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October KU Payout
« on: November 15, 2016, 10:12:37 am »

I calculate .005189 - seems high   Can someone check their numbers to see if I did the math correctly

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #1 on: November 15, 2016, 10:23:49 am »
    That's what I'm coming up with too.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #2 on: November 15, 2016, 10:24:12 am »
    Nope, looks like you got it right!

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #3 on: November 15, 2016, 11:30:43 am »
    Good news, but a temporary thing, I suspect.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #4 on: November 15, 2016, 12:18:07 pm »
    Good news, but a temporary thing, I suspect.

    Maybe it's not temporary, maybe it's a trend!

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #5 on: November 15, 2016, 01:16:41 pm »
    With luck it will come in before Xmas too!

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #6 on: November 15, 2016, 01:19:53 pm »
    Makes me wonder if it's higher because they recorded far fewer pages read.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #7 on: November 15, 2016, 01:22:00 pm »
    Makes me wonder if it's higher because they recorded far fewer pages read.

    I was thinking the same thing.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #8 on: November 15, 2016, 02:08:53 pm »
    Typical - it comes back up in the month my downloads dropped!

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #9 on: November 15, 2016, 02:11:54 pm »
    That made October my best month since February of this year. I'll take it. :)
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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #10 on: November 15, 2016, 02:17:03 pm »
    Makes me wonder if it's higher because they recorded far fewer pages read.
    That's certainly a possibility, though I also think it's possible Amazon is cracking down successfully on some of the scammers. I have a short in a small niche that is way down in the KDP cellar. Every day for several days now, it's moved up a few hundred or a few thousand ranks. Since all the books at that level are probably selling zero, there's no reason its position would shift unless competing products are dropping out above. From what I've seen, a sale or borrow would have more impact. (Really low books can jump as much as 1,000,000 spots from one sale--I've seen it happen.)

    Since new books are added every day, seeing jumps like that suggests a lot of outward movement, as if a large number of scam books are being tossed. If so, that's actually a good thing.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #11 on: November 15, 2016, 02:25:33 pm »
    Makes me wonder if it's higher because they recorded far fewer pages read.

    That would only be true if they did not reverse-engineer their target payout.

    They know the page read numbers and the choose the amount of the pool, so they can manipulate the size of the payout.

    I have a strong suspicion this is a bone they are throwing us because of the problems with the numbers, and as a reward for not pulling out. There seems no other incentive for them to let the payout rise above half a cent per page. But, a couple percentage points doesn't make up for all the ongoing losses from uncounted pages.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #12 on: November 15, 2016, 02:39:16 pm »
    Makes me wonder if it's higher because they recorded far fewer pages read.

    We don't have to wonder.  Just do the math:

    $16.2 million / $0.005189 = 3,122 million pgs read / 31 days in Oct. = 100.7 million pgs read per day

    $15.9 milion / $0.004974 = 3,197 million pgs read / 30 days in Sept. = 106.55 million pgs read per day

    $15.8 million / $0.004575 = 3,453 million pgs read / 31 days in Aug. = 111.4 million pgs read per day

    September pages read dropped 4.35% from August's, and October's pages read dropped another 5.49%.

    In other words, the total pages read per day have dropped 9.6% over the past two months, because Amazon's software isn't counting nearly as many pages as it used to, yet we probably have more KU subscribers (as evidenced by the size of the monthly Global Fund increase per day).

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #13 on: November 15, 2016, 02:48:50 pm »
    Since new books are added every day, seeing jumps like that suggests a lot of outward movement, as if a large number of scam books are being tossed. If so, that's actually a good thing.

    Or a lot of legitimate eBooks aren't renewing enrollment in KDP Select each day, providing gaps in the sales rankings that are filled in by the eBooks with lower rankings.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #14 on: November 15, 2016, 02:49:57 pm »
    It might also be due to scammers being ejected from the program.  For me, the problem is the decline in borrows.  It started in September and October and the first half of November is dismal.   I am still getting sales, but borrows are few and far between.  However, when I do get a borrow, they seem to read the whole book.  Nothing has changed with my advertising and I am at a loss as to why I'm not getting the borrows I had previously when the books are still selling.   I even double checked to make sure they were still enrolled in KU.  Here's hoping that things pick up again.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #15 on: November 15, 2016, 02:58:15 pm »
    Or a lot of legitimate eBooks aren't renewing enrollment in KDP Select each day, providing gaps in the sales rankings that are filled in by the eBooks with lower rankings.
    Except that the ranking is based on all KDP books, just the Select ones. Sure, a book coming out of Select might drop in rank once it lost its borrows, but not enough to fall behind my poor little short--at least not that quickly.
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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #16 on: November 15, 2016, 03:01:21 pm »
    We're all rich!



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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #17 on: November 15, 2016, 03:02:22 pm »
    It might also be due to scammers being ejected from the program.  For me, the problem is the decline in borrows.  It started in September and October and the first half of November is dismal.   I am still getting sales, but borrows are few and far between.  However, when I do get a borrow, they seem to read the whole book.  Nothing has changed with my advertising and I am at a loss as to why I'm not getting the borrows I had previously when the books are still selling.   I even double checked to make sure they were still enrolled in KU.  Here's hoping that things pick up again.
    In contrast to the KU page-counting problem, your decline in number of borrows may just be a fluke. Mine have actually gradually increased from a low in August and are booming right now, so it doesn't seem like a systemic problem.

    If Amazon is still doing gift KU memberships this holiday season, you might look for a big boost in January. Last January I had twice as many pages read as in any other month.
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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #18 on: November 15, 2016, 03:22:18 pm »
    Except that the ranking is based on all KDP books, just the Select ones. Sure, a book coming out of Select might drop in rank once it lost its borrows, but not enough to fall behind my poor little short--at least not that quickly.

    You're right.  My bust.  Their rankings shouldn't drop that fast, although they do drop a bit faster without the borrows than with.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #19 on: November 15, 2016, 03:33:13 pm »
    We don't have to wonder.  Just do the math:

    $16.2 million / $0.005189 = 3,122 million pgs read / 31 days in Oct. = 100.7 million pgs read per day

    $15.9 milion / $0.004974 = 3,197 million pgs read / 30 days in Sept. = 106.55 million pgs read per day

    $15.8 million / $0.004575 = 3,453 million pgs read / 31 days in Aug. = 111.4 million pgs read per day

    September pages read dropped 4.35% from August's, and October's pages read dropped another 5.49%.

    In other words, the total pages read per day have dropped 9.6% over the past two months, because Amazon's software isn't counting nearly as many pages as it used to, yet we probably have more KU subscribers (as evidenced by the size of the monthly Global Fund increase per day).


    It's hard to do that math tho when the first number, the 'millions of dollars in the KU pot' number, is basically pulled out of Amazon's ass every month, tho. Dividing the made up pot number by the pay rate doesn't really give you the actual numbers of pages read.
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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #20 on: November 15, 2016, 03:39:39 pm »

    It's hard to do that math tho when the first number, the 'millions of dollars in the KU pot' number, is basically pulled out of Amazon's ass every month, tho. Dividing the made up pot number by the pay rate doesn't really give you the actual numbers of pages read.

    Um... it totally does, unless amazon is lying...?

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #21 on: November 15, 2016, 03:43:51 pm »
    Um... it totally does, unless amazon is lying...?

    You think that pot amount is legit? What about all their 'we added $$$ to the pot this month to be nice' emails?

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #22 on: November 15, 2016, 03:59:34 pm »
    "October KU Payout" ... please tell me you actually mean September, because the last payments I received are from August and I would really like to be paid for September... :P

    ETA: Silly me. You're referring to the Amazon email about the mystical eleventy billion dollar payout for October, not actual payments. I can never seem to keep this stuff straight. ;D
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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #23 on: November 15, 2016, 04:05:48 pm »
    You think that pot amount is legit? What about all their 'we added $$$ to the pot this month to be nice' emails?

    It depends on what you mean by "legit". I mean, to my knowledge, they never revealed how they calculated how much to pay authors from KU, right? They can decide how big the pot is however they want, and that would be totally legal.

    However, to lie about either the total pot or the $ per page would have legal consequences. Which is what you're implying when you're saying that page count cannot be calculated.

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    Re: October KU Payout
    « Reply #24 on: November 15, 2016, 04:11:11 pm »
    You think that pot amount is legit? What about all their 'we added $$$ to the pot this month to be nice' emails?

    I think you're talking about two different things. Whatever amount Amazon sets for the payout is shared among authors with pages read - Amazon state that. So unless they are straight-up lying about the way they calculate the payout, dividing the $ amount by the per page read amount will give the number of pages read.

    But, as I think is the point you're making, the number Amazon chooses for the pot is seemingly arbitrary. I don't think they've said how they arrive at it, and many people seem to think the KU program is a loss leader. It would make sense that more subscriptions = more in the fund, but in reality, it could be a lot more complicated.
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