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Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
« on: October 30, 2016, 04:54:46 am »
I'm just wondering if this is for real?  https://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-shakers/digital-text#3

And how are these people doing this? Click bots?


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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #1 on: October 30, 2016, 05:03:00 am »
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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #2 on: October 30, 2016, 05:05:56 am »
    I check the movers and shakers list often and I was wondering why all those books had suddenly taken over the chart. I did not even click on them to see what they were.

    As one reviewer said, look inside and you'll see the same two paragraphs repeated. Why did Amazon not see this?

    The price  :o. Do people actually buy these books?

    Check out the review on the title 'The Brave Donkey'
    « Last Edit: October 30, 2016, 05:10:37 am by BellaJames »

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #3 on: October 30, 2016, 05:23:40 am »
    So, have any of you reported this to Amazon on the book's marketing page?

    I did.

    That's one way to bring their attention to it.

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #4 on: October 30, 2016, 05:24:56 am »
    Wow.  Charging $9.99, and being so high on the seller list.    :o    >:(
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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #5 on: October 30, 2016, 05:29:11 am »
    So, have any of you reported this to Amazon on the book's marketing page?

    I did.

    That's one way to bring their attention to it.

    Yep, I just did. This kind of nonsense spoils my experience of using Amazon. I want to find good books in the HNR and movers and shakers lists.  Taking over 2-3 pages of the chart makes me >:(
    « Last Edit: October 30, 2016, 05:31:28 am by BellaJames »

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #6 on: October 30, 2016, 05:37:15 am »
    It seems to me that they like to rely on their programs to find problems, rather than a real person.
    Meanwhile, the hard working legit author suffers.  :(

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #7 on: October 30, 2016, 05:37:24 am »
    Anyone notice that a lot of them are by the same author?

    And that the covers are pretty bland.

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #8 on: October 30, 2016, 05:42:41 am »
    This REALLY irritates me.  I had thought that the recent shakeups in KU would at least to help weed out this type of spam - but it seems to be worse now while burying legitimate authors.


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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #9 on: October 30, 2016, 05:46:16 am »
    i like how this happened right after the don't give authors 1-star thread.

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #10 on: October 30, 2016, 05:55:45 am »
    Anyone notice that a lot of them are by the same author?

    And that the covers are pretty bland.

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    I think there are at least three author names doing the same thing--all pen names of the same person, or more than one person using the same exact scam.
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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #11 on: October 30, 2016, 05:58:31 am »
    I like how this happened right after the "Don't give authors 1-star" thread.

    Yeah. Apparently karma ain't all it's cracked up to be.

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #12 on: October 30, 2016, 06:10:36 am »
    Yeah. Apparently karma ain't all it's cracked up to be.
    This made me laugh far more than it should have...bad karma is coming my way! [emoji28]

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #13 on: October 30, 2016, 06:32:03 am »
    Yeah. Apparently karma ain't all it's cracked up to be.

     ;D

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #14 on: October 30, 2016, 06:38:02 am »
    What I don't understand is who in their right mind would buy this crap? Who could possibly be suckered into this?

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #15 on: October 30, 2016, 06:39:05 am »
    Richard Blakeney entire catalogue is scam books. Same para repeated over and over.

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #16 on: October 30, 2016, 06:42:02 am »
    Richard Blakeney entire catalogue is scam books. Same para repeated over and over.

    Would people returning the books affect the sales rank or not? Because I'd be returning something like that and it makes me wonder how their sales ranking manages to stay high.

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #17 on: October 30, 2016, 06:43:32 am »
    What I don't understand is who in their right mind would buy this crap? Who could possibly be suckered into this?


    That's what I want to know. Are real people buying these books?

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #18 on: October 30, 2016, 06:44:48 am »

    That's what I want to know. Are real people buying these books?

    Doubtful, but click farms will grab then, flip through the pages, and get nice pages read payout.

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #19 on: October 30, 2016, 06:48:22 am »
    What, on God's earth, is a click farm?

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #20 on: October 30, 2016, 06:50:14 am »
    This isn't the first time this has happened. And there are at least 9 titles in the Top 40 Free right now that have botted their way there as well.

    The books have been reported, and likely Amazon will move to take the paragraphs-repeated books down. The ones in the Free list are mostly by the same two publishers I've been reporting now for months. The books are not obvious scams -- just mediocre, scraped content books that are packaged semi-professionally -- enough to make them look legit on first glance. I keep hoping that Amazon is building a case against the publishers/accounts, but it's been going on long enough now (with one of the publishers having been around nearly a year now) that a lot of money is hitting their scammy pockets.

    And that's what's most irksome. Some of these accounts slide for months. And even if Amazon does act quickly -- which I think is likely -- to take down the books in M&S list, it still means a day or more of visibility lost for honest authors working legitimately to eek out their own visibility. And when the Top 20 or Top 50 in the Free list is made up MOST DAYS of 20-30% scam titles, that's a HUGE loss of visibility to 20 or 30 legitimate titles, many of which are getting just ONE SHOT every 90 days to gain visibility, while these scummy scammers are repubbing and rebotting the same books up the list every few weeks.

    Amazon doing take-downs AFTER the fact -- and, in some cases, not at all -- isn't the answer when it punishes legit authors so profoundly.

    What I don't understand is who in their right mind would buy this crap? Who could possibly be suckered into this?

    It's doubtful anyone's *buying* them. They're in KU. Bots are *borrowing* and *reading*.

    Would people returning the books affect the sales rank or not? Because I'd be returning something like that and it makes me wonder how their sales ranking manages to stay high.

    If real customers buy and return, no, it won't affect the rank. Much the same that if a real customer borrows a book and never reads it, the rank isn't affected.
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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #22 on: October 30, 2016, 07:13:15 am »
    I thought that amazon scanned books before they allowed them to be uploaded? Surely they should be able to catch these books before they get uploaded?

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    « Reply #23 on: October 30, 2016, 07:23:56 am »
    I thought that amazon scanned books before they allowed them to be uploaded? Surely they should be able to catch these books before they get uploaded?

    Unfortunately not. Anyone is quite at liberty to upload any old pile of crap they like. And I do.

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    Re: Movers and Shakers taken over by Spammers?
    « Reply #24 on: October 30, 2016, 07:56:35 am »
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    Amazon doing take-downs AFTER the fact -- and, in some cases, not at all -- isn't the answer when it punishes legit authors so profoundly.

    So sad that Amazon isn't doing more to stop this.

    One author suggested to me that entering captcha the first time you open a book could help? Maybe? Yet, again I know people complain about captcha.

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