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WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
« on: March 19, 2013, 09:08:20 am »
I was happy to see my books in WH Smith's on-line website; but then very unhappy to see that they had installed DRM in my files without my permission.
I hate DRM. I think it is a stupid thing that doesn't work and therefore serves no purpose other than to p*ss off readers and legitimate customers.

To Kobo; please ask W.H. Smith to stop altering my files, otherwise I'll have to pull my books - which I don't want to do - but I will NOT support the use of DRM in any way - least of all in my own content. Further, I do not believe that you or WH Smith have the right to alter my files without my permission.

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #1 on: March 19, 2013, 09:16:27 am »
    Oh wow. I didn't realize that. I just discovered my books listed there but didn't notice the added DRM.

    I don't want DRM on my books nor did I give permission for that to be done :-/

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #2 on: March 19, 2013, 09:18:21 am »
    Wow. That's strange. I'll have to check out my own Kobo releases over at WH Smith.

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #3 on: March 19, 2013, 09:20:16 am »
    The default stetting at KOBO is to INCLUDE DRM, so when you add your book, almost at the last step you will have an option.  If you don't uncheck the box, you have DRM enabled automatically.  

    I have no idea if you can change this once it's set, but this is how you got DRM on your books.

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #4 on: March 19, 2013, 09:24:18 am »
    Going through Draft2Digital so I'm not seeing any of that; thanks for the explanation - I'll take it up with them and see if it happening on their side of the fence (and if that is the case I'll be back to edit :)).

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #5 on: March 19, 2013, 09:28:42 am »
    The default stetting at KOBO is to INCLUDE DRM, so when you add your book, almost at the last step you will have an option.  If you don't uncheck the box, you have DRM enabled automatically.  

    I have no idea if you can change this once it's set, but this is how you got DRM on your books.

    Except that I KNOW I clicked "no DRM" when I uploaded. I suspect that if you make any changes - upload a new version, etc, it defaults back to DRM. Which is pretty tricky, because you can make updates on Kobo to one page (and not have to walk through all the menus for the other pages), but apparently it will default to DRM unless you uncheck it with every update.
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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 09:30:45 am »
    Also: even my books which still have "DRM free" enabled are showing up as DRM epub on WHSmith
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    « Reply #7 on: March 19, 2013, 09:31:53 am »
    Except that I KNOW I clicked "no DRM" when I uploaded. I suspect that if you make any changes - upload a new version, etc, it defaults back to DRM. Which is pretty tricky, because you can make updates on Kobo to one page (and not have to walk through all the menus for the other pages), but apparently it will default to DRM unless you uncheck it with every update.

    Yeah, that could be.  I barely noticed it myself.  I was ready to click submit and then I saw what that little checkbox was actually saying.

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #8 on: March 19, 2013, 09:33:34 am »
    I have just checked. All of my books have DRM. I published them directly with Kobo and I unchecked DRM. I can't have missed that option on every book I published, so it does look like DRM is being added against our wishes.
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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #9 on: March 19, 2013, 09:39:21 am »
    Except that I KNOW I clicked "no DRM" when I uploaded. I suspect that if you make any changes - upload a new version, etc, it defaults back to DRM. Which is pretty tricky, because you can make updates on Kobo to one page (and not have to walk through all the menus for the other pages), but apparently it will default to DRM unless you uncheck it with every update.

    This. ANY time you make any change at all, including price, it defaults back to DRM, so you have to manually un-check the box for no DRM. The good news is that unlike Amazon and B&N, you can change it at any time. The bad news is that it always defaults to DRM.
     
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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #10 on: March 19, 2013, 09:47:24 am »
    So I've just checked through the publishing options of my books and none of them have DRM ticked.

    At some point it is definitely being added against my wishes.
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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #11 on: March 19, 2013, 09:48:04 am »
    OK, that is seriously not cool if WH Smith is adding it against our wishes.
     
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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #12 on: March 19, 2013, 09:51:32 am »
    I just checked a bunch of books at WH SMith - they ALL have DRM enabled - yep.

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #13 on: March 19, 2013, 10:18:42 am »
    After checking with Draft2Digital they confirmed that they specifically request no DRM - so this is something that is happening between KOBO and WH Smith without ANY author's permission. Apart from those who have said they didn't give permission - Hugh Howey and Cory Doctorow, both vocal opponents of DRM have it installed on their books at WH Smith.

    Could a Koko representative please comment on where this is happening? Is it on WH Smith? Or on Kobo side?

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #14 on: March 19, 2013, 10:19:51 am »
    Oy. That's just awful.

    Eveyrone going through KWL should contact customer support and complain. Unacceptable.
     
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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #15 on: March 19, 2013, 10:51:10 am »
    Argh that seriously sucks. I didn't want DRM on my books either but there it is.

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #16 on: March 19, 2013, 02:04:22 pm »
    Mine too.
        
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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #17 on: March 19, 2013, 02:33:58 pm »
    Kobo will oddly change your settings on your book, namely about DRM. I've noticed thisand complained about itmore than once.

    It might well be Kobo and not WH Dean.
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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 03:27:10 pm »
    Yep, mine all showing at Smiths as Adobe DRM, despite all being published through KWL with DRM unchecked (which I have just double checked).

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #19 on: March 19, 2013, 04:03:47 pm »
    That is odd. I just checked my books I recently made price changes to and they're all unchecked (as they should be.) For the record, I directly upload.

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #20 on: March 19, 2013, 04:54:22 pm »
    That is odd. I just checked my books I recently made price changes to and they're all unchecked (as they should be.) For the record, I directly upload.

    Yes - all yours have DRM as well - basically, from what I can tell - EVERY book at WH Smith has DRM in it - installed without our permission via Kobo.

    And we note that still no Kobo rep has put their head in here.

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #21 on: March 19, 2013, 04:55:43 pm »
    Someone should give Cory a heads up over at Boing-Boing. He won't be happy about this and he's got a big microphone.

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #22 on: March 19, 2013, 05:31:12 pm »
    Wow. This is not OK with me.

    New addition to my copyright page:

    "This file is intended to be distributed DRM-free. Some retailers have taken to violating our wishes and installing DRM on our products. If you have received a version where DRM has been enabled, please email a copy of your receipt to [email protected] and let us know which format you read in. We will send you a proper copy of the file in return. If this happens to you, please consider shopping at a retailer that does not manipulate original files in any way for future ebook purchases. Thank you for supporting our quest to provide you with only the best possible service."
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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #23 on: March 19, 2013, 07:04:45 pm »
    I direct upload and have made multiple changes without having to re-uncheck the DRM option  :-\

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    Re: WH Smith putting DRM in books distributed by Kobo
    « Reply #24 on: March 19, 2013, 07:23:48 pm »
    I direct upload and have made multiple changes without having to re-uncheck the DRM option  :-\

    But your books also have DRM in them on the WH Smith ebook site....

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