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Writers' Cafe / Re: What a difference a year makes
« on: April 10, 2014, 12:34:13 PM »
Someone told me Russell had signed off of Kboards, so I had to come back and see for myself.

All I can say is, "Russell, I beat you to it, man! I signed off last week! Hah!" (Coming back to say this doesn't count, right?)

Peace out, Kboards.

Writers' Cafe / Re: I'm shocked at editing prices!
« on: April 05, 2014, 04:28:34 PM »

Writers' Cafe / Re: Draft2Digital: How long until "published"?
« on: April 05, 2014, 11:46:32 AM »
So here's an update: my book finally showed up on Apple exactly 7 days later. So a week, it seems like, is your waiting period.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Thoughts on errors
« on: April 05, 2014, 11:42:01 AM »
but you felt the need to keep this one yeah, thanks :p

How does one keep "alive" a thread that's less than an hour old? Whatever. Don't say I didn't warn you when this thing devolves into a full-on war between the "I don't need no stinkin' editors!" people vs. the "Everyone needs an editor!" folks.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Thoughts on errors
« on: April 05, 2014, 11:23:52 AM »
Oy. There are already a couple of throwdown threads about editing. I don't think we need another one!

Writers' Cafe / Re: Fake author bio
« on: April 05, 2014, 11:20:08 AM »
Funny, my author bio doesn't say very much about me, but there are no lies in it, either. I wanted to present a casual, welcoming introduction to myself. The most concrete thing in the whole bio is a general region of where I live. I really just wanted to present a profile that readers wouldn't be intimidated by, and I think it serves that purpose.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Any tips for writing fight scenes?
« on: April 05, 2014, 11:13:48 AM »
The most interesting part of a fight is not the blow by blow of who hit who where, but how they react to being hit and how they avoid being hit. I find the scene most riveting if I have a clear point of view from an observer and not from one of the combatants.

It depends on your audience. If your audience are romance readers, then they don't care about the specifics. If your audience was wean on action books, the more detail, the better. You don't have to wallow in it, of course, but knowing where the kidney is, how many bones the body has, is very useful in crafting a visually stimulating fight scene.

Also, throw out all the rules of grammar. Clipped sentences. Run-on sentences. Whatever works. Bottom line, if you can visualize what's happening, it should work on paper. If you can't see it in your mind as you're describing the fight, then it's probably going to read like a mess on paper, too.

But again, it depends on your audience. You can write to their expectations, or lack thereof.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Draft2Digital: How long until "published"?
« on: April 04, 2014, 03:46:53 PM »
It's been a week since I tried to publish to Apple via D2D with my latest book. Usually it takes around a week, but I'm still waiting, and today marks a week, so who knows. Meanwhile, I upload directly to the other channels. Google Play is the fastest (less than a day), but you need to have all your accounts in order and verified; Kobo and Nook took 4-5 days. KDP, of course, is the fastest in the West.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Six Books vs Twelve Books per Year
« on: April 04, 2014, 03:32:13 PM »
If you're only writing 50-70K word books, 12 books a year is easy as pie. It takes me 3 months to get each 150K (and above) book out -- that includes a half dozen rewrites, three editors, and professional production. But that doesn't mean I can only put out 4 books a year. You will be working on other books while re-writing another book, or getting the other book edited, etc. Unless you're only capable of doing one book at a time for whatever reason, then yes, 6 or even 12 books a year may seem monumental to you. Even doing 150K-and-above books, I won't have much trouble putting out 6-7 books this year.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Am I a huge hypocrite?
« on: April 04, 2014, 02:15:39 PM »
So I have been here with you guys fighting the good fight in the name of self-publishing. I have started the process of self-publishing my novel and all was going good. Before I decided to self-publish I had sent my novel to a couple of different major publishers in my genre (horror, Sci-Fi) kind of as a lark (thinking they'll never get back to me, but it's worth the longshot).

Yup all was going forward as planned, but now one of those "dream publishers" are approaching me offering a contract. Of course I will make sure all terms are fair, but I still feel a little bit... I dunno ... like I'm being two-faced.

My question is would I be going against everything that is good and pure in the world to sign with a Traditional publisher? I will always maintain my self-publishing roots and be somewhat of a hybrid type. I really love the style and look of the books this pub is putting out. They have a pretty big stable of best-sellers and I've talked with two of their authors who couldn't be happier.

Can I still hang with you guys even if I'm not one of the cool kids anymore? Would you feel betrayed that someone who has been talking up the benefits of self-publishing goes and signs with a trade?

Thanks for any responses.

Nah. If it's your dream to get signed by a tradpub (especially from your dream publisher) I'd say to go for it. It's nobody's biz but yours, since it's your career.

Personally, this self-publishing thing was where I always wanted to be, and [HUMBLEBRAG] I turned down two offers of representation from two well-known agencies recently because of that. Maybe in a year I'll change my mind, but for now, this is where I wanna be.

Everyone has their own dreams. Follow yours, regardless of what anyone says. If it doesn't work out? This self-publishing this isn't going anywhere.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Do you NEED an editor, or is it GOOD to have one?
« on: April 04, 2014, 11:13:53 AM »
That's not actually the issue. The point of that story was that a) even professional editing doesn't guarantee a well-edited product, and b) there is ample evidence that many (not ALL, but many) readers will overlook or fail to notice bad editing if they like the story. No one has made any argument that this is the way to go; just that there is way more nuance to this entire discussion than the "spend lots of money or you're a mere dabbler doomed to failure" argument allows for.

I'm not talking about that story per se, I'm talking about the overall theme of this thread, but whatever, it's pointless to argue.

Like Russell, I'm ditching this thread after this post, because frankly, it's no skin off my nose if you guys want to invest in as little as possible in your writing career in the mistaken belief that you're super talented enough to edit your own books and design your own covers and bang out your own formatted books and dagnabbit, no one's gonna tell me what I can or can't do!

Awesome. Go for it.

But if you're trying to sell a book in my genre, it's a pretty good bet I'm going to eat your lunch.


Writers' Cafe / Re: Do you NEED an editor, or is it GOOD to have one?
« on: April 04, 2014, 11:00:12 AM »
Yes, it says something about the publisher, but if the book sold well, it also says that the readers either didn't notice or forgave the errors because they liked the story. And if it sold well, that means that many of them also recommended the book to their friends.

Well that's the issue, isn't it? Are you really that good of a writer that you can survive editing mistakes and a terrible cover? Lee Child could. Brad Thor? Not so much.

God, you guys are nice.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Kind of fun
« on: April 04, 2014, 09:58:32 AM »
Dammit, when is one of Amazon's imprints gonna contact me. I want one of those!!

Writers' Cafe / Re: Do you NEED an editor, or is it GOOD to have one?
« on: April 04, 2014, 09:51:17 AM »
Russell, you have the patience of a saint, sir.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Blurb help
« on: April 04, 2014, 09:12:59 AM »

thank you again. i really appreciate your patience.

tweaked a bit from my end:

Ex-Special Forces operative Zeb Carter is sent to the Congo by a secretive black-ops agency, with a simple brief: Identify rogue operatives; Do Not Engage. What he witnesses there is so barbaric, he embarks on a mission of his own--delivering his brand of justice.

Determined to hunt them down and uncover their mysterious employers, Zeb trails them to New York. There the grim reality is all too clear: He may be the only one interested in justice. Corrupt politicians and government agencies with vested interests want the whole affair buried--even if that means burying Zeb along with it.

The Warrior is the first book in a new thriller series.

Hey, coolpixel, I think your old blurb was a million times better than this new one, which just doesn't read well. It's too disjointed and confusing. Most of your readers won't know what a "brief" is, and the second paragraph just comes out of nowhere, too fast. You also took away the very awesome plot angle about Broker and the enemy who might be too much for our hero. I thought that was great.

I really do think you should go back to something similar to what you wrote, or (and I know I'm a bit biased here), what I revised. This new one just feels disjointed and too cold, like you're trying to save space at the expense of the story and the character. Lummox JR will probably take offense to this, but I think he/she is nitpicking you to death, until you're left with this dry, cold blurb devoid of personality.

Writers' Cafe / Re: New Author,KDP SELECT,????
« on: April 04, 2014, 09:03:54 AM »
In my experience, price doesn't matter for my borrows. I get as many on the 99-cent book as on the $3.99 books. Mostly, readers seem to be looking for books with lots of reviews--don't want to "waste" their one borrow.

You tend to get a lot more borrows once you have more reviews and your books are ranked higher, unfortunately.

I do get a higher percentage of them at the beginning of the month.

You're probably right about price having no affect on borrows. Since all my books are priced the same at the moment, I have no frame of reference regarding this.

Writers' Cafe / Re: New Author,KDP SELECT,????
« on: April 03, 2014, 10:30:41 PM »
Since we're speaking of Select, I thought I'd add on a question of my own. How do KLL borrows work? Do people with a Kindle and Prime get to borrow only 1 book per month? Do these borrows usually get cashed in on the first couple of days of the month?

It's strange because I've gotten sales for my novel but no borrows at all. I launched last month (but not at the beginning of the month). So I was wondering, how could I market my book to get more borrows?

I also don't know how people borrow with the KLL and what kind of visibility the available books get. I don't have a Kindle.


Yes, and yes. Borrows count as a "sale" for the author. It's usually around $2 regardless of your listed book price. Books in Select qualify for borrowing, but there are no special visibility that I know of. When you browse a book on the Kindle, it just has the option to borrow if that book is in Select.

And yes, most borrows take place early in the month, as it resets every month, and people are anxious to use up their borrows, usually on expensive books, or books they think are too risky to spend their own money on.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon updating the way series books are listed
« on: April 03, 2014, 08:42:03 PM »
I'll skip it until they give me a deadline. I haven't gotten an email from them yet, so that's good. I'll leave my titling as is. Readers don't seem to have much trouble finding it, and I'm not a fan of how they do the listing on their paperbacks. I made the mistake of adding a series title and volume number, and all those separate parenthesis is just ugly.

Writers' Cafe / Re: When people write you do you ask for reviews?
« on: April 03, 2014, 08:34:34 PM »
I'm really good at saying thank you for reviews on my blog and Facebook page (and it REALLY helps generate new reviews too!)

...but not so good at asking for them. Do you have something standard you say to people who contact you? I feel a little uncomfortable, after they went through all the trouble to write me an email, I'm not sure it's appropriate to ask for more.

What do you do?

Back when I was starting out, I did the "don't forget to leave a review if you haven't yet!" thing to a couple of the first fan mails I ever got. But then one of them told me she doesn't leave reviews, and I felt really bad about asking for it, because you know, she probably felt bad about it, too. So after those first couple emails, I just thank them for giving me a read. The number of people who will leave reviews are tiny, but the number of people who will take the time to hunt down your email address and email you are even smaller. They will also be your most loyal fan, so don't put anything on them like asking for a review, because it's just awkward. Anyways, chances are most of them will have left reviews already.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Question about Copyright Services
« on: April 03, 2014, 09:25:42 AM »
Okay so sort of putting out feelers and sort of seeing about an idea.

My dad lost his job as a lobbyist in DC, and what he lobbied was copyright and trademark (think Disney's extension of Mickey's copyright cause that was his firm). He is despondent cause he's 64 and can't get a new job,  and thinks that it has to be about what he did before and being in DC. I was thinking that someone who, granted is not a practicing lawyer now (he passed OH's bar but never was doing that, just lobbying), but who has 35 years of in depth copyright knowledge at the federal level might be able to do something more mild/entrepreneurial but consulting virtually/explaining copyright issues and where resources are to file things or what X client can't do in this case/what their options are. I mean like "25 dollars to answer complex questions and help you find referrals/lawyers in your area if need be" via his contacts.

I just was thinking with indie authors, independent bands, and people starting youtube or bliptv careers---all us home industry artists who need to check copyright fast and have 25 bucks for some quick explanations but maybe don't need to see a full lawyer for like 200 bucks----might benefit from that type of service/help.

BUt maybe that's not a good idea and there's no market.

I was just gauging what general people here thought as authors themselves.

There is a market for this. That's why sites like exists. I've used it before to ask a copyright/trademark question. Cost me $30 I think, and it was worth it. (You can pay more to get an answer faster; I paid $30 and got an answer within a day, depending on the availability of the person you chose to answer your question.) I chose a law professor, who answered my question and follow-up questions. Put my mind greatly at ease and I thought it was well worth the cost. Given your dad's vast experience, has he tried to get a job with a site like that? He gets paid per question (and I assume he splits it with the site), so he could easily do it from home and only whenever someone sends him a question. Given his experience, I'm sure he would get picked quite a bit by people seeking answers.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Serial or Series for Scifi/Superhero stories?
« on: April 03, 2014, 08:54:38 AM »


Writers' Cafe / Re: How invested are you (financially)?
« on: April 03, 2014, 08:53:02 AM »
I can't believe people are still arguing with Russell. The dude has sold like a gazillion books. I give up on this thread.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon updating the way series books are listed
« on: April 03, 2014, 08:45:13 AM »
I don't understand the excitement over this. Can someone explain it to me? I've been adding my book numbers in parenthesis since the beginning and it's worked just fine. In fact, I even prefer the "look" of it that way, e.g.


So now it'll be


And everyone is going nuts over this? Couldn't you have already put that in your title if you wanted to?

Maybe I'm missing something here...

Writers' Cafe / Re: Serial or Series for Scifi/Superhero stories?
« on: April 03, 2014, 08:35:46 AM »
I can't imagine writing anything longer that 65K. The money these days is in more titles (novellas or novelettes or whatever) all set in the same universe. My gestating superhero idea would tell complete stories in a shorter 30K word format.  More like an hour-episode of a TV show than a 2-hour movie.

My bank account begs to differ.

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