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How I Made This Crazy Thing Called Writing a 20-year Career...
« on: December 23, 2013, 11:51:28 am »
2014 will be my 20th year in publishing. I signed my first book contract in 1994 and my first book was published in 1995. The wild success of that book and its sequel made me an international bestselling author. Since those early beginnings, more than 150 of my books have been published and let me tell you it's been one crazy ride.

I see others sharing about their experiences here, though mostly from the viewpoint of strictly self-published authors, so I wanted to offer viewpoints on two things: so-called hybrid authors and long tail publishing.

ABOUT MY PATH

The path I've traveled hasnt been all roses, cavalcades, and unicorns. The publishing business can be an ugly business; the world can be an ugly place. And yet, Ive never lost belief in my words or my ability to instruct, to entertain, to tell a story. I love the craft.

Ive not only written in literary genres from action/adventure, mystery and suspense to science fiction and fantasy, in subject areas from computer technology to military memoir, and in children's picture books for toddlers, preschoolers and early elementary school readers--but Ive been successful in all.

ABOUT MY SALES

From the publication of my first book in 1995 to early 2005, I had sold well over 5,000,000 books. From 2005 to 2015, I am on track to again sell well over 5,000,000 books.

In the past 20 years, I've sold well over $100,000,000 in books and I'm on track to reach $200,000,000+ in sales in 2014. That kind of outsized success isn't something everyone will achieve. That kind of success is something I can't believe I've achieved.

People often have ask me if all the success changed my life and Id like to think that it has in many ways. But its been a long, long road and a road that never started with me trying to get published.

In fact, I wrote novels for years before I ever tried to get published. For me, writing was never about getting published. It was always about doing what I loved. And doing what I love full-time for 20 years has given me great perspective on writing, on success, and on life.

ABOUT GOING FROM PRO TO HYBRID

Being a hybrid author refers to writing both as a professionally published author and as an independent author. For a professionally published author, I think it's a logical transition to the independent marketplace and it's a transition born of simple economics. Economics that work like this:

$200,000,000 at retail x 45% = 90,000,000

20% off the top for returns, other withholdings, etc  = 72,000,000

Average royalties = 10% (I know, I know you hear 12%, 15% numbers but the actual rate varies depending on marketplace sold, whether 3rd party distributed, how packaged, etc).

10% of 72,000,000 = 7,200,000

20% off the top of this for agents, managers, etc. leaves about 5,760,000.

5,760,000 over 20 years is about $288,000 in annual earnings (not including actual expenses like health care, marketing, etc).

Or put another way, at the end of the day, what the professional author actually gets is about 3% of total earnings.

In contrast, indie earnings can be much more substantial as a percentage of total earnings, though significantly less in the total net earnings department. In theory, indie authors can earn as much as 35% - 70% of net sales. But theories don't always hold water. As an indie, my end of the day indie earnings, after top-level expenses, actually amount to about 10% of total earnings.

ABOUT GOING FROM INDIE TO HYBRID

As an independent, authors can have total control of their works. However, the indie must wear many hats and perform many tasks, including sales and marketing activities. At some point, as an indie's success increases, an indie may have to make a choice between having time to write and performing all these other activities. At that point, I think trying to transition to a hybrid author model increasingly makes sense.

With pro contracts, agents, or both come things solo flying indies can't get. For example, access to large sales and marketing networks. Also, the ability to network with other authors published by the publisher or working with your agent. It's how a newly minted hybrid indie can make connections to big name authors and suddenly get written about in major magazines and newspapers.

ABOUT MY BOOKS

I wrote for many years before I got publishing, having finished my first full-length novel in 1986. Currently, I have over 150 published works, which vary in length from 654,000 words (the longest, a 1600-page behemoth work) to 300 words (the shortest and one of my illustrated children's books).

Those many works available in many editions, many formats, many languages, and many markets become several thousand live titles. For example, I have over 1,000 English-language titles just in library distribution.

I track the sales of my books across the more than 35 marketplaces where they are sold every few years (usually every other year). That's how I get fun stats like 7.5 million William Stanek books sold, 2.5 million Robert Stanek books sold, etc.

Hundreds of books and thousands of titles is an approach to publishing called long-tail publishing. With long-tail publishing, the author relies on a relative trickle of sales over many years. I say relative trickle as some of my books sell hundreds of copies a year while others sell thousands or tens of thousands of copies a year

To better understand trickle theory, consider this:

A $350 monthly cell phone bill becomes a $50,000 expense after 12 years. $350 x 12 x 12 = $50,400.

A book that sales 100 copies a month has 24,000 sales after 20 years.

Thus, the trickle of sales slowly builds into a mountain.

ABOUT MY WRITING DAY

Counting all my writing (indie, pro and otherwise), I have about 20,000,000 published words, 10 million pro and 10 million indie, give or take. Those ~20 million words written over a period of 30 years (1986 to present) weren't blasted out at a rate of tens of thousands of words a day or week. They were written at the rather sedate pace of about 2,000 words a day, across a 7-day work week--with some days lots of writing done and some days no writing done too.

Of course, my days also are filled with other writing-related tasks. If Im not writing, Im probably designing a book cover, doing illustration work, setting type on an illustrated page, sketching out a story line, reviewing printed pages, or any of the dozens of other things that must be done to prepare a book for publication. Why? Because theres no one else to do that work if I dont.

I dont think many people understand how technical writing works and how involving it is. With technology books, writing is only one part of a much larger process that also involves author review and page review. As I write chapters, those chapters go to editorial and also are sent on to technical reviewers. When I get chapters back from editorial, the chapters contain edits and comments from the copy editors, development editors, and others on editorial staff. The chapters also contain comments from technical reviewers. This part of the process is called author review.

During author review, Im working with the manuscript in Microsoft Word. I must respond to every question and query and a typical chapter may have several hundred of those which may or may not require me to make actual changes in the text. Author review is followed by page review. Page review is the final part of the manuscript review process.

During page review, Im working with the manuscript in its final form in Adobe Acrobat. The manuscript is marked up with comments that I must address from the formatters, proofreaders, and others on the editorial staff. For pre-release products, there may be several rounds of author review and several rounds of page review.

After all these years of writing, I have a simple formula to determine how much of my time a writing project will require, inclusive of writing, review, and everything else that a book involves. 1 page = 1 hour. Thus, if Im writing a 700-page book (inclusive of all front matter and back matter), I must plan for the project requiring 700 hours of my time.

With indie fiction, the formula is probably closer to 2 pages = 1 hour, but the actual work required can sometimes be more, as I have to wear many more hats when I do indie work.

ABOUT MY STRATEGY

As you can probably guess, with all the books I've published, writing is my full-time occupation and my full-time hobby and has been for the past 20 years. My strategy for spreading the word about my books is simple.

In the early days I did book tours when I could and traveled a lot. Traveling gets old though and the good news is that once you've established yourself, you don't really need to tour any more. For those reading this who haven't attended book fairs, done readings, or traveled for book tours, I recommend seeing if it's in your best interest to give it a try.

I haven't done the book fair, reading, book tour circuit thing though for the past 15 or so years. These days, I blog when I can, tweet a few things when I can, and post to Facebook and such when I can. And that's my primary marketing. I occasionally do media advertising and press releases, though I always ensure that I never pay retail for advertising.

Why? I want every dollar I spend on advertising to go 10 times as far as it normally would. Planning advertising across longer periods of time helps. For example, from mid-2008 to late 2009, my publisher and I spent $100,000 on advertising. As it was mostly my money, you can be darn sure that I made sure every dime went as far as it could. Large and repeated buys across various marketplaces got us some extremely good rates (we paid about .20 on the dollar, so our advertising at card rates would have been about $500K).

That kind of spending is not something I would recommend. That spending was for a special occasion, leading up to the recent year-long celebration of the book I counted officially as my 150th. (Significant career milestones are fun and important to celebrate.)

The kind of marketing I recommend to indies is this: market where you see the most value. Facebook is one of the places I see a great value these days. With $250 targeted correctly, I can reach 1 million people (or at least get 1 million views). That's extreme value and it's one reason why I've dropped $30K on Facebook advertising in the past 5 years.

ABOUT THE FUTURE

I'm not sure how many writers realize that book sales are more like the ebb and flow of tides than tidal waves coming ashore. Books sales rise and fall over time, and if you're lucky, they keep rising and falling over time. As the book world transitions to an e-marketplace, it's important to remember that ebooks are really only in their infancy. While ebooks are big in the US and a few other countries, the rest of the world is still largely dominated by print. And beyond both print and ebook are tons of additional opportunities, including audio.

I'm tremendously grateful to my readers and my publishers. Currently, I am working to finish an 8-book contract with my publishers. The contract is the largest one Ive ever signed. The project, which has consumed part of last year, all of this year and will carry me well into next year, entails over 4,000 pages of writingand Ive been going at it 7 days a week trying to meet all the timelines.

Four of the eight books have now been published and I am working my way through writing, reviewing, and final work on all the others. Im very grateful to have this work, especially as the industry is in such flux. Such tremendous flux is not uncommon in the publishing industry. There have been waves of flux in the past and there will be waves of flux in the future.

If all the years of writing have taught me anything, its patience. Im not in a hurry to publish anything. I release my books on my schedule, not anyone elses. I have so many finished books because Ive been writing for 30 years--and 20 of those years as a full-time writer.

If you want to be a long-time participant in this crazy game, I hope you'll keep in mind the ebb and flow. The ebb and flow can ruin you or you can embrace it as simply the way things are.

Hope my insights from 20 years in this crazy business help you in your writing...

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    Re: How I Made This Crazy Thing Called Writing a 20-year Career...
    « Reply #1 on: December 23, 2013, 12:01:57 pm »
    Nice story - congrats on your success.

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    « Reply #2 on: December 23, 2013, 12:07:01 pm »
    Thanks Rob. The ebb and flow of sales has been getting me down lately. That resounded with me the most. The high time you have a book out is fabulous, but then back to writing more books, and more books, and more books. Making friends with the tide is good advice.  ;)

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    « Reply #3 on: December 23, 2013, 12:07:23 pm »
    Wow...twenty years. Congrats sir. I wonder what writing will look like in 20 more years...thanks for the hybrid insights. I hope to do some hybrid-ing someday.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 23, 2013, 12:44:55 pm »
    Impressive.  Which bestseller lists have you been on?

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    « Reply #5 on: December 23, 2013, 02:49:04 pm »
    Wow, thank you for posting this!  Congrats on everything you've accomplished!  :)

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    « Reply #6 on: December 23, 2013, 03:43:54 pm »
    8 book deal? Sounds impressive. Who's your publisher? (If you don't mind me being nosey).

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    Re: How I Made This Crazy Thing Called Writing a 20-year Career...
    « Reply #7 on: December 23, 2013, 04:16:04 pm »
    8 book deal? Sounds impressive. Who's your publisher? (If you don't mind me being nosey).

    I write as primarily as William Stanek and Robert Stanek. My 8-book contract was with Microsoft Press. All the books are listed on my website. It was really wonderful to finally get such a huge deal!

    Wow, thank you for posting this!  Congrats on everything you've accomplished!  :)

    Thank you, Emilia!

    I'm not curious about that because I thought he was talking about the long tail of publishing. If you sell lots of books over 20 years you don't necessarily have to be on NYT or USAToday even though that's icing on the cake, to be sure.

    Numbers like this... just one of the many reasons I switched from tradpub to selfpub.



    I am increasingly looking at doing more and more selfpub. The problem is I have so many printed pages locked up by contract. In nonfiction, publishers tend not to revert rights, even when books go out of print (and even if you negotiated such terms into your contract).

    Wow...twenty years. Congrats sir. I wonder what writing will look like in 20 more years...thanks for the hybrid insights. I hope to do some hybrid-ing someday.

    Thank you! I wish you good luck on going hybrid someday!

    Thanks Rob. The ebb and flow of sales has been getting me down lately. That resounded with me the most. The high time you have a book out is fabulous, but then back to writing more books, and more books, and more books. Making friends with the tide is good advice.  ;)

    You're welcome! I know firsthand how hard the first few ebbs and flows can be. The first time it happened I had to go back to work full-time and it was really hard. The old bit about not quitting your day job never rang truer.

    Nice story - congrats on your success.

    Thank you!


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    « Reply #8 on: December 23, 2013, 04:20:44 pm »
    I write as primarily as William Stanek and Robert Stanek. My 8-book contract was with Microsoft Press. All the books are listed on my website. It was really wonderful to finally get such a huge deal!

    Very cool. Congrats.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 23, 2013, 04:32:08 pm »
    Thanks for posting!

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    « Reply #10 on: December 23, 2013, 06:46:48 pm »
    Another great bookmark!

    Thank you for sharing your long view on publishing.

    May the next 30 be as joyous and successful as the last!


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    « Reply #11 on: December 23, 2013, 07:11:47 pm »
    Another great bookmark!

    Thank you for sharing your long view on publishing.

    May the next 30 be as joyous and successful as the last!

    Thank you. It would be wonderful if such luck continues. Here's to hoping for the next 30!

    Who has the copyright to your nonfic books? Is it William Stanek or is it Microsoft? Just curious.

    I've always owned the copyright on my works. The problem is in the contracts. Many of my works are tied up with Macmillan, Pearson, O'Reilly, and others from the Big Six. (BTW, Microsoft has actually been one of the best of all them in this regard as they totally get it about ownership and copyright--so far, at least.)

    The problem is that when a book on X goes out of print, the publishers don't want you ever to be able to publish a book on X as it would compete against their in print books on X. They also don't want you to revise a book on X to now cover Y. To prevent this and more, even if you work such things into your contract, they make sure you can never republish the book on X or even revise the book on X to release for Y.

    Thanks for posting!


    You're welcome!

    Very cool. Congrats.

    Thank you!

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    « Reply #12 on: December 23, 2013, 07:16:51 pm »
    Thank you for posting this, Robert.  Wow... that was great to see.  And encouraging for us indie authors out there.

    Merry Christmas to you!

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    « Reply #13 on: December 23, 2013, 07:50:07 pm »
    Impressive, sir.

    Thank you for posting. I hope you continue to contribute to our community as we can all benefit from your experience.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 23, 2013, 08:54:43 pm »
    1,000,000,000 is inconceivable to me  :o

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    « Reply #15 on: December 23, 2013, 09:01:05 pm »
    What about when newer versions of the products come out? Then you would need to revise your books too, right?

    As long as you own the copyright... That's great!

    I almost sent my MG/YA manuscripts to university presses until I found out they are notorious for holding copyrights to works. I'm glad to hear that IT companies understand intellectual property better.
    Jan I think you misunderstood him.
    He owns the copyrights yes.   He wrote it so he has the copyright in most cases.   The problem comes in with the contracts.   They have him bound in such a way that he cannot publish/revise or do anything with some of his own works.

    If I understood him correctly, he cannot even publish other books on certain topics because of non-compete clauses.

    Those particular issues make copyrights a minor thing.

    Now I looked over the figures he posted in the first thread.   They pretty much depressed me.  
    The reason being was the amount of money he made for others.
    Sales 200,000,000 his take after everything is 5,700,000.   That seems like a heck of loss.
    Simple math says the government and others made 194,300,000 off of him alone.

    Great posts though Mr Stanek.  
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    « Reply #16 on: December 24, 2013, 01:00:48 am »
    I hope I'm not breaking the rules by posting this.

    http://conjugalfelicity.com/robert-stanek/
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    « Reply #17 on: December 24, 2013, 02:36:23 am »
    I thought I recognized the OP's name from somewhere. And it sure as heck wasn't from a bestseller list...
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    « Reply #18 on: December 24, 2013, 04:10:31 am »
    I thought his story sounded suspicious, so I Googled him when the thread first came up and found that site, which is why I specifically asked him to name the best-seller lists he's been on.  I thought it might be possible that the take-down article could be maliciously inaccurate, but there's a lot of detail there to back it up and this Stanek guy's claims seem too unreal.

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    « Reply #19 on: December 24, 2013, 04:17:35 am »
    I thought his story sounded suspicious, so I Googled him when the thread first came up and found that site, which is why I specifically asked him to name the best-seller lists he's been on.  I thought it might be possible that the take-down article could be maliciously inaccurate, but there's a lot of detail there to back it up and this Stanek guy's claims seem too unreal.

    Yeah, from the looks of it he's quite well known in fantasy and book review circles. Like I say, if I'm breaking the rules by posting the critical information here then I'm very sorry.
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    « Reply #20 on: December 24, 2013, 04:55:53 am »
    Yeah, from the looks of it he's quite well known in fantasy and book review circles. Like I say, if I'm breaking the rules by posting the critical information here then I'm very sorry.

    Ripped from his goodreads page: "Robert Stanek has been a writer for over 30 years and is the author of over 50 bestsellers"

    Over there he's been an author for 30 years and has not 1, not 2, but 50 bestsellers!

    Quite an achievement indeed!
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    « Reply #21 on: December 24, 2013, 11:50:32 am »
    For the record, I don't know why some people think it's funny to run around spreading nonsense about me, except that it seems to puff them up while pushing me down.

    Recently, I read something about where someone said something similar about Hugh Howey and how he responded that some people like throwing stones at giants or such. Some people *do* like throwing stones at giants.

    Nonsense sites like conjugalfelicity have been was used to break down support for my work, to get readers to stop discussing, reviewing, or otherwise talking about my work. Whenever that fails, they attack readers directly on any site where readers dare to talk about, review or otherwise support my work.

    The fact of the matter is that out of over 200 Robert Stanek titles on Amazon.com (the total from a few years back), only 14 ever had 12 or more reviews, of the remaining 165 never had any reviews in the first place.

    I've blogged about this nonsense for many years and I really could care less what anyone thinks. I've spent the past 20 years of my life writing books -- and if my body of work encompassing 20 million published words isn't enough proof for you. Whatever.

    And HELLO, I have THOUSANDS of live titles, over 1,000 titles in English in library distribution. While I've been typing this, 100 people have bought, downloaded, and/or read my work somewhere in the world. A merry Christmas indeed!
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    « Reply #22 on: December 24, 2013, 11:58:56 am »
    I'll just restate what I said in the other post....congratulations on your 20 yr career. The number of books attached to your amazon author page is staggering. It displays that I have a lot of work to do!  It is something to be proud of. Also as someone that drudges around in the IT world for my day job....please use your contract with Microsoft press and your fiction background to make MS books less boring. :P  A sincere Merry Christmas sir.

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    « Reply #23 on: December 24, 2013, 12:47:54 pm »
    Recently, I read something about where someone said something similar about Hugh Howey and how he responded that some people like throwing stones at giants or such. Some people *do* like throwing stones at giants.

    Hugh is the walking definition of modesty - so I don't think he'd have put it quite like that!  That sounds more like something Konrath would have said on a thread about Hugh.
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    « Reply #24 on: December 24, 2013, 01:00:33 pm »
    Folks,

    We've done some clean up of this thread, removing and editing posts that did not add to the conversation.  We understand that there are members who are interested in and concerned about the questions raised by the linked blog and, after much discussion, have decided to leave the link.  We also believe Robert has the right to respond to those questions if he chooses to, so we are unlocking the thread.  I've also merged a second thread that was started as a response, sorry for any confusion that might have caused.

    Please keep things civil.  "Popcorn" comments and attacks will be removed.  Legitimate, civil questions are okay.

    Betsy (and Ann)
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    « Last Edit: December 27, 2013, 10:04:06 am by Ann in Arlington »
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