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Writers' Cafe / Re: Assembly-line fiction - how do you feel about it?
« on: January 10, 2018, 03:43:54 PM »
Jena, writerlygal,

This thread is NOT about ethically questionable practices, as far as I am concerned.  Assembly-line or formulaic fiction, as many have pointed out here, has been a part of the industry just about as long as there has been popular fiction.  Please move on.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Assembly-line fiction - how do you feel about it?
« on: January 10, 2018, 03:23:30 PM »

I've removed a post that discussed the "masterminds" of the now locked "Stuffing" thread.  A reminder that this thread is NOT about the stuffing, masterminds or scamming that was discussed in that thread--it's about formulaic or assembly-line fiction.  Posts that try to continue the discussion of the now locked thread will continue to be removed.

Thank you.

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Thanks for taking the time to reply. It never amazes me what a difference of opinion I get. I added the word colossal to replace the original description which was 'each, twenty miles wide' so to emphasize their size. If I simply say Alien objects then they could be each the size of a pinhead. Vast alien objects, was another choice. I've rewritten this so many times I am starting to not see the wood for the trees as it were.

Sorry to be unclear--it wasn't the "colossal" that confused me, it was the "objects."  Way too vague!  I have no idea whether they are giant alien toys or spaceships.... :D

I'm sure some of our resident experts on blurb writing will be by....

As a reader, the first one is better.  The first line in Version Two is offputting to me, it seems like a checklist being marked off.

In both of them, I'm confused by "Colossal alien objects?"  What, giant building blocks? 

I just saw this, and I am touched. Really touched. Beyond words.

Yes, those books will come out, if I have to type The End with my cold blue finger.


You have our thoughts and prayers for strength and healing for you and your family.


Writers' Cafe / Re: 2018 Read Your Dictionary
« on: January 10, 2018, 11:24:51 AM »
I love flipping through dictionaries and reference works, but I think you might get bored with it after a while. If you want my opinion, a much easier and more entertaining way of improving your vocabulary is just to read in general. Get hold of some classic fiction from a hundred years ago (it'll be free if it's out of copyright) and enjoy some good stories. Then make a note of words you didn't understand and look them up later (or then and there, if you prefer).

This is where the Vocabulary builder on the Kindle comes in handy--it will create flash cards of words you've looked up on your Kindle and quiz you on them!  (KB *did* start as a Kindle owner's forum...)

This kind of marketing is a well-known tactic. For example, it seems likely that Hyundai chose their public brand name to resonate with the public who were used to the older, respected "Honda" brand.

Actually, Hyundai was started as a construction company in 1947, before Honda was founded incorporated (apparently founded in 1946. Still, unlikely that the name would have been chosen to mimic an unincorporated small Japanese business). The name means "modernity" in Korean.  They branched out into automobiles in 1967.  So, unlikely that the name was considered in relation to Honda, unless that's why they continued to use the corporate name with the new endeavor, which is possible, I guess.

However, in this particular case, it was probably a coincidence....

Probably?  The "other" Fire and Fury was published in 2008, I think?  Unless you are saying Michael Wolfe was trying to build on the earlier book's fame. :D

But there are indeed lots of cases where name similarity is definitely used--which is why businesses in this country must pursue trademarks or lose them.  I'm put in mind of this case:

Edited to correct wrong date.

Writers' Cafe / Re: 2018 Read Your Dictionary
« on: January 10, 2018, 07:06:22 AM »
I prefer nonfiction in physical format. I'm not a fan of kindle's highlighting.

Different strokes for different folks.  Love the Kindle highlighting, not least because I can call up a list of everything I've highlighted in the book, which makes it easy to find it in the book.  Use it all the time!  Plus I can export the highlighted bits easily.

Kindle's not as easy to flip through as a paper dictionary by the desk or computer. One of the few instances where I still prefer paper. :)

Really?   Hmmmmm...... It's got this feature called Page Flip now that works pretty well. :). Different strokes!

But in the case of the OP, we're not flipping through, we're reading from start to finish, as I understand it.  And then all the benefits of the Kindle rise up---never losing my place, for one!  Multiple bookmarks, highlighting (see above).  There's even a vocabulary builder thingy that I've not used but might be cool to try in this context (if it's still around--haven't looked at it since it was introduced).


Writers' Cafe / Re: Assembly-line fiction - how do you feel about it?
« on: January 10, 2018, 06:57:59 AM »
It makes me sad to read that some of the posters aren't reading as much as they used to.  :( I read as much as I used to...probably more because I can get new books any time I run out (which isn't likely with the thousands of books in my Kindle account, most of them not yet read).  Nothing like downloading a new book at midnight while I'm in bed.

About the only change in my reading habits is that now, occasionally, I don't finish a book. That never used to happen, I always finished what I started, and still do, for the most part.   It's probably because I am reading a lot of indie stuff, and though I generally pick up books by authors here whose posts impress me or who are recommended by friends whose opinion I think mirrors my own as far as reading, sometimes I pick up something else that catches my eye on KU...and *sometimes* those disappoint, so I drop them and pick up something else.  (KU is my main method these days for trying out new authors.). But I'm a binge reader, and if I start on a series, I'll keep going as long as I can find the next book in the series available or another book by the author...which includes buying it if my book budget allows.  I finished over 80 books last year (my record keeping is not perfect), and I don't much like books with fewer than 250-300 pages...

Please don't take this as a sign you need to steal the titles of popular books to drive sales, folks.


But what if Fire and Fury is the perfect title for my historical romance set during the Chicago Fire of 1871 starring milkmaid Samantha Fury?  What's a girl to do?


PS--watch the politics, folks!  No political discussions here on KB....

Writers' Cafe / Re: Assembly-line fiction - how do you feel about it?
« on: January 10, 2018, 03:52:33 AM »

Just catching up on this thread.  We want to keep this thread open.  This thread is not about scamming.  Let's keep it to the OP's topic, thanks.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Kody Boye Publishing Services
« on: January 10, 2018, 03:26:19 AM »
Kody, welcome back to Kboards!

You're welcome to promote your business and website here in the Writers' Café!

Now that you have an official thread, you'll want to add your listing to our Yellow Pages Listing, found here:

The listing is free to KB members and is completely self-service; you can add and edit your listing from the page. More information on our Yellow Pages listing can be found here.

In your thread here, we ask that the same basic rules be followed as we have for authors in the Book Bazaar: you may have this one thread about your service and must post to it rather than start a new thread each time. (Since your earlier thread was never welcomed, we'll lock it and allow this new one!) In the future, new threads about the service wil be merged with this one or removed. Please bookmark this thread so that you can find it again to post to. And, you may not make back-to-back posts to the thread within seven days. If someone responds (such as this post), you may reply but otherwise must wait seven days, thanks!

Note that members may provide civil and honest feedback about your service to this thread, and you may respond in a civil manner. Disputes between you and clients should be handled off site.

KBoards Moderator

Note that this welcome does not constitute an endorsement or vetting of a service by KBoards. Members should do due diligence when considering using a service, for example, by asking KB members for feedback and doing an Internet search such as "service provider name" complaints.

Yeah. I delete at least 90% of mine without posting. If I was smarter it would probably be 95%.

Welcome to the world of a moderator.  ;)

Bottom line, people. Golden rule.  Treat people with the respect you'd like to receive in return.  Not the respect you think they deserve.  An awful lot of the brouhahas that roil up here would never happen if people would post respectfully.  And our job would be much easier.

I appreciate that this thread has gone as well as it has.  Thanks to all of you for that.


Sigh.  Do I really need to ask some of the guys here not to make light of a topic that fellow members take very seriously?  If you don't think this is a serious topic, please find another thread.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: 2018 Read Your Dictionary
« on: January 08, 2018, 09:32:58 PM »
What, no Kindle versions?  :o


Writers' Cafe / Re: More lit fic angst at the The Guardian
« on: January 08, 2018, 10:09:02 AM »

While it is fair enough to PM people with whom one is engaging on the forum (except for unsolicited sales), to do so to engage in personal attacks or otherwise harass a fellow member is not appropriate. 

If you think the content of PMs you've received reaches the level of such harassment, there is a "Report to admin" feature in every PM you receive. Report it and let us handle it.  Or, you may place the person on "Ignore" in which case you will not receive PMs from that person any more. Or you may do both.

You can find "Ignore" within your Profile settings, or go to it directly here:;area=lists;sa=ignore;

How this works:  adding someone's name to the Ignore list will hide the contents of their public posts, though not the fact that they have posted and you have the option of reading the hidden post. They will not be aware that you have them on ignore UNLESS they try to PM you.  The PMing part works a bit differently--you will not receive notification that they have tried to PM you, but they will be told that you are ignoring them.

Let's keep it civil here in the thread.  Disagree without being disagreeable.  I've got the flu and a ban hammer.  The last thing you want is a grumpy sick moderator wielding her ban hammer.

EDIT: Oops!  Evenstar posted while I was being long winded.  What she said.



While "mansplaining" definitely happens (as a woman who worked in the computer industry and who also managed two different national car clubs over a twenty year period, I've been subject to more than my share of mansplaining), it's used too often to close down a line of discussion, which is a problem here. 

Let's not use the term.  You're authors, you have lots of words to choose from.  You should be able counter the points of a valid comment without using it.  Or, if you think the point invalid, say so.  Or ignore it.  Let's not counter condescension with condescension.

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I became aware of this when a fellow quilt artist posted the link on Facebook.  It astounded me that an artist, who *should* be protective of copyright would do that.  :o :-[ :-\ :'(. Which I pointed out.  She gave a weak justification, but I was appalled.

I don't understand why the link is still live...


Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:29:40 AM »

Let's keep on topic of what constitutes stuffing and the issues with it.  Do not derail this thread.  Posts may be edited or removed.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 04, 2018, 01:32:59 PM »

Let!s not discuss each other, keep on topic, thanks.


Writers' Cafe / Re: KU Page Stuffing Explained - Helpful Video
« on: January 04, 2018, 11:54:39 AM »
Hard to stop something I'm not doing. The ethics of this issue, as I said, are very simple. I'll judge anyone I like, and if you don't care for that, Kboards has a function that will allow you not to see my posts.

It has a couple features that will do this.  One of these is called moderation, which can run the gamut from deleting posts to post moderation to forum timeouts.  You are responsible for your own posts, and we expect you to conduct yourself in such a way that the "ignore" feature that I think you meant is not needed.  Let's keep it civil.

In other news, TobiasRoote and Modi Gliani, you are banned from this conversation due to pushback against Evenstar's moderation, those posts now removed.   

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Not Quite Kindle / Re: OMG its snowing
« on: January 04, 2018, 04:34:03 AM »
Started snowing here sometime after midnight.  By 1AM every thing was coated in white.  Can't tell if it's still snowing as it's a dry snow and the wind is blowing it around a lot.

Let's Talk Kindle! / Re: How Long Do Your Kindle Ereaders Last?
« on: December 31, 2017, 09:12:33 PM »
With the keyboard one I had years ago the battery died. With the paper white I bought about 2 years ago, it's getting slow. When I go to my library it takes several seconds, and when I scroll through the pages of the library, it takes about 10 seconds per page.

I have maybe 400+ books on it. Do you think that might be the problem?

What Kimberly said.  You may find doing a reset refreshes the speed.


Let's Talk Kindle! / Re: How Long Do Your Kindle Ereaders Last?
« on: December 31, 2017, 04:27:52 PM »
Or, they could be getting too full.  How many books do you keep on them?


Let's Talk Kindle! / Re: How Long Do Your Kindle Ereaders Last?
« on: December 31, 2017, 04:26:45 PM »
They could be getting jostled too much in the backpack.  What kind of problems are you having?


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