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I have a theory, but Iím not sure anyone will like it or itís easily solved. Try not personalize this theory because itís not targeted at anyone or laying blame on anyone in this thread. Itís only a possible explanation and nothing else.

We all know there are friendly and/or incentivized circles inside KU. These are groups of people who download books and flip through pages so the author gets paid. Itís not a bot, but a real person with a real account. Itís not offshore and probably includes a lot of authors who are ďhelpingĒ one another out. It was always going to happen because the design of KU makes it too easy to do.

If this was done on a small scale (& Iím sure it always has been), then it wouldnít be much of an issue. Maybe 10% of page reads were duds, but if this tactic escalated and thousands of people participated, then 50% or more page reads could be duds. Thatís going to hammer down the page rate and drive non participating authors and possibly real readers out of KU.

Could Amazon track this sort of behavior? Not while it was a small percentage, but if it got to be a higher percentage then of course they could. So, itís possible it got to be too higher percentage of page reads and Amazon got enough data to identity the participants.

Does that mean all authors being zinged weíre part of the ďfriendlyĒ circle? No. In theory, those circles could be downloading other books and flipping through them as a way of shielding the target books.

How do you stop someone Amazon has decided is a ďbad actorĒfrom downloading your book? You canít, so unless youíre participating in one of the circles there is no way to defend against them. In fact, there probably isnít way to stop it other than to leave KU, but if Amazon retrospectively punish then youíre done.

The only possible positive note is that Amazon may be sending out a warning to everyone in KU to stay clean. If thatís the case this will stop next month, but if the various circles donít shut down, then Amazon will keep this up until they catch everyone including the dolphins.

Let me get this straight...

The last game was the circular one where you have to use AMS to be visible to get page reads, but then pay a good percentage (if not all and then some) back to AMS. Letís not forget the 6 week delay between paying AMS and getting paid by Amazon for page reads.

Now Amazon have decided to cut out the middle man, namely AMS, and go straight to removing page reads. This game is even more fun. Now you pay AMS to get page reads, which Amazon might take away the following month after youíve spent (& paid for) the money with AMS.


If Amazon know 50% of page reads are fake, then why do they allow them to be reported at all? Shouldnít they cancel ďbad actorísĒ account, after all they clearly know who they are, donít they?

This ďillicitĒ page reads is turning into a terrific catch-all excuse for Amazon anytime they want to tune their margins. And they donít even need to prove it. Kinda says it all really. KU has no integrity and apparently neither do KDP.

I made the USA Today list with a book in only my name. That book continues to sell well, as do the follow on books. I use the ďlettersĒ sporadically on various marketing materials to promote other books.

I donít think having the ďlettersĒ is what sells books, but having control of the book that won the letters does. By that I mean, if the book is good enough to sell that many copies (without resorting to any ďtricksĒ other than straightforward advertizing), then it acts as a great introduction to your entire catalog. If the book gained its letters by being forced there (I think we all know the difference), then it might not be such a good intro.

Nothing beats a book that resonates with real buyers and, with or without those letters, providing you get the book visible then itíll help sell your entire catalog. How you get those letters is probably more important than having them, which means you can do just as well without them. Itís not having the letters that sells my catalog, but having a popular book as a hook does.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Are Also Boughts Gone?
« on: April 22, 2018, 02:28:37 AM »
The alsoboughts are useful for us, certainly, but if this is what they are testing, I can see why it might make sense. Presumably they want to find out whether the increased amount authors would need to spend on AMS ads would outweigh the sell-through they get from alsoboughts. I can even see a situation where they might make authors pay to show the actual alsoboughts on the page.

ETA: this is pure speculation, by the way.

I can see how it would benefit Amazon, but it does take away the last free feature they offer. Letís hope this isnít their latest evil plan.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Are Also Boughts Gone?
« on: April 22, 2018, 01:56:17 AM »
I've been seeing it for a while on my phone, and it's been discussed here before. Not to start a 'sky is falling' rumour, but I suspect Amazon are experimenting with no alsoboughts.

If thatís true, then theyíre taking away the last useful feature of their site. Thanks to the expanding content mills and KU borrow equals sale, the cat 100s are out of reach for many (even if they are in KU). If the ABs go, then 99.99999999% of books will not visible other than through advertizing, whether thatís with AMS or others.

Being wide I have to advertize anyway, but it would just be another nail in Amazonís coffin for me. Theyíre already becoming only 40% of my sales and even less of my US sales, so I guess that percentage will get even smaller.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Are Also Boughts Gone?
« on: April 22, 2018, 01:34:36 AM »
First time I saw it I thought amazon had wrecked the ABs, but very few people saw it and it went away with a reboot. Itís weird yours isnít. If itís an incoming change, then none of us will be happy about that.  >:(

Writers' Cafe / Re: Are Also Boughts Gone?
« on: April 22, 2018, 01:24:45 AM »
It appears to be a bug on the iPads. If you clear your browser they should appear correctly. If not, then try rebooting as well. That seems to fix it.

The content mills target the book a day reader, or at least the ones that donít use jerk circles and bots to inflate downloads and reads will. I still believe, and it is supported by Amazonís round of banning and suspending of author and customer accounts, that there is a decent percentage of fraud happening in KU.

I suspect the only way to fight the content mills is not to target the reader type theyíre chasing, which is the read a book (or two) a day crowd. Although that type of reader might only be 30% of the KU subscriber base, they probably do something like 85% of the page reads, if not more if you include the scamming and jerk circles.

Ultimately, and itís probably not too far in the future, the content mills will infect every genre because most have a percentage of that type of reader. You can probably dodge the bullet by being agile for a little longer, but I doubt itís a long term strategy.

Do Amazon care about the content mills taking control like this? I donít think
Amazon get involved in content, quality or method of generation (providing its within the law), so much like the book stuffing issue, I think you can expect little help. To be honest, I think they barely care about the jerk circles and bots, but they do try to keep it in check because, beyond a certain level, it will completely wreck the store for the customer.

I suspect many authors will end up supplying content to the mills. You can already see it happening. Ghostwriting appears to be growing, some players are aiming to buy entire catalogs (no judgement about that because I genuinely donít care), increased coauthoring, and outright rebadging by some, where theyíve bought the book for either nothing or a few hundred bucks.

Where does all this lead? I keep saying the same thing because I think itís true. The content mills only want one type of reader, which is the book a day KU subscriber. I think if you want to survive in this industry, youíll have to learn how to do it without that type of reader. That being the case, then itíll be less about genre/trope/niche and more about building a genuine following who may only read a book a month, so youíll need more of them to make bank and being wide might be the way to go. Itís also a much slower way to build a fan base, but youíd like to think theyíll be loyal.

I guess you must pick between door one and door two, but behind one is a lion and the other has a tiger.  :-X

You are welcome.  :)

If you click on the individual star ratings (ie the 5 yellow star line) instead of the ďshow all reviewsĒ, then youíll see the reviews are still there. The only thing I havenít seen before is none of the reviews are showing on the main page, but it could be because they are all very new. Iíve had it happen before and believe itís a glitch. Give it a day or two, then contact KDP if they donít show up on the page.

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU -vs- Other retailers
« on: April 19, 2018, 12:37:44 PM »
I would love to be out of KU.

I don't like being so dependent on Amazon, and I don't like that my books have to be sold exclusively through them while in KU.

But at this point of my self-publishing career, I don't think it makes sense to go wide.

Although, I hope to do so someday.

It helps to have a bigger catalog. A single series is like having one book because you must choose to be all in or all out. I knew when I left KU that I could, at a push, drop a series back in. In fact, I did enrol one book after I left (Amazon made a mistake and unenrolled it after about ten days and I never renrolled because I sort of regretted chickening out ó yeah, yeah, I get itís not PC to call it that, but itís how I felt at the time).

There is also the worry about leaving the mothership. Mommy is bad tempered, a bit of a drinker, and shouts a lot, but you know her quirks and sheís predictably p*ssed most of the time. Without all the unwritten and barely written rules in the TOS, you do feel a bit untethered, but that passes fairly quickly and I was surprised how much changed for me. Little things like release cycles and relaxing launch activities to suit my personal schedule.

Being wide is very different to being in KU, and I suspect both experiences are worth having, even if itís just to know for absolute sure what each side looks like for you. That way you are not relying on third-party and potentially skewed versions of a truth that isnít yours anyway.

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU -vs- Other retailers
« on: April 19, 2018, 12:22:48 PM »
Also, some of us have been in KU and wide, so our comparisons are based on real life experience. Some people left a few years ago, others more recently, and that changes their assessment. For some people it takes time to get traction wide, and others not so much. There are also people who have been in KU, wide, back in, and some still have a foot in both camps.

As is often the case in this business, itís difficult to get a one size fits all solution, or a simple ďdo this and that will happenĒ answer. There are just too many dynamics at play.

Just be aware this subject is fraught with people who want to prove theyíre doing the right thing by being in KU or out of it. It skews their assessment because theyíve made a call and want to believe itís right, so proving it to other people can build confidence in their own decision. The truth is there is only whatís right for you, which is likely to take some experimentation. Go ahead and be in or out because you can always change you mind later.

Writers' Cafe / Re: KU -vs- Other retailers
« on: April 19, 2018, 11:37:08 AM »
Just to counterpoint some of the awesome assumptions in this thread.

Some authors (& it is more than a few) get more than 50% of their revenue wide and make 80+% margin.

Bookbub appear to favor wide books over KU and they are a unique marketing capability, in that they can put book after book into the top 50 - 100 in, and even higher on the other stores. They can achieve such impressive results that authors will leave KU just to try and get one of their Featured Deals.

Thanks to the over enthusiastic KU take up there is a lot less competition wide, which means our advertizing budgets go a lot further.

We also donít worry about exclusivity, or book stuffing, or scammers, or niche tropes, or length of book, or page rates to know what we earned, or monthly schedules so we are on the HNR, or our ranks because ours will always be shot on Amazon, which means we are free to create when we want, what we want, and give it to whomever we please. Makes life a lot simpler.

Many of us who are wide are profitable. Could we make more money if we enrolled in KU? Some might, some might not, it really depends on what you write, frequency of publishing, length of book, etc. I probably would make more in KU, for a while at least, but eventually Iíd be chasing the dragon, advertizing like crazy, giving Amazon most of my margin through AMS ads, while getting frustrated by how badly they run KU, not to mention the risk of being threatened because they think I cheated even if I didnít.

There is a lot more to being in or out of KU than making money versus not because both paths can do that depending on your books and talent, but you wonít understand it by reading the board, you really need to live it and draw your own conclusions.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon Files Suit Against Book Stuffers [MERGED]
« on: April 18, 2018, 12:17:50 PM »
"Educated" guesses, based on a transparent methodology rooted in hard but slim data. It's nothing to be dismissive about, really. Just toss it on the broader pile of speculations unraveling in these threads.

The reason I take exception to this type of playing around with numbers is because, unless people take the time to read how theyíve been derived, they can be mistaken for fact, which they arenít. This particular source havenít followed a methodology, theyíve simply used a calculation method based on a set of assumptions, which could easily be wrong.

Iíve spent a long time in corporate looking at a range of numbers for different reasons and, even within a business, numbers are frequently skewed to present one ďtruthĒ versus another.

People should always remember that

(1) unless the number comes from a reliable source (in this case it would have to be Amazon and no one else because they donít publish numbers at this detail level), or
(2) you can see the source data (which you never can when it comes to Amazon),

then any numbers are based on assumptions, which could well be wildly wrong (because there is no way to benchmark to know how right you might be).

Now, the problem is that belief in one scenario versus another (such as KU does or doesnít make profit)  turns into religion, where people choose what they believe and then hold onto it for grim death. Then we all end up arguing over trivialities and missing the main point, just like weíre doing now.

So, enough said. Iíve made my point.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon Files Suit Against Book Stuffers [MERGED]
« on: April 18, 2018, 11:21:06 AM »
There's interesting though speculative data on Written Word Media. Some quick takeaways (data from February 2017):

In February 2017 there were an estimated 3,360,000,000 KENP pages read, equal to 12,440,000 full novels (avg. 250 pages).

The average KU subscriber reads five books a month.

There are about 2,488,000 active KU subscribers, or 3,000,000 total including non-active, earning the KU pot nearly $30,000,000 per month.

Based on these estimates (which don't match KDP numbers from their monthly fund newsletter--I'm never sure what those numbers mean exactly), KU is probably self-sustaining revenue-wise.

In any subscription scheme, there will always be a sizeable portion of subscribers that seldom or never partake of their memberships. They sign-up and forget. I read about thirty percent of Netflix subscribers fail to login in monthly. Witten Media's estimate of half a million non-active KU subscribers is probably accurate. They don't earn authors anything, so for Amazon, it's like a $5,000,000 bonus.

Their assumptions are guesses like everyone elseís. Until Amazon publish the data, and even then Iím not sure they wouldnít spin the truth, no one will ever know. It all comes down to what you want to believe and thatís usually whatever serves your world view.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon Files Suit Against Book Stuffers [MERGED]
« on: April 18, 2018, 10:57:38 AM »
Prime is a lot more expensive than KU. In fact, an awful lot of KU subscriptions were given away for free.

Amazon keep saying they're adding more money to the KU pot to pay out to authors. While we have no idea whether that bears any resemblance to the truth, if it does, that means they're losing money on it. So they're doing it for a reason other than making money on that service. It's a loss-leader of some kind, not a way to make a profit. Which is why they can continue to offer terms that would be unaffordable to a company trying to make a business in the subscription market (e.g. the other services that have shut down or limited the amount that readers are allowed to read each month).

(In fact, as I understand it, Amazon loses money on pretty much all of its business other than 'The Cloud'. Their 'cloud' services fund the losses they make elsewhere.)

Do a little more research into Amazonís long term strategy and business model and youíll get a different perspective, but like is said, I canít argue about this.

Also, no one is supposed to get KU for free indefinitely. Itís a paid for service and the free is an intro only. And Prime can be very cheap depending on how you buy it, but Amazon have publicly admitted it loses money and always has.

Seriously though, I just canít have this argument anymore. People can believe whatever they want about the real purpose of KU and Prime for that matter.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon Files Suit Against Book Stuffers [MERGED]
« on: April 18, 2018, 10:52:35 AM »
TT and David, I agree with you both about KU's warping of the indie book market. Good points. Without KU, or with a different form of KU, non-commodified books would be more visible and could attract the readers who prefer them, allowing both types of book to coexist viably, but the current system makes visibility difficult, especially for newer authors who can't get the ball rolling with their mailing lists or social media presence. I'm sure it does drive prices down and push people out of the business. Perhaps just in romance/erotica, at this point, but it could spread. As I recall, one of levolal's more piquant comments (which I edited) claimed it wasn't nearly as easy to move purchased content in several other genres, but I wonder if that's just because he/she is less practiced at identifying workable content for those markets. I do think most genres have their formulas.

On the question of manipulation, it seems to me the smartest way for a doesn't-give-a-fig-about-books publisher to take advantage of KU would be to purchase the cheapest product that's just good enough to induce a good chunk of people to read the full 3,000 pages and then to work more or less within the rules of the system, so that page-reads, books, and accounts aren't lost to Amazon's enforcement machine. I wonder if we're seeing a move toward that model, at this point. It's not something that'd be easy to resist because there might not be TOS breakage that rises to the level of prompting action from Amazon (some level of duplication in stuffing, for instance). What manipulation occurs might be outside Amazon's purview -- it's not Amazon's job to enforce CAN-SPAM, for instance, or to see to it that ghostwriters are decently compensated.

As authors, we wouldn't be in a good position to do anything about such a situation. If everyone who wasn't commodifying left KU at once, that might force changes, but any non-commodity producers who chose to stay in while their peers left would reap the benefits of being the only ones offering non-commodity books within KU. That'd be a huge inducement to stay in, so some would; others would see that happening and return. All that's to say, solutions that depend on people choosing not to do the things people always do just are not workable. People seize advantages over others; people fight tooth and nail to defend their interests. Not every person, but enough people to sink any movement that depends on everyone just opting not to do X, Y, or Z out of the goodness of their hearts.

So ... dunno. We may be dependent on Amazon's seeing an advantage in keeping a diverse array of books -- including books by new indie authors -- visible in KU and thus taking steps to limit commodification within the program.

You can never get a black and white answer to KU simply because everyone is standing in a slightly different spot. By that I mean, some people have large fan bases (often because they published earlier), others write very specific niches that have little competition, and too many have no strings to their bow at all, not even a little investment capital to waste.

Depending on where you stand, KU can still be the best game in town, but Amazon need to play the percentages or one day all that will be left is over stuffed commodity books, sad little books no one will ever read, and a few lucky souls with large fan bases and/or little competition. When the KU members do a mass exodus so only the high volume readers are left, then Amazon will own the least profitable reader market in the world (except for maybe libraries).

The book stuffing thing doesnít bother me. I think the real problem is how Amazon choose to lose money to supposedly win a market (although it remains to be seen the quality of market theyíll end up winning in the book business if they donít sort out their house). For as long as theyíre willing to lose money and overpay for KU books, because thatís effectively what theyíre doing when they lose money, then it wonít matter how many scams they close out. If you want the scams to go away, then solve the root problem.

And I think every genre is infected with these games, not a single one is clean anymore.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon Files Suit Against Book Stuffers [MERGED]
« on: April 18, 2018, 09:54:04 AM »
KU doesn't exist to make a profit. It exists to get readers to come to Amazon for free books, so they'll buy toilet paper while they're there.

Iím so tired of hearing that argument. Prime offers free shipping and thatís close to all the inducement anyone needs, but believe what you will. Itís not worth arguing about.

The reason Amazon lose money in these businesses, which includes Prime, is to capture a market. The theory is once they capture enough, then they control suppliers and customers and everyone will pay to use them. Suppliers pay to advertize, customers pay to subscribe, Amazon take a margin from every sales, blah, blah blah.

So far, the shareholders have bought in on the story and, for many years, Bezos convinced shareholders to measure his success based on the number of Prime members. Is it going to play out the way heís sold it? Nobody knows. Read the sharemarket views, other businesses, government, politicians, other countries, various pundits, and even Bezos himself, and you will get a variety of predictions. Personally, I have no idea, but I do know the KU game is a small part of a much bigger one.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon Files Suit Against Book Stuffers [MERGED]
« on: April 18, 2018, 08:44:07 AM »
In a natural market, this balances itself out. No, not everyone is happy but at least the cheap product sold in volume only makes a small amount per sale, i.e. cheap products tend to have thin margins.

But KU skews that by providing huge, artificially inflated margins on a cheap product. Nowhere else can the list price be 99c but the payout be almost $15. It's very hard to enforce limits on tactics that provide payouts 30x higher than retail, as long as you're willing to use shady tactics or outright scam.

Thatís the exact point Iím making, David. Commodity isnít a dirty word in a normal market, but Amazon have [illegitimate person]ized this market and many others by losing money. For as long as they keep doing it, then we end up with situations that attract scammers like a seal pup in a shark pool. This is one of the reasons I went wide. The future of KU canít be good, not while Amazon make it so worthwhile to cheat. Even if Amazon were on the up and up, theyíve created a model that discourages anyone else to be, because even the straight players feel so outplayed many will resort to gray or even black hat tactics.

To some extent, it would be better to allow the page rate to drop to what it really is if Amazon were to earn profit from the subscription. Authors would scream, but many if not most scammers would leave. But I donít see Amazon doing that near term because theyíre using a mixed margin model, where theyíre taking some from KU and a lot from AMS. That said, I still doubt KU is profitable, even with all that AMS money.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon Files Suit Against Book Stuffers [MERGED]
« on: April 18, 2018, 08:20:58 AM »
My mind is circling around these questions and not really coming up with a clear answer. I think I'm having trouble considering them apart from the question of manipulation. I mean, if there were truly no shady activities going on, and if Amazon's systems always counted page-reads accurately, then readers would pass judgment on content like the stuff levolal buys, just like they do on my books. Either it'd find a reasonable audience, or it wouldn't. That is to say, commodification, in and of itself, doesn't particularly bother me; it's become a cultural constant for us. Commodified content probably isn't going to appeal to me, but if it appeals to someone else, who am I to judge? Buuut I'm getting the sense that we'll never be confident manipulation isn't happening. Similarly, we may never have full confidence in the competence of Amazon's systems. Not sure where that leaves us, other than in not a good situation.

The problem with commodification is it pushes down prices. Now, you might say so what, if thatís what the market are prepared to pay, then whatís the issue? There isnít one providing it doesnít kill off the non commodity product, which unfortunately it often does. If commodity takes up 90% of the customers/revenue/margin, that doesnít leave a lot of room for the rest. In the book industry, TPs are starting to look like non commodity and the content mills are churning out the dime a book stuff, because to the KU reader thatís what theyíre paying. Usually commodity is controlled by how many players can afford to be paid a dime a book, and thatís where Amazon mess up this business. For as long as the commodity payer can earn so much through KU, then weíre going be flooded with those types of books. It makes visibility near impossible on Amazon without a shedload or marketing, which probably suits them because they earn back the page reads money through AMS.

So, having commodity books isnít a problem because theyíve always happily coexisted with the non commodity, but if Amazon pay more than they earn for those books, which Iím pretty sure they do, then the content mills end up swamping the site with those types of books. Itís not a problem for the TPs because they have lots of methods for being visible, but the rest of the non commodity indies are getting buried unless they pay Amazon all or a lot of their margin.

You mean even bots have a tbr mountain??? Argh!


Writers' Cafe / Re: Going wide [UPDATED: FIRST THREE MONTHS]
« on: April 16, 2018, 08:37:33 AM »
I found the exact opposite - specifically with Kobo as a keyword. I thought it was perhaps because Kobo readers are less price sensitive, and therefore better off and more expensive to target for anything. I wonder whose results are the anomaly?

Iíd have to check the numbers, but if memory serves I pay around 25 - 30 per click for a mixed platform ad on FB that includes Amazon and half that for kobo only, so to me thatís a cheaper. However, my conversion was poor, so I quit that tactic while I try and sort out why. Not sure if itís ad copy, market, targeting for the kobo audience or what. Itíll take a few attempts to keep testing. Itís the nature of being wide. No one can tell you exactly whatíll work for you so you have to test it for yourself.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon - It gets worse - check your sales!
« on: April 16, 2018, 06:28:56 AM »
So I finally had a response from KDP, after sending them proof.

They told me because what I sent them wasn't their own spreadsheets, it wasn't proof, because it was from a 3rd party they didn't support.

The only way you can prove anything is apparently to save all the spreadsheets every day, using a time dated file name, so you can send them the original one before they wiped it clean later on doing something shady.

This is what zero accountability means. Instead of using proper accounting, and putting extra records on with negative amounts when something is removed, which anyone looking can see and do the math, they simply delete the file and replace it with one which says whatever they want it to say. Then they point at the file and say 'nothing has changed'. This isn't accounting, its fraud.

I went and checked my own books for March and Iím about 30 short, but Iím not in KU and ran no discounts for the month. My guess is itís the cutover between the months where some payments failed and others have not cleared by the end of March when they snapshot the numbers.

Iím not saying thatís whatís happened to you, but 30 books is around $120 to me, and this sort of gap occurs every month. Maybe Amazon are experiencing more payment failures than usual, or itís tied to the banning of customer accounts, couldnít say. But Iím positive no scammer bought my books at 5.99, nor have I had ranks worth fighting for, plus the issue is spread across many titles and not just one.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Going wide [UPDATED: FIRST THREE MONTHS]
« on: April 16, 2018, 06:02:16 AM »
Thanks for the update, Pauline. FWIW, and please feel free to ignore me, but Iíd look at a few tactics to get you in motion.

Your covers are beautiful, but might not draw the eye. Rather than change the covers, because they are visually stunning in detail, I would use a different set of images for my ad cards.

FB has its place and it works for what Iím doing right now, but in your situation Iíd be looking at BookBub CPC ads. Theyíre good for discounted books and their readers are on multi platforms, plus the clicks are quite cheap for the other platforms compared to Amazon. I plan to use BookBub CPC for my next discount run.

Bundling works well for wide and you donít have to list the bundle on Amazon (that avoids cannibalizing sales of your Amazon singles with a discounted set). If it were me, I would set up a three book bundle on all sites other than Amazon, set pricing at 99c, tell everyone itíll be that price for say ten days, run various ads. In terms of the ad images, I would use something other than the covers.

Something like that should get you started on the other platforms. You can worry about Amazon later once you have some movement on the other platforms. If youíve used a box set thatís only available on the other platforms, then you donít have to consider anything about Amazon for the campaign. You can even consider taking down the box set later if you donít want to make it available all the time. It can be the marketing set you use to get your name out there, rather than something thatís part of your regular catalog, sort of like a special edition.

Anyway, just some ideas and, given you plan to stay out for a year, might as well give a good shot.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Further pondering of the results of going wide
« on: April 14, 2018, 05:55:55 AM »
I don't think I've ever sold a single copy of anything on Kobo, even my most non-U.S.-centric book. It's a dead zone for me.

The other stores at least responded to a BB CPC ad with a few sales, but not Kobo.

I barely sell anything on Kobo, but you made me look and I sold one book today. Booyah! Thatís a whole $4 Iíve got to spend.

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