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For three thousand years a hatred burns. In seventeenth century Bordeaux two souls incarnate, one born the child of a prosperous merchant, the other, steals a life determined to continue a brutal incarnation begun long ago.

Under the guidance of Pharaoh, two brothers grew strong in knowledge and power, one a physician, the other a general. With the pharaoh’s untimely death, a deep hatred blossoms. One remembers, one does not.

The year is 1671. René Gilbert’s destiny glints from the blade of a slashing rapier. To protect those he loves he must regain the power and knowledge earned in an ancient lifetime. From Bordeaux to Spain to Morocco, René is tested and with each turn of fate he gathers enemies and allies as the memory and power of a lifetime as physician to Pharaoh returns.

Determined to continue a reign of terror that once caused the Nile to run red, Horemheb takes over the life of a young man mortally wo…

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Re: Math proves how hard it is to make six figures (in KU anyway)...
« Reply #100 on: May 15, 2018, 06:03:56 PM »
Don't let her fool you. Not only did she prune away a political derailment, she pruned Heath Ledger too.

If only. Then I could restore him.  :'(

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If only. Then I could restore him.  :'(
You did miss the blatant one, though. Just saying respectfully.

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« Reply #102 on: May 15, 2018, 06:07:19 PM »
That was a banking business model for years. Remember 2008?

Nope, we *totally* don't remember. Because if we did, we might get into debating the causes of the Great Recession, and that would lead to a Great Threadlock.

Soooooo ... how 'about that KU, eh??  ::)

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You did miss the blatant one, though. Just saying respectfully.

Please report it. I read this thread while my kids were arguing over one of those restaurant on-table computer kiosks ... must've missed it.

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« Reply #104 on: May 15, 2018, 06:58:02 PM »

Also, salary alone is deceptive. An awful lot of people live reasonably nicely but have no money in the bank. Something goes wrong -- job loss, accident, sick child -- and they quickly fall into a cascade of mounting credit card debt and loan defaults. You can go from living in a nice home with two cars to bankrupt and moving in with family in just a few months. A study a couple years ago found that something like 70% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings, and many have no savings at all. A $50K salary with $300K in the bank ≠ a $50K salary with $0 in the bank and a car loan.


This cannot be emphasized enough--as an indie, like many businesspeople, you have no real financial support system that's not of your own making. Your company won't bail you out, and you can't depend on your paycheck never losing ground. Going back to Benjamin Franklin-style (or, in today's terms, Dave Ramsey-style) self-finanacial-management is vital. If you can't live on less than you're making and sock away savings against a rainy day, don't quit your day job. If you already did, get one back if you can, especially if you can get benefits over pay. Living paycheck to paycheck without a genuine guaranteed paycheck is a recipe for disaster.


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This cannot be emphasized enough--as an indie, like many businesspeople, you have no real financial support system that's not of your own making. Your company won't bail you out, and you can't depend on your paycheck never losing ground. Going back to Benjamin Franklin-style (or, in today's terms, Dave Ramsey-style) self-finanacial-management is vital. If you can't live on less than you're making and sock away savings against a rainy day, don't quit your day job. If you already did, get one back if you can, especially if you can get benefits over pay. Living paycheck to paycheck without a genuine guaranteed paycheck is a recipe for disaster.

I think earlier you said you should have at least 6 months in the bank. I'd double that before quitting your day job. Also, if you get a windfall, save it.


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« Reply #106 on: May 15, 2018, 11:36:05 PM »
Okay, some new math, this time mixing KU page reads with sales on a 60/40 split. I chose 60/40 out of thin air, obviously everyone's splits are different, but this is just to give some modicum of an idea of what's required.

So, based on .0045 cents per page read, plus whatever you make on sales at varying price points (see below):

To make approx. $9k per month and $108k per year with 60% coming from page reads in KU and 40% coming from sales, you need 1,200,000 page reads per month in KU, plus the following in sales:

$0.99 per unit = 10,588 units moved per month
$1.99 per unit = 5,373 units moved per month
$2.99 per unit = 1,722 units moved per month
$3.99 = 1,290
$4.99 = 1,032
$5.99 = 859
$6.99 = 736
$7.99 = 644
$8.99 = 572
$9.99 = 515

...and here's the breakdown on 1,200,000 page reads, corresponding with the varying book lengths:

5k short story = 52,174 full reads per month
x3 5k short stories = 17,392 full reads per month each
x5 = 10,435
x8 = 6,522
x12 = 4,348
x20 = 2,609
x30 = 1,739
x40 = 1,304
x50 = 1,043

10k novelette = 26,087 full reads per month
x3 10k novelettes = 8,696 full reads per month each
x5 = 5,218
x8 = 3,261
x12 = 1,958
x20 = 1,304
x30 = 869
x40 = 652
x50 = 522

20k novella = 13,044 full reads per month
x3 20k novellas = 4,348 full reads per month each
x5 = 2,609
x8 = 1,631
x12 = 1,087
x20 = 652
x30 = 435
x40 = 326
x50 = 261

30k novella = 8,696
x3 = 2,899
x5 = 1,739
x8 = 1,087
x12 = 725
x20 = 435
x30 = 290
x40 = 217
x50 = 174

40k novel = 6,522
x3 = 2,174
x5 = 1,304
x8 = 815
x12 = 544
x20 = 326
x30 = 217
x40 = 163
x50 = 130

50k novel = 5,128
x3 = 1,709
x5 = 1,026
x8 = 641
x12 = 427
x20 = 256
x30 = 171
x40 = 128
x50 = 103

60k novel = 4,348
x3 = 1,450
x5 = 869
x8 = 544
x12 = 362
x20 = 217
x30 = 145
x40 = 109
x50 = 87

70k novel = 3,670
x3 = 1,223
x5 = 734
x8 = 459
x12 = 306
x20 = 184
x30 = 122
x40 = 92
x50 = 73

80k novel = 3,261
x3 = 1,087
x5 = 652
x8 = 407
x12 = 272
x20 = 163
x30 = 109
x40 = 82
x50 = 65

90k novel = 2,851
x3 = 950
x5 = 570
x8 = 356
x12 = 238
x20 = 143
x30 = 95
x40 = 71
x50 = 57

100k novel = 2,564
x3 = 855
x5 = 513
x8 = 320
x12 = 214
x20 = 128
x30 = 85
x40 = 64
x50 = 51

110k novel = 2,335
x3 = 778
x5 = 467
x8 = 292
x12 = 194
x20 = 117
x30 = 78
x40 = 58
x50 = 47

120k novel = 2,143
x3 = 714
x5 = 428
x8 = 268
x12 = 179
x20 = 107
x30 = 71
x40 = 53
x50 = 43

130k novel = 1,977
x3 = 659
x5 = 395
x8 = 247
x12 = 165
x20 = 99
x30 = 66
x40 = 49
x50 = 40

140k novel = 1,835
x3 = 611
x5 = 367
x8 = 229
x12 = 153
x20 = 92
x30 = 61
x40 = 46
x50 = 37

150k novel = 1,712
x3 = 571
x5 = 342
x8 = 214
x12 = 119
x20 = 86
x30 = 57
x40 = 43
x50 = 34

160k novel = 1,604
x3 = 535
x5 = 321
x8 = 200
x12 = 134
x20 = 80
x30 = 53
x40 = 40
x50 = 32

180k epic = 1,425
x3 = 475
x5 = 285
x8 = 178
x12 = 119
x20 = 71
x30 = 47
x40 = 35
x50 = 29

200k epic = 1,283
x3 = 428
x5 = 257
x8 = 160
x12 = 109
x20 = 64
x30 = 43
x40 = 32
x50 = 26

225k epic = 1,142
x3 = 380
x5 = 229
x8 = 143
x12 = 95
x20 = 57
x30 = 38
x40 = 29
x50 = 23

250k epic = 1,027
x3 = 343
x5 = 205
x8 = 128
x12 = 86
x20 = 51
x30 = 34
x40 = 26
x50 = 21

EDITED TO ADD:

Just for curiosity's sake, this is what you'd have to do in sales by themselves to make $9k/month, $108k/year.

$0.99 per unit = 26,471 units moved per month
$1.99 per unit = 13,043 units moved per month
$2.99 per unit = 4,306 units moved per month
$3.99 = 3,226
$4.99 = 2,579
$5.99 = 2,148
$6.99 = 1,841
$7.99 = 1,610
$8.99 = 1,431
$9.99 = 1,288

Let's hear it for arithmetic! :)
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Re: Math proves how hard it is to make six figures (in KU anyway)...
« Reply #107 on: May 16, 2018, 06:01:55 AM »

Edit: What. The. Hell. Apple. This is what I get for allowing my phone to update.

Edit 2: wine. Lots of wine.

Apple folks....

you can turn off the smart punctuation thingies...

Go to Settings > General > Keyboard, and then turn off the "Smart Punctuation" toggle.   

https://www.howtogeek.com/344310/how-to-turn-off-smart-punctuation-on-your-iphone-and-ipad/
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« Reply #109 on: May 16, 2018, 06:12:55 AM »
Thank you. I've always been curious because when I just look at the UK it's like 40% on a little over 46,000 and that seems crazy, but I knew there had to be things I didn't know about that made it all work out.

This is true, but you only pay the 40% on the amount over 46k. So you have (what was it?) 11kish tax free, then anything from 11k to 46k is taxed at 25%, and anything above that at 40%. So if you earn $50k per year, for example, you'll only pay 40% on 4k.

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« Reply #110 on: May 16, 2018, 06:23:03 AM »
Apple folks....

you can turn off the smart punctuation thingies...

Go to Settings > General > Keyboard, and then turn off the "Smart Punctuation" toggle.   

https://www.howtogeek.com/344310/how-to-turn-off-smart-punctuation-on-your-iphone-and-ipad/
I just tested this and I'm really hoping it worked.

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« Reply #111 on: May 16, 2018, 06:29:05 AM »
I just tested this and I'm really hoping it worked.

Edited: It did.

I'm on my iPad 99% of the time.  After the update, I HAD to find a solution.  :D

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« Reply #112 on: May 16, 2018, 07:11:49 AM »
I think it's much better to think of it as a job (if you want to do this full-time), rather than a treadmill. With a normal job, if you don't show up for two months or six months, you don't get paid. Same thing here. I think where authors get in trouble - myself included - is thinking you can take a lot of time off, and have "passive" income hold you over. There are plenty of books or posts on the internet promising that, but it's not reality. Passive income decays rapidly into no income, even if you have a great/popular product. This is just like any other occupation: you don't continually work, you don't get paid. That's not really a marketable notion - replace your job! Except,  um, with another job where you pay more taxes and your own health care (if you're in the US), but in exchange you get to call all the shots, (which may actually be a negative, depending on levels of self-discipline or lack thereof!) - but it is certainly more accurate than "write a couple books and live off your backlist."

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« Reply #113 on: May 16, 2018, 07:34:58 AM »
Not to bring the thread back to the original topic or anything, but there was a survey I saw that showed that most authors making 100K+ had an average of 34 books out. That seems about right.


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Not to bring the thread back to the original topic or anything, but there was a survey I saw that showed that most authors making 100K+ had an average of 34 books out. That seems about right.
One time while I had too much time on my hands, I did a perusal of the Top 100 writers in the whole store and the Top 100 writers in SFF. Other than a couple of outliers such as the guy who wrote The Martian, all of the writers on the list had at least 25 books published. The average was 45, which was skewed by Nora Roberts and a few others. 

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Apple folks....

you can turn off the smart punctuation thingies...

Go to Settings > General > Keyboard, and then turn off the "Smart Punctuation" toggle.   

https://www.howtogeek.com/344310/how-to-turn-off-smart-punctuation-on-your-iphone-and-ipad/

Thank you so much for that.

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« Reply #116 on: May 16, 2018, 08:54:02 AM »
Not to bring the thread back to the original topic or anything, but there was a survey I saw that showed that most authors making 100K+ had an average of 34 books out. That seems about right.

This one?

https://www.writtenwordmedia.com/2017/06/07/100k-author/

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« Reply #117 on: May 16, 2018, 08:59:14 AM »
This one?

https://www.writtenwordmedia.com/2017/06/07/100k-author/

I link to it off my Twitter every few months!

It wasn't this one, actually! But if the same result came in two studies it must be true, right?


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« Reply #118 on: May 16, 2018, 09:25:28 AM »
In the meantime, I think a rational position is if you're in KU and so far unaffected, sit tight. If you note any suspicious activity in you KU reads, report it. If the next sweep gets you, pull out of KU immediately and go wide. It appears the second "infraction" brings the threat of account suspension, not the first, and the only way to avoid it is to leave KU completely.
Plenty of the people I've seen reporting stripped pages and nastygrams didn't have any suspicious activity prior to Amazon deciding to strip their page reads, though. So, there's no way they could have tried to get on Zon's good side from the start.


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Apple folks....

you can turn off the smart punctuation thingies...

Go to Settings > General > Keyboard, and then turn off the "Smart Punctuation" toggle.   

https://www.howtogeek.com/344310/how-to-turn-off-smart-punctuation-on-your-iphone-and-ipad/

Betsy, this needs its own thread.

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« Reply #120 on: May 16, 2018, 10:11:40 AM »
One time while I had too much time on my hands, I did a perusal of the Top 100 writers in the whole store and the Top 100 writers in SFF. Other than a couple of outliers such as the guy who wrote The Martian, all of the writers on the list had at least 25 books published. The average was 45, which was skewed by Nora Roberts and a few others.

Very interesting information. I'm not surprised Nora screwed up the average. She amazing. At 67, she's still writing excellent books and is as productive as ever.

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« Reply #121 on: May 16, 2018, 10:17:04 AM »
This is true, but you only pay the 40% on the amount over 46k. So you have (what was it?) 11kish tax free, then anything from 11k to 46k is taxed at 25%, and anything above that at 40%. So if you earn $50k per year, for example, you'll only pay 40% on 4k.
Oh, yeah, I think you are the one who told me about the personal allowances a long time ago.

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« Reply #122 on: May 16, 2018, 10:41:22 AM »
Not to bring the thread back to the original topic or anything, but there was a survey I saw that showed that most authors making 100K+ had an average of 34 books out. That seems about right.

It's comforting knowing I don't need to worry about making 100k+ until I've got 34 books out.

Then, I suppose, if I'm still only dragging in pennies, I need to reevaluate things.

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« Reply #123 on: May 16, 2018, 10:55:31 AM »
Not to bring the thread back to the original topic or anything, but there was a survey I saw that showed that most authors making 100K+ had an average of 34 books out. That seems about right.

Thirty-four, with the bulk of them selling. I'm more concerned with my older books selling than with new launches "succeeding". I've seen loads of shelves with twenty or more books where only the latest is selling while the older ones rank in the mid to high 000,000s or even millions. A book ranking at 150,000 or higher isn't earning much.


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« Reply #124 on: May 16, 2018, 11:08:26 AM »
A book ranking at 150,000 or higher isn't earning much.

I have a trilogy ranking around there or even a little higher in the Amazon US store that made $500 last month. Times that by 10 for thirty titles and that's $5,000 per month on backlist. Add in one strong new series running at the same time and $100K in revenue seems possible even with "bad" ranks on most of the titles. It's when the books are in the millions that they're really not earning anything. And, of course, that assumes that U.S. Amazon ebook store is where earnings are coming from, which is not true of all titles.


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