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Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
« on: October 09, 2016, 10:59:14 am »
The first book in my series is in the Prime Reading program. On October 5th, its rank had been around 100,000; yesterday it rose to 10,000 and #2 in its category (horse books for kids). I realize that all I'm getting by way of compensation is the flat fee they offered, plus any ordinary KU page reads and regular sales.

However, I was hoping to see how many borrows or actual page reads this new promo provided for this one book. But my dashboard doesn't have that information.

Given the current mess caused to KENPC by page flip, it's probably not worth asking KDP about this. Does anyone else have access to their page reads from books in Prime Reading?

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #1 on: October 09, 2016, 11:11:47 am »
    No.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #2 on: October 09, 2016, 11:26:01 am »
    This must be the new secret beta program. Wonder if that's what's causing so much problem with rankings and page reads. 

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #4 on: October 09, 2016, 04:27:12 pm »
    My understanding is that borrows count the same toward rank whether through KU or PR. So you can indirectly assess the number of borrows by inferring them from rank. For instance, a #100K rank will be 1 sale or borrow per day to maintain (or up to 2 sales if you're not really maintaining that rank each day). A #10K rank is about 24 sales equivalents. So, if you haven't had any sales, that means you've had about 24 borrows. If historically you were getting no sales and one borrow per day from KU, then Prime Reading is accounting for 23 borrows per day. But the only thing you can deduce from that is that PR has provided 23 borrows worth of visibility since you still don't know whether those are all PR borrows or whether some of them are ghost borrows from KU folk finding the books higher in the KU lists.
    Thanks for the insight, Phoenix.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #5 on: October 09, 2016, 06:38:51 pm »
    No, there's no way to see it. I remember reading in the FAQs they sent me that there's currently no way to show your statistics from the books read from the program but they might add one in the future. My book has jumped up in the rankings from it, so I can tell it's working to get exposure, which makes me happy enough.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #6 on: October 09, 2016, 08:22:09 pm »
    Does anyone remember how prime reads interact with All Star bonuses?

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #7 on: October 09, 2016, 08:27:50 pm »
    Does anyone remember how prime reads interact with All Star bonuses?
    Page reads aren't counted separately for the new program (flat fee) so they shouldn't play into it at all.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #8 on: October 09, 2016, 09:17:18 pm »
    I asked them about this in the beginning and they said there would be no statistical feedback on our end, aside from seeing rankings raise when your book was in cycle...and of course any bonus KU pagereads and whatnot but those would show up with the rest of 'em.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #9 on: October 10, 2016, 06:07:07 am »
    I can only calculate mine based on ranking. It's pretty interesting, at least to me. I think I might win the prize for "biggest ranking boost."

    On October 5 my book was at #701,054 according to KND Tracker. After the Prime Reading program started, it soon got under 4,000 and is currently ranked #2,687.

    As far as I can tell, 99% of that is going to Prime Reading, not my regular sales and borrows. I'm grateful for the raised profile, of course.

    Lots of power in an Amazon promotion...
    « Last Edit: October 10, 2016, 07:14:55 am by Evan of the R. »

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #10 on: October 10, 2016, 06:52:03 am »
    Do you have to be in KU to take part in this program?

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #11 on: October 10, 2016, 07:14:40 am »
    Do you have to be in KU to take part in this program?

    I believe you have to be INVITED by Amazon . . . . . . but I can say that all the books offered this month ARE KU titles.
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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #12 on: October 10, 2016, 10:02:13 am »
    Page reads aren't counted separately for the new program (flat fee) so they shouldn't play into it at all.

    This makes sense, but I haven't been able to find anyone who can confirm it. I could swear I read something about All Star bonuses in the agreement but I can't remember what it was.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #13 on: October 10, 2016, 10:29:08 am »
    So, now that this program is rolled out, can people talk openly about the terms? Anyone willing to post the contents of the email so the rest of us can see what Amazon is doing with the program or is that not allowed?
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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #14 on: October 14, 2016, 05:45:16 am »
    Yeah. They invite you. Some people get offered cash. Some people don't. I did not. But my book is a kindle single in literary fiction that will likely be borrowed 1-2 total times. So it was worth it to me just for the additional exposure.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #15 on: October 14, 2016, 08:08:43 am »
    This must be the new secret beta program. Wonder if that's what's causing so much problem with rankings and page reads.

    Wouldn't surprise me if it's somewhat related.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #16 on: November 16, 2016, 11:36:17 am »
    Does anyone know if this contract you sign is for 30 days? 90 days? or indefinitely?

    If you are in the Prime Reading program and had sales of over $1000 a month, did you see a tangible improvement in page reads? Do you think it was worth it or not? (I ask for that threshold since opinions might vary greatly based on where your books had been sales ranked before entering the program. :)

    Thanks so much for your help.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #17 on: November 16, 2016, 01:02:20 pm »
    Does anyone know if this contract you sign is for 30 days? 90 days? or indefinitely?

    If you are in the Prime Reading program and had sales of over $1000 a month, did you see a tangible improvement in page reads? Do you think it was worth it or not? (I ask for that threshold since opinions might vary greatly based on where your books had been sales ranked before entering the program. :)

    Thanks so much for your help.
    I can't answer the second question, but on the page where you verify you want the book included it says it's for a period of 90 days (for me, at least - does it vary for anyone else?)

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #18 on: November 16, 2016, 03:40:45 pm »
    Does anyone else have access to their page reads from books in Prime Reading?

    No, but it's immaterial from the standpoint of dollars because you only get a flat fee for participating.  Royalties will stay the same for a) all ebook sales, and b) page reads by KU members, regardless of whether or not they are also members of Amazon Prime.  The only change in royalties that will occur is when a PR book is borrowed and read by a Prime member who is not a member of Kindle Unlimited.  You won't get anything under that scenario, but each PR borrow counts toward your paid sales rank just like KU borrows. (I specifically asked that question when I got the invite.)

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #19 on: November 16, 2016, 07:21:41 pm »
    Thanks, Kevin. I was just curious as to how many page reads my book was getting with PR. It'd be kind of nice to know, and this information (that I'd have been willing to share) might help others make a more informed decision about whether to join PR in the next round, if offered.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #20 on: March 14, 2017, 02:11:43 pm »
    I just got this invite.

    From what i understand is

    If i agree to put my book into prime reading. I will get the following

    1. My regular sales still from anyone who is outside of prime
    2. My regular KU page reads from both those in and outside of prime (so if someone has KU and is in prime the email indicated i would get that)
    3. A flat amount of $500 at the end of the 90 days

    Was that the same for all of you? Did you get that amount at the end of 90 days? Did you see any drop in KU reads for your title while in prime? Is it worth it?

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #21 on: March 14, 2017, 04:14:12 pm »
    I think it varies.  I have heard some people getting $1000/90 days. They invited my Scout book for 6 months, same base pay. I think they're experimenting and probably offering based on sales history.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #22 on: March 15, 2017, 07:19:39 am »
    FYI: You're not supposed to disclose the financial compensation. Just a heads up.  ;)

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #23 on: March 15, 2017, 10:58:34 am »
    The first book in my series is in the Prime Reading program. On October 5th, its rank had been around 100,000; yesterday it rose to 10,000 and #2 in its category (horse books for kids). I realize that all I'm getting by way of compensation is the flat fee they offered, plus any ordinary KU page reads and regular sales.

    However, I was hoping to see how many borrows or actual page reads this new promo provided for this one book. But my dashboard doesn't have that information.

    Given the current mess caused to KENPC by page flip, it's probably not worth asking KDP about this. Does anyone else have access to their page reads from books in Prime Reading?

    Nope. No page reads mentioned. You'll never know.

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    Re: Question for those in the new Prime Reading program
    « Reply #24 on: March 18, 2017, 07:33:22 am »
    Didn't know that different author/book get different payment to be in PR.

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