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« Reply #3925 on: March 01, 2016, 04:38:59 am »
Next question in for this topic since I've got 11 days to go.  Has anyone figured out how to advertise the book they put up for nomination other than the normal Facebook, email lists and what not?  I figure a $100 would be worth it to advertise the last few day days of the process.  Just curious....

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    « Reply #3926 on: March 01, 2016, 06:05:09 am »
    Next question in for this topic since I've got 11 days to go.  Has anyone figured out how to advertise the book they put up for nomination other than the normal Facebook, email lists and what not?  I figure a $100 would be worth it to advertise the last few day days of the process.  Just curious....

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    I list a couple of Fiverr gigs on Day 8 of my blog series.

    I also got a bit of action from a HeadTalker - but that resulted in a HUGE boost of views but not necessarily that many hours of Hot & Trending - and eleven days isn't that much time to campaign for a HeadTalker or a Thunderclap.

    So that was ten whole dollars spent on this campaign.

    I'd recommend you look into a few guest blog appearances. That will get your campaign and your writing in general under the noses of some fresh new readers.

    I would NOT-NOT-MOST-DEFINITELY-NOT throw one hundred bucks at this effort. At the end of the day the big factor in whether or not Kindle Scout grabs your book is if they like it and think they can sell it. Throw a little effort into the pursuit of Hot & Trending, just to show that you are willing to work for you book - but do NOT throw a whole lot of money at it. The expense just is NOT worth what you are going to get of those few extra orange bars you manage to buy.

    I put a HECK of a lot of effort into my orange bars. Some folks would say too much effort, but it helped keep my mind off of the waiting period.

    I don't know WHAT I am going to do next week while I really am waiting. :)

    Last thing I will say is to save that money for promotion for the novel when it IS finally published - whether by yourself or by Kindle Scout. That is when a few extra bucks will come in awfully handy. Thump your war drums and build up a few reviews and then aim yourself at BookBub. If Bookbub doesn't want you start working down the promo ladder. ENT and ROBIN READS and a whole other heap of promo sites that folks are talking here on kboards every day. Research them, use them - put that money to good use.

    I have heard of some Kindle Scout campaigners who used Facebook ads - but I don't believe they are necessary at this point of the game.

    Don't try and buy a few more orange bars.

    I'll get off of the mountain now.

    My sermon is done.
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    « Reply #3927 on: March 01, 2016, 06:18:31 am »
    My book just launched on Amazon! :D ...well, the pre-orders for it anyway! If you liked the sound of it whilst I was going through my own KS campaign, please do consider checking it out (and, you know, maybe ordering it?) ;) heh

    Yay! I'm looking forward to it!



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    « Reply #3928 on: March 01, 2016, 10:48:02 pm »
    Thank you to all who have voted on my book (Bulletproof Hearts as by Brianna Cain). I'm on the 8 day down hill stretch and I'll be glad when this is over. It's been a great experience, but one thing I've noticed is that I'm questioning why I want Amazon to do what I'm already doing. There is a system in place for my other books, and I'm itching to unleash this romantic suspense project in my own way. Of course I may have that opportunity as yet, but if Amazon takes the book it will be an adjustment, I think. Am I alone in thinking this way?

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    « Reply #3929 on: March 02, 2016, 03:16:30 am »
    Thank you to all who have voted on my book (Bulletproof Hearts as by Brianna Cain). I'm on the 8 day down hill stretch and I'll be glad when this is over. It's been a great experience, but one thing I've noticed is that I'm questioning why I want Amazon to do what I'm already doing. There is a system in place for my other books, and I'm itching to unleash this romantic suspense project in my own way. Of course I may have that opportunity as yet, but if Amazon takes the book it will be an adjustment, I think. Am I alone in thinking this way?

    I don't think that you are alone in having second thoughts, Brian - but as my grandfather always used to love to say - "It is important to remember that you set out to drain the swamp after you find yourself neck-deep in alligators."

    I have talked to two separate Kindle Scout authors over the last couple of weeks who are on their second and third successful Kindle Scout novel - and they don't regret the move one little bit. I'd tell you more, but right now they are both working on guest-blogs for me, and I don't want to risk tipping either of their hands.

    Think of it as you opening up a Brian Drake franchise in another state. It is a lot of work and bother getting it up and running but just as soon as you do you will begin to reap the benefits. It is a lot of fuss and bother - but I think it is going to help your sales down the road. Even if it doesn't help your sales all that much it certainly won't hurt them. Lastly, I believe deep-down that Kindle Scout is nothing more than a foreshadowing of the future days. Kindle is the big dog in e-books and it is getting bigger by the minute. I think it is a good move for any writer to get themselves a toe-hold in the Kindle Publishing camp.

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    « Reply #3930 on: March 02, 2016, 03:24:53 am »

    Ah.

    I'm 524 hours hot and trending and in between a night shift at work last night and a day shift that I have to travel to in an hour or so.

    My eyes get any baggier I'm going to have to start shopping around for a forklift to keep them upright. Does anyone out there know of a source for eyelid Viagra?

     8)

    I got up this morning at 5am and wrote a guest-blog for the blog of a Kindle Scout double winner. He's working on a guest blog for my blog - (am I making any sense here or am I just typing blog-blog-blog over and over and over again?) and I still have to write up a quick blog for my own blog.

    Blog.

    I'm getting tired and tuckered out.

    I have got one day left of this merry-go-round and then I have to sit and wait. Or is that two days, counting the whole LAST DAY LEFT phenomenon?

    To heck with all of those complicated math calculations.

    Let's get to the list. Remember - the campaigns that need nominations the most are the ones that are closest to the LAST DAY LEFT, 1 day left, 2 days left etc.


    Updated List

    1 day left Kelpie Dreams by Steve Vernon
    1 day left Love Rocks by LB Clark
    1 day left Out of Darkness by Kenny S. Rich
    4 days left Forrest Wollinsky: Vampire Hunter
    8 days left Bulletproof Hearts by Brianna Cane
    9 days left Forest of Demons by Debbie Cassidy
    10 days left The Devil's Soul by P. Walter Gagnon
    11 days left Modern Surprises by Joan Marie Verba
    15 days left Fire Girl by Andy Mulberry
    17 days left The Second Sphere by Peter S. Banks
    18 days left Summer Love, Winter Tears by Carol Collins
    18 days left The Creation: Let There Be Death by The Behrg
    18 days left The Risk it Takes to Blossom by Tani Hanes
    26 days left God of Chains by JR Armstrong

    If I have missed anyone please let me know. The very best way that you can do that is just to post a link on the thread.

    Happy scouting to you all!


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    « Reply #3931 on: March 02, 2016, 04:06:24 am »
    All,

    Steve, looking good. Managed to get back to H&T for a little yesterday. We'll see how it goes. I think that for those of us who don't have a fanbase, the approach to Scout has to be a little bit different. When you haven't got a real readership (and not just friends and family who love you, which is important), you need to be a bit more creative. I don't think it's worth it for me to go on a big ad campaign on FB, or try to have a huge Twitter campaign. I am on Critters.org and so I am planning on putting an ad on there at some point this week.

    I've been relying on Facebook, emails, and trying to find places to post like this. I'll probably post to LinkedIn this week.

    Anyway, Steve, at least you're at the end. Then, hopefully, you won't have to wait long to find out!

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    Re: Kindle Scout experiences, anyone?
    « Reply #3932 on: March 02, 2016, 06:16:48 am »
    Thank you to all who have voted on my book (Bulletproof Hearts as by Brianna Cain). I'm on the 8 day down hill stretch and I'll be glad when this is over. It's been a great experience, but one thing I've noticed is that I'm questioning why I want Amazon to do what I'm already doing. There is a system in place for my other books, and I'm itching to unleash this romantic suspense project in my own way. Of course I may have that opportunity as yet, but if Amazon takes the book it will be an adjustment, I think. Am I alone in thinking this way?

    Brian, I think you're showing your colors as a true indie! :-) But I think the insights of Kindle Scout (campaign stats, e.g.) and the experience of how they market you if you're chosen for Kindle Press will be quite valuable to you, even if they don't do it as well as you do!

    I entered my debut novel in the KS campaign, had a great run (2400 views, 96% of the time on H&T, 5-star reviews, etc.), and was not chosen. I launched on KSelect a month ago and launched my paperback a week ago. Mine is a 'slower' book than what I think KP is looking for, and it will need to be marketed differently, too. For example, I've been watching a monthly mailing-list contest for three months now, and I realize it's not a good fit for me and my book (and my existing mailing list). So I need to work elsewhere. But I wouldn't have known about that list to study it for my own purposes if I hadn't been in the KS campaign. The campaign also yielded me my favorite review.

    It's all a learning experience, and accumulated wisdom turned in the direction of sales efforts is a powerful thing! Do well!

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    « Reply #3933 on: March 02, 2016, 11:28:39 am »
    Ah.

    I'm 524 hours hot and trending and in between a night shift at work last night and a day shift that I have to travel to in an hour or so.

    I'm getting tired and tuckered out.

    I have got one day left of this merry-go-round and then I have to sit and wait. Or is that two days, counting the whole LAST DAY LEFT phenomenon?

    To heck with all of those complicated math calculations.

    Updated List

    1 day left Kelpie Dreams by Steve Vernon


    If I have missed anyone please let me know. The very best way that you can do that is just to post a link on the thread.

    Happy scouting to you all!

    Wow! Look at you with 1 day left and yes... that "last day", too! It has fooled more than 1 writer! Best of luck to you this time around! Nice to see you've been keeping the book list running :)  Best!
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    « Reply #3934 on: March 02, 2016, 11:32:43 am »
    I launched on KSelect a month ago and launched my paperback a week ago. Mine is a 'slower' book than what I think KP is looking for, and it will need to be marketed differently, too.
    It's all a learning experience, and accumulated wisdom turned in the direction of sales efforts is a powerful thing! Do well!

    Hey, Cindy! How are your sales going? I think we had similar books that were slower and leaned toward literary/mainstream fiction. I know that yours has historical romance twist as well.... so was wondering if you've had success with any one area of ads yet?  MSS just was sent out today for my pro-edit. I had to wait about 7 weeks for an appointment- but I feel my editor is a good fit for me! Any advice/experience sharing would be appreciated :)  Thanks! J.

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    « Reply #3935 on: March 02, 2016, 12:23:17 pm »
    Next question in for this topic since I've got 11 days to go.  Has anyone figured out how to advertise the book they put up for nomination other than the normal Facebook, email lists and what not?  I figure a $100 would be worth it to advertise the last few day days of the process.  Just curious....

    https://kindlescout.amazon.com/p/1WD2IMI7WA43Z

    Just my two cents.

    I ran my campaign back in October. When I first started, there was an author who spent $100-$200 on advertisement and I thought he really had it based on 1) quality of writing, 2) presentation, and 3) H&T hours. When his campaign came back in the negative, I skimmed through all the previously selected works, as well as blogs of people who were not selected despite great numbers. The conclusion was that there is a stronger correlation between selection and previous publications (books, screenplays, genre performance on the market) than there is between selection of H&T hours.

    So... $100 may be too much for a KS campaign. Maybe $10?


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    « Reply #3936 on: March 02, 2016, 12:33:22 pm »
    Hey, Cindy! How are your sales going? I think we had similar books that were slower and leaned toward literary/mainstream fiction. I know that yours has historical romance twist as well.... so was wondering if you've had success with any one area of ads yet?  MSS just was sent out today for my pro-edit. I had to wait about 7 weeks for an appointment- but I feel my editor is a good fit for me! Any advice/experience sharing would be appreciated :)  Thanks! J.

    Hi, Jeanne! My sales are better than some but not as good as I would like. I launched on Kindle the last week of January and with illustrated paperback last week. I've sold close to 100 Kindle copies at $2.99 in four weeks and almost 30 paperback ($13.99) in a week's time. I'm trying to decide how to use my Select promotion--probably not the free days, but a carefully-planned countdown with other promos. I've done a bit with Facebook ads (see the Newbie Launch thread here on KBoards) and learned a lot, but the ROI wasn't making sense. I've got a few blog posts by others scheduled (one just went this last weekend), and my email list and FB friends account for probably a good third of my sales so far. I also have an EBooks Cafe promo planned and want to do one for The Fussy Librarian (once I have ten reviews--I have seven with two promised--ack!). But you know what? I'm in this for the long haul and reputation and all that.

    I've just sent two paperbacks to the head of a historical museum network operating in the area my book is set--she's taking them to a network meeting in a week or two, and one other museum person bought his own copy already. The chairman of the English department at the local college says his department and the history department together are going to have a signing party for me this month (!), and a person in charge of the local arts council wants to hold a signing. One friend is close friends with a magazine editor and wants to ask him to take it for review (they do an annual books issue), and another friend does occasional reviews for a major metropolitan newspaper and will review it, though probably not for the publication (I'm just holding my breath about this).

    And it's historical, but more anti-romance than anything! I have it categorized as biographical and family life. But yes, literary fiction and a slow read.

    It's all very slow sometimes, isn't it? :-)
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    « Reply #3937 on: March 02, 2016, 12:45:24 pm »
    I'm thinking about putting one more book in under my pen name, My first experience with scout wasn't the best it's kind fo stressful and I had what I thought to be pretty good numbers over 50% in hot and trending and then wasn't selected.

    But hey my book did really well when it launch solo and maybe some of that had to do with visibility from the Kindle scout campaign. So maybe even a campaign when you don't get selected is ok.

    I'm still kind of torn but since the book is going to be a paranormal romance and romance seems to be hot on scout it might be worth it.

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    « Reply #3938 on: March 02, 2016, 12:52:26 pm »
    All,

    Just discovered this thread, so I'm posting for the first time. My novel, The Second Sphere is up on Scout.

    https://kindlescout.amazon.com/p/2DN8GB36HOMSW

    It's so funny that 30 days sounds so short, but actually seems so long when you're in the middle of it. I've got 18 days to go. Started strong on H&T, but have since cooled off a little. Anyway, best of luck to everyone up there. All we can do is work hard and hope for the best! Take care,

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    « Reply #3939 on: March 02, 2016, 12:53:35 pm »
    Just my two cents.

    I ran my campaign back in October. When I first started, there was an author who spent $100-$200 on advertisement and I thought he really had it based on 1) quality of writing, 2) presentation, and 3) H&T hours. When his campaign came back in the negative, I skimmed through all the previously selected works, as well as blogs of people who were not selected despite great numbers. The conclusion was that there is a stronger correlation between selection and previous publications (books, screenplays, genre performance on the market) than there is between selection of H&T hours.

    So... $100 may be too much for a KS campaign. Maybe $10?

    I agree with this. H&T and page views are important to show that you have reach, but that's about where they end. The rest is up to the Amazon editors who seem to weight genre and backlist heavily. If you have a facebook page, you can boost your initial KS post for twenty bucks or so to guarantee that it gets seen. I think that is worth while, since facebooks algos often won't show your posts to all of your people without some cash thrown in, but that's all the paid advertising I did. The rest was mailing list and word of mouth.

    I'm still playing the waiting game. Day 5. I tend to think that the longer they keep you waiting, the less chance you'll get selected. Not sure why I think that, but that seems to be a general life experience thing. Either way, I'd just like to know so I can move forward with the book.
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    « Reply #3940 on: March 02, 2016, 01:06:15 pm »
    My book was picked up by Kindle Press after its Scout campaign in April last year. I'm going to be interviewed on the Self-Publishing Roundtable tonight at 9:00 CST/10:00 EST.  So if anyone has questions feel free to come ask me there! Wish me luck. Also, please no laughing at my high-pitched Fargo-ish accent. (I hate my voice.)   http://selfpublishingroundtable.com/this-weeks-show/

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    « Reply #3941 on: March 02, 2016, 01:38:19 pm »
    I'm still playing the waiting game. Day 5. I tend to think that the longer they keep you waiting, the less chance you'll get selected. Not sure why I think that, but that seems to be a general life experience thing. Either way, I'd just like to know so I can move forward with the book.

    I remember reading your excerpt; I loved the writing style and rhythm, and the plot reminded me a little of the Pied Piper of Hamelin story.

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    « Reply #3942 on: March 02, 2016, 01:51:18 pm »
    My book was picked up by Kindle Press after its Scout campaign in April last year. I'm going to be interviewed on the Self-Publishing Roundtable tonight at 9:00 CST/10:00 EST.  So if anyone has questions feel free to come ask me there! Wish me luck. Also, please no laughing at my high-pitched Fargo-ish accent. (I hate my voice.)   http://selfpublishingroundtable.com/this-weeks-show/
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    « Reply #3943 on: March 02, 2016, 02:03:54 pm »
    I remember reading your excerpt; I loved the writing style and rhythm, and the plot reminded me a little of the Pied Piper of Hamelin story.

    Thanks! It's something I'll be proud to publish either way, which I think is the key for any KS entry.
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    « Reply #3944 on: March 02, 2016, 02:05:50 pm »
    How do you track sales while in Scout? The agreement only states that you will be provided with a Monthly Royalties Report. Does this mean there is no dashboard to track your sales?
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    « Reply #3945 on: March 02, 2016, 03:30:23 pm »
    That's right. No Dashboard. You get your monthly royalty statement via Author Central and that doesn't include sales numbers other than amount earned.

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    « Reply #3946 on: March 02, 2016, 06:45:18 pm »
    Here's that guest blog entry from two time Kindle Scout winner, Monte Dutton.

    https://stevevernonstoryteller.wordpress.com/2016/03/02/notes-from-a-two-time-kindle-scout-winner/

    I've also got a promised guest-blog entry from ONE other two-time Kindle Scout entrant - and this guy hangs around at kboards!

    I'll keep you posted!

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    « Reply #3947 on: March 02, 2016, 08:37:46 pm »
    That's right. No Dashboard. You get your monthly royalty statement via Author Central and that doesn't include sales numbers other than amount earned.

    For real? As in no chart, no day by day sales? None of the features KDP offers?

    I just did the math for the KS contracted payout. Minimum payout is $417/month or your rights back. Are you allowed to take your rights back if you do meet those minimums?
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    « Reply #3948 on: March 02, 2016, 11:41:46 pm »

    I just did the math for the KS contracted payout. Minimum payout is $417/month or your rights back. Are you allowed to take your rights back if you do meet those minimums?

    No, but why would you want to? (And they assess payment over a year, not a month.) I entered my novel for Kindle Scout because I believe Amazon can sell my book better than I can. All the KS winners on our Facebook group seem very happy with Kindle Press so far.

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    « Reply #3949 on: March 03, 2016, 12:19:47 am »
    No, but why would you want to? (And they assess payment over a year, not a month.) I entered my novel for Kindle Scout because I believe Amazon can sell my book better than I can. All the KS winners on our Facebook group seem very happy with Kindle Press so far.

    I just wanted to know if the retraction clause had mobility. But if everyone is very happy with their results, then you're right, there's probably no need for mobility.

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