cliff. I think basically you just put the book up for pre-order to get the ASIN so you can start booking promotions and the actual launch is when it goes on sale. Apple and Barnes and Noble and the other ones will count it toward your ranking both on pre-order and on launch day, whereas Amazon will only count them once. Argh! Maybe someone else can chime in on this because I really don't think I'm making myself clear  :-X

Basically I think I'm saying don't worry about it  ;D

Sorry, my brain is fried trying to learn how to format a paperback with Word. If I only had a Mac with Scrivener it sounds like it would have been infinitely easier. But at least I think I got it. My very first paperback!  :D
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 23, 2016, 09:20:53 AM
From what I understand from being completely numbed to all the marketing I've been reading (unfortunately not much of it sticking) you don't want high pre-order sales because it counts your sales on the dates of the pre-order and not when the book is released, and therefore starts you sooner on the 30 day cliff. I think basically you just put the book up for pre-order to get the ASIN so you can start booking promotions and the actual launch is when it goes on sale. Apple and Barnes and Noble and the other ones will count it toward your ranking both on pre-order and on launch day, whereas Amazon will only count them once. Argh! Maybe someone else can chime in on this because I really don't think I'm making myself clear  :-X

Basically I think I'm saying don't worry about it  ;D

Sorry, my brain is fried trying to learn how to format a paperback with Word. If I only had a Mac with Scrivener it sounds like it would have been infinitely easier. But at least I think I got it. My very first paperback!  :D
That's really exciting about your paperback! Bet that's a good feeling!

It's okay! Your post made sense! I'm trying not to worry about it! I have a few promos booked in after it actually goes love,  so hopefully that's where the difference can be made!

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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 23, 2016, 09:23:36 AM
Most authors I've questioned say KS was little or no help with their book launches. From what I can tell, Bill is the exception to the rule. Not that he's the only one to benefit from KS, but I have a feeling that established authors with market presence benefit to a far greater degree than debut authors.
I'm four years past my debut, but I'm not sure I'm really established (though I know people would mean different things by that). I went through a few months with 60-120 sales, plus about 30,000 KU pages, but starting in June, I was doing about half that. 30 sales a month across 12 titles isn't exactly earth-shaking. October was a little better, and this month has been great by virtue of the new release. Judging from my Also Boughts, though, I'd say the new release is pulling new readers rather than energizing the old ones. None of my other books show up in the Different Lee also boughts, and Different Lee doesn't show up in any of the also boughts for the other books. In the past, when a new book launched, some or all of my other titles showed up almost immediately in the also boughts. Given that, and given that Different Lee also boughts include far more Kindle Scout related books than the also boughts for any  of my other books do, and I'd have to say the readers are largely new, rather than being the result of my previous fan base. The only way I can think of to account for that is momentum from the Kindle Scout campaign.

Over time, I imagine my former readers will find the new book, and hopefully the new readers will begin to discover the old books, but right now the two groups are like two completely separate readerships, despite the fact that all the books are in the same genre.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 23, 2016, 09:49:13 AM
 Established wise I'm in a really odd place where What Lies Beneath the Mask is sort of acting, and sort of feels, like a debut novel, but at the same time I do have two novellas already published.

I can't comment on their sales (I don't have access to that information) but I suspect they're poor for a number of reasons. My plan is to rerelease them when the rights revert to me with a vastly different pricing/marketing strategy  (I've pretty much given up on actually marketing them now).

FYI I've decided that my time to get worried is after the 12th December if the promo I have booked flops, cause that one cost a fair bit!

 Or if I end up with all 1/2 star reviews...that would also be time to start worrying!

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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 23, 2016, 01:25:51 PM
Established wise I'm in a really odd place where What Lies Beneath the Mask is sort of acting, and sort of feels, like a debut novel, but at the same time I do have two novellas already published.

I can't comment on their sales (I don't have access to that information) but I suspect they're poor for a number of reasons. My plan is to rerelease them when the rights revert to me with a vastly different pricing/marketing strategy  (I've pretty much given up on actually marketing them now).

FYI I've decided that my time to get worried is after the 12th December if the promo I have booked flops, cause that one cost a fair bit!

 Or if I end up with all 1/2 star reviews...that would also be time to start worrying!

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It's legitimate to refer to your first novel as your debut novel even if you published shorter works. Alternatively, you could call it your self-publishing debut, since it sounds as if the novellas were self-published.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 23, 2016, 01:29:59 PM
It's legitimate to refer to your first novel as your debut novel even if you published shorter works. Alternatively, you could call it your self-publishing debut, since it sounds as if the novellas were self-published.
What it really is is my debut for wanting to take this all seriously! Up until this year writing has been a slow process, but something just clicked in my head while writing this one!

My novellas are with an indie publisher! It's all been a learning curve from the very beginning!

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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 23, 2016, 01:33:17 PM
Sorry, my brain is fried trying to learn how to format a paperback with Word. If I only had a Mac with Scrivener it sounds like it would have been infinitely easier. But at least I think I got it. My very first paperback!  :D

I compose in Scrivener (on a PC, but it does what I need it to do), but I actually do the fine-tuning for the paperback in Word. The fact that I've used Word for years probably makes it easier for me than if I were new to it. I did have to learn a few new tricks which are relevant to paperbacks but wouldn't have made any difference in terms of what I was doing before.

You'd probably do this anyway, but be sure to order a proof copy. Particularly if it's your first, but even if it isn't, this is always a wise step. I've had things look fine in the online previewer and not work quite the same way during the actual printing. The last time, which I think was my seventh, the gutter measurement didn't work out the way it should have. Even though I was already adding a tenth of an inch more than CS recommended, I needed to add another to avoid having text too close on the inside.
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Post by: LoriDRV on November 23, 2016, 04:11:13 PM
Since I started out writing YA, I naturally didn't want to include anything even remotely explicit. (In any case, Amazon doesn't allow indie authors to do include that kind of thing with underage characters.)

Different Lee is NA, and the main character is clearly sexually active, but the sex is not actually portrayed, in part because I wanted to keep the book in a range that would still be appropriate for teenagers. Having taught high school for 36 years, I can't help seeing teenagers as part of my audience. I can imagine situations in which the sex would need to be portrayed, but I'll probably not set up a novel that requires that.

Thanks Bill, for explaining how you've handled sex scenes. Ever since Fifty Shades, I felt like it was a must, but I'm learning differently. In fact, a couple of the authors in my critique group use to write sex scenes and pretty much softened those up over time. I wonder if the trend is veering away from that now.

I've been busy today baking pumpkin cookies. I prefer those over pie. May everyone find some peace, comfort and blessings over the holiday.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 23, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Thanks Bill, for explaining how you've handled sex scenes. Ever since Fifty Shades, I felt like it was a must, but I'm learning differently. In fact, a couple of the authors in my critique group use to write sex scenes and pretty much softened those up over time. I wonder if the trend is veering away from that now.

I've been busy today baking pumpkin cookies. I prefer those over pie. May everyone find some peace, comfort and blessings over the holiday.
It's really only ever been a must if you write erotica or some of the steamier romance subgenres. There are also times when an author might deem it necessary in a particular context, but that's always the author's call, never a requirement.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 24, 2016, 06:24:53 AM
Happy Thanksgiving!

Status update: No promos for the last couple of dates, but a trickle of sales, split between Different Lee and my other books. I must say I was flattered to have gotten four sales so far on Thanksgiving, a day when I usually get zero.

For the first time, one of my other books (the highest selling among them) has appeared in the Also Boughts for Different Lee (page nine out of thirteen).

That could be a good sign, either meaning my original fans are starting to find DL, or my DL fans are starting to find the other books. Twenty days out, and Amazon still hasn't sent the new release email to my hundreds of Amazon followers. (Generally, it produces zero sales anyway, but I was curious to see what the result would be this time.)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 24, 2016, 06:45:31 AM
Happy Thanksgiving!

Status update: No promos for the last couple of dates, but a trickle of sales, split between Different Lee and my other books. I must say I was flattered to have gotten four sales so far on Thanksgiving, a day when I usually get zero.

For the first time, one of my other books (the highest selling among them) has appeared in the Also Boughts for Different Lee (page nine out of thirteen).

That could be a good sign, either meaning my original fans are starting to find DL, or my DL fans are starting to find the other books. Twenty days out, and Amazon still hasn't sent the new release email to my hundreds of Amazon followers. (Generally, it produces zero sales anyway, but I was curious to see what the result would be this time.)

Yesterday I pressed the Amazon "Follow" button to be notified when you have new releases and I did receive an email yesterday with two authors who had new books out, and you were one.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 24, 2016, 07:42:21 AM
Happy Thanksgiving!

Status update: No promos for the last couple of dates, but a trickle of sales, split between Different Lee and my other books. I must say I was flattered to have gotten four sales so far on Thanksgiving, a day when I usually get zero.

For the first time, one of my other books (the highest selling among them) has appeared in the Also Boughts for Different Lee (page nine out of thirteen).

That could be a good sign, either meaning my original fans are starting to find DL, or my DL fans are starting to find the other books. Twenty days out, and Amazon still hasn't sent the new release email to my hundreds of Amazon followers. (Generally, it produces zero sales anyway, but I was curious to see what the result would be this time.)
From a reader's perspective; maybe enough time has passed for your new readers to have bought and read DL and enjoyed it so bought the first book in your series. I know I've done something similar after discovering a new author :-)

Woo got another preorder!  Now up to a grand total of 4 :-P

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: MelanieCellier on November 25, 2016, 12:28:43 AM
It took 18 days for me to get a new release notification from Amazon for my last release (the release before that never got one at all). And a friend who followed me told me she got a notification the day after I got mine so I'm wondering if they've started staggering the notifications.

Out of curiosity Bill, how do you know how many followers you have? (Or was that a tongue in cheek comment :))
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 25, 2016, 05:03:39 AM
Hello, all, I'm excited that War of the Worlds: Retaliation already has 13 preorders, and it hasn't been a week yet! I plan on figuring out how to let my nominators know this weekend, so hopefully I'll have an awesome launch in January.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXNDEQL
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 05:24:29 AM
It took 18 days for me to get a new release notification from Amazon for my last release (the release before that never got one at all). And a friend who followed me told me she got a notification the day after I got mine so I'm wondering if they've started staggering the notifications.

Out of curiosity Bill, how do you know how many followers you have? (Or was that a tongue in cheek comment :))
One of the bad parts about the system is that you can't really know how many followers you have. I can get a rough count of how many people followed me at one time from the number of entries in my Amazon giveaways (and that does run into the hundreds, maybe even low thousands). I don't know how many of them stick, and I don't know how many of them open the emails, what the click rate is, etc. If Amazon wants us to take the program seriously, we need to have a little more data.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 05:28:17 AM
Yesterday I pressed the Amazon "Follow" button to be notified when you have new releases and I did receive an email yesterday with two authors who had new books out, and you were one.
That's interesting. I follow myself so I can see when Amazon sends out the email, and I don't think I ever got one. If, however, one came out in the last couple of days, that could explain the Thanksgiving "miracle" (15 sales, 12 of them DL). If that were the case, it would make me reevaluate the value of Amazon follows, because those emails haven't produced an uptick before.

Do you recall what the subject line was? Maybe I'm just missing the email as I scan. I'm trying to figure out when it would have been released.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 05:31:03 AM
From a reader's perspective; maybe enough time has passed for your new readers to have bought and read DL and enjoyed it so bought the first book in your series. I know I've done something similar after discovering a new author :-)

Woo got another preorder!  Now up to a grand total of 4 :-P

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That's what I'm hoping is happening, and it has been enough time for early buyers to have read the book.

From what I can tell, preorders come slowly, except for really big name indies. (A lot of people over on the KDP forums see them just trickle in at best.) In that context, 4 is probably pretty good.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 05:33:00 AM
Hello, all, I'm excited that War of the Worlds: Retaliation already has 13 preorders, and it hasn't been a week yet! I plan on figuring out how to let my nominators know this weekend, so hopefully I'll have an awesome launch in January.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXNDEQL
I just preordered.

13 before your nominators even know? That's extremely good!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 25, 2016, 05:44:15 AM
I just preordered.

13 before your nominators even know? That's extremely good!
Thanks for the preorder, Bill. The audiobook is on schedule for a January 30th release. I'll be launching the kickstarter campaign to raise the funds for the hard cover production after the weekend.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 05:45:41 AM
Status update: Book Raid gave me a refund because their ad for me didn't generate enough clicks (12). I hadn't looked at the fine print and didn't know they'd do that, but that makes them a relatively low-risk promoter. However, the interesting thing is that during the two days I was told to watch for sales based on their promo, I had exactly 12. Now I know they probably didn't all come from that  source, but it appears to me the clicks I got may have produced an atypically high conversion rate.

I've already referred to the unusually high sales on Thanksgiving (15, 12 of them from DL). If, as Kay suggests, the notification went out to my Amazon followers recently, that could be the reason. About half of the sales came in before people would have sat down for Thanksgiving dinner, the half long after it was over, with a freeze midway that probably indicates most people weren't sitting at dinner and buying books on their cell phone. (At least, let's hope they weren't.)

Hmmm... I got another sale just during the time I was typing this. Black Friday usually isn't a good day for sales, either, but we will see...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 05:51:34 AM
Thanks for the preorder, Bill. The audiobook is on schedule for a January 30th release. I'll be launching the kickstarter campaign to raise the funds for the hard cover production after the weekend.
Be sure to send us the link. It's been a while since I've donated to a good kickstarter. I used to do those indie movie kickstarters a lot, particularly the fantasy ones, but they never ended up going anywhere. The only one I backed that did was the Veronica Mars movie, and that was sort of fated to succeed. The original cast of the TV series couldn't get Warner Brothers to make a movie, but they all wanted to do one, so they got Warner Brothers to agree to license the film rights  to them (in exchange for make Warner the distributor if the movie actually got made). With reasonably well-known actors pitching the kickstarter, I think it raised something like three times their target amount. I'm pretty sure it was a passion project for them and that they didn't take their normal salaries, though I think it did OK at the box office, so they probably made out all right financially, too.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 25, 2016, 06:10:57 AM
Be sure to send us the link. It's been a while since I've donated to a good kickstarter. I used to do those indie movie kickstarters a lot, particularly the fantasy ones, but they never ended up going anywhere.

I can appreciate that. The good news is that the only thing that will stop the hard cover from being made will be if the kickstarter fails to raise the $300. The paperback and eBook are already done, and the hardcover dust jacket is already done. The KS is for the ISBN, setup fees, and the interior formatting. All I really need to do for the KS is record the video to accompany the campaign.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 25, 2016, 06:23:38 AM
That's interesting. I follow myself so I can see when Amazon sends out the email, and I don't think I ever got one. If, however, one came out in the last couple of days, that could explain the Thanksgiving "miracle" (15 sales, 12 of them DL). If that were the case, it would make me reevaluate the value of Amazon follows, because those emails haven't produced an uptick before.

Do you recall what the subject line was? Maybe I'm just missing the email as I scan. I'm trying to figure out when it would have been released.

I saved the email. It says "Kay Ling, you have two new updates from Amazon."

 If you want to PM me your email, I'll forward it to you.

Since I just began following you, I don't think you can draw any conclusions as to when the rest of your followers received the notification. They should have received it a while ago.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 25, 2016, 06:47:46 AM
Be sure to send us the link.
Here's the preview link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1012144245/1145248984?token=bccb946d

I'm only waiting on the video and confirmation from Julie about the Bards and Sages issues. I'll do the video today or tomorrow, and if Julie doesn't get back to me, I'll remove the references to Bards and Sages and submit on Monday.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 25, 2016, 08:41:46 AM
That's what I'm hoping is happening, and it has been enough time for early buyers to have read the book.

From what I can tell, preorders come slowly, except for really big name indies. (A lot of people over on the KDP forums see them just trickle in at best.) In that context, 4 is probably pretty good.
The preorder has served it's purpose anyway! I have promos booked for during the first two weeks of release!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LoriDRV on November 25, 2016, 08:57:49 AM
Hi Guys - I hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

I don't know if anyone is interested, but just in case, I wanted to mention that today is the last day my memoir will be free. That will take all but an afternoon to read, since it's just a few short stories. My novel will be .99 cents through Sunday. I put both links on my blog. I can't figure out how to put my other book below in the signature.
https://loreezlane.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/last-day-is-today/

I am so backlogged on reading, but I am reading books from all my online friends. It's just slow going.

I'm still working on my CreateSpace version of Whit's End. This being a holiday week, it's been more difficult to find the time. I finally did get the okay for the interior formatting, but struggling with the book cover dimensions. I put the pictures together for it, and my husband is the one working on the format for CreateSpace.

Question about CreateSpace for you. Can you buy the book for cheaper than you price it at, since you're the author? I mean, you know, for cost? (Don't know if this question makes sense).

Have a great rest of the weekend, Lori



Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 25, 2016, 09:12:57 AM
Hi Guys - I hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

I don't know if anyone is interested, but just in case, I wanted to mention that today is the last day my memoir will be free. That will take all but an afternoon to read, since it's just a few short stories. My novel will be .99 cents through Sunday. I put both links on my blog. I can't figure out how to put my other book below in the signature.
https://loreezlane.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/last-day-is-today/

I am so backlogged on reading, but I am reading books from all my online friends. It's just slow going.

I'm still working on my CreateSpace version of Whit's End. This being a holiday week, it's been more difficult to find the time. I finally did get the okay for the interior formatting, but struggling with the book cover dimensions. I put the pictures together for it, and my husband is the one working on the format for CreateSpace.

Question about CreateSpace for you. Can you buy the book for cheaper than you price it at, since you're the author? I mean, you know, for cost? (Don't know if this question makes sense).

Have a great rest of the weekend, Lori

Yes. You can order books at cost from Createspace. I recently ordered a box of ten. You don't get royalties obviously at this price, and you don't get sales credit as you would for a retail purchase through Amazon.

I'll mention a potentially useful strategy. If there's someone I know and trust who wants to buy a paperback from me because they prefer "real books" to eBooks, I give them a discount equal to or greater than the price of the Kindle version on the condition that they purchase the eBook. This way they end up with both versions for the same price as just the paperback, and I have a verified sale.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 10:03:41 AM
Here's the preview link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1012144245/1145248984?token=bccb946d

I'm only waiting on the video and confirmation from Julie about the Bards and Sages issues. I'll do the video today or tomorrow, and if Julie doesn't get back to me, I'll remove the references to Bards and Sages and submit on Monday.
I'll be poised to donate!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 10:09:57 AM
I saved the email. It says "Kay Ling, you have two new updates from Amazon."

 If you want to PM me your email, I'll forward it to you.

Since I just began following you, I don't think you can draw any conclusions as to when the rest of your followers received the notification. They should have received it a while ago.
Using the subject line you got, I was able to search and find the original email from November 19. Unfortunately, since that was the day of my Booksends promo, I can't easily tell whether the new release email had any real impact or not, especially since the booksends promos have a reputation of doing very well on their own. Nor does that explain the Thanksgiving spike. :-\ Oh, well, another mystery I may not be able to solve. I will note, however, that the message is even blander than it used to be. Now it's just "Bill Hiatt released" followed by the name of the book and a cover image. You'd better hope your cover image is good, because the rest of the announcement is about as unexciting as it could get.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 10:14:46 AM
The preorder has served it's purpose anyway! I have promos booked for during the first two weeks of release!

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Yes, that's an advantage people don't always realize: the preorder creates an ASIN, which means you can start booking promos.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 25, 2016, 10:17:51 AM
I am so backlogged on reading, but I am reading books from all my online friends. It's just slow going.
As my former students would say, "OMG!" We're probably all in the same boat. I only get a few pages a day done. Somehow, I have four different projects going at the same time. In the past, i've seldom had more than one.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 26, 2016, 07:55:32 AM
Status update: no new promos until tomorrow, but I sold ten books on Black Friday--not quite as odd as the 15 on Thanksgiving, but still more than the zero I usually move on a day like that. I'd like to think it's momentum. We'll see.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 26, 2016, 05:49:56 PM
Status update: no new promos until tomorrow, but I sold ten books on Black Friday--not quite as odd as the 15 on Thanksgiving, but still more than the zero I usually move on a day like that. I'd like to think it's momentum. We'll see.

Good job! I was just reading that December isn't a great month for sales but January is excellent. I should probably concentrate my promos in January. I'm planning to do a Kindle count-down and that would be a good time. Have you ever done one of those?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 26, 2016, 07:29:47 PM
Good job! I was just reading that December isn't a great month for sales but January is excellent. I should probably concentrate my promos in January. I'm planning to do a Kindle count-down and that would be a good time. Have you ever done one of those?


I have done several countdowns in the past, but it has been a while. It was my experience that if your book is already selling well, then you get priority of placement on the first page; therefore you do very well. But if your book's rank is not high, then you get stuck on page 17 or 30 or worse, and the potential customers don't bother to go past page 10 or so.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 27, 2016, 06:20:41 AM
Good job! I was just reading that December isn't a great month for sales but January is excellent. I should probably concentrate my promos in January. I'm planning to do a Kindle count-down and that would be a good time. Have you ever done one of those?
It's been a while. I tried one when they first started and moved a significant number of books, but my subsequent efforts barely moved the needle. That may partly be the effect Ruth is talking about. It's partly also a consequence of the fact that a lot more people are doing them than were in the beginning.

December is slower, at least for ebooks. January last year was my best month up until this one. I had twice as many KU pages read as any other month (people using their thirty day free trial subscriptions would be my guess), and very healthy sales as well, probably double the norm for that point in my career. People were looking for things to put on their new Kindles are other new devices.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 06:29:15 AM
It's been a while. I tried one when they first started and moved a significant number of books, but my subsequent efforts barely moved the needle. That may partly be the effect Ruth is talking about. It's partly also a consequence of the fact that a lot more people are doing them than were in the beginning.

December is slower, at least for ebooks. January last year was my best month up until this one. I had twice as many KU pages read as any other month (people using their thirty day free trial subscriptions would be my guess), and very healthy sales as well, probably double the norm for that point in my career. People were looking for things to put on their new Kindles are other new devices.

The January effect makes sense based on your explanation of people getting ereaders for Christmas. And possibly Amazon gift cards. So it would be wise to improve my sales rank in December in hopes anyone finds me in January. A rep from ManyReads contacted me through my website contact page offering me a spot in their newsletter for $19 rather than the standard $25 if I do it in the near future. The problem is I'd need to do a price reduction of at least half price. If I can only do one countdown deal per 90 days, (and I think you can't reduce the price for 30 days before or 14 days afterward), I need to run the countdown at an advantageous time. I don't want to squander my limited promo opportunities. I'm open to suggestions and guidance.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 27, 2016, 07:53:13 AM
The January effect makes sense based on your explanation of people getting ereaders for Christmas. And possibly Amazon gift cards. So it would be wise to improve my sales rank in December in hopes anyone finds me in January. A rep from ManyReads contacted me through my website contact page offering me a spot in their newsletter for $19 rather than the standard $25 if I do it in the near future. The problem is I'd need to do a price reduction of at least half price. If I can only do one countdown deal per 90 days, (and I think you can't reduce the price for 30 days before or 14 days afterward), I need to run the countdown at an advantageous time. I don't want to squander my limited promo opportunities. I'm open to suggestions and guidance.
It's unfortunate that the book promotion industry has become so focused on price reductions. But that's actually another reason I stopped doing countdowns: it's hard to get all the promoters into the same five-day range if you want to stack promotions. The ideal pattern I'm thinking for maintaining a rank rather than just hitting a high point and then plummeting would be one promotion a day, but countdown deals aren't designed for that. These days I just lower the price when I need to for a promotion without worrying about countdowns. That way I can schedule promotions more efficiently. If Amazon promoted countdowns like crazy it might be different, but they don't.

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 08:29:13 AM
It's unfortunate that the book promotion industry has become so focused on price reductions. But that's actually another reason I stopped doing countdowns: it's hard to get all the promoters into the same five-day range if you want to stack promotions. The ideal pattern I'm thinking for maintaining a rank rather than just hitting a high point and then plummeting would be one promotion a day, but countdown deals aren't designed for that. These days I just lower the price when I need to for a promotion without worrying about countdowns. That way I can schedule promotions more efficiently. If Amazon promoted countdowns like crazy it might be different, but they don't.

I think the countdown goes for seven days and can't be split up, whereas the free days are five days that can be used individually or strung together. The issue I'm dealing with, and I'm not sure I understand exactly how this works, is the issue of royalty payments. At $3.99 I'm in the 70% royalty category, which I retain during the countdown deal, although it will be 70% of the discounted price.

While I'm in Select I can't keep changing my price, right? Only once in 90 days? Someone else told me I can, as long as I reset my royalty rate to 35%. I have no idea if that's true. All these rules and exceptions confuse me.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: amyates on November 27, 2016, 09:28:43 AM
*Waves* Thanks to OP for starting this thread! I've been reading through and am I happy to see so many fellow Scouters here. My campaign ended last December. I've since released it and set it permafree. (I have the other two books in the series written and published.)

Concerning launch... all I can say is that when I published this summer, I sent out a ton of ARCs and did Netgalley fora  month. But as is obvious, I've only garnered 10 reviews on Amazon. There are surely many reasons for this, but my only thought on it at the moment is that I focused quite a bit on YA book bloggers, many of whom are actual teens. While most left reviews on their blogs and on goodreads, many were unable to leave reviews on Amazon (because they didn't have credit cards/accounts/never purchased.) So, lesson learned on my end. While it was great to have their enthusiasm and to have them spreading the word to their friends, I probably would've been better off spending the money on a big ad campaign. Just my two cents.

Cheers! 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 27, 2016, 09:34:59 AM
Hello, everyone! hopefully you remember that I ran a Kindle Scout campaign for War of the Worlds: Retaliation. In order to get a hardcover done, I pulled the trigger on a Kickstarter campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1012144245/war-of-the-worlds-retaliation-hardcover

I'm not asking anyone here to pledge, although that would be cool, but what John and I really need is exposure. Please tweet, Facebook, blog, or any other social media networks you like. There are only 16 days left in the campaign. I'm going to post this to the other Kindle Scout thread that we all frequent.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 09:39:36 AM
*Waves* Thanks to OP for starting this thread! I've been reading through and am I happy to see so many fellow Scouters here. My campaign ended last December. I've since released it and set it permafree. (I have the other two books in the series written and published.)

Concerning launch... all I can say is that when I published this summer, I sent out a ton of ARCs and did Netgalley fora  month. But as is obvious, I've only garnered 10 reviews on Amazon. There are surely many reasons for this, but my only thought on it at the moment is that I focused quite a bit on YA book bloggers, many of whom are actual teens. While most left reviews on their blogs and on goodreads, many were unable to leave reviews on Amazon (because they didn't have credit cards/accounts/never purchased.) So, lesson learned on my end. While it was great to have their enthusiasm and to have them spreading the word to their friends, I probably would've been better off spending the money on a big ad campaign. Just my two cents.

Cheers!

Hello and welcome! Please pull up a chair and stick around. Thanks for your insights. I wouldn't have thought about bloggers being teenagers, much less teenagers without Amazon accounts. Yikes! It sounds like you put in a great deal of effort for less than optimal results. I hope the word-of-mouth exposure through the bloggers and their readers won you some sales, if not a lot of reviews.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 09:42:45 AM
Hello, everyone! hopefully you remember that I ran a Kindle Scout campaign for War of the Worlds: Retaliation. In order to get a hardcover done, I pulled the trigger on a Kickstarter campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1012144245/war-of-the-worlds-retaliation-hardcover

I'm not asking anyone here to pledge, although that would be cool, but what John and I really need is exposure. Please tweet, Facebook, blog, or any other social media networks you like. There are only 16 days left in the campaign. I'm going to post this to the other Kindle Scout thread that we all frequent.

Best of luck to you. I'd be happy to retweet or share occasional posts. My friends are still recovering from my KS campaign so I try not to bombard them with too many book-related posts, lol.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: amyates on November 27, 2016, 09:49:16 AM
Hello and welcome! Please pull up a chair and stick around. Thanks for your insights. I wouldn't have thought about bloggers being teenagers, much less teenagers without Amazon accounts. Yikes! It sounds like you put in a great deal of effort for less than optimal results. I hope the word-of-mouth exposure through the bloggers and their readers won you some sales, if not a lot of reviews.

Thanks, Kay! It was less than optimal, but I have a policy of trying everything I can to see what sticks. Teen bloggers, not so much. :D But on the other hand, they are some of my most engaged and vocal readers. They post my books to social media probably more than I do! So, there is that. :)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 27, 2016, 10:02:16 AM
Best of luck to you. I'd be happy to retweet or share occasional posts. My friends are still recovering from my KS campaign so I try not to bombard them with too many book-related posts, lol.
Thanks, Kay. Every little bit helps, right?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 27, 2016, 10:34:02 AM
Hello, everyone! hopefully you remember that I ran a Kindle Scout campaign for War of the Worlds: Retaliation. In order to get a hardcover done, I pulled the trigger on a Kickstarter campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1012144245/war-of-the-worlds-retaliation-hardcover

I'm not asking anyone here to pledge, although that would be cool, but what John and I really need is exposure. Please tweet, Facebook, blog, or any other social media networks you like. There are only 16 days left in the campaign. I'm going to post this to the other Kindle Scout thread that we all frequent.
Donated, tweeted, and posted.  ;D
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 27, 2016, 10:36:13 AM
I think the countdown goes for seven days and can't be split up, whereas the free days are five days that can be used individually or strung together. The issue I'm dealing with, and I'm not sure I understand exactly how this works, is the issue of royalty payments. At $3.99 I'm in the 70% royalty category, which I retain during the countdown deal, although it will be 70% of the discounted price.

While I'm in Select I can't keep changing my price, right? Only once in 90 days? Someone else told me I can, as long as I reset my royalty rate to 35%. I have no idea if that's true. All these rules and exceptions confuse me.
Yes, the advantage of countdown deals is that you retain the 70% royalty.

I'm not aware of any restriction on changing the price of a book while you're in Select, but yes, you do need to change the royalty to 35% if you go below $2.99.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 27, 2016, 10:43:04 AM
Thanks, Kay! It was less than optimal, but I have a policy of trying everything I can to see what sticks. Teen bloggers, not so much. :D But on the other hand, they are some of my most engaged and vocal readers. They post my books to social media probably more than I do! So, there is that. :)
A teenage blogger with a following might do more good in the long run than an Amazon review. Of course, it would be nice to have both!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 27, 2016, 10:50:30 AM
Donated, tweeted, and posted.  ;D
thanks, Bill, you rock!
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Marie Clapsaddle on November 27, 2016, 11:55:25 AM
Hello, everyone! hopefully you remember that I ran a Kindle Scout campaign for War of the Worlds: Retaliation. In order to get a hardcover done, I pulled the trigger on a Kickstarter campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1012144245/war-of-the-worlds-retaliation-hardcover

I'm not asking anyone here to pledge, although that would be cool, but what John and I really need is exposure. Please tweet, Facebook, blog, or any other social media networks you like. There are only 16 days left in the campaign. I'm going to post this to the other Kindle Scout thread that we all frequent.

Tweeted. Good luck, Mark!



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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 12:38:47 PM
Yes, the advantage of countdown deals is that you retain the 70% royalty.

I'm not aware of any restriction on changing the price of a book while you're in Select, but yes, you do need to change the royalty to 35% if you go below $2.99.

So if I understand you correctly, I can reduce my price to .99 of 1.99 for a day or two whenever I like to run a promotion, as long as I reduce the royalty rate to 35%? If so, what about the stipulation that in Select I can't reduce the price for 30 days before or 14 days after running a promo. I'm confused.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 27, 2016, 01:02:11 PM
So if I understand you correctly, I can reduce my price to .99 of 1.99 for a day or two whenever I like to run a promotion, as long as I reduce the royalty rate to 35%? If so, what about the stipulation that in Select I can't reduce the price for 30 days before or 14 days after running a promo. I'm confused.


You don't have to change the royalty rate when you have a countdown deal. They give you your 75 cents and keep the quarter.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: MelanieCellier on November 27, 2016, 01:12:48 PM
So if I understand you correctly, I can reduce my price to .99 of 1.99 for a day or two whenever I like to run a promotion, as long as I reduce the royalty rate to 35%? If so, what about the stipulation that in Select I can't reduce the price for 30 days before or 14 days after running a promo. I'm confused.

Yes, if you're willing to take the lower royalty, you can reduce your price to as low as 99c whenever you want as long as you're not planning to run a countdown deal. The 30 days before and 14 days after applies only to countdown deals and not to any other promos (i.e. free or manual price reductions). This is because during your countdown deal, Amazon is advertising (on your product page) that the reduced price is a limited time opportunity so they don't want it to have been cheaper the day before or the day after as well.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 27, 2016, 01:18:17 PM
I take that back, Kay. I checked on my past countdown deals and found that I made 64 cents on each 99 cent sale, but I didn't change my royalty rate. I guess they do that automatically. All I did was sign up for the number of hours I wanted, the dates, and the price increments. They did the rest.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 27, 2016, 01:21:58 PM
Tweeted. Good luck, Mark!
Thanks Marie!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: MelanieCellier on November 27, 2016, 01:22:41 PM
I take that back, Kay. I checked on my past countdown deals and found that I made 64 cents on each 99 cent sale, but I didn't change my royalty rate. I guess they do that automatically. All I did was sign up for the number of hours I wanted, the dates, and the price increments. They did the rest.

Sadly, 64c is the 70% royalty rate because at the 70% rate they take out a delivery fee (which is a lot less noticeable at a 3.99 price point than a 99c one). At least at the 35% rate they don't take a delivery fee.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 01:23:58 PM

You don't have to change the royalty rate when you have a countdown deal. They give you your 75 cents and keep the quarter.


I understand how the countdown works and rotyalties associated with the countdown deal, the part I'm not sure about is what other types of discounts I can do as part of Select without violating their guidelines.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 01:29:57 PM
Yes, if you're willing to take the lower royalty, you can reduce your price to as low as 99c whenever you want as long as you're not planning to run a countdown deal. The 30 days before and 14 days after applies only to countdown deals and not to any other promos (i.e. free or manual price reductions). This is because during your countdown deal, Amazon is advertising (on your product page) that the reduced price is a limited time opportunity so they don't want it to have been cheaper the day before or the day after as well.

Thanks. This explanation seems to target my issue. If I'm planning to do a countdown deal, which I am, then I can't discount my book at random times whenever I want. I can't run a discount now, or I'll violate the 30-day before rule. After the countdown, I can wait at least 14 days and then I can reduce the price and my royalty rate for a .99 or 1.99 discount.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 27, 2016, 01:40:12 PM
Sadly, 64c is the 70% royalty rate because at the 70% rate they take out a delivery fee (which is a lot less noticeable at a 3.99 price point than a 99c one). At least at the 35% rate they don't take a delivery fee.

Yes, you're right, Melanie. They do give you the 70 percent rate on a countdown deal, then take a delivery fee. I remember that now.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: romance2die4 on November 27, 2016, 01:51:31 PM
I have been considering Kindle Scout, but I swing back and forth on going for it. If I did submit my current WIP, I wouldn't want to go crazy trying to get people to nominate me. I have read on this thread how stressful it can be. My assumption is that if I were to go to through the process, I would be rejected since I suck at promoting myself. Is there a benefit to going through it? Did it do anything for you at all? I would love to hear any advice from those of you who have been through the process. I write contemporary romance.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 02:02:15 PM
I have been considering Kindle Scout, but I swing back and forth on going for it. If I did submit my current WIP, I wouldn't want to go crazy trying to get people to nominate me. I have read on this thread how stressful it can be. My assumption is that if I were to go to through the process, I would be rejected since I suck at promoting myself. Is there a benefit to going through it? Did it do anything for you at all? I would love to hear any advice from those of you who have been through the process. I write contemporary romance.

Promotion is less important than most participants care to believe. It's good to learn how to market your book, because you'll need to do that to some degree whether or not you're accepted. If your book is what the editors are looking for, they'll take it no matter how few hours you spent in hot and trending and how few page views you have. Opinions on how much help KS was for our book launches varies widely. Most of the people I PMed after their launches said they felt it had been little help, but a few people report increased sales. It certainly can't hurt to run a campaign since the worst case scenario is you "waste" 45 days. 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: romance2die4 on November 27, 2016, 02:12:37 PM
Promotion is less important than most participants care to believe. It's good to learn how to market your book, because you'll need to do that to some degree whether or not you're accepted. If your book is what the editors are looking for, they'll take it no matter how few hours you spent in hot and trending and how few page views you have. Opinions on how much help KS was for our book launches varies widely. Most of the people I PMed after their launches said they felt it had been little help, but a few people report increased sales. It certainly can't hurt to run a campaign since the worst case scenario is you "waste" 45 days.

Good to know. Other than announcing to everyone you can that you are on Kindle Scout, did you do any pre-launch promotion? It seems like that would be hard with the uncertainty of not knowing whether KS would accept you or not.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 27, 2016, 02:26:41 PM
I'm totally stoked! I got the prologue of War of the Worlds: Retaliation back from the narrator today:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/wotw2-audiobook-b.jpg?w=250) (https://soundcloud.com/article94/war-of-the-worlds-retalition-prologue)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 02:29:54 PM
Good to know. Other than announcing to everyone you can that you are on Kindle Scout, did you do any pre-launch promotion? It seems like that would be hard with the uncertainty of not knowing whether KS would accept you or not.

If you mean you're not sure your campaign will be accepted to run, you needn't worry. As long as your book isn't plagiarized or porn or something, it will be accepted. If you mean it's hard because you don't know if your book will be accepted at the end of your campaign, and you'll be embarrrased, don't worry about that. I told people upfront that as with all publishers, Amazon Press only accepts a tiny fraction of the submissions. There's no shame in not being accepted.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 02:30:33 PM
I'm totally stoked! I got the prologue of War of the Worlds: Retaliation back from the narrator today:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/wotw2-audiobook-b.jpg?w=250) (https://soundcloud.com/article94/war-of-the-worlds-retalition-prologue)

Very cool!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 27, 2016, 02:37:55 PM
Very cool!
Didja listen? It's only 15 minutes...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 02:43:01 PM
Didja listen? It's only 15 minutes...

Yes the narrator has a really pleasant voice. How did you select the narrator? Did a few audition?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Evenstar on November 27, 2016, 03:16:20 PM
Hi  all,
I thought I'd add my story (to date) in the hope that it's useful to somebody somewhere.

So I submitted a book to kindle scout under a new pen name in a new genre. But having already been a published author for three years I have a decent sized mailing list, which I plundered mercilessly. I sent my book details out to 100 people a day throughout the campaign and stayed in Hot and Trending pretty much throughout. But the book still wasn't accepted.

I wasn't upset that I didnt get selected (apart from the total stress exhaustion of checking the campaign every hour) but I was really confused because my stats were so good. So I asked a select group of successful authors what they thought happened. The feedback was loud and clear: I had missed the genre tropes with my title and cover. Totally missed it!

So, kindle scout was a bad experience, one I don't want to repeat - but it did show me something I would have completely missed if I had done it on my own. The fact that something was wrong!

So, I've rebranded it, and retitled it, and have just stuck it up for pre-order and lo and behold, even without using my mailing list it is now climbing fast!

So, I have to thank the KS programme for helping me to see that it needed changing before it could work. They rejected it and they were right!

Now, I'm much happier that I'm way more on the nail for Urban Fantasy, and feel so much more confident than I would have done about it than if I'd just written it and hit publish.

What you can take from that is that the stats make no difference, but you really can learn something from the experience.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51m8teB2etL._SL160_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1GBMDG/?tag=kbpst-20)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 27, 2016, 03:36:29 PM
Yes the narrator has a really pleasant voice. How did you select the narrator? Did a few audition?
The audition was only open for a week. I got 23 auditions. Of those, 15 didn't follow the audition instructions, and were immediately discarded. Another four, I didn't care for their accents, and I chose Mark Isham out of the remaining four. I'll likely get my second choice to narrate the Sixteen Sunsets Saga.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: TiffanyNicole on November 27, 2016, 03:55:47 PM
Hi  all,
I thought I'd add my story (to date) in the hope that it's useful to somebody somewhere.

So I submitted a book to kindle scout under a new pen name in a new genre. But having already been a published author for three years I have a decent sized mailing list, which I plundered mercilessly. I sent my book details out to 100 people a day throughout the campaign and stayed in Hot and Trending pretty much throughout. But the book still wasn't accepted.

I wasn't upset that I didnt get selected (apart from the total stress exhaustion of checking the campaign every hour) but I was really confused because my stats were so good. So I asked a select group of successful authors what they thought happened. The feedback was loud and clear: I had missed the genre tropes with my title and cover. Totally missed it!

So, kindle scout was a bad experience, one I don't want to repeat - but it did show me something I would have completely missed if I had done it on my own. The fact that something was wrong!

So, I've rebranded it, and retitled it, and have just stuck it up for pre-order and lo and behold, even without using my mailing list it is now climbing fast!

So, I have to thank the KS programme for helping me to see that it needed changing before it could work. They rejected it and they were right!

Now, I'm much happier that I'm way more on the nail for Urban Fantasy, and feel so much more confident than I would have done about it than if I'd just written it and hit publish.

What you can take from that is that the stats make no difference, but you really can learn something from the experience.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51m8teB2etL._SL160_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1GBMDG/?tag=kbpst-20)

This is great Evenstar! Your new cover definitely hits the genre nail on the head.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 27, 2016, 04:31:44 PM
The audition was only open for a week. I got 23 auditions. Of those, 15 didn't follow the audition instructions, and were immediately discarded. Another four, I didn't care for their accents, and I chose Mark Isham out of the remaining four. I'll likely get my second choice to narrate the Sixteen Sunsets Saga.

This narrator has good intonation and is expressive without being over-the-top. Good choice. I'm curious. What kind of instructions did you give that more than half were too dense to follow?

BTW, I got business cards and posters with my new, improved cover, and they look great.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 27, 2016, 05:26:23 PM
This narrator has good intonation and is expressive without being over-the-top. Good choice. I'm curious. What kind of instructions did you give that more than half were too dense to follow?

BTW, I got business cards and posters with my new, improved cover, and they look great.
I instructed the narrators to do a bit of research on each character that was in the audition so that their accents could be accurate, and subtle. I also instructed the narrator to come up with their own pronounciation of the martian names, and finally to have all auditions submitted by a certain time. I also explicitly stated that this would be a royalty share only, and that union members need not apply (unions insist of a PFH charge.)
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Marie Clapsaddle on November 27, 2016, 05:51:12 PM
I'm totally stoked! I got the prologue of War of the Worlds: Retaliation back from the narrator today:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/wotw2-audiobook-b.jpg?w=250) (https://soundcloud.com/article94/war-of-the-worlds-retalition-prologue)

Just listened. This sounds great! I love the narrator's voice.



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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: romance2die4 on November 28, 2016, 01:07:04 AM
     
So, I have to thank the KS programme for helping me to see that it needed changing before it could work. They rejected it and they were right!

Now, I'm much happier that I'm way more on the nail for Urban Fantasy, and feel so much more confident than I would have done about it than if I'd just written it and hit publish.

What you can take from that is that the stats make no difference, but you really can learn something from the experience.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51m8teB2etL._SL160_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1GBMDG/?tag=kbpst-20)

I had not considered that it would allow you to see how people react to your book. It would take time, but in the long run it is probably worth it. That was a great idea to rebrand like that.  I am glad I saw your post. Thanks for sharing. :)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 28, 2016, 05:26:18 AM
Just listened. This sounds great! I love the narrator's voice.
Thanks, Marie!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 28, 2016, 06:15:28 AM
I had not considered that it would allow you to see how people react to your book. It would take time, but in the long run it is probably worth it. That was a great idea to rebrand like that.  I am glad I saw your post. Thanks for sharing. :)
Yes, the process is nice to see how people react to the book and offers the opportunity for self-reflection.

I would also like to second Kay's point. Lincoln Cole, one of the Scout-selected authors, keeps track of the stats people are willing to report to him, so he doesn't have a complete set, but he has reactions from a lot of people. Yes, the average and median results for selected book page views and hot and trending are higher than for non-selected ones, but there are several outliers on both sides. We've seen people who are hot and trending almost the whole time get rejected, and we've seen some who are seldom hot and trending get accepted. Campaign stats might be used by KS editors as a kind of tiebreaker, but the evidence suggests they are no more than that. If the editors find a book that wows them, they will pick it regardless of stats.

Kindle Scout exposure doesn't always contribute to a stronger launch if the book is not accepted, but I think it did in my case. My sales are far beyond what I've gotten on any new release, and, judging from the Also Boughts, come largely from a new set of readers, not from my existing fans. The campaign can be a way of reaching people you wouldn't ordinarily be able to reach.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 28, 2016, 06:30:41 AM
Status Update: Book Pebble promotion produced...a pebble. I got five sales yesterday, even though Different Lee was at the very top of the email. However, I've noticed that Sundays in general are my weakest days for sales. To be fair, Book Pebble is also a relatively small operation, but they are cheap and respond almost immediately.

Today is Books Machine, a last-minute addition. I've not ever done a promo with them before, so I'll be interested to see what happens. They advertise via mailing list, FB, and blog. Unfortunately, this is also a secondary blast from the Choosy Bookworm promo, so I won't be able to get an accurate feeling for which sales come from what. So it goes...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on November 28, 2016, 07:22:55 AM
Status Update: Book Pebble promotion produced...a pebble. I got five sales yesterday, even though Different Lee was at the very top of the email. However, I've noticed that Sundays in general are my weakest days for sales. To be fair, Book Pebble is also a relatively small operation, but they are cheap and respond almost immediately.

Today is Books Machine, a last-minute addition. I've not ever done a promo with them before, so I'll be interested to see what happens. They advertise via mailing list, FB, and blog. Unfortunately, this is also a secondary blast from the Choosy Bookworm promo, so I won't be able to get an accurate feeling for which sales come from what. So it goes...
Bill, I have 2 questions for you.
First, of all the promos you've used, which ones would you recommend. I've run about 3 promos so far in the last year and have tried quite a few places but always see the best results with Robin Reads, ENT and Bargain Booksy. And (so far) and increase in sales each time.
Second, in regards to Instafreebie, you said our hands our tied with Select. I'm sure there's a max wc we're allowed to use but what is it? I mean, can you give away the first chapter or two for free? And if you do use a short story for Instafreebie, do you need a cover for that as well?
Thanks
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 28, 2016, 07:48:37 AM
So it goes...
Gotta respect anyone that quotes Vonnegut!

Just letting everyone know that I've let my ugly baby out into the world. Warriors is now available for .99 http://a.co/24gZ0kP Feel free to pick up a copy and I hope you enjoy it!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 28, 2016, 08:33:19 AM
Author Francois, saw this and thought of you https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe_4DRriWZ1cs81fzJte_p4nqgQCMdXomhOcyfzGD7C11XHDQ/viewform

Hope it helps  :)
You know I submitted to this and received a response over the holiday weekend that my request was rejected. He used a bunch of scripted responses, but the only one I agreed with was my mailing list was too small.  :o

Think I will use InstaFreebie to build my mailing list.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 28, 2016, 09:27:33 AM
You know I submitted to this and received a response over the holiday weekend that my request was rejected. He used a bunch of scripted responses, but the only one I agreed with was my mailing list was too small.  :o

Think I will use InstaFreebie to build my mailing list.
I'm very sorry to hear that. But you know what they say, size doesn't matter amirite?  :D

Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 28, 2016, 01:54:51 PM
Bill, I have 2 questions for you.
First, of all the promos you've used, which ones would you recommend. I've run about 3 promos so far in the last year and have tried quite a few places but always see the best results with Robin Reads, ENT and Bargain Booksy. And (so far) and increase in sales each time.
Second, in regards to Instafreebie, you said our hands our tied with Select. I'm sure there's a max wc we're allowed to use but what is it? I mean, can you give away the first chapter or two for free? And if you do use a short story for Instafreebie, do you need a cover for that as well?
Thanks
Historically, I've had the best luck with ENT. My ENT promo for this book isn't until December 2, but I'm anticipating a good result when it does happen.

In the latest round of promos, the best results (approximate, since there could be random sales involved) were Bargain Booksy (53), Booksends (39), Ripley's Booklist (YA and NA only) (27), Choosy Bookworm (22), Sweet Free Books (13), Awesome Gang (12), Book Raid (12) Book Scream (11) Kboards Discovery (10). The last ones are worth mentioning because they're inexpensive. Booktastic only produced six sales, but I had a huge KU spike the same day that may or may not be coincidental. (Like so many other things, KU complicates evaluating the merit of a promo. I can see the same problem with Books Machine: few sales so far today, though more could come through, but KU pages read are higher today than at any point in the last few days, so some of that could be due to the promo.

I can't evaluate Betty Book Freak and Ebook Soda because their ads ran during the 2-star review incident, when everything dropped. Read Cheaply  and Price Dropped Books together brought in 11 sales, but they ran at the same time, so I don't know how to interpret those.

Free Kindle Books and Tips confirmed I'd submitted and said they'd get back to me but never did. :'(

Still to run (I'll report later): Genre Crave, ENT, Fussy Librarian, Books Butterfly, Kindle Book Review.

In the past I've also had good luck with Book Gorilla, but they book too far ahead to be practical for new releases. For some reason I didn't try Robin Reads, though I don't know why now.

With regard to the Instafreebie question, a sample less than or equal to the Look Inside falls within the rules.

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on November 28, 2016, 03:04:55 PM
Good luck Carey and other launchers! I'll be joining you soon...I hope. My kindle version of Wives of the Saints is ready to go for Dec. 1 but getting the print version out has been bumpier: the CreateSpace process is so primitive (supposedly no updates because of plans to merge it into KDP) and full of glitches, and having an ear infection with vertigo has not helped! Then I choose Cyber Monday to upload it. I ordered a proof but God only knows what it's going to look like! But I'll get there...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 28, 2016, 04:12:05 PM
I'm very sorry to hear that. But you know what they say, size doesn't matter amirite?  :D

Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?
Right!  8)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 28, 2016, 04:24:47 PM
I'm very sorry to hear that. But you know what they say, size doesn't matter amirite?  :D

Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?


Right. I'm sure Vonnegut said that too?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on November 28, 2016, 08:30:47 PM

Right. I'm sure Vonnegut said that too?
Bahahaha!!!! I'm sure he did in one of his earlier works!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 29, 2016, 11:36:41 AM
I discovered yesterday that my AMS ad had landed me a paperback sale. Yay! I'm still underwater but the ratios look better now with five eBook and one PB sale since I started the campaign on Nov 2nd. I also got another spike in KENP. I have no KENP most days, unfortunately, but I'm hoping that will change.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: lincolnjcole on November 29, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
I discovered yesterday that my AMS ad had landed me a paperback sale. Yay! I'm still underwater but the ratios look better now with five eBook and one PB sale since I started the campaign on Nov 2nd. I also got another spike in KENP. I have no KENP most days, unfortunately, but I'm hoping that will change.

Nice!

Paperback sales always catch me off guard! I never really expect them, so when I get one I'm like 'oh wow'.

KENP is good for me sometimes, but at other times it just stalls out and dies. Right now it isn't terrible, and I just wrapped up some major promos so hopefully it'll keep trickling in.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 29, 2016, 01:19:43 PM
Nice!

Paperback sales always catch me off guard! I never really expect them, so when I get one I'm like 'oh wow'.

KENP is good for me sometimes, but at other times it just stalls out and dies. Right now it isn't terrible, and I just wrapped up some major promos so hopefully it'll keep trickling in.

I'm not sure if this is what accounted for the last spike, but I joined the Kindle Unlimited FB group. You can post your book(s) there. No more than once a day, but once a day should be enough.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 29, 2016, 01:20:41 PM
So I took the plunge and started an instaFreebie Giveaway: https://www.instafreebie.com/free/vc5Up

Now to spread the word and build up some reviews and my email list...I hope.  ???
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 29, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
So I took the plunge and started an instaFreebie Giveaway: https://www.instafreebie.com/free/vc5Up

Now to spread the word and build up some reviews and my email list...I hope.  ???

Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: romance2die4 on November 30, 2016, 05:34:59 AM
So I took the plunge and started an instaFreebie Giveaway: https://www.instafreebie.com/free/vc5Up

Now to spread the word and build up some reviews and my email list...I hope.  ???

I like your cover. How are you marketing your Giveaway? I just started on Instafreebie, and I am in an advent calendar giveaway. It is nice because I share the marketing with 11 other authors and the sponser/blogger of the calendar http://brazenbookshelf.com/ (http://brazenbookshelf.com/). It will be interesting to see if I get any mailing list growth out of it. Otherwise, I am giving some copies away in appropriate FB groups. Have you seen the Instafreebie FB group? That might be of interest to you. That's where I stumbled across the calendar opportunity.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 30, 2016, 06:03:40 AM
I'm not sure if this is what accounted for the last spike, but I joined the Kindle Unlimited FB group. You can post your book(s) there. No more than once a day, but once a day should be enough.
Well, it certainly can't hurt.

As you get more books, the effects will multiply. If my experience is any guide, KU readers get through a series much faster than book buyers seem to do. I saw what appeared to be someone in France polishing off all six books in a week. Since my series books were coming out a year apart, it's inevitable that the early ones will always be ahead of the later ones in terms of sales, and they are in terms of KU pages as well, but the gap is much smaller, suggesting that KU readers are much faster and/or more likely to get to the end of the series.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 30, 2016, 06:14:19 AM
Status update: Books Machine netted 8 sales. There could have been more, but with another promo the very next day, it was be hard to tell. That promo, the first of a two-day with Books Butterfly, netted 11. It's worth noting that those two days had the highest KU figures, both overall and in terms of Different Lee specifically, than I've had since the book debuted, so the two promos could have generated more KU reads as well.

Twenty-five days out, and DL has hovered between 10,000-12,000 in the paid store (high of around 5,000. and low of 35,000 in the immediate aftermath of the two-star review). Between sales (245) and the equivalent of full reads in KU (about 60), DL has reached more than 300 people in the US market alone. I'm not sure if that's anywhere near enough to make the KS people think they made a mistake, but I'm happy with it.

Of course, DL didn't float there on its own. Without all the promos, it would have been much lower, but Thanksgiving and Black Friday illustrate that there is some momentum even without promos.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: lincolnjcole on November 30, 2016, 06:31:35 AM
Status update: Books Machine netted 8 sales. There could have been more, but with another promo the very next day, it was be hard to tell. That promo, the first of a two-day with Books Butterfly, netted 11. It's worth noting that those two days had the highest KU figures, both overall and in terms of Different Lee specifically, than I've had since the book debuted, so the two promos could have generated more KU reads as well.

Twenty-five days out, and DL has hovered between 10,000-12,000 in the paid store (high of around 5,000. and low of 35,000 in the immediate aftermath of the two-star review). Between sales (245) and the equivalent of full reads in KU (about 60), DL has reached more than 300 people in the US market alone. I'm not sure if that's anywhere near enough to make the KS people think they made a mistake, but I'm happy with it.

Of course, DL didn't float there on its own. Without all the promos, it would have been much lower, but Thanksgiving and Black Friday illustrate that there is some momentum even without promos.

Super cool!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 30, 2016, 11:53:34 AM
For those of you with paperback versions, do you typically keep some on hand for local sales? It seems wise, particularly around the holiday season. I sold two more locally today that will be Christmas gifts. It's frustrating that private sales don't do anything for my sales rank. In cases where I know the people and they have Amazon accounts, I discount the book and ask them to download the eBook version. That way they have PB and eBook and I have a verified sale. But my buyer today seldom shops on Amazon and is unfamiliar with the Kindle reading app, so it would have been too much hassle to get him to download the eBook.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on November 30, 2016, 12:07:56 PM
For those of you with paperback versions, do you typically keep some on hand for local sales? It seems wise, particularly around the holiday season. I sold two more locally today that will be Christmas gifts. It's frustrating that private sales don't do anything for my sales rank. In cases where I know the people and they have Amazon accounts, I discount the book and ask them to download the eBook version. That way they have PB and eBook and I have a verified sale. But my buyer today seldom shops on Amazon and is unfamiliar with the Kindle reading app, so it would have been too much hassle to get him to download the eBook.

Ooh, ooh, I love answering this question with a photo of the crate I keep in my trunk:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/image.jpeg?w=600) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/image.jpeg)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 30, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
I like your cover. How are you marketing your Giveaway? I just started on Instafreebie, and I am in an advent calendar giveaway. It is nice because I share the marketing with 11 other authors and the sponser/blogger of the calendar http://brazenbookshelf.com/ (http://brazenbookshelf.com/). It will be interesting to see if I get any mailing list growth out of it. Otherwise, I am giving some copies away in appropriate FB groups. Have you seen the Instafreebie FB group? That might be of interest to you. That's where I stumbled across the calendar opportunity.
Thanks. I had a friend, who is an Art Professor at the college I work at, do the cover.

For the most part I am just using my small Twitter and FB base and trying every FB Book Group I can. I submitted to one SFF Mega Promo I just found in IF's forums, but the last group promo shot me down because my email base was too small. :( I will check IF's FB group and check out Brazen Bookshelf...Thanks  ;)
EDIT: Oops...the Brazen Bookshelf is for romance genre. Mine is the other kind of fantasy  :o


Anyone know of free sites to list during KDP free days or for IF free days? Don't feel like paying hundreds when I am already losing money. :)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on November 30, 2016, 12:40:58 PM
Ooh, ooh, I love answering this question with a photo of the crate I keep in my trunk:
(https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/image.jpeg?w=600) (https://article94.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/image.jpeg)

Good going, Mark, and look at that great selection!
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 30, 2016, 01:28:05 PM
Question for you Bill - I've heard people say that too many promos can lead to them losing effectiveness, you seem to be the guru on it! Have you found that?

Also only 3 hours until What Lies Beneath the Mask is officially out there (at least where i am in thr UK there is!) and I am super nervous! I've got 5 preorders which seems good, and a promo booked for tomorrow (I think!) Feeling good at the moment!  (However I have just "won" NaNo, so it could just be me riding an endorphin high!)

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 30, 2016, 01:37:10 PM
Thanks. I had a friend, who is an Art Professor at the college I work at, do the cover.

For the most part I am just using my small Twitter and FB base and trying every FB Book Group I can. I submitted to one SFF Mega Promo I just found in IF's forums, but the last group promo shot me down because my email base was too small. :( I will check IF's FB group and check out Brazen Bookshelf...Thanks  ;)
EDIT: Oops...the Brazen Bookshelf is for romance genre. Mine is the other kind of fantasy  :o


Anyone know of free sites to list during KDP free days or for IF free days? Don't feel like paying hundreds when I am already losing money. :)

Free Booksy affiliated with Bargain Booksy
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: MelanieCellier on November 30, 2016, 01:51:19 PM
Anyone know of free sites to list during KDP free days or for IF free days? Don't feel like paying hundreds when I am already losing money. :)

Have you checked out Patty Jansen's SciFi/Fantasy cross promo? The Dec one just closed I believe  but she does regular ones alternating between free and 99c. She always advertises them here on kboards.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 30, 2016, 02:14:34 PM
Free Booksy affiliated with Bargain Booksy
Thanks. I was looking for free listings, like this one: http://askdavid.com/free-ebook-promotion

Booksy is not free to list. :(
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 30, 2016, 02:19:20 PM
Question for you Bill - I've heard people say that too many promos can lead to them losing effectiveness, you seem to be the guru on it! Have you found that?

Also only 3 hours until What Lies Beneath the Mask is officially out there (at least where i am in thr UK there is!) and I am super nervous! I've got 5 preorders which seems good, and a promo booked for tomorrow (I think!) Feeling good at the moment!  (However I have just "won" NaNo, so it could just be me riding an endorphin high!)

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It depends upon the nature of the promo and your expectations. With a promo almost every day, there's some chance people subscribed to multiple lists will get hit more than once, so that any given promo in the set might look a little less effective, but I've seen several people write about how they launched their book well with almost continuous promos. I assume each list has enough unique individuals that it's worth hitting as many of them as will have me.

However, I have seen promos wear out if one uses the same promoter for the same book too often. My first book got over a hundred sales from its first run on ENT, but only thirty or so the last time. That's because their list grows, but it only grows so fast, and a lot of people on the list would have already seen the book once. You can mitigate that problem once you have enough books that you can rotate the promos, though for best results that would require not just multiple books but multiple series. At one point I tried to have each month be for promos of a different book, but that scheme was thwarted by the fact that a lot of promoters want only the first book in a series.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on November 30, 2016, 02:22:31 PM
Have you checked out Patty Jansen's SciFi/Fantasy cross promo? The Dec one just closed I believe  but she does regular ones alternating between free and 99c. She always advertises them here on kboards.
That's a good suggestion. I've also noticed a lot of other free cross promo opportunities, though the only other one I've tried is David Neth's. His are thematic, though, so one needs a book that fits.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on November 30, 2016, 02:22:32 PM
It depends upon the nature of the promo and your expectations. With a promo almost every day, there's some chance people subscribed to multiple lists will get hit more than once, so that any given promo in the set might look a little less effective, but I've seen several people write about how they launched their book well with almost continuous promos. I assume each list has enough unique individuals that it's worth hitting as many of them as will have me.

However, I have seen promos wear out if one uses the same promoter for the same book too often. My first book got over a hundred sales from its first run on ENT, but only thirty or so the last time. That's because their list grows, but it only grows so fast, and a lot of people on the list would have already seen the book once. You can mitigate that problem once you have enough books that you can rotate the promos, though for best results that would require not just multiple books but multiple series. At one point I tried to have each month be for promos of a different book, but that scheme was thwarted by the fact that a lot of promoters want only the first book in a series.
Thank you! This is definitely worth knowing! Unfortunately, continuous promotion really isn't an option for me! But I will keep that in mind for (hopefully!) A few months time!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on November 30, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
That's a good suggestion. I've also noticed a lot of other free cross promo opportunities, though the only other one I've tried is David Neth's. His are thematic, though, so one needs a book that fits.
Hey Bill,

where on kboards are you finding the cross promo opportunities? So far I have only found them on IF's site.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on November 30, 2016, 05:34:07 PM
Thanks. I was looking for free listings, like this one: http://askdavid.com/free-ebook-promotion

Booksy is not free to list. :(


Free Booksy is free. I just signed up with them yesterday.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: MelanieCellier on November 30, 2016, 08:25:08 PM
Hey Bill,

where on kboards are you finding the cross promo opportunities? So far I have only found them on IF's site.

Generally each of the cross promos on kboards will have their own thread. So when one is active, you'll generally find it popping up on the first page pretty regularly so it's a matter of just keeping an eye out.

Edited to Add: Oh and I should have mentioned that Patty at least has a mailing list you can sign up for to be notified of each of her promos. You can find it on her website.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 01, 2016, 06:58:49 AM
Thank you! This is definitely worth knowing! Unfortunately, continuous promotion really isn't an option for me! But I will keep that in mind for (hopefully!) A few months time!

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I may not have been clear the first time around. Someone could theoretically do a lot of promos consecutively for a new release, but I don't think anyone does that (aside from constantly running AMS ads) for the whole life of the book. Most promoters only let you run the same book every so often, and if you were running ads constantly on a promoter, you would certainly wear out the audience. Also, it would be expensive, and you'd hit diminishing returns rather quickly. I advocate pushing as hard as you can on a new release, but your schedule later can be much more leisurely.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 01, 2016, 07:02:49 AM
Hey Bill,

where on kboards are you finding the cross promo opportunities? So far I have only found them on IF's site.
I just glance through the thread titles. A lot of them are genre-specific, though, so they won't all apply. I've actually found three that way so far, though one didn't work as I anticipated, so I guess it pays to look at previous promos. It was a Halloween promo, and let's just say that on the covers for a lot of the books being advertised with mine, the characters were wearing a lot less than my characters. (Mine was a YA title.)

I knew better than to do this one, but I'm still having nightmares about the Thanksgiving erotica cross promotion.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 01, 2016, 07:09:07 AM
I just got the date for my promo with Ripley's, and it's very close to Christmas: December 21st. Their line-up on that date is one SF book for free, one UF book at $.99, one Fantasy book at $1.77 and my fantasy book at $3.99.

I like Ripley's because they're a SF/F list that targets strictly YA and NA readers, and they take books under $5.00. I hadn't planned to offer a discount for this promo. (I'm waiting to do a Kindle Countdown deal at an optimal time). I have Ripley's complete listings for December 3- December 24, and there are a few books at $2.99/$3.00 but the majority are cheaper. I have a feeling that no matter what I do, Dec. 21st may be too close to Christmas to get many sales, so I'll probably let well enough alone and see if I can get any sales at $3.99.

When should I run my Countdown promo? If January is typically better for sales than December, should I wait and run the Countdown then? Or should I run it in early December and then selectively discount my book a few days in January if I can line up some newsletter promos? If I understand the restrictions on the Countdown correctly, I'll have to wait 14 days after the Countdown before discounting the book again, but that wouldn't be a problem if I ran the Countdown in early December.

It's depressing that avid readers, the kind who sign up for the promo newsletters, want books free or at $.99. Ideally, I'd like to reach the kind of readers who buy books less frequently but are very selective and read the books they purchase shortly after buying them. These readers, who I meet in real life, think a $3.99 eBook is inexpensive and they don't balk at a trade paperback book at $12-15. But it isn't easy to find an endless stream of this kind of buyer, so the promo sites are necessary. Sigh.

I'm a little underwater on my AMS ads, but I really like AMS. It targets the kind of buyers above. Readers find a book with the elements that appeal to them, and they aren't put off by $3.99 or even $14.95 for my paperback.

I'm anxious to have days where I sell 20-40 books via a promo discount, but for the most part, I'm resigned to slowly building a readership who will pay $3.99.   

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on December 01, 2016, 07:13:30 AM

Free Booksy is free. I just signed up with them yesterday.
To read it is, but when I go there for authors it says "buy, buy, buy"  :o

https://www.freebooksy.com/for-the-authors/

Am I missing a special link?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on December 01, 2016, 07:15:45 AM
Generally each of the cross promos on kboards will have their own thread. So when one is active, you'll generally find it popping up on the first page pretty regularly so it's a matter of just keeping an eye out.

Edited to Add: Oh and I should have mentioned that Patty at least has a mailing list you can sign up for to be notified of each of her promos. You can find it on her website.
Cool, thanks :)


I just glance through the thread titles. A lot of them are genre-specific, though, so they won't all apply. I've actually found three that way so far, though one didn't work as I anticipated, so I guess it pays to look at previous promos. It was a Halloween promo, and let's just say that on the covers for a lot of the books being advertised with mine, the characters were wearing a lot less than my characters. (Mine was a YA title.)

I knew better than to do this one, but I'm still having nightmares about the Thanksgiving erotica cross promotion.
I know what you mean. Some of these Romance/Bondage covers can keep you up at nights.  :o
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Malicia Paine on December 01, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
I'm noticing a lot of authors in this thread that I actually nominated in the last few months. In a lot of cases, when I got the email saying you guys didn't get picked, I got pretty bummed because there are so many great books they're passing up. And if they're passing YOU guys up, what chance do *I* have?

I actually got started as a scout myself because of the romance I listed there a short while back ("Always Bet on Black" in case anyone noticed it.) But then I just kept coming back, day after day, to nominate other people's books. The site's actually pretty addictive. And every now and again, I do get a free book out it.

As for the "Now What?" question on this thread, for me, I had originally planned to take advantage of the "let the people who nominated know when you self-pub" option, but for now, I've actually submitted it to Harlequin, since they recently started taking submissions for a new "Sexy Contemporary" that sounded uncannily like where my novel belongs. (My roots being in erotica.) But assuming I don't get lucky with them, I'll probably self-publish.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on December 01, 2016, 08:51:09 AM
To read it is, but when I go there for authors it says "buy, buy, buy"  :o

https://www.freebooksy.com/for-the-authors/

Am I missing a special link?


This is the form I filled out.  https://www.freebooksy.com/editorial-submissions/
I would almost swear that yesterday it did not say EDITORIAL SUBMISSIONS. I don't even know what that means. Maybe you do. Fill it out anyway. Good luck.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: amyates on December 01, 2016, 10:01:25 AM
As for the "Now What?" question on this thread, for me, I had originally planned to take advantage of the "let the people who nominated know when you self-pub" option, but for now, I've actually submitted it to Harlequin, since they recently started taking submissions for a new "Sexy Contemporary" that sounded uncannily like where my novel belongs. (My roots being in erotica.) But assuming I don't get lucky with them, I'll probably self-publish.

Best of luck with the submission! Let us know how it goes!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Cindy Rinaman Marsch on December 01, 2016, 12:13:13 PM
I just got the date for my promo with Ripley's, and it's very close to Christmas: December 21st. Their line-up on that date is one SF book for free, one UF book at $.99, one Fantasy book at $1.77 and my fantasy book at $3.99.

I like Ripley's because they're a SF/F list that targets strictly YA and NA readers, and they take books under $5.00. I hadn't planned to offer a discount for this promo. (I'm waiting to do a Kindle Countdown deal at an optimal time). I have Ripley's complete listings for December 3- December 24, and there are a few books at $2.99/$3.00 but the majority are cheaper. I have a feeling that no matter what I do, Dec. 21st may be too close to Christmas to get many sales, so I'll probably let well enough alone and see if I can get any sales at $3.99.

When should I run my Countdown promo? If January is typically better for sales than December, should I wait and run the Countdown then? Or should I run it in early December and then selectively discount my book a few days in January if I can line up some newsletter promos? If I understand the restrictions on the Countdown correctly, I'll have to wait 14 days after the Countdown before discounting the book again, but that wouldn't be a problem if I ran the Countdown in early December.

It's depressing that avid readers, the kind who sign up for the promo newsletters, want books free or at $.99. Ideally, I'd like to reach the kind of readers who buy books less frequently but are very selective and read the books they purchase shortly after buying them. These readers, who I meet in real life, think a $3.99 eBook is inexpensive and they don't balk at a trade paperback book at $12-15. But it isn't easy to find an endless stream of this kind of buyer, so the promo sites are necessary. Sigh.

I'm a little underwater on my AMS ads, but I really like AMS. It targets the kind of buyers above. Readers find a book with the elements that appeal to them, and they aren't put off by $3.99 or even $14.95 for my paperback.

I'm anxious to have days where I sell 20-40 books via a promo discount, but for the most part, I'm resigned to slowly building a readership who will pay $3.99.   



Keep up the great work, Kay!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Paul Francois on December 01, 2016, 12:55:26 PM

This is the form I filled out.  https://www.freebooksy.com/editorial-submissions/
I would almost swear that yesterday it did not say EDITORIAL SUBMISSIONS. I don't even know what that means. Maybe you do. Fill it out anyway. Good luck.
Nice find on the link. That is truly hidden. I searched their site and did not find it anywhere.

Thanks  8)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on December 01, 2016, 01:20:21 PM
Nice find on the link. That is truly hidden. I searched their site and did not find it anywhere.

Thanks  8)


You don't know how hard it was to find the second time. I have no idea how I found it the first time. I guess they don't want us to find it.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 01, 2016, 01:33:28 PM
I just got the date for my promo with Ripley's, and it's very close to Christmas: December 21st. Their line-up on that date is one SF book for free, one UF book at $.99, one Fantasy book at $1.77 and my fantasy book at $3.99.

I like Ripley's because they're a SF/F list that targets strictly YA and NA readers, and they take books under $5.00. I hadn't planned to offer a discount for this promo. (I'm waiting to do a Kindle Countdown deal at an optimal time). I have Ripley's complete listings for December 3- December 24, and there are a few books at $2.99/$3.00 but the majority are cheaper. I have a feeling that no matter what I do, Dec. 21st may be too close to Christmas to get many sales, so I'll probably let well enough alone and see if I can get any sales at $3.99.

When should I run my Countdown promo? If January is typically better for sales than December, should I wait and run the Countdown then? Or should I run it in early December and then selectively discount my book a few days in January if I can line up some newsletter promos? If I understand the restrictions on the Countdown correctly, I'll have to wait 14 days after the Countdown before discounting the book again, but that wouldn't be a problem if I ran the Countdown in early December.

It's depressing that avid readers, the kind who sign up for the promo newsletters, want books free or at $.99. Ideally, I'd like to reach the kind of readers who buy books less frequently but are very selective and read the books they purchase shortly after buying them. These readers, who I meet in real life, think a $3.99 eBook is inexpensive and they don't balk at a trade paperback book at $12-15. But it isn't easy to find an endless stream of this kind of buyer, so the promo sites are necessary. Sigh.

I'm a little underwater on my AMS ads, but I really like AMS. It targets the kind of buyers above. Readers find a book with the elements that appeal to them, and they aren't put off by $3.99 or even $14.95 for my paperback.

I'm anxious to have days where I sell 20-40 books via a promo discount, but for the most part, I'm resigned to slowly building a readership who will pay $3.99.
December is usually a hard time to sell. I have no earth-shattering wisdom on the subject of timing countdown deals.

Although I'm not as alarmed as some by the downward pressure on ebook prices, I do think the big promoters have helped create a culture in which people expect high-quality books for practically no money, not just occasionally, but all the time. That works well if you can make up the difference in volume, as people who win the Bookbub lottery often can, but it makes it pretty hard for anyone else to make a living. It's a good thing I'm not trying to. :P

I think the problem is that we are in a transitional time. There are lots of people who will pay more for books, but many of the ones I know are still convinced that self-published books are probably not worth that price point. The readers who have embraced self-publishing seem to include a disproportionate number of bargain hunters who like self-published books precisely because they are inexpensive.

I'm not expecting people will pay the same for me that they would for Stephen King, JK Rowling or John Grisham.  What I am hoping is that, as the market matures, there will be more of an appreciation for the truly professional self publishers, as well as the understanding that our books are actually worth something. I don't have problems with price promotions, with short works as free samples, even with permafree first in series. However, readers need to understand that, if they don't want all the good writers to gradually move on to other things, they will occasionally need to pay a somewhat higher sticker price.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: morgan_n on December 01, 2016, 04:57:46 PM
Bill, I have 2 questions for you.
First, of all the promos you've used, which ones would you recommend. I've run about 3 promos so far in the last year and have tried quite a few places but always see the best results with Robin Reads, ENT and Bargain Booksy. And (so far) and increase in sales each time.
Second, in regards to Instafreebie, you said our hands our tied with Select. I'm sure there's a max wc we're allowed to use but what is it? I mean, can you give away the first chapter or two for free? And if you do use a short story for Instafreebie, do you need a cover for that as well?
Thanks
I've heard: up to 10 %
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on December 01, 2016, 06:18:30 PM
OK, I finally took the plunge and hit 'publish'--Wives of the Saints is now live on Amazon! And the boring old aqua rectangle cover is gone as you can see below (what was I thinking?!) Who doesn't like flowers and candy? Not sorry I did the Kindle Scout thing, but we'll see if there are any benefits from it after all. Am eagerly following the progress of fellow KS refugees here.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 01, 2016, 08:22:37 PM
OK, I finally took the plunge and hit 'publish'--Wives of the Saints is now live on Amazon! And the boring old aqua rectangle cover is gone as you can see below (what was I thinking?!) Who doesn't like flowers and candy? Not sorry I did the Kindle Scout thing, but we'll see if there are any benefits from it after all. Am eagerly following the progress of fellow KS refugees here.

Congratulations and good luck, Kathy. I hope you get a boost from your Kindle Scout nominators.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 01, 2016, 10:30:59 PM
Feeling a little bit dejected right now...ran my first promo yesterday and got one sale :-(

On the plus side, I did get my first KENP at least!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on December 01, 2016, 11:22:56 PM
I just got the date for my promo with Ripley's, and it's very close to Christmas: December 21st. Their line-up on that date is one SF book for free, one UF book at $.99, one Fantasy book at $1.77 and my fantasy book at $3.99.

I like Ripley's because they're a SF/F list that targets strictly YA and NA readers, and they take books under $5.00. I hadn't planned to offer a discount for this promo. (I'm waiting to do a Kindle Countdown deal at an optimal time). I have Ripley's complete listings for December 3- December 24, and there are a few books at $2.99/$3.00 but the majority are cheaper. I have a feeling that no matter what I do, Dec. 21st may be too close to Christmas to get many sales, so I'll probably let well enough alone and see if I can get any sales at $3.99.

When should I run my Countdown promo? If January is typically better for sales than December, should I wait and run the Countdown then? Or should I run it in early December and then selectively discount my book a few days in January if I can line up some newsletter promos? If I understand the restrictions on the Countdown correctly, I'll have to wait 14 days after the Countdown before discounting the book again, but that wouldn't be a problem if I ran the Countdown in early December.

It's depressing that avid readers, the kind who sign up for the promo newsletters, want books free or at $.99. Ideally, I'd like to reach the kind of readers who buy books less frequently but are very selective and read the books they purchase shortly after buying them. These readers, who I meet in real life, think a $3.99 eBook is inexpensive and they don't balk at a trade paperback book at $12-15. But it isn't easy to find an endless stream of this kind of buyer, so the promo sites are necessary. Sigh.

I'm a little underwater on my AMS ads, but I really like AMS. It targets the kind of buyers above. Readers find a book with the elements that appeal to them, and they aren't put off by $3.99 or even $14.95 for my paperback.

I'm anxious to have days where I sell 20-40 books via a promo discount, but for the most part, I'm resigned to slowly building a readership who will pay $3.99.   



Kay, I would try the promo in January. I'm going to try to run a promo for CD:RSS one month followed the next month by a promo for AWC. The best advice I can give is to try and get your second book out there ASAP. I waited too long between books 1 & 2 (14 months) and I may have lost some traction. The goal is to get the reader who'll buy your book at 3.99 or 4.99 but that's for the later books. Your first book is going to have to be deeply discounted (99¢) on a regular basis (every 3 months, no more than that) to get readers and reviews. That will drive those readers to pick up your 2nd and 3rd books at a good price. Those promos at 99¢ will drive readers to you and from there you will cull your 'true' readers: people who'll go on to buy your next book at full price. I read somewhere that you shouldn't promo more than 90 days as readers will see that it's discounted frequently and will just wait for it to be discounted again before they purchase.

I did a promo with Ripleys for my book at 99¢ and didn't get one sale, unlike the numbers with RR, BB and ENT and other places. I ran promos for CD:RSS in Nov, Feb, May and September and I stacked my ads, so I had a promo running every day. Each time, my number of sales increased as did my KENP. There's a saying in marketing that you need to get your product in front of people 7 times before they will consider to buy it. So, I will probably give Ripley's another try as well as some others.

I already see that AWC has got me some organic sales for my first book as well as an increase in my KENP for that book. I'll be curious to see how AWC does after the holiday as it is a seasonal book.

Can you give me the link for the AMS ads? Thanks
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 02, 2016, 01:47:18 AM
Feeling a little bit dejected right now...ran my first promo yesterday and got one sale :-(

On the plus side, I did get my first KENP at least!

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Sorry to hear that! What promo service did you use? I hope it wasn't expensive.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 02, 2016, 02:02:23 AM
Kay, I would try the promo in January. I'm going to try to run a promo for CD:RSS one month followed the next month by a promo for AWC. The best advice I can give is to try and get your second book out there ASAP. I waited too long between books 1 & 2 (14 months) and I may have lost some traction. The goal is to get the reader who'll buy your book at 3.99 or 4.99 but that's for the later books. Your first book is going to have to be deeply discounted (99¢) on a regular basis (every 3 months, no more than that) to get readers and reviews. That will drive those readers to pick up your 2nd and 3rd books at a good price. Those promos at 99¢ will drive readers to you and from there you will cull your 'true' readers: people who'll go on to buy your next book at full price. I read somewhere that you shouldn't promo more than 90 days as readers will see that it's discounted frequently and will just wait for it to be discounted again before they purchase.

I did a promo with Ripleys for my book at 99¢ and didn't get one sale, unlike the numbers with RR, BB and ENT and other places. I ran promos for CD:RSS in Nov, Feb, May and September and I stacked my ads, so I had a promo running every day. Each time, my number of sales increased as did my KENP. There's a saying in marketing that you need to get your product in front of people 7 times before they will consider to buy it. So, I will probably give Ripley's another try as well as some others.

I already see that AWC has got me some organic sales for my first book as well as an increase in my KENP for that book. I'll be curious to see how AWC does after the holiday as it is a seasonal book.

Can you give me the link for the AMS ads? Thanks

Start here to understand how the system works. You'll want to use the sponsored product ads. https://ams.amazon.com/faq#sp-ads

You can access the program from your KDP dashboard via "promote and advertise"

Timing is of the essence if you'd like to target AWC for Christmas shoppers. I bet you could move some paperbacks as well as eBooks. Use keywords gift and Christmas present! My sister told me she sold an eBook and a paperback yesterday by cleverly tapping the idea of her book being an ideal gift for tech-shy seniors.

As for the timing on my promo I jumped the gun last night and started trying to book some promos for Dec 8-15 using a 7 day Kindle countdown split between .99 and 1.99. Of course many places are booked for a month or more in advance. Ugh. I'm not sure how much mileage I'll get depending primarily on Amazon's Countdown program alone, so I hope to get a few promos booked. I probably should have waited for January but I got a bit panicky about the whole "30-day cliff" thing.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 02, 2016, 07:18:56 AM
Sorry to hear that! What promo service did you use? I hope it wasn't expensive.
It was bknights,  but I think I was too far down the homepage (twinned with it only being a new release) that I don't think it will have been worth it. I like books and I'd got bored of looking by the time I got to mine!

Not expensive, but the sales now appear to have gone up to 2. Definitely not worth it :-/

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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 02, 2016, 07:37:17 AM
It was bknights,  but I think I was too far down the homepage (twinned with it only being a new release) that I don't think it will have been worth it. I like books and I'd got bored of looking by the time I got to mine!

Not expensive, but the sales now appear to have gone up to 2. Definitely not worth it :-/

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Thanks for letting us know. It's invaluable to have a record of what has and has not worked for others, along with any factors that may have impacted results. I'm currently wading through many of Bill's posts and lining up whatever I can.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 02, 2016, 07:39:03 AM
Thanks for letting us know. It's invaluable to have a record of what has and has not worked for others, along with any factors that may have impacted results. I'm currently wading through many of Bill's posts and lining up whatever I can.
I've got a couple more lined up (one today and one in ten days) so hopefully I'll get a better feel for it after that!

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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 02, 2016, 08:28:43 AM
It was bknights,  but I think I was too far down the homepage (twinned with it only being a new release) that I don't think it will have been worth it. I like books and I'd got bored of looking by the time I got to mine!

Not expensive, but the sales now appear to have gone up to 2. Definitely not worth it :-/

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I think results may be heavily dependent on genre. I tried bknights once and saw little action from the promo.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 02, 2016, 09:38:05 AM
I think results may be heavily dependent on genre. I tried bknights once and saw little action from the promo.
I think some of my scepticism for this one is coming from paying extra to be listed in the newsletter...yet this is all the newsletter had...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161202/b86f3a5a57e36a2567cb470bc34cdec6.jpg)

Basically it's a very tiny cover in the grid of other covers

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: MelanieCellier on December 02, 2016, 01:55:58 PM
I have a vague memory of seeing some posts on kboards a while ago about how bknights wasn't really working for paid anymore, only free. I can't remember which thread it was though. There have been quite a few threads on which promo sites are the most effective so it might be worth trying to search a few of them out. If I can dig up any links, I'll post them.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 02, 2016, 01:59:29 PM
I've spent two days wading through promo lists. Bill's recommendations have been a big help. I'm also working from this website. http://www.indiesunlimited.com/book-promo-sites/
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 02, 2016, 05:09:15 PM
Woo Hoo! I'm an official member of this thread!  Rejected by Kindle Scout yesterday.  (I'm trying to stay positive, can you tell?). This thread is wonderful and I'm glad I'm not alone.

I'm shooting for a December 16th release of my novel. I'm going to be so happy to call it "done".  Phew. It was a long ride. I put it up for pre release as I finalize a few things in the document. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXTGIZL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480727217&sr=8-1&keywords=love+lies+clones

Anyone willing to support a HeadTalker campaign? I don't know if it will do much -- has anyone had luck with HeadTalker? I tried for the Kindle Scout campaign and don't know if I had many link clicks. Here's the link: https://headtalker.com/campaigns/pre-order-love-lies-clones/

Anyway, Thanks everyone for this thread and sharing your struggles and triumphs. I've been watching for a while.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on December 02, 2016, 08:24:30 PM
Woo Hoo! I'm an official member of this thread!  Rejected by Kindle Scout yesterday.  (I'm trying to stay positive, can you tell?). This thread is wonderful and I'm glad I'm not alone.

I'm shooting for a December 16th release of my novel. I'm going to be so happy to call it "done".  Phew. It was a long ride. I put it up for pre release as I finalize a few things in the document. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXTGIZL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480727217&sr=8-1&keywords=love+lies+clones

Anyone willing to support a HeadTalker campaign? I don't know if it will do much -- has anyone had luck with HeadTalker? I tried for the Kindle Scout campaign and don't know if I had many link clicks. Here's the link: https://headtalker.com/campaigns/pre-order-love-lies-clones/

Anyway, Thanks everyone for this thread and sharing your struggles and triumphs. I've been watching for a while.
Joynell, if you gave an advance reader copy, I'll try yo get you book read so I can review it on launch day... Let me know.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Cindy Rinaman Marsch on December 02, 2016, 08:45:51 PM

As for the timing on my promo I jumped the gun last night and started trying to book some promos for Dec 8-15 using a 7 day Kindle countdown split between .99 and 1.99. Of course many places are booked for a month or more in advance. Ugh. I'm not sure how much mileage I'll get depending primarily on Amazon's Countdown program alone, so I hope to get a few promos booked. I probably should have waited for January but I got a bit panicky about the whole "30-day cliff" thing.

Kay, be sure to check your eligibility for a Countdown promo. I seem to remember something about not being able to do it for at least thirty days after you launch the book.  And by the way, your novel is in the "Shop Related Products" spread below the window I am writing this message in. :-)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 02, 2016, 10:07:57 PM
Kay, be sure to check your eligibility for a Countdown promo. I seem to remember something about not being able to do it for at least thirty days after you launch the book.  And by the way, your novel is in the "Shop Related Products" spread below the window I am writing this message in. :-)

Yes, it's been thirty days already, which is hard to believe.

The sponsored products ad placement is sometimes hard to understand. I saw my eBook in the row with others under my own paperback yesterday.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 03, 2016, 12:28:13 AM
Second promo (Sweet Free Books) appears to have been as successful as the first! I think I can attribute it one sale, though my newsletter went out yesterday too so possibly not.

However it's worth noting that my Amazon.com rating is way above what it was yesterday morning, so maybe there are some borrows in that!

I haven't got anything running for a week or so now, so I'm going to see how it goes with just a bit of social media marketing.

So far the two promos have been pretty cheap (in total they've wasted about £16, which isn't too bad!) But they do have me really worrying for my genre crave promo, which was £85.

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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 03, 2016, 01:16:11 AM
Damn. Also got a 2 star rating on Goodreads (only one I have) but on investigation it does appear like he's found every book related to Phantom of the Opera and two starred them :-(

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 03, 2016, 02:19:39 AM
Joynell, if you gave an advance reader copy, I'll try yo get you book read so I can review it on launch day... Let me know.

Mark - that would be awesome. What format would you like it in? (message me where to send it?) I'd be happy to return a favor now or whenever you'd like it.

Damn. Also got a 2 star rating on Goodreads (only one I have) but on investigation it does appear like he's found every book related to Phantom of the Opera and two starred them :-(

Laura - bummer on the review. Hopefully some other ones come in to balance it out. I'm dreading mine.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 03, 2016, 04:58:10 AM
Mark - that would be awesome. What format would you like it in? (message me where to send it?) I'd be happy to return a favor now or whenever you'd like it.

Laura - bummer on the review. Hopefully some other ones come in to balance it out. I'm dreading mine.
Thank you! I do have a great review on amazon UK at least! The annoying thing is that the 2  star doesn't say anything! If it did then i'd be able to take something useful from it at least! Oh well...fingers crossed there's better ones to come!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on December 03, 2016, 05:26:56 AM
Mark - that would be awesome. What format would you like it in? (message me where to send it?) I'd be happy to return a favor now or whenever you'd like it.

Laura - bummer on the review. Hopefully some other ones come in to balance it out. I'm dreading mine.
I read on the kindle, so a mobi would be perfect. markgardnerauthor@gmail.com
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on December 03, 2016, 05:35:57 AM
Yay! The Kickstarter to get an ISBN and hardcover is successful! Thanks to all you who helped spread the word: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1012144245/war-of-the-worlds-retaliation-hardcover
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 03, 2016, 07:26:24 AM
Thank you! I do have a great review on amazon UK at least! The annoying thing is that the 2  star doesn't say anything! If it did then i'd be able to take something useful from it at least! Oh well...fingers crossed there's better ones to come!

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The only one-stars I have are driveby ratings (no reviews) on Goodreads, making them, as you say, essentially useless in terms of learning anything. Even as a potential customer, I'd like to know why someone didn't like a book. Just the bare fact that they didn't tells me nothing useful.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 03, 2016, 07:27:18 AM
I think some of my scepticism for this one is coming from paying extra to be listed in the newsletter...yet this is all the newsletter had...

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161202/b86f3a5a57e36a2567cb470bc34cdec6.jpg)

Basically it's a very tiny cover in the grid of other covers

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That's it? Well, no wonder!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 03, 2016, 07:28:24 AM
Yay! The Kickstarter to get an ISBN and hardcover is successful! Thanks to all you who helped spread the word: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1012144245/war-of-the-worlds-retaliation-hardcover
Congratulations!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 03, 2016, 07:29:14 AM
Woo Hoo! I'm an official member of this thread!  Rejected by Kindle Scout yesterday.  (I'm trying to stay positive, can you tell?). This thread is wonderful and I'm glad I'm not alone.

I'm shooting for a December 16th release of my novel. I'm going to be so happy to call it "done".  Phew. It was a long ride. I put it up for pre release as I finalize a few things in the document. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXTGIZL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480727217&sr=8-1&keywords=love+lies+clones

Anyone willing to support a HeadTalker campaign? I don't know if it will do much -- has anyone had luck with HeadTalker? I tried for the Kindle Scout campaign and don't know if I had many link clicks. Here's the link: https://headtalker.com/campaigns/pre-order-love-lies-clones/

Anyway, Thanks everyone for this thread and sharing your struggles and triumphs. I've been watching for a while.
Welcome!

I preordered and supported the headtalker campaign.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 03, 2016, 07:30:45 AM
That's it? Well, no wonder!
I messaged bknights to be sure and they claim that newsletters go out throughout the day, but I'm still a bit unsure about that (I made sure I was subscribed first) but oh well. Nothing I can do about it! Now I know not to bother with it again!

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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 03, 2016, 07:35:39 AM
The only one-stars I have are driveby ratings (no reviews) on Goodreads, making them, as you say, essentially useless in terms of learning anything. Even as a potential customer, I'd like to know why someone didn't like a book. Just the bare fact that they didn't tells me nothing useful.
Exactly! That's what's bothering me about it! I've had a 2 star review before and it was one of the most useful reviews I've had (for my writing, naturally not so much for sales!) But this one is just useless!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 03, 2016, 07:44:23 AM
Status Update: I got 21 sales from Books Butterfly, plus probably some tail the day after, but Ebook Hounds was running that day, too. 10 sales occurred.

ENT netted me 36 sales, plus 9 today so far. I have a two-day Kindle Book review promo starting today.

I'm a couple of days away from the 30-day cliff. In theory selling well enough should cushion that fall; we shall see.

I'm at 4,306 in the paid store right now. Interestingly, I'm at 1,325 in the Australia store--10 sales in the last three days. I also picked up one paperback sale in the US along the way.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 03, 2016, 07:46:05 AM
Woo Hoo! I'm an official member of this thread!  Rejected by Kindle Scout yesterday.  (I'm trying to stay positive, can you tell?). This thread is wonderful and I'm glad I'm not alone.

I'm shooting for a December 16th release of my novel. I'm going to be so happy to call it "done".  Phew. It was a long ride. I put it up for pre release as I finalize a few things in the document. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXTGIZL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480727217&sr=8-1&keywords=love+lies+clones

Anyone willing to support a HeadTalker campaign? I don't know if it will do much -- has anyone had luck with HeadTalker? I tried for the Kindle Scout campaign and don't know if I had many link clicks. Here's the link: https://headtalker.com/campaigns/pre-order-love-lies-clones/

Anyway, Thanks everyone for this thread and sharing your struggles and triumphs. I've been watching for a while.

Welcome. You are definitely not alone. We're all steaming ahead and not looking back! Good luck with your book launch. I'm a headtalker virgin, but maybe I'll try it out eventually. Some people think it's helpful. Let us know how you do with it.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 03, 2016, 07:49:20 AM
Damn. Also got a 2 star rating on Goodreads (only one I have) but on investigation it does appear like he's found every book related to Phantom of the Opera and two starred them :-(

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Wow. Really sorry to hear this. It makes you wonder if he even read the book, or whether he rated it based on the synopsis. How can people be so cruel?!
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 03, 2016, 07:52:59 AM
Second promo (Sweet Free Books) appears to have been as successful as the first! I think I can attribute it one sale, though my newsletter went out yesterday too so possibly not.

However it's worth noting that my Amazon.com rating is way above what it was yesterday morning, so maybe there are some borrows in that!

I haven't got anything running for a week or so now, so I'm going to see how it goes with just a bit of social media marketing.

So far the two promos have been pretty cheap (in total they've wasted about £16, which isn't too bad!) But they do have me really worrying for my genre crave promo, which was £85.

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I had assumed, based on the name SweetFreeBooks, they only took free books, but yours is .99, so I took a look and added them to my upcoming promo blast.

I have in my notebook GenreCrave $13.00 scheduled 2/8/17 and I think I must have signed up for this using my book at full price $3.99). I don't recall what sort of promo I got for $13.00. What are you getting that's so expensive?
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 03, 2016, 08:00:08 AM
I had assumed, based on the name SweetFreeBooks, they only took free books, but yours is .99, so I took a look and added them to my upcoming promo blast.

I have in my notebook GenreCrave $13.00 scheduled 2/8/17 and I think I must have signed up for this using my book at full price $3.99). I don't recall what sort of promo I got for $13.00. What are you getting that's so expensive?
Me too, but apparently not! The newsletter was sent out late last night so I'm waiting til tomorrow to see if it's had any effect.

Genre Crave has a couple of options, there's the genre newsletters (which I think is what you have), spotlight (what I have, it's $100 I think), the a book blast ($299, which there's no way I could afford)

I was recommended it by an author friend who said if I could afford it then it'd be worth it...so fingers crossed.

On my 2 star, it's just annoying, but I think most readers probably ignore negative ratings with no actual review. Or at least I hope so!

I've preordered Love, Lies & Clones. Gutted it wasn't picked, but I'm looking forward to reading!

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Post by: RWhite7699 on December 03, 2016, 08:29:38 AM
My book, Lily of the Valley, is free today and tomorrow. It's all about saving your mother. If you are interested, grab a copy here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MS9W1DU
I would love to have a review (or 2 or 3) from this board. Thanks!
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 03, 2016, 04:39:02 PM
Bill,

You may be interested to know that this morning my sister got a notification from Amazon: New Release from Bill Hiatt. It was for The Devil Hath the Power. She asked if I'd gotten the email and I hadn't, but I got it this evening. So Amazon is pushing your releases to your "followers" even when the new release isn't so new!
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Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 03, 2016, 04:49:46 PM
My book, Lily of the Valley, is free today and tomorrow. It's all about saving your mother. If you are interested, grab a copy here: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MS9W1DU
I would love to have a review (or 2 or 3) from this board. Thanks!

Ruth -- I picked it up. Thanks! I'll try to squeeze the read & review in this month.

Laura & Bill -- thanks for the pre-order!
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 04, 2016, 04:31:13 AM
Update on my Sweet Free Books promo (ran Friday)

So it netted me somewhere between 0 and 3 sales (I had 2 yesterday) so really not sure I'm seeing much return on the promos.

However something is going on (I'm going to assume Kindle Unlimited borrows) because despite my seemingly abysmal sales dashboard, my Amazon ranking has gone up higher than I'd expected.

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Post by: Kay7979 on December 04, 2016, 05:14:57 AM
Update on my Sweet Free Books promo (ran Friday)

So it netted me somewhere between 0 and 3 sales (I had 2 yesterday) so really not sure I'm seeing much return on the promos.

However something is going on (I'm going to assume Kindle Unlimited borrows) because despite my seemingly abysmal sales dashboard, my Amazon ranking has gone up higher than I'd expected.

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It only takes one or two sales or borrows to move the needle substantially during your first 30 days. I hope you see more activity reported soon. There's sometimes a delay.

I see you got a great 5-star review on Goodreads. YAY!!!!
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 04, 2016, 05:20:39 AM
It only takes one or two sales or borrows to move the needle substantially during your first 30 days. I hope you see more activity reported soon. There's sometimes a delay.

I see you got a great 5-star review on Goodreads. YAY!!!!
Yep! At the end of the day I have my story out there which was the aim! Fingers crossed it'll pick up but it not, oh well - lesson learnt not to waste money on promos!

Yes I have 2 on amazon.co.uk (both members of the kboards KS community) and they both made my day! I was honestly over the moon that they both got the key points of the book (for me, it was just about the romance, I was determined to make it about friendship and recovery too). I was so worried that I hadn't done those justice!

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Post by: Kay7979 on December 05, 2016, 10:21:22 AM
I've got my Kindle Countdown promo scheduled for 12/8 thru 12/14. Some people advise to reduce the price to $.99 for the entire time, but I'm doing a two-stage price and we'll see how it goes. I have several promos lined up from 12/8 - 12/10 when the book is .99. The price shifts midday on the 11th to $1.99 and remains there till the end of 12/14. Since the price will be .99 in the morning on the 11th and $1.99 in the afternoon/evening I didn't try to book any promos for the 11th. Too confusing! I have a few promos booked from the 12th-14th at $1.99.

I'd like to post daily sales figures the way Bill does, since his posts have been very helpful, but since I have multiple promos running concurrently I'll have no way to identify which sales came from which promos. In any case, I'll post which promos are running along with general observations about how the day went.

I plan to confine most of my promos to Kindle Countdown days, so my object for this seven-day period is to get as much exposure as I can until the next Countdown. 

I know a few of you have bought my book at $3.99, and I really appreciate that! There are so many good KS books being self-published that it's a burden to support everyone. I've bought a few post-KS books at $.99, since that's such a bargain, but there's a limit to how many I can buy, even at $.99, and more importantly, there's a limit to how many truly interest me that I can read in the next year or two! So, I understand that all of you won't buy my discounted book, but if you DO have any interest in it at $.99, please pick it up on 12/8 -12/10.

I think the Kindle Scout editors scratched their heads over how to classify my book, since it has elements of urban and high fantasy. The story begins in our present-day world. Gemologist Lana Grayson's study of gem folklore enables her to draw powers/special abilities from gemstones. Early in the story she discovers a portal to a world inhabited by woodland gnomes whose ruler uses gemstone powers to dominate and enslave them. So begins Lana's reluctant involvement with the gnomes, which lands her in a dungeon in the gnome world, brings her face-to-face with a savage, monstrous segment of the gnome race, various frightening creatures, and enchanted beings that were once human. There are plenty of problems in the gnome world, and a few of them follow her home. :-).  The book has a fair amount of dry humor that keeps the tone relatively light despite the dangers Lana encounters. Even if fantasy isn't usually your thing, if you ever enjoyed fairy tales as a child and imaginative stories from Alice in Wonderland to Wizard of Oz, I believe you'll find yourself reliving that childlike sense of wonder as you read this book. OK, so much for my sales pitch.

 
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 05, 2016, 10:33:55 AM
So I've heard about the advantages of cross-promoting, and was thinking that we could do a cross promotion of our own. Now obviously, there's a wide range of genres, so that would be taken into account!

My hope would be to keep it just to authors who had a KS campaign. Each author would share the books in their genre (I'd collate/sort out all the links & things) maybe doing a genre a day over a week or so in total (they could also opt-in to additional genres if they felt their fan base would appreciate them).

Participating authors can share in any way, newsletter, blog post, facebook, twitter etc and it doesn't matter about following size or anything.

Other than whether anyone would actually be interested...my main question would be how you'd feel about a giveaway? Say with two options each for a rafflecopter (again split by genre). Prizes (to be determined, but probably just a book in the genre) would be grouped as a "grand prize for Fantasy" (say there's 5 books or something like that).

That's all, just wondering if anyone is interested!
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Post by: Carey Lewis on December 05, 2016, 10:48:24 AM
So I've heard about the advantages of cross-promoting, and was thinking that we could do a cross promotion of our own. Now obviously, there's a wide range of genres, so that would be taken into account!

My hope would be to keep it just to authors who had a KS campaign. Each author would share the books in their genre (I'd collate/sort out all the links & things) maybe doing a genre a day over a week or so in total (they could also opt-in to additional genres if they felt their fan base would appreciate them).

Participating authors can share in any way, newsletter, blog post, facebook, twitter etc and it doesn't matter about following size or anything.

Other than whether anyone would actually be interested...my main question would be how you'd feel about a giveaway? Say with two options each for a rafflecopter (again split by genre). Prizes (to be determined, but probably just a book in the genre) would be grouped as a "grand prize for Fantasy" (say there's 5 books or something like that).

That's all, just wondering if anyone is interested!
I would definitely be interested in something like this. Bill mentioned it awhile ago, but didn't seem to get too many bites. I'm just a little confused with how it goes with if you've enrolled your book into Select, but count me in!  :D
PS: My book is in the crime mystery/ thriller genre.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 05, 2016, 10:53:59 AM
I would definitely be interested in something like this. Bill mentioned it awhile ago, but didn't seem to get too many bites. I'm just a little confused with how it goes with if you've enrolled your book into Select, but count me in!  :D
PS: My book is in the crime mystery/ thriller genre.
I imagine that as a giveaway prize it'd be fine, but the promo could be done without a giveaway anyway if people prefered!

The only real question would be when to do it, especially considering there'll be the new kindle owners after Christmas (but we'll likely be too busy for most of that week!)

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Post by: Paul Francois on December 05, 2016, 11:00:19 AM
Feeling a little bit dejected right now...ran my first promo yesterday and got one sale :-(

On the plus side, I did get my first KENP at least!

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I know what you mean. I have been promo'ing bot free and paid and my sales have flatlined!  :'(

Think I am just going to work on building reviews and on increasing my email list.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 05, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
I imagine that as a giveaway prize it'd be fine, but the promo could be done without a giveaway anyway if people prefered!

The only real question would be when to do it, especially considering there'll be the new kindle owners after Christmas (but we'll likely be too busy for most of that week!)

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I think we can come up with something that works. I'm game. As for giveaways, that shouldn't violate any terms of KDP Select. I just did a Goodreads giveaway for five paperback copies.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 05, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
I know what you mean. I have been promo'ing bot free and paid and my sales have flatlined!  :'(

Think I am just going to work on building reviews and on increasing my email list.

What promo sites have you tried so far? You didn't get any sales?
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Post by: Paul Francois on December 05, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
What promo sites have you tried so far? You didn't get any sales?
Doing a paid one through BooksGoSocial right now. They are very supportive and helpful.

Free ones are:
http://digitalbooktoday.com/join-our-team/12-top-100-submit-your-free-book-to-be-included-on-this-list/
https://www.freebooksy.com/editorial-submissions/
http://askdavid.com/free-ebook-promotion (this one also gives you 7 free tweets from their Twitter account with 50k+ followers)

I also did one through eBookSoda and got 1 sale, but once again I think my issue is only 1 US review and 1 UK review. Definitely need more.  ;)
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 05, 2016, 12:09:20 PM
Doing a paid one through BooksGoSocial right now. They are very supportive and helpful.

Free ones are:
http://digitalbooktoday.com/join-our-team/12-top-100-submit-your-free-book-to-be-included-on-this-list/
https://www.freebooksy.com/editorial-submissions/
http://askdavid.com/free-ebook-promotion (this one also gives you 7 free tweets from their Twitter account with 50k+ followers)

I also did one through eBookSoda and got 1 sale, but once again I think my issue is only 1 US review and 1 UK review. Definitely need more.  ;)

When you did these promos, was your book at $2.99?
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Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 05, 2016, 01:21:24 PM
So I've heard about the advantages of cross-promoting, and was thinking that we could do a cross promotion of our own. Now obviously, there's a wide range of genres, so that would be taken into account!

My hope would be to keep it just to authors who had a KS campaign. Each author would share the books in their genre (I'd collate/sort out all the links & things) maybe doing a genre a day over a week or so in total (they could also opt-in to additional genres if they felt their fan base would appreciate them).

Participating authors can share in any way, newsletter, blog post, facebook, twitter etc and it doesn't matter about following size or anything.

Other than whether anyone would actually be interested...my main question would be how you'd feel about a giveaway? Say with two options each for a rafflecopter (again split by genre). Prizes (to be determined, but probably just a book in the genre) would be grouped as a "grand prize for Fantasy" (say there's 5 books or something like that).

That's all, just wondering if anyone is interested!

I'm interested. I'd do a giveaway or whatever else.

I would definitely be interested in something like this. Bill mentioned it awhile ago, but didn't seem to get too many bites. I'm just a little confused with how it goes with if you've enrolled your book into Select, but count me in!  :D
PS: My book is in the crime mystery/ thriller genre.

I'm participating in mystery/thriller week the first week of February. If you're interested, check it out here. I'm hoping to bring in a few new readers.  https://mysterythrillerweek.com/
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Post by: Paul Francois on December 05, 2016, 02:57:00 PM
When you did these promos, was your book at $2.99?
On the BooksGoSocial and eBookSoda, yes. But the other 3 I pointed to instaFreebie.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 05, 2016, 03:13:14 PM
So I've heard about the advantages of cross-promoting, and was thinking that we could do a cross promotion of our own. Now obviously, there's a wide range of genres, so that would be taken into account!

My hope would be to keep it just to authors who had a KS campaign. Each author would share the books in their genre (I'd collate/sort out all the links & things) maybe doing a genre a day over a week or so in total (they could also opt-in to additional genres if they felt their fan base would appreciate them).

Participating authors can share in any way, newsletter, blog post, facebook, twitter etc and it doesn't matter about following size or anything.

Other than whether anyone would actually be interested...my main question would be how you'd feel about a giveaway? Say with two options each for a rafflecopter (again split by genre). Prizes (to be determined, but probably just a book in the genre) would be grouped as a "grand prize for Fantasy" (say there's 5 books or something like that).

That's all, just wondering if anyone is interested!
Yes, I'd be interested if we have enough people in each genre to make it work. I think we do, but I'm not sure how many people are actually here (there could be lurkers).
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 05, 2016, 03:15:17 PM
Bill,

You may be interested to know that this morning my sister got a notification from Amazon: New Release from Bill Hiatt. It was for The Devil Hath the Power. She asked if I'd gotten the email and I hadn't, but I got it this evening. So Amazon is pushing your releases to your "followers" even when the new release isn't so new!
It's always nice to know they do something, but that's a bit slow, consider the novella was a pre-Halloween release. :P
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 05, 2016, 03:20:01 PM
It's always nice to know they do something, but that's a bit slow, consider the novella was a pre-Halloween release. :P

But we weren't following you then, so they couldn't have sent it at that time.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 05, 2016, 03:30:25 PM
Update on my Sweet Free Books promo (ran Friday)

So it netted me somewhere between 0 and 3 sales (I had 2 yesterday) so really not sure I'm seeing much return on the promos.

However something is going on (I'm going to assume Kindle Unlimited borrows) because despite my seemingly abysmal sales dashboard, my Amazon ranking has gone up higher than I'd expected.

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These days it's very hard to evaluate promos precisely because of the KU complication. I assume a KU spike on the day of a promo is related to the promo, and with so many KU subscribers, some interactions that would have been sales in the past are now borrows, but it's harder to get an accurate count.

I have to assume the promos do stimulate borrows as well as sales, because Different Lee has been getting what for me are crazy high KU numbers. Last month it had almost 32,000 pages in the US alone. (That's more than my total page count in the past most months.) In only five days it's piled up over 18,000, and my KU total broke 6,000 in one for the first time ever. Those pages aren't falling out of the air. I will say that I have what look like some steady KU readers, so when they noticed the new book, they probably jumped on it.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 05, 2016, 03:53:33 PM
Excellent news, Bill, on your KENP! I hope my promos get me more KU readers.

I asked a question in another thread and it was answered. Are reviews posted by KU readers verified reviews. Alas, the answer is no.
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Post by: Mark Gardner on December 05, 2016, 06:24:19 PM
I'm always game for any kind of promo I can help you guts with. If you want to do a guest blog or interview on my blog, just let me know.
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Post by: Carey Lewis on December 06, 2016, 12:28:42 AM
I'm always game for any kind of promo I can help you guts with. If you want to do a guest blog or interview on my blog, just let me know.
I've never done one before, but I'd be interested
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Post by: Mark Gardner on December 06, 2016, 04:54:08 AM
I've never done one before, but I'd be interested
Do you want to do an interview, or a guest blog?
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Post by: Mark Gardner on December 06, 2016, 05:28:46 AM
Mark - that would be awesome. What format would you like it in? (message me where to send it?) I'd be happy to return a favor now or whenever you'd like it.

Joynell,
I finished reading LL&C last night. I think you're missing out on a great opportunity with your synopsis.

Quote
June’s deadly secret is she’s a clone, and if she tells anyone her father’s involvement, he’ll face the death penalty. After his suspicious disappearance, the police have failed to find him.

During her frantic search, she’s surprised by an AWOL military man who insists her father's the key to finding his brother. Bullet's fly as they uncover more about the horrific experiments.

Can June trust someone with her secret... and her heart?

Since you introduce in the first chapter that June's heart is problematic, and she only expects to live another few years, you just have to work that into the synopsis, especially to make the last sentence pop. I'm terrible in this area, so maybe we can get the hive mind on it. I think just adding something about her heart in the first line or two will be a major improvement.

It could even be something as simple as adding after the first sentence, "She knows that her heart could quit at any time, just like it did for her mother." You might also want to work in that "Time is running out."

I thought about it, and here's what I came up with:
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June never asked to be cloned from her mother's DNA. She didn't ask for the faulty heart that beats in her chest either. She made a life for herself as a college professor, but what she really wants is the same as everyone else: a human connection. But how can she connect to someone when her heart's next beat could be her last?

When her estranged father shows up on her doorstep to warn her that there are people trying to abduct her, she dismisses him as paranoid. That is until he disappears. The police are not prepared to confront a conspiracy this large, especially with a serial killer on the loose.

She doesn't trust the AWOL soldier that insists her father's disappearance is linked to his brother's odd behavior. With time running out, she must avoid abduction attempts, untangle the web of lies, and above all else, hide her taboo origins.

Can June trust Elliot with her secret... and her heart?
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Post by: Carey Lewis on December 06, 2016, 05:45:01 AM
Do you want to do an interview, or a guest blog?
I guess I would choose an interview. I don't even know what to write in my own blog, would have no idea what to write as a guest!
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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 06, 2016, 05:52:35 AM
Hi guys,
Thought I'd pop over and show my face. Look forward  to your posts
Jen
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 06, 2016, 06:07:55 AM
Hi guys,
Thought I'd pop over and show my face. Look forward  to your posts
Jen

Hi Jen! It's a happening place over here! Looking forward to hearing more about your plans.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 06, 2016, 06:17:44 AM
But we weren't following you then, so they couldn't have sent it at that time.
Now that I think about it, something did go out. It had zero sales impact, though. The Different Lee one may have had more, but it fell right on top of a big promo, so there's no way to tell.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 06, 2016, 06:18:57 AM
Excellent news, Bill, on your KENP! I hope my promos get me more KU readers.

I asked a question in another thread and it was answered. Are reviews posted by KU readers verified reviews. Alas, the answer is no.
One of the great injustices of the verified review system. Amazon really hasn't thought some of those things through.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 06, 2016, 06:32:12 AM
One of the great injustices of the verified review system. Amazon really hasn't thought some of those things through.

Yes it seems illogical. Amazon can track which books a customer borrowed and read, so why should a KU review be ineligible for the verified tag.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 06, 2016, 06:35:01 AM
This is almost the last update on new release promos. Keep in mind that back-to-back promos are hard to judge, because the second one may be benefitting from the tail of the first one.

ENT (12/2) brought in an estimated 63 sales, Kindle Book Review (12/3-12/4) brought in 23, Genre Crave (12/5) 24. Pages read went up each of those days. For a few days DL has been hovering between 5,000 and 6,000 (top 100 in all three genres), and there was no sudden drop after 30. Now that there are no active promos until 12/13, it will be interesting to see how well the books sustains its momentum.

It's not surprising that ENT was the top performer. At first I was a little disappointed, because the first time I used it, I picked up over a hundred sales. However, some of the sales I attributed to KBR might belong to ENT, and there was no KU the last time I used ENT. I had the equivalent of nine full KU reads, and probably at least some of the twelve the following day should also be attributed to ENT.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 06, 2016, 06:46:09 AM
This is almost the last update on new release promos. Keep in mind that back-to-back promos are hard to judge, because the second one may be benefitting from the tail of the first one.

ENT (12/2) brought in an estimated 63 sales, Kindle Book Review (12/3-12/4) brought in 23, Genre Crave (12/5) 24. Pages read went up each of those days. For a few days DL has been hovering between 5,000 and 6,000 (top 100 in all three genres), and there was no sudden drop after 30. Now that there are no active promos until 12/13, it will be interesting to see how well the books sustains its momentum.

It's not surprising that ENT was the top performer. At first I was a little disappointed, because the first time I used it, I picked up over a hundred sales. However, some of the sales I attributed to KBR might belong to ENT, and there was no KU the last time I used ENT. I had the equivalent of nine full KU reads, and probably at least some of the twelve the following day should also be attributed to ENT.

Wow. That's great. Even 63 sounds like a huge amount of sales, much less 100. I'll be interested in hearing how your sales rank holds up after the promo blitz. I hope your book becomes sticky and sells on its own momentum  with just Amazon algorithm action.

I've booked so many promos during my upcoming Kindle Countdown that we actually created a spreadsheet to keep track of which promos on what days at what cost. I don't think ENT was available. I'm quite sure I needed far more lead time to book that one, but I'll plan ahead for the next Countdown. The only list that turned me down was Read Cheaply. Apparently they have a large number of major name authors.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 06, 2016, 06:49:24 AM
Yes it seems illogical. Amazon can track which books a customer borrowed and read, so why should a KU review be ineligible for the verified tag.
I don't know what Amazon's thinking is. There's an interesting bias among some authors to the effect that the opinion of anyone who didn't pay full price can't be trusted to write an accurate review. During the recent but fortunately temporary "revocalypse," when by default only the verified purchase reviews showed, and a customer had to click to get to the others, several writers expressed glee about it. Oddly, they were especially happy about having ARC reviews filtered out. (Amazon current practice is to show all reviews on the product page by default. From search results, clicking on the number of reviews brings up all reviews. Clicking on the stars lets you visit all reviews with a particular rating or all verified purchase reviews.)

To me that kind of response is completely incomprehensible. Sure, some people cheat, but that doesn't mean most unverified reviews are false. We all agree that paying reviewers for customer reviews is wrong, but I've never understood why an author would think that being enough of a fan to be willing to read an ARC should disqualify a person. Many of the customer reviews for trad published books come from self-identified ardent fans. Customer reviewers don't have to be people with no opinion about the author's work going in. They just have to be honest in their evaluation of the book before them and not be receiving special compensation for it.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 06, 2016, 06:51:02 AM
Wow. That's great. Even 63 sounds like a huge amount of sales, much less 100. I'll be interested in hearing how your sales rank holds up after the promo blitz. I hope your book becomes sticky and sells on its own momentum  with just Amazon algorithm action.

I've booked so many promos during my upcoming Kindle Countdown that we actually created a spreadsheet to keep track of which promos on what days at what cost. I don't think ENT was available. I'm quite sure I needed far more lead time to book that one, but I'll plan ahead for the next Countdown. The only list that turned me down was Read Cheaply. Apparently they have a large number of major name authors.
ENT won't let you request a date more than a month in advance but frequently books pretty close to a month out. I think mine was booked 26 days after my request, which is pretty typical.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 06, 2016, 07:09:29 AM
ENT won't let you request a date more than a month in advance but frequently books pretty close to a month out. I think mine was booked 26 days after my request, which is pretty typical.
Wait what site is ENT? Not too sure I've heard of it!

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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 06, 2016, 07:41:07 AM
Wait what site is ENT? Not too sure I've heard of it!

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EReader News Today. A lot of people consider it second (though a distant second) to Book Bub. Its list is certainly smaller than BB, but it's much cheaper. More important from a practical standpoint, it's also attainable. ENT prefers first in series or standalones, so it rejected my later series books, but it never rejected my first, and it pick up DL as a new release with no reviews because I had other well reviewed books.
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Post by: RWhite7699 on December 06, 2016, 07:51:04 AM
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 06, 2016, 08:51:26 AM
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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LizHedgecock on December 06, 2016, 08:54:36 AM
Hello again all,
Having recovered from NaNoWriMo (more or less), I'm launching A House Of Mirrors in ebook tomorrow. I don't feel ready, but then again, I never do.
Wish me luck!
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 06, 2016, 09:37:10 AM
EReader News Today. A lot of people consider it second (though a distant second) to Book Bub. Its list is certainly smaller than BB, but it's much cheaper. More important from a practical standpoint, it's also attainable. ENT prefers first in series or standalones, so it rejected my later series books, but it never rejected my first, and it pick up DL as a new release with no reviews because I had other well reviewed books.

Yay! I just checked my email and I have ENT approved/scheduled for 12/9. I seriously submitted to so many promo sites that I have to refer to my notes to remember which I haven't heard back from yet.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 06, 2016, 09:41:02 AM
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I have been a Headtalker virgin till now. Just added my support. Good luck, Ruth!
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Post by: marissamarchan on December 06, 2016, 09:54:10 AM
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Post by: Marie Clapsaddle on December 06, 2016, 10:20:15 AM
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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 06, 2016, 10:20:51 AM
I finished reading LL&C last night. I think you're missing out on a great opportunity with your synopsis.
I thought about it, and here's what I came up with:

Mark - Wow. Thanks for the effort on this. It's a great suggestion and I'll definitely be working on an updated synopsis.

This is my first book, so I REALLY have no idea what I'm doing. Hopefully, it's only up from here. (That's why this group is great!)

Ruth - I have you supported too. You're over half-way there. ;-)
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Post by: Mark Gardner on December 06, 2016, 10:29:55 AM
Mark - Wow. Thanks for the effort on this. It's a great suggestion and I'll definitely be working on an updated synopsis.

This is my first book, so I REALLY have no idea what I'm doing. Hopefully, it's only up from here. (That's why this group is great!)

Ruth - I have you supported too. You're over half-way there. ;-)
Just remember- None of us, including the Big Five, really know what we're doing. The difference between them and us, is they can throw money at it to make it work, and we cannot.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 06, 2016, 10:48:47 AM
Just remember- None of us, including the Big Five, really know what we're doing. The difference between them and us, is they can throw money at it to make it work, and we cannot.
On the plus side I imagine that they do manage to waste some of that money too!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 06, 2016, 06:04:37 PM
Hello again all,
Having recovered from NaNoWriMo (more or less), I'm launching A House Of Mirrors in ebook tomorrow. I don't feel ready, but then again, I never do.
Wish me luck!

That's exciting, Liz! Thanks for letting us know, and I hope you'll report back that you got a nice boost from some of the folks who nominated you on Kindle Scout.
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Post by: LizHedgecock on December 07, 2016, 02:42:40 AM
That's exciting, Liz! Thanks for letting us know, and I hope you'll report back that you got a nice boost from some of the folks who nominated you on Kindle Scout.

Thanks, Kay! Probably not the best time to launch a book, but hoping to get some reviews up and eyes on the book before all those new Kindles and Amazon vouchers arrive at Christmas. ;-)
I've pushed the KS button but not sure that anything's happened yet, probably because the US is just waking up...
For anyone who'd like to visit the book, it's here: myBook.to/Mirrors

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 07, 2016, 02:55:09 AM
Thanks, Kay! Probably not the best time to launch a book, but hoping to get some reviews up and eyes on the book before all those new Kindles and Amazon vouchers arrive at Christmas. ;-)
I've pushed the KS button but not sure that anything's happened yet, probably because the US is just waking up...
For anyone who'd like to visit the book, it's here: myBook.to/Mirrors

Congrats Liz! I'm facing the same Holiday-time launch. I wish you a ton of luck! BTW - I voted for you, but don't recall getting an email from Kindle Scout yet that your book is available.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 03:52:02 AM
Stupid question: After setting up my Kindle Countdown deal in KDP, do I need to manually change my price somewhere or does Amazon's system do it automatically based on the days and price levels I selected? My countdown starts tomorrow.
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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 07, 2016, 04:46:39 AM
Yes it seems illogical. Amazon can track which books a customer borrowed and read, so why should a KU review be ineligible for the verified tag.
Thanks for the welcome, jumping right in - I wonder how much in the general scheme of things it matters? Most readers wouldn't recognise a verified review if it jumped up and bit them, I certainly didn't before writing took hold.
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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 07, 2016, 04:50:05 AM
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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 07, 2016, 04:53:31 AM
Hello again all,
Having recovered from NaNoWriMo (more or less), I'm launching A House Of Mirrors in ebook tomorrow. I don't feel ready, but then again, I never do.
Wish me luck!
Good luck, saw the link on a later post so off to visit Amazon. I'll RT your link too x
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 05:14:29 AM
Thanks for the welcome, jumping right in - I wonder how much in the general scheme of things it matters? Most readers wouldn't recognise a verified review if it jumped up and bit them, I certainly didn't before writing took hold.

That's a valid point. For a while recently Amazon was filtering out all unverified reviews so it was more difficult to see them, but I think they've backed off on that.
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Post by: LizHedgecock on December 07, 2016, 05:24:10 AM
Congrats Liz! I'm facing the same Holiday-time launch. I wish you a ton of luck! BTW - I voted for you, but don't recall getting an email from Kindle Scout yet that your book is available.

And the very best of luck to you too! I haven't had the email yet either, Amazon are probably still on their morning coffee ;-)

Good luck, saw the link on a later post so off to visit Amazon. I'll RT your link too x

Thanks, Jenny!
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Post by: KCecala on December 07, 2016, 05:51:02 AM
So good to see Liz and Jenny here! It's like an old school reunion!
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Post by: PatriciaThomson on December 07, 2016, 06:22:35 AM
That's a valid point. For a while recently Amazon was filtering out all unverified reviews so it was more difficult to see them, but I think they've backed off on that.

I hope so because I put my book in KU this weekend (plus got an ad).
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 07, 2016, 06:31:26 AM
Thanks, Kay! Probably not the best time to launch a book, but hoping to get some reviews up and eyes on the book before all those new Kindles and Amazon vouchers arrive at Christmas. ;-)
I've pushed the KS button but not sure that anything's happened yet, probably because the US is just waking up...
For anyone who'd like to visit the book, it's here: myBook.to/Mirrors
Just picked it up!

It's nice to see I'm not the only one who uses Booklinker links. They're so handy if you're dealing with an international audience.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 06:42:59 AM
So good to see Liz and Jenny here! It's like an old school reunion!

That's what I was hoping for when I started this thread. Each "graduating class" from Kindle Scout will be able to come here and maintain the friendships they developed during their campaigns, plus meet other kindred spirits who have been through Scout and are now launching books on their own.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 07:00:12 AM
Holiday launch peeps! On the one hand, may be slow now. But being live could give you a chance to get reviews in but still stay in the HNR 30 day peak for the after Christmas new kindle buyers! And that's got to be a good thing!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 07, 2016, 07:00:58 AM
Update on genre pulse results: Assuming yesterday's sales were part of the Genre Crave tail, that brings GC up to 32 sales.

KU reads continue to be crazy (for me anyway) with yesterday's total almost breaking 9,000. (Previous high: 5,000.)

I'm probably still not making the KS editors regret their decision, but I'm happy.

This screencap isn't as sexy as Mark's box of paperbacks, but it does illustrate a couple of interesting things (Nov 4 was the release date):
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First, having a new release definitely boosts sales (which we already knew).

Second, the effect on KU seems to be slower, but more dramatic once KU readers become aware of the new title.

Third, if your sales are high enough in the first thirty days, you don't fall off the 30-day cliff as fast. My ranking is better now than it was for most of that first 30 days. How long that effect will hold I don't know.

There's still a lot of fluctuation, because my sales are still relatively small. When one gets to a higher level, there are still fluctuations, but they aren't as noticeable.

Royalties are about 6.5 times what they were, even with my low intro price.

This makes me wish I could do a new release every four months. Even in retirement, though, I can't turn out novels that fast. :P I've seen stories about people who built themselves up into bestsellers that way, and if I were younger and faster, I'd try it--well, except that if I were younger, I'd also still be working full time.

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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 07, 2016, 07:02:32 AM
Holiday launch peeps! On the one hand, may be slow now. But being live could give you a chance to get reviews in but still stay in the HNR 30 day peak for the after Christmas new kindle buyers! And that's got to be a good thing!

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Yes, if you could do that, it would work out well.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 07:02:55 AM
Update; my sales are doing abysmally  (after asking on Kboards it seems my cover and blurb aren't right, so having a blurb rewrite today and hoping it helps for my promo on Monday!)

However, even without any promos running I have sold 2 books in the past couple of days so holding off on the dejection just yet!

Interestingly one of the things they've said is that my Blurb isn't long enough,which kind of makes me question why KS limits the word count so low!

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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 07:13:05 AM



This makes me wish I could do a new release every four months. Even in retirement, though, I can't turn out novels that fast. [emoji14] I've seen stories about people who built themselves up into bestsellers that way, and if I were younger and faster, I'd try it--well, except that if I were younger, I'd also still be working full time.

You're worrying me here Bill! This is effectively my plan for 2017 :-/ even the working full time bit (which includes getting a promotion around June/July according to my manager)... definitely scared now!

My KU pages are at 290 ish at the moment, so it seems like I need to do something about that! (But maybe a blurb rewrite will actually help that!)

Honestly though, despite bad sales figures, i'm happy  I got the book out there. I wrote this one for me and it's unlikely to be a genre I go back to! (Weird I know but you guys know what it's like, the character appears then they do something and the next thing you know there's a whole book playing out in your head!)


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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 07:22:24 AM
I hope so because I put my book in KU this weekend (plus got an ad).

Where will your ad appear?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 07:30:52 AM
@Bill. Fantastic results. I seldom get any KENP. I've had a few good days, then nothing. I think the KS gods may be starting to regret passing on your book. To be honest, I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. I wonder how much heat they take for selecting books that never really take off, and for passing up books that go on to sell very well.

@Laura. I got a notification of your book this morning on my GenreCrave list. As for your blurb, I'm not sure why KS limits the length so severely, but I noticed that most books do have longer blurbs so I rewrote mine and lengthened it. I hope your new blurb helps sales. I find your cover attractive, but that doesn't mean others are wrong when they say it doesn't zero in enough on your book's storyline.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 07, 2016, 07:57:43 AM

You're worrying me here Bill! This is effectively my plan for 2017 :-/ even the working full time bit (which includes getting a promotion around June/July according to my manager)... definitely scared now!
I think it depends on what your job is. I was a high school English teacher, working about ten hours a day on weekdays and five each on the weekends. The last three years of that I managed to get one novel and one short per year out. In my first year of retirement, I put out two novels, one fairly long novella, and three shorts. Taking page counts into consideration, I more than tripled my output, but this year I won't have gotten quite as much done.  There are, however, people who were able to write much more in the same amount of time, even with a job.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 07, 2016, 08:13:43 AM
@Bill. Fantastic results. I seldom get any KENP. I've had a few good days, then nothing. I think the KS gods may be starting to regret passing on your book. To be honest, I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. I wonder how much heat they take for selecting books that never really take off, and for passing up books that go on to sell very well.

@Laura. I got a notification of your book this morning on my GenreCrave list. As for your blurb, I'm not sure why KS limits the length so severely, but I noticed that most books do have longer blurbs so I rewrote mine and lengthened it. I hope your new blurb helps sales. I find your cover attractive, but that doesn't mean others are wrong when they say it doesn't zero in enough on your book's storyline.
KENP takes time to build up. When the program first started, I was getting something like four borrows a month. I almost went wide with everything on the assumption that KU just wasn't worth it. For me what broke the logjam was AMS ads. Although I can't be sure exactly how many KU borrows came from the ads, as you know, I know mine became four times as frequent once the ads started, growing rather quickly to six times as frequent. Pretty soon half my income was from pages read. I've also observed that KU readers tend to read fast, in at least one case going through my whole series in a week.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 08:46:16 AM
 Kay - that's odd, I'm sure my promo is scheduled for Monday! I hate writing blurbs which is why I didn't revamp it, but I will be doing now! I love my cover, it's exactly what I imagined but apparently it doesn't say contemporary, and let's face it, they probably know more about this stuff than I do!

Bill - I work in catering, not quite as long hours as that! But I do volunteer for girlguiding as well which takes up a surprising amount of times! I figured if I don't at least try and aim high then I likely won't achieve anything!


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Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
Kay - that's odd, I'm sure my promo is scheduled for Monday! I hate writing blurbs which is why I didn't revamp it, but I will be doing now! I love my cover, it's exactly what I imagined but apparently it doesn't say contemporary, and let's face it, they probably know more about this stuff than I do!

Bill - I work in catering, not quite as long hours as that! But I do volunteer for girlguiding as well which takes up a surprising amount of times! I figured if I don't at least try and aim high then I likely won't achieve anything!


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The email I got was entitled SpecificFeeds Genre Crave and consisted of a list of various genres and sub genres with a clickable book title after each heading. Your title was listed as romance. This email list may be something completely separate from your actual promotion.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 09:21:55 AM
The email I got was entitled SpecificFeeds Genre Crave and consisted of a list of various genres and sub genres with a clickable book title after each heading. Your title was listed as romance. This email list may be something completely separate from your actual promotion.
Oh okay cool! May explain my rank going up earlier!

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Post by: Mark Gardner on December 07, 2016, 09:32:56 AM
Hey, everybody!
I'm so excited. I don't want to go into details right now, as to not jinx it, but a #1 NYT Best Selling author said he'd blurb War of the Worlds: Retaliation! I'm trying to keep my excitement in check, since my last two novel-length works were flops.
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Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 07, 2016, 09:43:12 AM
Hey, everybody!
I'm so excited. I don't want to go into details right now, as to not jinx it, but a #1 NYT Best Selling author said he'd blurb War of the Worlds: Retaliation! I'm trying to keep my excitement in check, since my last two novel-length works were flops.

Wow! Congrats! That's huge. Too bad, kindle scout.


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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 09:57:05 AM
Hey, everybody!
I'm so excited. I don't want to go into details right now, as to not jinx it, but a #1 NYT Best Selling author said he'd blurb War of the Worlds: Retaliation! I'm trying to keep my excitement in check, since my last two novel-length works were flops.

Very exciting!! Good luck!
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Post by: PatriciaThomson on December 07, 2016, 10:08:24 AM
Where will your ad appear?

It's an AMS ad running until February.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 10:10:43 AM
Yey go Mark! That's amazing! I suspect no one would fault you for being excited!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on December 07, 2016, 11:17:58 AM
Wow! Congrats! That's huge. Too bad, kindle scout.
I'm curious as to why KS passed on it, but if I had to guess, it was the same reason that Angry Robot Books, Hydra/Random House, Dimension Books, and a few others did: They didn't think two indies from Arizona could compete with a NYT Best Seller like Stephen Baxter. If my pre-orders are any indication, they were wrong :) Now I have to decide to release the audiobook with the paper and electronic on the 3rd, or continue to wait until the 19th to compete with Baxter's release...

Very exciting!! Good luck!
Fingers crossed!

Yey go Mark! That's amazing! I suspect no one would fault you for being excited!
Hey, when an "almost mid-lister" like be can wrangle a promotional blurb like this, it's hard not to be excited.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 11:25:17 AM
Just had a moment of absolute terror when my open laptop took a nose dive off the sofa and went completely black.

Fingers crossed, it all seems to be working still but man that 30 seconds was more stressful than it should have been!

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Post by: R M Rowan on December 07, 2016, 12:05:45 PM
Just had a moment of absolute terror when my open laptop took a nose dive off the sofa and went completely black.

Fingers crossed, it all seems to be working still but man that 30 seconds was more stressful than it should have been!

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Hope it doesn't start acting up! This is a BIG reminder for us all to back up in multiple places, because one second in time can destroy hundreds of hours of work. Off to back up my junk... Thank you for the kick!!
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Hope it doesn't start acting up! This is a BIG reminder for us all to back up in multiple places, because one second in time can destroy hundreds of hours of work. Off to back up my junk... Thank you for the kick!!
Me too! And yes it really is! (I just had that conversation with my Mum who was checking I'd done that!) Thankfully everything except my current WIP is backed up already, and that WIP is only a couple of thousand words strong (started it after NaNo finished) so, other than not having a laptop, it wouldn't be too bad!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 07, 2016, 12:33:06 PM
So good to see Liz and Jenny here! It's like an old school reunion!
Kathy less of the old  :o, although I admire Bill his retirement, or at least retirement from the day job. Bill can we swap KDP sales views- wow, all your hard work paying off.
I have 5 books out now and I do get sales pretty much most days but nothing like your figure.

Laura just stick to it, I enjoyed your book and others will when they find it. I'm in the same boat post nano, managed 50,000 but only 2000 in last week but things are busy this time of year with work and kids.
I got the proofs through of my Createspace kid's book and I'm trying not to be too hopeful but there's a possibility a Government agency wants to stock it (it's on school bullying and self esteem) I had to post a copy off today so they could review so fingers and toes crossed.
Mark, hope it works for you, I too was surprised you weren't picked.
I'm reading Gregs book at the moment, he self pubs tomorrow and I also don't know why he wasn't picked. It's not my usual genre but I can't put it down. Perhaps we need to set up our own publishing agency?

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Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 12:37:19 PM
Kathy less of the old  :o, although I admire Bill his retirement, or at least retirement from the day job. Bill can we swap KDP sales views- wow, all your hard work paying off.
I have 5 books out now and I do get sales pretty much most days but nothing like your figure.

Laura just stick to it, I enjoyed your book and others will when they find it. I'm in the same boat post nano, managed 50,000 but only 2000 in last week but things are busy this time of year with work and kids.
I got the proofs through of my Createspace kid's book and I'm trying not to be too hopeful but there's a possibility a Government agency wants to stock it (it's on school bullying and self esteem) I had to post a copy off today so they could review so fingers and toes crossed.
Mark, hope it works for you, I too was surprised you weren't picked.
I'm reading Gregs book at the moment, he self pubs tomorrow and I also don't know why he wasn't picked. It's not my usual genre but I can't put it down. Perhaps we need to set up our own publishing agency?

That's exciting! Good luck with your childrens' book.

I added Greg's book to my growing library today.

My Kindle Countdown promo starts tomorrow at $0.99. I'm not counting on the kind of downloads Bill got for Different Lee, but I'm hoping for some action since I spent a bundle!
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 07, 2016, 12:47:51 PM
Bill - I work in catering, not quite as long hours as that! But I do volunteer for girlguiding as well which takes up a surprising amount of times! I figured if I don't at least try and aim high then I likely won't achieve anything!
One good thing about self publishing is that you set your own schedule. If you're shooting for four books a year and do three, that's not really a big deal.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 07, 2016, 12:49:27 PM
Hey, when an "almost mid-lister" like be can wrangle a promotional blurb like this, it's hard not to be excited.
Congratulations! I'd be unable to contain my excitement in such a situation.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 12:59:43 PM
Jenny - thank you so much! It helps hearing things like that! And that's fantastic news on your children's book, i'll have my fingers crossed for you!

Bill - yes exactly! At the moment it *seems* doable, if only cause I have  a draft in the bag. But I have so many stories rattling around in my head that I need 4 a year just to get them our!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 07, 2016, 01:13:35 PM
I got the proofs through of my Createspace kid's book and I'm trying not to be too hopeful but there's a possibility a Government agency wants to stock it (it's on school bullying and self esteem) I had to post a copy off today so they could review so fingers and toes crossed.
That's really great! Government agencies tend to like to deal with trad publishers, so the interest indicates they must really like your book.

I may have the same thing on a minor scale. I'm currently engaged in writing a mythology text suitable for fourteen-year-old honors students at the request of my former colleagues. Strangely enough, Edith Hamilton wasn't writing for that age range, and they struggle with her book. I taught the class involved for years, and I've searched that whole time for a substitute text. Everything is either focused only on a small range of myths, so not comprehensive enough, or too detailed and scholarly (Robert Graves's The Greek Myths at 783 pages!), or a kiddie book that isn't scholarly enough for high school and/or denatures the myths so far it isn't worth it. When I was visiting a department meeting a couple of months back, my ex-colleagues suggested (perhaps jokingly) that I write a book that would work. I asked later if they actually wanted one, they were thrilled with the idea, I got a more official thumbs up, after a two-chapter sample, and I've been working on it ever since.

It's based on an interesting concept: a group of students fall asleep while cramming for a mythology test and wake up in a dream world in which the mythological characters are real. They learn the myths from the mythological figures themselves. The context obviously involves some modern fiction, but the characters are true to the original sources, as are the myths they retell. (Early on the most obnoxious of the students gets turned into a dog by Hera, then is abducted just as Hera is about to relent. The rest of the book is built around a quest to find him, which takes the students, with Hermes as their guide, all around the mythological world and gives them a chance to meet everyone as they search for clues.

There are two drawbacks. First, the book will be used in one school. Most districts don't want to deal with self-published material, and I have no inclination to go through what it would take to get a major publisher interested. Second, even though I know mythology, I meticulously research every element to make sure I get it right, which makes the process slow. I have three other projects I should be working on, but all my time goes to this one, which has an actual deadline. Sigh! Still, it will be good to solve a problem for my ex-colleagues.
(http://www.billhiatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Mythology-Cover-Small-Size.jpg)
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 07, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
Bill - yes exactly! At the moment it *seems* doable, if only cause I have  a draft in the bag. But I have so many stories rattling around in my head that I need 4 a year just to get them our!
Yeah, totally know that feeling!

By the way, for whatever it's worth, I totally love your current cover. I don't really see what the problem with it is.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 07, 2016, 01:21:01 PM
Yeah, totally know that feeling!

By the way, for whatever it's worth, I totally love your current cover. I don't really see what the problem with it is.
Thought you might!

That's great on the mythology book! (Even if it is taking your time up!) You'll be able to market it as fiction on amazon too right?

Thank you, I do love the cover, it is what I wanted! But as far as I can tell, the issue is that it's not a subdued colour with a half naked man on it, which seems to be the norm. I didn't ask for that kind of image in the first place because I thought it would be misleading! (Oh and a couple of people said they thought it looked like a paranormal cover) I've changed my blurb now and I'm going to see how that goes!  After all having a cover that's different *could* work to my advantage at some point.

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 07, 2016, 01:25:23 PM
That's really great! Government agencies tend to like to deal with trad publishers, so the interest indicates they must really like your book.

I may have the same thing on a minor scale. I'm currently engaged in writing a mythology text suitable for fourteen-year-old honors students at the request of my former colleagues. Strangely enough, Edith Hamilton wasn't writing for that age range, and they struggle with her book. I taught the class involved for years, and I've searched that whole time for a substitute text. Everything is either focused only on a small range of myths, so not comprehensive enough, or too detailed and scholarly (Robert Graves's The Greek Myths at 783 pages!), or a kiddie book that isn't scholarly enough for high school and/or denatures the myths so far it isn't worth it. When I was visiting a department meeting a couple of months back, my ex-colleagues suggested (perhaps jokingly) that I write a book that would work. I asked later if they actually wanted one, they were thrilled with the idea, I got a more official thumbs up, after a two-chapter sample, and I've been working on it ever since.

It's based on an interesting concept: a group of students fall asleep while cramming for a mythology test and wake up in a dream world in which the mythological characters are real. They learn the myths from the mythological figures themselves. The context obviously involves some modern fiction, but the characters are true to the original sources, as are the myths they retell. (Early on the most obnoxious of the students gets turned into a dog by Hera, then is abducted just as Hera is about to relent. The rest of the book is built around a quest to find him, which takes the students, with Hermes as their guide, all around the mythological world and gives them a chance to meet everyone as they search for clues.

There are two drawbacks. First, the book will be used in one school. Most districts don't want to deal with self-published material, and I have no inclination to go through what it would take to get a major publisher interested. Second, even though I know mythology, I meticulously research every element to make sure I get it right, which makes the process slow. I have three other projects I should be working on, but all my time goes to this one, which has an actual deadline. Sigh! Still, it will be good to solve a problem for my ex-colleagues.
(http://www.billhiatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Mythology-Cover-Small-Size.jpg)
i think you're on to something Bill, over in the UK they teach that to age 11-12 year olds,
 ( my two are apparent experts by they way they keep telling me about different Gods). If you could get it about and with your teaching contacts... I should really crack on with my kids sequel, which I'm half way through but I'll wait to see what happens, I've had too many rejections to have any real optimism in anything other than my own efforts with regards to writing.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 07, 2016, 01:26:15 PM
That's exciting! Good luck with your childrens' book.

I added Greg's book to my growing library today.

My Kindle Countdown promo starts tomorrow at $0.99. I'm not counting on the kind of downloads Bill got for Different Lee, but I'm hoping for some action since I spent a bundle!
Good luck Kay, I'll share for you tomorrow
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Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 07, 2016, 01:34:08 PM
I just received the email from Kindle Scout for Liz's book being available.

QUESTION: Does that email generate any sales? Anyone have thoughts on that?

Thanks!
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 01:43:54 PM
That's really great! Government agencies tend to like to deal with trad publishers, so the interest indicates they must really like your book.

I may have the same thing on a minor scale. I'm currently engaged in writing a mythology text suitable for fourteen-year-old honors students at the request of my former colleagues. Strangely enough, Edith Hamilton wasn't writing for that age range, and they struggle with her book. I taught the class involved for years, and I've searched that whole time for a substitute text. Everything is either focused only on a small range of myths, so not comprehensive enough, or too detailed and scholarly (Robert Graves's The Greek Myths at 783 pages!), or a kiddie book that isn't scholarly enough for high school and/or denatures the myths so far it isn't worth it. When I was visiting a department meeting a couple of months back, my ex-colleagues suggested (perhaps jokingly) that I write a book that would work. I asked later if they actually wanted one, they were thrilled with the idea, I got a more official thumbs up, after a two-chapter sample, and I've been working on it ever since.

It's based on an interesting concept: a group of students fall asleep while cramming for a mythology test and wake up in a dream world in which the mythological characters are real. They learn the myths from the mythological figures themselves. The context obviously involves some modern fiction, but the characters are true to the original sources, as are the myths they retell. (Early on the most obnoxious of the students gets turned into a dog by Hera, then is abducted just as Hera is about to relent. The rest of the book is built around a quest to find him, which takes the students, with Hermes as their guide, all around the mythological world and gives them a chance to meet everyone as they search for clues.

There are two drawbacks. First, the book will be used in one school. Most districts don't want to deal with self-published material, and I have no inclination to go through what it would take to get a major publisher interested. Second, even though I know mythology, I meticulously research every element to make sure I get it right, which makes the process slow. I have three other projects I should be working on, but all my time goes to this one, which has an actual deadline. Sigh! Still, it will be good to solve a problem for my ex-colleagues.
(http://www.billhiatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Mythology-Cover-Small-Size.jpg)

I love the idea and the cover art is fantastic. I would read this book!!!
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 01:52:42 PM
Good luck Kay, I'll share for you tomorrow

Thanks!

I plan to post a heads-up on FB tonight, alerting my friends that Beyond the Forest will be on sale tomorrow for less than a cup of coffee. Then in the morning I'll post the official notification with the buying link, and I hope they'll be ready to get a copy and share my post with their FB friends.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 01:57:07 PM
I just received the email from Kindle Scout for Liz's book being available.

QUESTION: Does that email generate any sales? Anyone have thoughts on that?

Thanks!

We discuss this question frequently. A few people report it has definitely boosted sales. Others, including myself, found it to be little to no help. My advice is to expect nothing, and be pleasantly surprised if KS generates some sales.
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Post by: RWhite7699 on December 07, 2016, 02:12:38 PM
Kathy less of the old  :o, although I admire Bill his retirement, or at least retirement from the day job. Bill can we swap KDP sales views- wow, all your hard work paying off.
I have 5 books out now and I do get sales pretty much most days but nothing like your figure.

Laura just stick to it, I enjoyed your book and others will when they find it. I'm in the same boat post nano, managed 50,000 but only 2000 in last week but things are busy this time of year with work and kids.
I got the proofs through of my Createspace kid's book and I'm trying not to be too hopeful but there's a possibility a Government agency wants to stock it (it's on school bullying and self esteem) I had to post a copy off today so they could review so fingers and toes crossed.
Mark, hope it works for you, I too was surprised you weren't picked.
I'm reading Gregs book at the moment, he self pubs tomorrow and I also don't know why he wasn't picked. It's not my usual genre but I can't put it down. Perhaps we need to set up our own publishing agency?


Or our own book promotion site. They are making more money than all of us put together. We have Bill Hiatt and Lincoln Cole as our experts. Maybe they will give it a try and pull the rest of us along?
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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 07, 2016, 02:22:50 PM

Or our own book promotion site. They are making more money than all of us put together. We have Bill Hiatt and Lincoln Cole as our experts. Maybe they will give it a try and pull the rest of us along?
Good idea, Bill?
Add thank you Ruth  :-*
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Post by: Mark Gardner on December 07, 2016, 02:41:02 PM
Congratulations! I'd be unable to contain my excitement in such a situation.
I'm looking forward to reading your review. Have you started yet?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 07, 2016, 04:24:13 PM
I discovered that Kindle Countdown deals don't include Canada at all, and while the UK can be included, you have to set up a separate Countdown campaign. Too bad I learned this belatedly, today.

I called customer support since I couldn't view my campaign and they confirmed that I hadn't set up the UK. It's too late to make it start tomorrow concurrent with the US promo, so the best I could do was schedule it for the 9th. The reason I'm a bit panicky is I can't remember how many (if any) of the promos I booked include the UK as well as the US. If I remember right, I may have noted that my book would be discounted in the US and the UK, (and possibly Canada, which will be a problem, since apparently Canada is NOT included in the countdown). I should have done better research. I don't want promo services banning me from future bookings because my book wasn't discounted where I claimed it would be.
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Post by: LizHedgecock on December 08, 2016, 01:40:30 AM
Morning!
Quietly pleased with yesterday's launch of A House Of Mirrors. 2 sales (I think in the UK) before the KS email went out, and 5 US ones afterwards. I've launched at $2.99 so impressed that people have gone for it. According to my Booklinker dashboard, 72 people clicked the link yesterday; 43 US, 25 UK.
2 reviews up already, 1 UK, 1 US (thanks to the ARCs) - both 5 stars!
I also spent time yesterday adding the book shortlink to all my previous books, and put the first chapter in the back of my 99p offering, which does quite well on sales and KU.
Might try a promo or two now - thanks Bill and everyone else who's posted what they've used, I have a big list to work through!

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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 08, 2016, 03:11:26 AM
Morning!
Quietly pleased with yesterday's launch of A House Of Mirrors. 2 sales (I think in the UK) before the KS email went out, and 5 US ones afterwards. I've launched at $2.99 so impressed that people have gone for it. According to my Booklinker dashboard, 72 people clicked the link yesterday; 43 US, 25 UK.
2 reviews up already, 1 UK, 1 US (thanks to the ARCs) - both 5 stars!
I also spent time yesterday adding the book shortlink to all my previous books, and put the first chapter in the back of my 99p offering, which does quite well on sales and KU.
Might try a promo or two now - thanks Bill and everyone else who's posted what they've used, I have a big list to work through!
That's great Liz, will have to check Booklinker, I'm hopeless at this marketing stuff. I also need to read all the previous posts, no time to write though  :o
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Post by: KCecala on December 08, 2016, 04:52:48 AM
Morning!
Quietly pleased with yesterday's launch of A House Of Mirrors. 2 sales (I think in the UK) before the KS email went out, and 5 US ones afterwards. I've launched at $2.99 so impressed that people have gone for it. According to my Booklinker dashboard, 72 people clicked the link yesterday; 43 US, 25 UK.
2 reviews up already, 1 UK, 1 US (thanks to the ARCs) - both 5 stars!
I also spent time yesterday adding the book shortlink to all my previous books, and put the first chapter in the back of my 99p offering, which does quite well on sales and KU.
Might try a promo or two now - thanks Bill and everyone else who's posted what they've used, I have a big list to work through!


That's great Liz! And love those ARCs--I actually got a great four-star (on Goodreads) my first day out. From a complete stranger, LOL! But I'm convinced it resulted from my Scout campaign since it had only been on NetGalley a few days. Otherwise the KS thing wasn't much benefit at all...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 08, 2016, 06:43:50 AM
Morning!
Quietly pleased with yesterday's launch of A House Of Mirrors. 2 sales (I think in the UK) before the KS email went out, and 5 US ones afterwards. I've launched at $2.99 so impressed that people have gone for it. According to my Booklinker dashboard, 72 people clicked the link yesterday; 43 US, 25 UK.
2 reviews up already, 1 UK, 1 US (thanks to the ARCs) - both 5 stars!
I also spent time yesterday adding the book shortlink to all my previous books, and put the first chapter in the back of my 99p offering, which does quite well on sales and KU.
Might try a promo or two now - thanks Bill and everyone else who's posted what they've used, I have a big list to work through!

Good start! Wishing you continued success!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 08, 2016, 07:04:58 AM
Today marks my first attempt at a Kindle Countdown deal, and I'll share my mistakes so none of you will repeat them!

1. Unbeknown to me, you can manually set the start time of your Countdown. If you don't notice that there's a dropdown menu and set it to a different time, apparently the default time is 8:00 AM Pacific time. Obviously, this is too late, as many promo newsletters go out super early in the morning. Your discount needs to be in place before the newsletters go out, or you risk your promo being cancelled.

2. There are also default settings if you structure your countdown deal to have more than one price level. I selected a seven-day Countdown, with two price levels--beginning at $0.99 and shifting to $1.99. The default setup was a price change midday on the third day of my campaign, creating 3.5 days at each price point. I suspect I could have manually altered this as well, but I didn't attempt to. I simply avoided booking any promos on that date, since I couldn't advertise two different prices.

3. Canada is NOT included in your countdown, only the US. I knew the UK could be included in Countdowns, and I thought that happened automatically. NOT!!! If you want to have a Countdown in the UK, you have to set up a second campaign. I discovered this too late to make the timing coincide with my US deal, but I have it starting tomorrow (I think it begins at 8 AM GST). Don't ask me what time that converts to compared to Eastern, and no doubt I should have manually adjusted that time as well, so it would start earlier. 

Next time, I'll be an old pro at this. Usually when computer programs have a default setting, you're best off using the default setting. Not so with Amazon! The only good thing about making hideous mistakes is that you aren't quick to forget the lessons you learned!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 08, 2016, 07:25:41 AM
We discuss this question frequently. A few people report it has definitely boosted sales. Others, including myself, found it to be little to no help. My advice is to expect nothing, and be pleasantly surprised if KS generates some sales.
It seems to have had an effect for me. As you say, the outcome varies significantly.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 08, 2016, 07:27:27 AM
I'm looking forward to reading your review. Have you started yet?
Sadly, I'm bogged down right now with the project I mentioned upthread--on which I'm well behind the original deadline, so unfortunately it may be a while.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 08, 2016, 07:30:45 AM
Good idea, Bill?
Add thank you Ruth  :-*
Working out cross promotion among ourselves wouldn't be hard. Running our own promo site, if it were even remotely successful, would require someone working at least part-time just on that. I don't think any of us have that kind of time.

By the way, I'm flattered by Ruth's remark, but I wouldn't put myself in the same class as Lincoln as far as data and experience are concerned.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 08, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
So far the results of my multiple promos are pretty dismal. I realize I lost a few hours because the Countdown didn't kick in until 11:00 Eastern. Is it typical to get most of the sales in the morning when the newsletters go out? Or in the evening when people get home from work?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LizHedgecock on December 09, 2016, 01:43:01 AM
So far the results of my multiple promos are pretty dismal. I realize I lost a few hours because the Countdown didn't kick in until 11:00 Eastern. Is it typical to get most of the sales in the morning when the newsletters go out? Or in the evening when people get home from work?

I did a Countdown a while back and wasn't impressed - no listing on the countdown page, and no ticking clock on the book listing. I probably wouldn't bother again.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on December 09, 2016, 01:56:02 AM
So far the results of my multiple promos are pretty dismal. I realize I lost a few hours because the Countdown didn't kick in until 11:00 Eastern. Is it typical to get most of the sales in the morning when the newsletters go out? Or in the evening when people get home from work?
Don't feel bad. When I launched, I lined up a bunch of promos. The ones I didn't pay for, I don't think even promoted my book, and the others didn't give much of a return. Think I was selling one book a day, other than the first day when I got around four or seven, can't remember which.  Bargainbooksy did the best for me, moving twenty copies. Genre Crave had their system down during my scheduled promo date, so they returned the money, but I'd rather them have promoted the book. ENT turned me down. My Book Cave or whatever it's called turned me down for not having reviews despite entering it in the new release section.

So yeah, somewhat of a let down for the release. I just keep telling myself "Well, I think it's pretty good..."

Back to the drawing board I guess!  :-X
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Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 09, 2016, 02:24:21 AM
ENT (12/2) brought in an estimated 63 sales, Kindle Book Review (12/3-12/4) brought in 23, Genre Crave (12/5) 24. Pages read went up each of those days. For a few days DL has been hovering between 5,000 and 6,000 (top 100 in all three genres), and there was no sudden drop after 30. Now that there are no active promos until 12/13, it will be interesting to see how well the books sustains its momentum.

Bargainbooksy did the best for me, moving twenty copies. Genre Crave had their system down during my scheduled promo date, so they returned the money, but I'd rather them have promoted the book. ENT turned me down. My Book Cave or whatever it's called turned me down for not having reviews despite entering it in the new release section.

Thanks for the insight. My release date is the 16th for the Kindle version of my novel. I want to do some promotion, but not a ton. Knowing what sights give some return are great. If anyone else has any super secret EFFECTIVE promotional sites, please share. ;-)
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 09, 2016, 06:30:37 AM
So far the results of my multiple promos are pretty dismal. I realize I lost a few hours because the Countdown didn't kick in until 11:00 Eastern. Is it typical to get most of the sales in the morning when the newsletters go out? Or in the evening when people get home from work?
I've seen it go both ways, but I think, at least on a work day, that the reaction tends to build during the day rather than being mostly in the morning. On the weekend, you're more likely to see a big burst when the newsletter goes out.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 09, 2016, 06:32:10 AM
I did a Countdown a while back and wasn't impressed - no listing on the countdown page, and no ticking clock on the book listing. I probably wouldn't bother again.

If you didn't see the ticking clock and your book among the Countdown deals, there was something wrong and your deal wasn't "Live." My product page shows a price slash through $3.99, and the new price of $0.99 in red. The countdown clock is counting down the time until my price moves up to $1.99 on Sunday.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 09, 2016, 06:33:25 AM
Don't feel bad. When I launched, I lined up a bunch of promos. The ones I didn't pay for, I don't think even promoted my book, and the others didn't give much of a return. Think I was selling one book a day, other than the first day when I got around four or seven, can't remember which.  Bargainbooksy did the best for me, moving twenty copies. Genre Crave had their system down during my scheduled promo date, so they returned the money, but I'd rather them have promoted the book. ENT turned me down. My Book Cave or whatever it's called turned me down for not having reviews despite entering it in the new release section.

So yeah, somewhat of a let down for the release. I just keep telling myself "Well, I think it's pretty good..."

Back to the drawing board I guess!  :-X
Sometimes books start slowly and then build. Don't be too discouraged. Yeah, it would have been great if it had taken off right away, but I've seen books pick up steam after they've been out for a while.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 09, 2016, 06:38:26 AM
Don't feel bad. When I launched, I lined up a bunch of promos. The ones I didn't pay for, I don't think even promoted my book, and the others didn't give much of a return. Think I was selling one book a day, other than the first day when I got around four or seven, can't remember which.  Bargainbooksy did the best for me, moving twenty copies. Genre Crave had their system down during my scheduled promo date, so they returned the money, but I'd rather them have promoted the book. ENT turned me down. My Book Cave or whatever it's called turned me down for not having reviews despite entering it in the new release section.

So yeah, somewhat of a let down for the release. I just keep telling myself "Well, I think it's pretty good..."

Back to the drawing board I guess!  :-X

It's strange that sites claiming they accept new releases without reviews turned you down. I would have been angry! I ran a BargainBooksy promo with my book at full price, so I didn't get many sales. It's interesting to observe my sales rank now vs. that promo at full price. I had theorized at the time that selling fewer books at $3.99 affected my sales rank as much as having a bunch of sales at $0.99, and this appears top be true judging by my current results.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 09, 2016, 06:54:42 AM
Yesterdays promos and results:

Bookoftheday.org - Free to advertise and the presentation was very attractive

BookRaid - cost per click with a max of $10 and I think a minimum of $2.00. I believe they say if you get less than $2.00 worth of clicks there's no charge. I didn't see my book on their website yesterday, so maybe they only have a newsletter, which I didn't subscribe to. My mistake if so. I really didn't research this site adequately.

Bookzio - $19  I verified that my listing appeared. It looked attractive.

FreeDiscountedBooks - $8.00  I verified my listing here. It looked very nice.

BookLoversHeaven- $5.00 Verified and attractive.

EBookHabit- $10  My book did NOT appear on their website. I wrote to them via their "contact" form. We'll see if they reply. Possibly the omission was due to my own screw-up on the start time of my Kindle Countdown deal, but it would have been nice if they had notified me.

I had scheduled MyBookCave and ReadingDeals for yesterday as well and when my price reduction didn't come through in time, both contacted me and graciously moved my promos to today. I am VERY grateful for this.

Results: Nine sales by bedtime and two when I checked in the wee hours of the morning, around 1:30 AM Eastern. Eleven sales for all those promos is pretty lame, especially since I posted my promo on FB and at least two people reported buying my book.

I'm showing eight sales for today so far, and since most of the newsletters haven't gone out yet, I can probably attribute the sales to yesterday's promos. One of today's sales is a KBoarder who notified me on FB that he had purchased.

Today's lineup includes the bulk of my promotions for this Countdown deal. I have: MyBookCave, ReadingDeals, ENT, SweetFreeBooks, BookPebble, Booktastic, ManyBooks, and eBookChristian.

Wish me luck!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on December 09, 2016, 07:15:56 AM
Sometimes books start slowly and then build. Don't be too discouraged. Yeah, it would have been great if it had taken off right away, but I've seen books pick up steam after they've been out for a while.
I was a little discouraged because I spent so much time researching promotions and such and spent more money than I have, but that disappointment has faded to a new one hahaha. From all the ones I entered, I subscribed to many of them. What's discouraging is seeing all the books for free or .99 cents. I'm guilty of grabbing a bunch of the free ones. Based on my own behavior, I'm wondering why people are going to buy books when so many authors are giving them away for free. That realization is frustrating in that it's a new puzzle to solve. I realize why the authors do this, to take a hit to get readers hooked, but I feel the market is becoming saturated with "free."

I also thought I would have figured out my genre by now too. It seemed so easy before I started. I keep using Elmore Leonard as an example - he didn't really fit tidily into one genre either. Somewhere in suspense/ mystery and thriller, but there's not too many books in those genres that have humor in them. Everyone's so damn serious! Arguably the greatest film noir of all time, Double Indemnity, had quite a few funny parts in it!

But I digress. I hope the ones that bought the book dig it and become fans. Like I said upthread, I think it's a pretty rad book. I'm still new to this, only started doing it seriously since the summer, so I'm still trying to find readers. I gave myself a day to be discouraged, then went back to life. I got another book ready to submit to Scout (as soon as I can do a cover I like, not my strong suit), formatted it for paperback, and am writing another one.

I cling to the hope that readers will find me!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: LizHedgecock on December 09, 2016, 10:27:26 AM
If you didn't see the ticking clock and your book among the Countdown deals, there was something wrong and your deal wasn't "Live." My product page shows a price slash through $3.99, and the new price of $0.99 in red. The countdown clock is counting down the time until my price moves up to $1.99 on Sunday.

Maybe...my KDP page did say the deal was live. Maybe it's because I ran it in the US that I couldn't see it in the UK. Ah well...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 09, 2016, 10:52:29 AM
Maybe...my KDP page did say the deal was live. Maybe it's because I ran it in the US that I couldn't see it in the UK. Ah well...

Yes that very well could be the answer. I had to set up two separate Countdowns. I haven't tried to look for my U.K. Product page. The Countdown should have started at 8AM GMT. 
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: amiblackwelder on December 09, 2016, 01:58:01 PM
Congrats Liz! I'm facing the same Holiday-time launch. I wish you a ton of luck! BTW - I voted for you, but don't recall getting an email from Kindle Scout yet that your book is available.

I've seen your book up, it looks good. At least different from all the vampire and zombies hoopla.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: amiblackwelder on December 09, 2016, 02:43:03 PM
Woo Hoo! I'm an official member of this thread!  Rejected by Kindle Scout yesterday.  (I'm trying to stay positive, can you tell?). This thread is wonderful and I'm glad I'm not alone.

I'm shooting for a December 16th release of my novel. I'm going to be so happy to call it "done".  Phew. It was a long ride. I put it up for pre release as I finalize a few things in the document. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXTGIZL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480727217&sr=8-1&keywords=love+lies+clones



I thought your book looked interesting, more than most up there. Too bad, they didn't pick you.

Anyone willing to support a HeadTalker campaign? I don't know if it will do much -- has anyone had luck with HeadTalker? I tried for the Kindle Scout campaign and don't know if I had many link clicks. Here's the link: https://headtalker.com/campaigns/pre-order-love-lies-clones/

Anyway, Thanks everyone for this thread and sharing your struggles and triumphs. I've been watching for a while.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 09, 2016, 02:56:47 PM
Midday report on my promos. Success! Sales are finally kicking into gear. Yesterday, I started off the morning with a sales rank of 220,992, and the last time I looked I'm at 4,809! That's a pretty big drop. I doubt I'll get "sticky" but I'm hoping my book will get more attention, and the majority who buy it will read and review it.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 09, 2016, 03:15:48 PM
Midday report on my promos. Success! Sales are finally kicking into gear. Yesterday, I started off the morning with a sales rank of 220,992, and the last time I looked I'm at 4,809! That's a pretty big drop. I doubt I'll get "sticky" but I'm hoping my book will get more attention, and the majority who buy it will read and review it.
Yey! That's great news Kay :-)

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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 10, 2016, 01:27:39 AM
Yey! That's great news Kay :-)

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Great results Kay, what do you think worked best? Just bought your book and Joynell's and look forward to reading both over Christmas when hopefully I'll have more time. Still haven't done  any promos but going to get some business cards printed
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 10, 2016, 02:48:28 AM
Great results Kay, what do you think worked best? Just bought your book and Joynell's and look forward to reading both over Christmas when hopefully I'll have more time. Still haven't done  any promos but going to get some business cards printed

Kay -- I'm interested in knowing this too.
Jenny -- thanks for the support ;-) I also hear bookmarks work well--with a Q-code linking directly to your amazon page. The library's will be happy to have them and hand them out.

Okay, I have the million dollar question. I see most your books are priced at 99 cents. I wanted to up mine, after the pre-order time, to $2.99. It'll be less sales... maybe none? But it may be an incentive to up the KU page reads?

I dunno. There's a million threads on this. I just thought I'd ask the advice of my friends here.

Oh, and Chameleon's wasn't accepted???? How is this possible?
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 10, 2016, 03:38:40 AM
Kay -- I'm interested in knowing this too.
Jenny -- thanks for the support ;-) I also hear bookmarks work well--with a Q-code linking directly to your amazon page. The library's will be happy to have them and hand them out.

Okay, I have the million dollar question. I see most your books are priced at 99 cents. I wanted to up mine, after the pre-order time, to $2.99. It'll be less sales... maybe none? But it may be an incentive to up the KU page reads?

I dunno. There's a million threads on this. I just thought I'd ask the advice of my friends here.

Oh, and Chameleon's wasn't accepted???? How is this possible?
Mm, I've looked at bookmarks and even mocked up one on PowerPoint. I might get some for my kids book as it's going into our local library (or at least I hope it is, I haven't actually asked them lol)
My Ideal Girl Trilogy was priced 99' 1.99 and 2.99. I sold lots of the first, and funnily enough equal of the other two with the third obvs making more money but I went through a sales slump that coincided with both KS and Nano so I just thought to hell with it and reduced them to all the same. I work and writing is a hobby until I make enough for it not to be so I'm more for building up a customer base than making any money at the moment if that makes sense.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 10, 2016, 04:10:44 AM
I just thought to hell with it and reduced them to all the same.

Did this fix your sales slump?


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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 10, 2016, 04:40:06 AM
Did this fix your sales slump?


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I think it will be short lived but yes. Remember though I've just published EIP so that's an extra influence. In financial terms KS was disasterous because I couldn't promote my current titles and KS at the same time simply because there wasn't enough hours in the day. The benefits are more subtle, writer support, info about marketing etc
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 10, 2016, 05:39:02 AM
Kay -- I'm interested in knowing this too.
Jenny -- thanks for the support ;-) I also hear bookmarks work well--with a Q-code linking directly to your amazon page. The library's will be happy to have them and hand them out.

Okay, I have the million dollar question. I see most your books are priced at 99 cents. I wanted to up mine, after the pre-order time, to $2.99. It'll be less sales... maybe none? But it may be an incentive to up the KU page reads?

I dunno. There's a million threads on this. I just thought I'd ask the advice of my friends here.

Oh, and Chameleon's wasn't accepted???? How is this possible?
I plan on increasing my price to 2.99 in January Joynell. I don't have anything out that can help sell WLBM so I figured I'd attempt to go for volume in the first month.

So far it's not working.

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 10, 2016, 05:58:24 AM
I know some of you have supported already (and thank you!!!!) but could you guys help me reach my target on Headtalker? I'm still 8 people off what I need for it to go live!

https://headtalker.com/campaigns/0-99-what-lies-beneath-the-ma/

Oh also, keep forgetting to mention that I managed to get a tour with Obsessive Pimpettes (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe-GVE6oCFnld9DUTx0GPonNwpU8BhSzgMr9y4a91ph4yJLIQ/viewform?c=0&w=1)

It's free, and while I'm not expecting to get any sales or anything (I think it's probably unlikely, especially as blog tours have been proved to have lost effectiveness at some point in the past two years), last time I did a tour with them I did manage to get some good reviews, including three reviews who have since stuck with me and reviewed my other books, so fingers crossed it pays off!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: KCecala on December 10, 2016, 06:06:42 AM
I plan on increasing my price to 2.99 in January Joynell. I don't have anything out that can help sell WLBM so I figured I'd attempt to go for volume in the first month.

So far it's not working.



. I feel December lately is a difficult time for sales--that's why I went on vacation and put off the promotions till January. I have my ARCs out and that's enough for me. But I'm in an undefined kind of genre so for me it's more of a slow build. Five years ago, when I was releasing The Raven Girl, December was a terrific month for selling, my best ever. But times have changed...
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 10, 2016, 06:13:31 AM
I know some of you have supported already (and thank you!!!!) but could you guys help me reach my target on Headtalker? I'm still 8 people off what I need for it to go live!

https://headtalker.com/campaigns/0-99-what-lies-beneath-the-ma/


Done! Good luck.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 10, 2016, 06:15:01 AM
Great results Kay, what do you think worked best? Just bought your book and Joynell's and look forward to reading both over Christmas when hopefully I'll have more time. Still haven't done  any promos but going to get some business cards printed

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it! I'll be posting an update on my promo results in a few minutes.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 10, 2016, 06:19:19 AM
. I feel December lately is a difficult time for sales--that's why I went on vacation and put off the promotions till January. I have my ARCs out and that's enough for me. But I'm in an undefined kind of genre so for me it's more of a slow build. Five years ago, when I was releasing The Raven Girl, December was a terrific month for selling, my best ever. But times have changed...
Tbh a lot has gone on in the larger scale of things in the past 6 months or so! While books are at the forefront of our minds, I doubt they are for none authors! Plus people are probably focused on their Christmas shopping!

Well I am kind of floundering around trying to work out what I'm doing...so bad sales are to be expected! It's still outsold either of my previous published works (at least based on the radio silence payments I get from the publisher!)

However, i've decided not to worry. The genre that's more comfortable for me is definitely the offshoots of sci-fi and fantasy, so realistically WLBM is never going to be a massive seller for me. It was just a story in my head that needed to be put to paper to get it out of there, as well as being a weird kind of therapy for me myself!

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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 10, 2016, 06:19:30 AM
Done! Good luck.
Thank you!

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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 10, 2016, 06:20:41 AM
Kay -- I'm interested in knowing this too.
Jenny -- thanks for the support ;-) I also hear bookmarks work well--with a Q-code linking directly to your amazon page. The library's will be happy to have them and hand them out.

Okay, I have the million dollar question. I see most your books are priced at 99 cents. I wanted to up mine, after the pre-order time, to $2.99. It'll be less sales... maybe none? But it may be an incentive to up the KU page reads?

I dunno. There's a million threads on this. I just thought I'd ask the advice of my friends here.

Oh, and Chameleon's wasn't accepted???? How is this possible?

My book is normally $3.99. I'm sure $0.99 books sell better but in many cases people leave them on their Kindles and don't read them for months or years. I'm guilty of that. When people spend $3.99 on a book they're more likely to be serious about reading it--and hopefully I get more reviews. 





Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 10, 2016, 06:35:26 AM
Kay -- I'm interested in knowing this too.
Jenny -- thanks for the support ;-) I also hear bookmarks work well--with a Q-code linking directly to your amazon page. The library's will be happy to have them and hand them out.

Okay, I have the million dollar question. I see most your books are priced at 99 cents. I wanted to up mine, after the pre-order time, to $2.99. It'll be less sales... maybe none? But it may be an incentive to up the KU page reads?

I dunno. There's a million threads on this. I just thought I'd ask the advice of my friends here.

Oh, and Chameleon's wasn't accepted???? How is this possible?
My intro price of $.99 has been up for so long mostly because of the way the promos spread out.  After December 13, when the last one occurs, I'll go up to $2.99 right away. Some of the promoters would take a book priced at $2.99, but being the only book priced that high in a promo email isn't likely to move a lot of copies.

I know there is a theory that higher prices will attract more KU attention, but I haven't found this to be true. My first book in my first series, permacheap at $.99, is normally my best selling title (partly no doubt because it is the first one in a series), and it's also the most frequently borrowed. the $.99 price is not scaring anyone away.

On the KDP forums there are a lot of people preaching at the extremes. One group thinks that no book should ever be lower than $2.99, and preferably higher. (Demographically, this group is mostly people trying to make a living at writing, so their attitude is in some ways understandable.) Another group thinks an author should do regular promotions and price a lot of things at $.99. (This group is mostly hobbyists looking to get the books out to as many people as possible, irrespective of profit.)

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. As a writer getting started, the name of the game is audience size. Readers who get hooked on a writer will pay more down the road, but they might not have tried the author in the first place at $5.99. The reader who gets hooked at $.99 could buy a lot of full-priced books as time goes on. (Businesses have used the concept of the loss leader and the special sale for years with success, so I don't buy the theory that doing that somehow devalues our work.) Not also that even trad published books can drive people away if they are priced too high, as last year's drop in trad ebook sales demonstrated.

On the other hand, as a writer gains a larger following, there is somewhat less need for loss leaders and sales. A few still follow that pattern and have a huge volume--I know one person who sells everything at $.99 and makes about $30,000 a year in sales without even counting KU revenues. Most people probably do better pricing their work somewhat higher, and with a large and enthusiastic enough audience, they can.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 10, 2016, 06:38:26 AM
Midday report on my promos. Success! Sales are finally kicking into gear. Yesterday, I started off the morning with a sales rank of 220,992, and the last time I looked I'm at 4,809! That's a pretty big drop. I doubt I'll get "sticky" but I'm hoping my book will get more attention, and the majority who buy it will read and review it.
Aha! You never know when things will start moving faster, but perseverance usually pays off.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 10, 2016, 06:46:47 AM
It's impossible to say which promo sold the most books yesterday, but the ones people generally say produced good results, such as ENT, were probably responsible for most of my sales. The lowest sales rank I achieved last night was 2902 with 67 sales. Considering how many promos I had running, and what I spent, this isn't stellar results, but it was still exciting. I don't expect to better that today since I'll be competing with big name authors who routinely sell dozens of books a day.

Here's what I had running yesterday:

MyBookCave - $15
Reading Deals - $29
ENT - $30
SweetFreeBooks - $7
Book Pebble - Free
Booktastic - $10
ManyBooks - $19
eBookChristian - $5.50

I verified all of these sites to make sure my book appeared and they all had attractive presentations. My book was at the top on most of the sites, or if grouped with books in rows, on the first row. Maybe they liked my cover art. :-)

The promo that was MIA on Thursday (eBooksHabit) is being shifted to today, and as it turns out, it was my fault it didn't run since my Countdown deal started too late in the morning. If you didn't read my post about how I screwed up with the Coundown start time, please scroll back and learn from my mistakes!

I have seven sales so far today, and I'm not sure if today's promo newsletters have gone out yet, so these sales could be carry-over from yesterday. It's hard to say.

Today I have eBooksHabit, Ebook Betty, and EreaderIQ.

Tomorrow I have no promotions scheduled, and the price of my book shifts from $0.99 to $1.99 midday, so if any one plans to pick up a copy, keep this timing in mind.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 10, 2016, 07:14:58 AM
Kay, Bill, Kathy, Laura, Jenny, & (everyone else I missed):  thank you all for answering the million dollar question. You're all super awesome!


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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 10, 2016, 07:16:19 AM
It's impossible to say which promo sold the most books yesterday, but the ones people generally say produced good results, such as ENT, were probably responsible for most of my sales. The lowest sales rank I achieved last night was 2902 with 67 sales. Considering how many promos I had running, and what I spent, this isn't stellar results, but it was still exciting. I don't expect to better that today since I'll be competing with big name authors who routinely sell dozens of books a day.

Here's what I had running yesterday:

MyBookCave - $15
Reading Deals - $29
ENT - $30
SweetFreeBooks - $7
Book Pebble - Free
Booktastic - $10
ManyBooks - $19
eBookChristian - $5.50

I verified all of these sites to make sure my book appeared and they all had attractive presentations. My book was at the top on most of the sites, or if grouped with books in rows, on the first row. Maybe they liked my cover art. :-)

The promo that was MIA on Thursday (eBooksHabit) is being shifted to today, and as it turns out, it was my fault it didn't run since my Countdown deal started too late in the morning. If you didn't read my post about how I screwed up with the Coundown start time, please scroll back and learn from my mistakes!

I have seven sales so far today, and I'm not sure if today's promo newsletters have gone out yet, so these sales could be carry-over from yesterday. It's hard to say.

Today I have eBooksHabit, Ebook Betty, and EreaderIQ.

Tomorrow I have no promotions scheduled, and the price of my book shifts from $0.99 to $1.99 midday, so if any one plans to pick up a copy, keep this timing in mind.
You had good luck in terms of getting a lot on one day. Sometimes in the early going you will spend more than you make, but if the book builds your fan base, think of it as an investment in the future.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: amiblackwelder on December 10, 2016, 07:24:34 AM
Midday report on my promos. Success! Sales are finally kicking into gear. Yesterday, I started off the morning with a sales rank of 220,992, and the last time I looked I'm at 4,809! That's a pretty big drop. I doubt I'll get "sticky" but I'm hoping my book will get more attention, and the majority who buy it will read and review it.

Congrats! what did you do with your promos?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: amiblackwelder on December 10, 2016, 07:27:01 AM
Kay -- I'm interested in knowing this too.
Jenny -- thanks for the support ;-) I also hear bookmarks work well--with a Q-code linking directly to your amazon page. The library's will be happy to have them and hand them out.

Okay, I have the million dollar question. I see most your books are priced at 99 cents. I wanted to up mine, after the pre-order time, to $2.99. It'll be less sales... maybe none? But it may be an incentive to up the KU page reads?

I dunno. There's a million threads on this. I just thought I'd ask the advice of my friends here.

Oh, and Chameleon's wasn't accepted???? How is this possible?




Yea, it's interesting what they choose. If I were their readers, I wouldn't have chosen it either though. It just depends on the readers tastes. You can have Hot and Trending all 30 days and still not get picked and have it only s few days and get picked. It boils down, in my opinion, to if they like your book and think it will sell.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 10, 2016, 07:42:21 AM
You had good luck in terms of getting a lot on one day. Sometimes in the early going you will spend more than you make, but if the book builds your fan base, think of it as an investment in the future.

This is exactly how I'm looking at it. Many people spend a lot on a promo blitz when they launch, but I decided to accumulate reviews first, so during my eventual promo people could read reviews and decide whether to take a chance on my book. There are many different strategies, and each has merit.

For the first time in ages, I finally got some KENP. Only 79 pages so far today, but I'm grateful to have any.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 10, 2016, 07:59:43 AM
I know some of you have supported already (and thank you!!!!) but could you guys help me reach my target on Headtalker? I'm still 8 people off what I need for it to go live!

https://headtalker.com/campaigns/0-99-what-lies-beneath-the-ma/

Oh also, keep forgetting to mention that I managed to get a tour with Obsessive Pimpettes (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe-GVE6oCFnld9DUTx0GPonNwpU8BhSzgMr9y4a91ph4yJLIQ/viewform?c=0&w=1)

It's free, and while I'm not expecting to get any sales or anything (I think it's probably unlikely, especially as blog tours have been proved to have lost effectiveness at some point in the past two years), last time I did a tour with them I did manage to get some good reviews, including three reviews who have since stuck with me and reviewed my other books, so fingers crossed it pays off!
Done. I agree book tours aren't now that useful. I was lucky enough to be reviewed by a top 500 reviewer with massive cross tweet audience RT of 100,000 + result? So far very poor but still delighted with the review
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 10, 2016, 08:16:18 AM
Done. I agree book tours aren't now that useful. I was lucky enough to be reviewed by a top 500 reviewer with massive cross tweet audience RT of 100,000 + result? So far very poor but still delighted with the review
Thank you! Exactly why I don't think I'll be paying for one, but even if this only nets me a review, I'll call that a good ROI!

So haven't been doing much promotion the past few days and have had a couple of sales. But the big genre crave promotion is on Monday, so hopefully that will give me a push!

FYI on that front, not sure if everyone is aware but I think genre crave are stopping the smaller newsletter promotions and are just offering the bigger more expensive ones. I can find the fb post from Rebecca Hamilton (who runs genre crave) in a moment.

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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 10, 2016, 08:19:29 AM
^ see post above for explanation of screenshot!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RaffertyBlack on December 10, 2016, 10:55:40 AM
I was a little discouraged because I spent so much time researching promotions and such and spent more money than I have, but that disappointment has faded to a new one hahaha. From all the ones I entered, I subscribed to many of them. What's discouraging is seeing all the books for free or .99 cents. I'm guilty of grabbing a bunch of the free ones. Based on my own behavior, I'm wondering why people are going to buy books when so many authors are giving them away for free. That realization is frustrating in that it's a new puzzle to solve. I realize why the authors do this, to take a hit to get readers hooked, but I feel the market is becoming saturated with "free."

I also thought I would have figured out my genre by now too. It seemed so easy before I started. I keep using Elmore Leonard as an example - he didn't really fit tidily into one genre either. Somewhere in suspense/ mystery and thriller, but there's not too many books in those genres that have humor in them. Everyone's so damn serious! Arguably the greatest film noir of all time, Double Indemnity, had quite a few funny parts in it!

But I digress. I hope the ones that bought the book dig it and become fans. Like I said upthread, I think it's a pretty rad book. I'm still new to this, only started doing it seriously since the summer, so I'm still trying to find readers. I gave myself a day to be discouraged, then went back to life. I got another book ready to submit to Scout (as soon as I can do a cover I like, not my strong suit), formatted it for paperback, and am writing another one.

I cling to the hope that readers will find me!!!!  ;D

Popped your review cherry on Amazon lol. Good luck with future sales & promotions!
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 10, 2016, 11:02:31 AM
Welcome to the cool kids group, Rafferty. That was a super nice thing to do and I'm sure Carey will be thrilled to see the review.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on December 10, 2016, 12:53:55 PM
Welcome to the cool kids group, Rafferty. That was a super nice thing to do and I'm sure Carey will be thrilled to see the review.
Popped your review cherry on Amazon lol. Good luck with future sales & promotions!
I am super duper thrilled to see this! I can't thank you enough!!!!  :D
Seriously, it really means a lot to me. A gigantic thank you.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 10, 2016, 05:32:58 PM
I know what you mean. I have been promo'ing bot free and paid and my sales have flatlined!  :'(

Think I am just going to work on building reviews and on increasing my email list.

I just wanted to let you know I got an email from Amazon tonight with a list of books they thought I might be interested in and yours was on the list.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kyla S on December 10, 2016, 09:01:31 PM
My book, Beneath The Skin, was rejected from KS last week. I've been meaning to post over here, but I've been busy re-editing and formatting the book for launch December 22nd. I put the print book on Amazon so I could start garnering reviews. I priced it at $19.99 so hopefully no one will buy it since the manuscript isn't actually the final draft> :o I set up some promos starting the 26th and will lower the price to .99. That's my plan, anyway!
 
I want to support my fellow KS alumni, so I'll read and review some of you guys over the next couple of weeks. :-)



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Post by: marissamarchan on December 10, 2016, 10:14:39 PM
I know some of you have supported already (and thank you!!!!) but could you guys help me reach my target on Headtalker? I'm still 8 people off what I need for it to go live!

https://headtalker.com/campaigns/0-99-what-lies-beneath-the-ma/



Done!  :D
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 11, 2016, 03:01:34 AM
My book, Beneath The Skin, was rejected from KS last week. I've been meaning to post over here, but I've been busy re-editing and formatting the book for launch December 22nd. I put the print book on Amazon so I could start garnering reviews. I priced it at $19.99 so hopefully no one will buy it since the manuscript isn't actually the final draft> :o I set up some promos starting the 26th and will lower the price to .99. That's my plan, anyway!
 
I want to support my fellow KS alumni, so I'll read and review some of you guys over the next couple of weeks. :-)
Hi Kyla and Anita, Good to see you over on the 'light side' whilst I can't afford to buy all your books I do review so if you were happy to send me a Mobi I'd get to it as and when I have the time. You could pm me via Twitter if you want (Scribblerjb) Good luck x
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 11, 2016, 06:49:36 AM
I was a little discouraged because I spent so much time researching promotions and such and spent more money than I have, but that disappointment has faded to a new one hahaha. From all the ones I entered, I subscribed to many of them. What's discouraging is seeing all the books for free or .99 cents. I'm guilty of grabbing a bunch of the free ones. Based on my own behavior, I'm wondering why people are going to buy books when so many authors are giving them away for free. That realization is frustrating in that it's a new puzzle to solve. I realize why the authors do this, to take a hit to get readers hooked, but I feel the market is becoming saturated with "free."

I also thought I would have figured out my genre by now too. It seemed so easy before I started. I keep using Elmore Leonard as an example - he didn't really fit tidily into one genre either. Somewhere in suspense/ mystery and thriller, but there's not too many books in those genres that have humor in them. Everyone's so damn serious! Arguably the greatest film noir of all time, Double Indemnity, had quite a few funny parts in it!

But I digress. I hope the ones that bought the book dig it and become fans. Like I said upthread, I think it's a pretty rad book. I'm still new to this, only started doing it seriously since the summer, so I'm still trying to find readers. I gave myself a day to be discouraged, then went back to life. I got another book ready to submit to Scout (as soon as I can do a cover I like, not my strong suit), formatted it for paperback, and am writing another one.

I cling to the hope that readers will find me!!!!  ;D
"Hate the game, not the player." (Yes, I know the context is usually different, but it kind of fits here, too. Promoters, rather than authors, may be the ones creating the pattern.)

I could be wrong, but I think it's the promoters that encouraged that pattern. Many won't take books that aren't deeply discounted.  Also, in earlier times, a number of authors built their success on things like a permafree first in series, even on the KDP free promotions. A lot of people emulating them today are doing so indiscriminately (without real strategy), and yes, the market is in some ways saturated with free books.

On the other hand, I used to think people would stop buying full-priced books because of all the free and cheap ones, but that doesn't really seem to have happened. Plenty of authors are still selling books at higher price points. If your book is in a newsletter in which almost everyone else is at a lower price point, then no, it probably won't sell well in that limited arena, because the people who subscribe to those are looking for bargains.

I think the bottom line is that it takes time. A lot of moves I made in the past flopped because I didn't yet have the base to sustain them. Maybe I still don't. Different Lee is going strong right now, but tomorrow could be a different story (no pun intended). Before I was on Kboards, I spent a lot of time on the KDP forums, and most writers who talked about their experiences said they didn't take off right away. Some of the successful ones took years. Even trad published authors frequently have that experience. Sure, a few people who debut novels that are bestsellers, but that's still an exceptional case, even with a publisher behind the author.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: AnitaLouise on December 11, 2016, 07:04:31 AM
Hi Kyla and Anita, Good to see you over on the 'light side' whilst I can't afford to buy all your books I do review so if you were happy to send me a Mobi I'd get to it as and when I have the time. You could pm me via Twitter if you want (Scribblerjb) Good luck x

Just checking out the "cool kids" group. Being with others who have gone through the same experience sure is helpful.  ;D Thanks to all.

Happy to send a mobi, Jenny. Just not sure where to send it.

My so-called "cherry" is yet to be "popped" i.e. no reviews yet on Amazon. Would appreciate your help.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: AnitaLouise on December 11, 2016, 07:14:16 AM
"Hate the game, not the player." (Yes, I know the context is usually different, but it kind of fits here, too. Promoters, rather than authors, may be the ones creating the pattern.)

I could be wrong, but I think it's the promoters that encouraged that pattern. Many won't take books that aren't deeply discounted.  Also, in earlier times, a number of authors built their success on things like a permafree first in series, even on the KDP free promotions. A lot of people emulating them today are doing so indiscriminately (without real strategy), and yes, the market is in some ways saturated with free books.

On the other hand, I used to think people would stop buying full-priced books because of all the free and cheap ones, but that doesn't really seem to have happened. Plenty of authors are still selling books at higher price points. If your book is in a newsletter in which almost everyone else is at a lower price point, then no, it probably won't sell well in that limited arena, because the people who subscribe to those are looking for bargains.

I think the bottom line is that it takes time. A lot of moves I made in the past flopped because I didn't yet have the base to sustain them. Maybe I still don't. Different Lee is going strong right now, but tomorrow could be a different story (no pun intended). Before I was on Kboards, I spent a lot of time on the KDP forums, and most writers who talked about their experiences said they didn't take off right away. Some of the successful ones took years. Even trad published authors frequently have that experience. Sure, a few people who debut novels that are bestsellers, but that's still an exceptional case, even with a publisher behind the author.

Love your sensible approach to publishing, Bill. My sister became a NYT best-seller about 5 years ago when the whole indie author thing was fairly new. From what I've been told this forum was very helpful. The point is that she's been writing her WHOLE LIFE! She tried to years to go the traditional publisher route to no avail.

Things are different today. It seems like just about everyone I know has a published book out there. Whether the book is any good or has sold to anyone except family and friends is irrelevant. They are a "published author."

Personally, I'm very grateful we can now self-publish. Of course, I'm not making much money, but I believe by working on my craft and becoming better and better, at some point people who like what I write and my style will find me. Hopefully it won't take me 30 years. I'm not sure I have that much time left on the planet.



Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 11, 2016, 07:24:43 AM
One of the other members and I have been mulling over the idea of pooling our membership here to review books. It is essential that authors are not  "exchanging reviews" so it would be best if Author A and Author B did not review each other's books, but I see no reason why we couldn't randomly review someone's book here, and if there's enough of us involved, someone will get to each of our books. I'm open to suggestions. PM me or post here.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 11, 2016, 07:58:55 AM
One of the other members and I have been mulling over the idea of pooling our membership here to review books. It is essential that authors are not  "exchanging reviews" so it would be best if Author A and Author B did not review each other's books, but I see no reason why we couldn't randomly review someone's book here, and if there's enough of us involved, someone will get to each of our books. I'm open to suggestions. PM me or post here.
Totally agree Kay. I'm a NetGalley reviewer and read hundreds a year so I don't mind adding a couple, but I'm not asking for reviews in return 😆
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 11, 2016, 08:03:32 AM
Considering we were all rejected by KS I find this thread is actually really full of positivity! It's great to be able to share experiences and learn with the support! So thank you!

Totally open to reading some books! I have Jenny's to read anyway and Love, Lies and Clones is on preorder, but I tend to read fast so I'm up for that!

Also thinking we could organise some cross promo for the week between Christmas and New Year, make the most of people getting new kindles!

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 11, 2016, 08:10:06 AM
One of the other members and I have been mulling over the idea of pooling our membership here to review books. It is essential that authors are not  "exchanging reviews" so it would be best if Author A and Author B did not review each other's books, but I see no reason why we couldn't randomly review someone's book here, and if there's enough of us involved, someone will get to each of our books. I'm open to suggestions. PM me or post here.
I'm bogged down right now but will definitely participate in future.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 11, 2016, 08:23:42 AM
Totally agree Kay. I'm a NetGalley reviewer and read hundreds a year so I don't mind adding a couple, but I'm not asking for reviews in return 😆

That's a lot of books. I've probably read 50 or more this year. And then there's the audiobooks! How does it work with Netgalley? Do you decide which books you'd like to review? Do you get many that sound interesting but turn out to be duds?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 11, 2016, 08:36:22 AM
That's a lot of books. I've probably read 50 or more this year. And then there's the audiobooks! How does it work with Netgalley? Do you decide which books you'd like to review? Do you get many that sound interesting but turn out to be duds?
NetGalley is fab, Kay. I'd recommend it to any committed reader, writer. As Lee Childs says he reads 300 books a year and writes 1. You need a blog really and be prepared to write about what you read. I don't blog about every book I read or I wouldn't get any work done but I do about the ones I love. I get to choose but at the start be prepared for lots of rejections as they don't give their books away to anyone. I'm auto approved now for some publishers so if I want a book I just download. I remember last year looking in the window of WH Smith (UK big book seller) and I'd read 5 out of the 6 displayed pre publication - sweet. About duds, there are some and I'm just honest with the publisher in that I tell them I can't review as I didn't finish.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 11, 2016, 09:02:35 AM
Too bad physical book sales don't count in my sales rank. My husband and I are set up at a local coin show and I've already sold four copies of my book.

I don't think I could handle Netgalley since I have hundreds of unread books waiting for me now, but it does sound like fun for an avid reader who enjoys reviewing books.

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Post by: Joynell Schultz on December 11, 2016, 09:02:54 AM
 I'm up for anything!  Some great ideas here.


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Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 11, 2016, 11:39:38 AM
NetGalley is fab, Kay. I'd recommend it to any committed reader, writer. As Lee Childs says he reads 300 books a year and writes 1. You need a blog really and be prepared to write about what you read. I don't blog about every book I read or I wouldn't get any work done but I do about the ones I love. I get to choose but at the start be prepared for lots of rejections as they don't give their books away to anyone. I'm auto approved now for some publishers so if I want a book I just download. I remember last year looking in the window of WH Smith (UK big book seller) and I'd read 5 out of the 6 displayed pre publication - sweet. About duds, there are some and I'm just honest with the publisher in that I tell them I can't review as I didn't finish.
I do the same as Jenny, in fact I was a book blogger before I was published (and still am). I read upwards of 300 books a year atm (it's lower than it has been in past years due to other commitments, including writing). I use Netgalley but if I don't like a book I'll just say " I DNF'd at X% because...." normally it's something to do with my personal taste so I do say that. I don't post those reviews to amazon at all though

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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 11, 2016, 12:07:55 PM
I do the same as Jenny, in fact I was a book blogger before I was published (and still am). I read upwards of 300 books a year atm (it's lower than it has been in past years due to other commitments, including writing). I use Netgalley but if I don't like a book I'll just say " I DNF'd at X% because...." normally it's something to do with my personal taste so I do say that. I don't post those reviews to amazon at all though

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I'm the same Laura, if a book is not for me I won't leave a neg review, it's all down to taste and anything less than a 4 Amazon view in negative terms. it's not my role to writer bash, I just love reading
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 11, 2016, 12:09:37 PM
I do the same as Jenny, in fact I was a book blogger before I was published (and still am). I read upwards of 300 books a year atm (it's lower than it has been in past years due to other commitments, including writing). I use Netgalley but if I don't like a book I'll just say " I DNF'd at X% because...." normally it's something to do with my personal taste so I do say that. I don't post those reviews to amazon at all though

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I'm impressed! 300 books! Yikes! Do you tend to read the same genre, or a variety?

I sold the five paperbacks I took to the coin show today. People had no trouble shelling out $12 for my paperback, and could care less that my eBook was on sale for $0.99. I could have gotten the $14.95 Amazon price if I'd wanted to. So if you're tired of cheap eBook readers that want everything for free, find someplace to do a book signing and you may sell a bunch of paperbacks.
Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 11, 2016, 12:22:04 PM
I stick to 3 star plus, but those reviews are still positive! Maybe I'm being too harsh with my stars!

No, I switch between genres a lot. For example this month alone i've read contemporary romance, urban fantasy, space opera and I'm currently reading high fantasy :-)


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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 11, 2016, 01:42:08 PM
Here's what I propose we do: Let's make a list of books that we would like reviewed, and once we compile the list we can probably just update it once a week, maybe on Mondays. We'll note who is reviewing each book as we get volunteers.

I would recommend reading the Look Inside sample before volunteering, to make sure you're okay with the genre and the quality of the writing. If you get into the story and it has major issues, you PM the author and say you'd rather not finish. Personally, I'd say any review three stars or higher shouldn't be considered insulting, especially if it doesn't include scathing, nasty comments. Criticism is never pleasant but well-meaning criticism should be acceptable.

As far as I'm concerned, if we have non-Kindle Scout author friends who want to participate, it's not a problem. The larger the pool of reviewers the easier it would be to find someone interested in each book.

Please share your thoughts on the mechanics of my plan along with any concerns and ideas.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 11, 2016, 01:47:14 PM
Right, I'm going to attempt to organise a cross promo for us (form here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdupiZRoO2p6LGe7nATzCUe2pQRXg2rRcC1xD1zE35_R5XgtQ/viewform) I can collate the information from that!

Here's what I propose we do: Let's make a list of books that we would like reviewed, and once we compile the list we can probably just update it once a week, maybe on Mondays. We'll note who is reviewing each book as we get volunteers.

I would recommend reading the Look Inside sample before volunteering, to make sure you're okay with the genre and the quality of the writing. If you get into the story and it has major issues, you PM the author and say you'd rather not finish. Personally, I'd say any review three stars or higher shouldn't be considered insulting, especially if it doesn't include scathing, nasty comments. Criticism is never pleasant but well-meaning criticism should be acceptable.

As far as I'm concerned, if we have non-Kindle Scout author friends who want to participate, it's not a problem. The larger the pool of reviewers the easier it would be to find someone interested in each book.

Please share your thoughts on the mechanics of my plan along with any concerns and ideas.

I think it's a great idea Kay, is it worth maybe having a "landing page" with the books on it, and an embedded form to fill in to request them? If one or two people are willing to help organise it behind the scenes then that could make it easy to keep track of things going in or out (though it'll be down to the individual authors to send out the review copies)?

Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Mark Gardner on December 11, 2016, 02:34:50 PM
I get about 75% of the 100 or so books I finish each year from NetGalley. I also try not to review anything that I can't give at least 3 stars. I probably DNF about 10 - 20 a year.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 11, 2016, 02:47:34 PM
Right, I'm going to attempt to organise a cross promo for us (form here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdupiZRoO2p6LGe7nATzCUe2pQRXg2rRcC1xD1zE35_R5XgtQ/viewform) I can collate the information from that!

I think it's a great idea Kay, is it worth maybe having a "landing page" with the books on it, and an embedded form to fill in to request them? If one or two people are willing to help organise it behind the scenes then that could make it easy to keep track of things going in or out (though it'll be down to the individual authors to send out the review copies)?

I'm clueless about the mechanics of setting this up, so I hope one of you more tech-savvy people will volunteer. I had envisioned this as a list like the one Steve Vernon posts daily. The name of the book could be a hot link to the Amazon product page, and there could be a notation as to the type of review copy available. If the book is free, or in a steeply discounted promotion, that would be ideal, as the reviewer would download the book and provide a verified review. When that isn't an option, I imagine the reviewer could PM the author and make arrangements to get an ARC copy. Under the book heading we could add the names of those who are reviewing.

Your idea of a landing page and a form to fill out sounds great, but I haven't the slightest idea how to create that. Whoever wants to work on this project, I'm sure the rest of us would be grateful and not too picky about how it's set up.

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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 11, 2016, 02:54:32 PM
I'm clueless about the mechanics of setting this up, so I hope one of you more tech-savvy people will volunteer. I had envisioned this as a list like the one Steve Vernon posts daily. The name of the book could be a hot link to the Amazon product page, and there could be a notation as to the type of review copy available. If the book is free, or in a steeply discounted promotion, that would be ideal, as the reviewer would download the book and provide a verified review. When that isn't an option, I imagine the reviewer could PM the author and make arrangements to get an ARC copy. Under the book heading we could add the names of those who are reviewing.

Your idea of a landing page and a form to fill out sounds great, but I haven't the slightest idea how to create that. Whoever wants to work on this project, I'm sure the rest of us would be grateful and not too picky about how it's set up.
I'm happy to help with that, I can set up a "secret page" on my website that you can only get to with a link. We can make anything work!

What we could start doing is having someone on the thread keeping track of links to headtalker campaigns/promos and the review list on this thread like Steve does, but maybe just posting once a week? That way no one misses anything important?

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Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 11, 2016, 02:58:18 PM
Since I was away today, I didn't get a chance to update my Kindle Scout promo data.

12/10 I had EBooksHabit - $10
EBook Betty - $18
EReaderIQ - $10

Actually, I thought I had EReaderIQ set up for the 10th, but it ran on the 9th. The promos looked attractive and I had 23 sales, a couple attributable to my ongoing AMS ad.

Today I had no promos, just the Countdown itself, and the price of my book adjusts from $0.99 to $1.99 soon, at 7:00 EDT.

Tomorrow's promos are: Just Kindle Books, and BargainEbookHunter. Tuesday I have the last of my promotions: People Reads, day 2 of BargainEbookHunter, and Choosy Bookworm.

Title: Re: The &quot;My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?&quot; Thread
Post by: Kay7979 on December 11, 2016, 03:00:50 PM
I'm happy to help with that, I can set up a "secret page" on my website that you can only get to with a link. We can make anything work!

What we could start doing is having someone on the thread keeping track of links to headtalker campaigns/promos and the review list on this thread like Steve does, but maybe just posting once a week? That way no one misses anything important?

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Sounds good to me. That was my thought: a once-a-week update of the list. I think that should be frequent enough once we create the initial list of books to be reviewed.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: RWhite7699 on December 11, 2016, 03:12:45 PM
This is almost the last update on new release promos. Keep in mind that back-to-back promos are hard to judge, because the second one may be benefitting from the tail of the first one.

ENT (12/2) brought in an estimated 63 sales, Kindle Book Review (12/3-12/4) brought in 23, Genre Crave (12/5) 24. Pages read went up each of those days. For a few days DL has been hovering between 5,000 and 6,000 (top 100 in all three genres), and there was no sudden drop after 30. Now that there are no active promos until 12/13, it will be interesting to see how well the books sustains its momentum.

It's not surprising that ENT was the top performer. At first I was a little disappointed, because the first time I used it, I picked up over a hundred sales. However, some of the sales I attributed to KBR might belong to ENT, and there was no KU the last time I used ENT. I had the equivalent of nine full KU reads, and probably at least some of the twelve the following day should also be attributed to ENT.


Bill, just between you and me, do you have the Russians working for your promotions?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Kyla S on December 11, 2016, 09:54:02 PM
Hi Kyla and Anita, Good to see you over on the 'light side' whilst I can't afford to buy all your books I do review so if you were happy to send me a Mobi I'd get to it as and when I have the time. You could pm me via Twitter if you want (Scribblerjb) Good luck x

Awesome, Jenny. Thanks! Can I PM you here with the file? I don't have a Twitter account yet .  . .



My so-called "cherry" is yet to be "popped" i.e. no reviews yet on Amazon. Would appreciate your help.

Give me two to three days, Anita. I'll fix that problem for you, in a totally friend sort of way. :-)

One of the other members and I have been mulling over the idea of pooling our membership here to review books. It is essential that authors are not  "exchanging reviews" so it would be best if Author A and Author B did not review each other's books, but I see no reason why we couldn't randomly review someone's book here, and if there's enough of us involved, someone will get to each of our books. I'm open to suggestions. PM me or post here.
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I'm in! I'm also very interested in a cross-promo.

I'm terrible at "tinkering" continuing to polish, polish, polish because there are always things I can make better. My editor told me today that it was time to "send it out into the world." I'm surprised at how nervous I am about sending my "baby" out, especially because I've published articles in regional magazines and written books for educational publishers for years. This just seems different. It's my heart on those pages, you know?
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: JennyOBrien on December 11, 2016, 11:30:16 PM
Anita and Kyla,
You should have messages from me.

I'll put Ideal Girl up for free for 1 day over Christmas and filled out the Google doc. I've reviewed Greg's and have Jen's next on my list then Kay, George and...
happy reading
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on December 12, 2016, 03:51:05 AM
Just wanted to check in; I'm always lurking.

I'd definitely be interested the review thing and would be willing to read outside my normal genres but probably not until January. Currently, I am way behind on my TBR pile which includes a lot of former KScouters. Bear with me.

Kay, I'm delighted to see that you're moving books! Yay! Good for you.

A Whyte Christmas is doing well (at least I think so). I haven't done any promos and it seems to be holding it's own. I'm  selling on average about 1-2 books a day and averaging about 1K daily on the KENP. I realize it's the right month for my book, which is what is probably driving it, but that's fine. I'm taking part in the Holly Jolly Chick Lit tour on FB(which has been amazing fun) and my day is Wednesday and I've got a nice giveaway planned. I've sold a decent amount of paperbacks (family and friends) and I shipped 10 paperbacks to my sister's gift shop back home (she creates framed art using Lake Erie beach glass) and she's already sold 5 copies in 3 days. I won't run a promo for it until January, when I expect sales and KENP to trail off.

Overall, it has been a better launch than my first book, which took a lot of time to get reviews and sales.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Michele Brouder on December 12, 2016, 04:34:02 AM
Any advice on AMS ads? What kind of keywords should I use? And what campaign type do I go with? Sponsored Products or Product Display Ads? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: The "My Book Wasn't Accepted for Kindle Scout, Now What?" Thread
Post by: Carey Lewis on December 12, 2016, 04:55:37 AM
Any advice on AMS ads? What kind of keywords should I use? And what campaign type do I go with? Sponsored Products or Product Display Ads? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
From what I've read, Sponsored Ads are the way to go. The best thing for keywords is to use manual, and use the names of books and authors that are similar to yours that sell better. That way you show up on book pages and author pages that get a lot of traffic. A lot of people don't make a positive ROI but it helps to get your name out there. I'm thinking the more people see your name, the better.

I have two ads going, and I think I've only made one sale from AMS ads from an earlier book. I set my daily limit to 3 dollars and have never gone over. My most expensive clicks are .25 cents. However, AMS ads might give you KENP, which doesn't show up. Also, someone might see your name or your book and decide to look at something else, than manually type in your book, so the sale wouldn't count through the ad.

I think of it as a way to get cheap exposure. Remember, it takes a few days before the results to trickle in, and the results are normally off by a few days, so it takes some patience.
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Post by: PatriciaThomson on December 12, 2016, 06:39:32 AM
I'm interested in the cross promo!

I rigged up a AMS sponsored ad last week.  It's popping up, but no one's clicking on it.  :(
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 12, 2016, 06:57:04 AM
I'm terrible at "tinkering" continuing to polish, polish, polish because there are always things I can make better. My editor told me today that it was time to "send it out into the world." I'm surprised at how nervous I am about sending my "baby" out, especially because I've published articles in regional magazines and written books for educational publishers for years. This just seems different. It's my heart on those pages, you know?

I'm the same way. I spend longer polishing than writing, and after a while I have to face the law of diminishing returns. I might improve the manuscript another 5% but would a reader know the difference?
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 12, 2016, 06:58:45 AM
Anita and Kyla,
You should have messages from me.

I'll put Ideal Girl up for free for 1 day over Christmas and filled out the Google doc. I've reviewed Greg's and have Jen's next on my list then Kay, George and...
happy reading

I appreciate being on your list. You read SO many books, I assume you're not easily impressed, and that makes your opinion valuable. 
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 12, 2016, 07:01:22 AM
Just wanted to check in; I'm always lurking.

I'd definitely be interested the review thing and would be willing to read outside my normal genres but probably not until January. Currently, I am way behind on my TBR pile which includes a lot of former KScouters. Bear with me.

Kay, I'm delighted to see that you're moving books! Yay! Good for you.

A Whyte Christmas is doing well (at least I think so). I haven't done any promos and it seems to be holding it's own. I'm  selling on average about 1-2 books a day and averaging about 1K daily on the KENP. I realize it's the right month for my book, which is what is probably driving it, but that's fine. I'm taking part in the Holly Jolly Chick Lit tour on FB(which has been amazing fun) and my day is Wednesday and I've got a nice giveaway planned. I've sold a decent amount of paperbacks (family and friends) and I shipped 10 paperbacks to my sister's gift shop back home (she creates framed art using Lake Erie beach glass) and she's already sold 5 copies in 3 days. I won't run a promo for it until January, when I expect sales and KENP to trail off.

Overall, it has been a better launch than my first book, which took a lot of time to get reviews and sales.
I'm not surprised the book is doing well--and yes, 1-2 sales a day and 1,000 KENP with no promos is a good result.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 12, 2016, 07:07:04 AM

Bill, just between you and me, do you have the Russians working for your promotions?
No, I think they're too busy hacking the DNC. :P

Actually, no one is more surprised than I am by the results, which are generally higher than I'm used to.

That said, it's easier to promote a standalone or the first in a series, and I've been working on the same series for four years. Trying to promo book six in a series isn't that easy, because it's only going to be of interest to people who've already read up through book 5. Sadly, I had a few enthusiastic fans, not mobs of them, so it was hard to sustain the later series volumes. The first one sells reasonably well on its own, but the others kind of drag. This month, it's 19 for book 1, 4 for book 2, 2 each for books 3 and 4, and 1 for book 6. The KENP is a little more balanced; KENP readers actually get through the series a lot faster.
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Post by: Bill Hiatt on December 12, 2016, 07:08:26 AM
Sounds good to me. That was my thought: a once-a-week update of the list. I think that should be frequent enough once we create the initial list of books to be reviewed.
I'm in, but I won't be able to start until I get the rough draft done for my behind-schedule project. I'm feeling the clock ticking down...
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 12, 2016, 07:14:00 AM
Any advice on AMS ads? What kind of keywords should I use? And what campaign type do I go with? Sponsored Products or Product Display Ads? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

Carey's advice is spot on. You want Sponsored Product ads. For keywords, use the titles of similar books and authors. Use other keywords related to your story and romance books in general, but nothing hopelessly vague like "love" or "romance" or you'll get a bunch of non-productive clicks. In addition to romance keywords I'd include keywords Buffalo, Niagara Falls, Irish, Ireland, etc.

Monitor which keywords get clicks, and if some get a lot of clicks but no conversions, put those on "pause." Watch your "also boughts" and keep adding those authors and titles to your keyword list. You'll get the feel for how this works after a couple weeks. 
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 12, 2016, 07:25:31 AM
My Kindle Countdown deal is ongoing. Sunday 12/11 I had no promos augmenting my sales, only AMS ads. I had two sales attributable to AMS, and seven total sales, most of which occurred late in the evening. The promos have definitely helped KU readers find my book. I had ten days with no KU prior to the promos, and after the promos began I had a day with 172 KENP and 708 KENP.

Today's promos are Just Kindle Books, and (I think) BargainEbookHunter. BEH is a two-day promo and the wording was a bit confusing. I'm not sure whether it's running today and tomorrow or the 13th and 14th.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 12, 2016, 07:27:11 AM
I'm interested in the cross promo!

I rigged up a AMS sponsored ad last week.  It's popping up, but no one's clicking on it.  :(

If you don't start getting clicks, please provide more info about the kind of keywords you're using. You should be getting a few clicks by now. Are you getting a lot of "impressions?"
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 12, 2016, 07:28:18 AM

My Kindle Countdown deal is ongoing. Sunday 12/11 I had no promos augmenting my sales, only AMS ads. I had two sales attributable to AMS, and seven total sales, most of which occurred late in the evening. The promos have definitely helped KU readers find my book. I had ten days with no KU prior to the promos, and after the promos began I had a day with 172 KENP and another with 708 KENP.

Today's promos are Just Kindle Books, and (I think) BargainEbookHunter. BEH is a two-day promo and the wording was a bit confusing. I'm not sure whether it's running today and tomorrow or the 13th and 14th.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 08:10:13 AM
So super nervous right now! Today is the big day for my genre crave  promotion  (the $100 one!)

So far I appear to have gained 2 sales from it, though my newsletter ' s already grown by 100 subscribers

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Post by: Kay7979 on December 12, 2016, 08:46:36 AM
So super nervous right now! Today is the big day for my genre crave  promotion  (the $100 one!)

So far I appear to have gained 2 sales from it, though my newsletter ' s already grown by 100 subscribers

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Wow. You've gotten 100 new subscribers due to Genre Crave? At that rate, by the end of the day you may have a couple thousand! Keep us posted on how your sales go. I find this kind of data invaluable. So far my most expensive promos have been around $30-40, so for $100 I hope you get a lot of sales.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 08:57:17 AM
Wow. You've gotten 100 new subscribers due to Genre Crave? At that rate, by the end of the day you may have a couple thousand! Keep us posted on how your sales go. I find this kind of data invaluable. So far my most expensive promos have been around $30-40, so for $100 I hope you get a lot of sales.
Sales are up to 4, but considering I think it only kicked in about an hour ago! I don't think I'll be making my money back (I'd need about 300 sales for thatA!) But considering the newsletter effect is paying off the rest of that at least!

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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 09:01:08 AM
Oh I can get exact numbers for my newsletter! Hang on (because this is worth knowing for me!)

Yesterday I had 228 subscribers.

Currently I have 418, i'll have a final count tomorrow!

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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 09:06:55 AM
P.S. If you're interested in the cross promo, fill out this form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdupiZRoO2p6LGe7nATzCUe2pQRXg2rRcC1xD1zE35_R5XgtQ/viewform

There are 5 of us so far but we'll need more to make it work! You can submit more than one book (up to three) and you don't have to discount if you don't want! Also, you can share in whatever way suits you best too!
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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 12, 2016, 09:17:59 AM
Oh I can get exact numbers for my newsletter! Hang on (because this is worth knowing for me!)

Yesterday I had 228 subscribers.

Currently I have 418, i'll have a final count tomorrow!

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Great it's working for you Laura. How did you set your newsletter up? I'm clueless
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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 12, 2016, 09:22:02 AM
I appreciate being on your list. You read SO many books, I assume you're not easily impressed, and that makes your opinion valuable.
;)
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 09:26:28 AM
Great it's working for you Laura. How did you set your newsletter up? I'm clueless
Not going to lie I'm pretty clueless myself! I have a mailchimp list that's integrated with my instafreebie account. I have a free short story that's linked to my novella series exclusive to signing up to my mailing list (which is temporary because I don't have anything else yet, but it will be replaced eventually by a fantasy novella I'm yet to write). To get the free story, they have to sign up to my newsletter and instafreebie (the $20/month option) then sends the subscribers to mailchimp.

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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 09:29:07 AM
Great it's working for you Laura. How did you set your newsletter up? I'm clueless
Sign up looks like this!

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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 12, 2016, 09:57:22 AM
Sign up looks like this!

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Ok, so it's all via instafreebie? Can you link your website to this then with a button?
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 10:00:15 AM
Just looks like below on my website (that's a mailchimp embedded form) but honestly it's so much easier via instafreebie. Basically even just being left it gained me 200 subscribers just with a few daily tweets (set up in advance) and a few fb posts!

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Post by: JennyOBrien on December 12, 2016, 10:23:59 AM
Just looks like below on my website (that's a mailchimp embedded form) but honestly it's so much easier via instafreebie. Basically even just being left it gained me 200 subscribers just with a few daily tweets (set up in advance) and a few fb posts!
Thanks, I'll have to look into x
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
Just looks like below on my website (that's a mailchimp embedded form) but honestly it's so much easier via instafreebie. Basically even just being left it gained me 200 subscribers just with a few daily tweets (set up in advance) and a few fb posts!
Thanks, I'll have to look into x
No problem :-) if you need any help (or just information!) Feel free to drop me a line! Always happy to help!

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Post by: Carey Lewis on December 12, 2016, 10:34:22 AM
P.S. If you're interested in the cross promo, fill out this form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdupiZRoO2p6LGe7nATzCUe2pQRXg2rRcC1xD1zE35_R5XgtQ/viewform

There are 5 of us so far but we'll need more to make it work! You can submit more than one book (up to three) and you don't have to discount if you don't want! Also, you can share in whatever way suits you best too!
Make that six  ;D
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 10:53:25 AM
Make that six  ;D
Awesome thanks Carey! Hopefully we can make a go of it!

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Post by: Alexander_Baird on December 12, 2016, 10:59:14 AM
I've been lurking in this forum for a while now.  I want to say that you guys are all doing a bang up job.  It's nice to find a corner of the internet full of supportive, lovely people.

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Post by: Alexander_Baird on December 12, 2016, 11:00:55 AM
To be clear - no books of mine have appeared on KS, meaning none have been rejected.  I'll be joining your ranks eventually ;)
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 12, 2016, 11:16:40 AM
P.S. If you're interested in the cross promo, fill out this form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdupiZRoO2p6LGe7nATzCUe2pQRXg2rRcC1xD1zE35_R5XgtQ/viewform

There are 5 of us so far but we'll need more to make it work! You can submit more than one book (up to three) and you don't have to discount if you don't want! Also, you can share in whatever way suits you best too!

I signed up. I won't be able to reduce my price due to just finishing a Countdown deal, but $3.99 isn't expensive compared to trad pub novels. I have no mailing list to speak of, but I can share on FB and Twitter.
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Post by: Kay7979 on December 12, 2016, 11:19:39 AM
To be clear - no books of mine have appeared on KS, meaning none have been rejected.  I'll be joining your ranks eventually ;)

Welcome! Nice to have you aboard.
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Post by: lauramg_1406 on December 12, 2016, 11:20:23 AM