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Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« Reply #700 on: September 20, 2018, 04:10:41 pm »
I thought they were discussing our community, which isn't really confined by any specific virtual/artificial boundary. Perhaps I missed something, it's a long thread, was it intended that we no longer discuss the KB community?
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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #701 on: September 20, 2018, 04:23:04 pm »
    I thought they were discussing our community, which isn't really confined by any specific virtual/artificial boundary. Perhaps I missed something, it's a long thread, was it intended that we no longer discuss the KB community?
    I think what you're referring to is a discussion of an alternative forum. No one has said we shouldn't continue to discuss the KB community.
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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #702 on: September 20, 2018, 04:25:57 pm »
    I understand the frustration that KBoards was sold to such a shady, disreputable company. I share it.

    But blaming Harvey's family is flat-out uncalled for. They've been dealing with the loss of a husband and father. They tried to keep this forum alive in his memory, but it's not easy to run a forum as massive as KBoards, even with moderators. And I'm sure they were dealing with legal orders for discovery with the various lawsuits flying around and were concerned about any potential liability they may have just for keeping this forum open.

    I don't blame them at all for selling. They probably just needed a break and I'm sure that the VS representatives they spoke to told them all the things they wanted to hear. That's how companies like VS operate. They find these high-traffic forums owned and operated by individuals or small companies and to close the deal, they send the kind of greaseball who's so convincing, they could get nuns to star in a porno. Bonus points if they could get to the owners when they're in a position to be more willing to sell, such as under a cloud of having to deal with legal orders.

    The Chutes aren't to blame for any of this. There's only one place to direct our anger and frustration, and that is directly at VerticalScope.

    Don't lose focus. Keep the anger where it belongs.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #703 on: September 20, 2018, 04:26:28 pm »
    Oh, fun note, though I've deleted nothing, my post count has dropped by several hundred this week. I was at 675 and as of this I'm at 115? Interesting.
    Unless there's a glitch, I believe the only way that could happen would be if you posted in a lot of threads in which the OP was someone who got his or her account deleted while the mods could still do that. If the original post gets deleted, the whole thread vanishes.
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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #704 on: September 20, 2018, 04:32:01 pm »
    Unless there's a glitch, I believe the only way that could happen would be if you posted in a lot of threads in which the OP was someone who got his or her account deleted while the mods could still do that. If the original post gets deleted, the whole thread vanishes.

    That's entirely possible. The bulk of my posts were VERY old from the long, long ago and if folks are bailing and threads have been deleted, that seems perfectly reasonable. I didn't suspect I'd done anything offensive as I've done my best to keep my head down and not draw attention to myself here in recent years.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #705 on: September 20, 2018, 04:48:41 pm »
    Here's my take, espec. after reading VSadmin's posts...

    We are not the customers. They don't care for our feedback. We are the content, and likely, we've already been sold. Many many times. If this place closes down tomorrow, they've probably already made their money back.

    ::backs up, back into obscurity::

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #706 on: September 20, 2018, 05:38:37 pm »

    Don't lose focus. Keep the anger where it belongs.

    If the owner of my favorite pub sold out to a corporation that subsequently came in and destroyed the pub's atmosphere, I'd be p*ssed at the owner for selling and the corporation that bought and destroyed my favorite pub.

    If anyone is angry over what's happened here, they should feel free to express it.



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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #707 on: September 20, 2018, 06:23:59 pm »
    If the owner of my favorite pub sold out to a corporation that subsequently came in and destroyed the pub's atmosphere, I'd be p*ssed at the owner for selling and the corporation that bought and destroyed my favorite pub.

    If anyone is angry over what's happened here, they should feel free to express it.


    True, and people should feel free to express their displeasure with that opinion.

    I would also just hasten to add that it's the widow of the owner who sold it, and that we have no idea of the circumstances that led to it. Having been lucky enough to know Harvey here I would give the Chute family the benefit of the doubt every time. Ultimately, what's done is done and all the remains is how VS will handle things going forward.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #708 on: September 20, 2018, 06:28:00 pm »
    If the owner of my favorite pub sold out to a corporation that subsequently came in and destroyed the pub's atmosphere, I'd be p*ssed at the owner for selling and the corporation that bought and destroyed my favorite pub.

    If anyone is angry over what's happened here, they should feel free to express it.
    Except that in that example, the owner may not have known that the corporation would destroy the pub. (Very few buyers tell the sellers if they have plans the seller might not approve of.)

    I agree with the many people who have expressed the desire to keep the previous owner out of the discussion. She kept the forum her husband started alive for a long time after his death. We can hardly blame her if managing such a large operation eventually became more than she wanted to do. Anyway, the new owners didn't have to handle things the way they did. If this problem is on anyone, it's on them.
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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #709 on: September 20, 2018, 06:41:46 pm »
    If the owner of my favorite pub sold out to a corporation that subsequently came in and destroyed the pub's atmosphere, I'd be p*ssed at the owner for selling and the corporation that bought and destroyed my favorite pub.

    If anyone is angry over what's happened here, they should feel free to express it.

    I can understand that view. I'm certainly not happy about the events that have happened after the sale of the forum, but dogpiling on the widow isn't helpful. If she is aware of what has happened, I'm sure she's heartbroken things have turned out as they have. Expressing your displeasure at her is just pouring salt into an open wound.  Especially given the lowbrow response from the officials at VS.
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    By leaving my account intact, VirticleScope and its successors agrees to these terms. These terms supersede and replace VirticleScope's terms of use. If VerticleSpace doesn't agree to these terms, they have my permission to wipe my account, which must include any and all backups.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #710 on: September 20, 2018, 06:57:48 pm »
    Expressing your displeasure at her is just pouring salt into an open wound. 

    I don't know if that was expressed at me but I feel no displeasure with the former owner. I simply accept that some may feel otherwise and support their right to vent.

    Due diligence is a good strategy when buying or selling. Failure to do so, either way, can result in unpleasant outcomes.


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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #711 on: September 20, 2018, 06:58:06 pm »
    "We are the content, and likely, we've already been sold. Many many times."

    Who would buy our posts?

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #712 on: September 20, 2018, 07:18:30 pm »

    Who would buy our posts?

    Not a soul. They're just useful for seeding Google and drawing in traffic.


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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #713 on: September 20, 2018, 07:21:29 pm »
    I don't know if that was expressed at me but I feel no displeasure with the former owner. I simply accept that some may feel otherwise and support their right to vent.

    Due diligence is a good strategy when buying or selling. Failure to do so, either way, can result in unpleasant outcomes.

    To what end?  Venting here only hurts the former owner's widow. I'm not disputing the issue of due diligence. There's a lot to be said for doing one's homework. That's how I came to have an account on here, as I researched what it would take to become an independent writer. But my point is that venting here against the widow might give a small catharsis, but at what cost? She doesn't deserve to have folks turning her into a pinata.
    I do not accept nor do I consent to KBoards/VerticalScope's Terms of Service which were implemented without proper notification. I reserve all rights to my content under Title 17 of the United States Code. If VirticalScope or its successors do not delete this account then by permitting it to remain on the forum, they are agreeing to my terms.  My content is exclusively my own and may not be used to market or derive income from the content shared. Disputes between me and VirticalScope and its successors will be resolved by the laws of the state of Texas.
    By leaving my account intact, VirticleScope and its successors agrees to these terms. These terms supersede and replace VirticleScope's terms of use. If VerticleSpace doesn't agree to these terms, they have my permission to wipe my account, which must include any and all backups.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #714 on: September 20, 2018, 09:37:11 pm »
    Please note this is not a solicitation for donations for Wayback, but rather a personal narrative of an action that's brightened my outlook. I hope you each find your own ways to feel better.

    The Internet Archive is an amazing treasurer. Thanks for reminding me/us that it's captured this forum and so many other important resources over the years.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #715 on: September 20, 2018, 10:02:06 pm »
    I am so incredibly sad to see K Boards go down this way.

    Betsy, Ann, and Becca, thank you for all that youve done for the community. My heart hurts from reading through this thread and Ive mostly been a lurker; I cant imagine how hard it must be to watch the fallout of something that youve nurtured for so long.

    The response from VS has been both cringe-worthy and infuriating. I am embarrassed on their behalf that this is the best that they have to offer in terms of a communications team. Any professional knows that using the word troll is inflammatory. Hell, it was not even allowed on the boards mere weeks ago. Yet their community liaison breezed in and used it repeatedly? Please. Betsys cattle prod would need to charge for a long time before responding to VSs post.

    I am really sad tonight, selfishly for the loss of a corner of the Internet where Ive lurked and learned for years, but more than than for the self-publishing history that is being lost with the deleted posts. Ugh. Awful.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #716 on: September 21, 2018, 12:38:30 am »
    If the owner of my favorite pub sold out to a corporation that subsequently came in and destroyed the pub's atmosphere, I'd be p*ssed at the owner for selling and the corporation that bought and destroyed my favorite pub.

    If anyone is angry over what's happened here, they should feel free to express it.

    Not the right analogy because as has been mentioned, it wasn't the owner who sold it, it's the widow of the owner who had already struggled to try to keep it open and had faced challenges you can't even begin to fathom. And as has also been stated, you don't know the circumstances of the deal. You don't know what she was promised. You don't know if they lied to her or not. The woman was under no obligation to you or anyone else to consult you on this decision. She was under no obligation to do deep dive research into this company. What have you ever done to help her situation, hmm?

    She doesn't owe you or anyone else on this board a damn thing. Not even an explanation.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #717 on: September 21, 2018, 01:19:07 am »
    Interestingly, I did not receive any emails to say there were new posts in this discussion (expected many). Perhaps the deleted posts have something to do with it.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #719 on: September 21, 2018, 02:12:24 am »
    Where in the TOS does it say anything like ^ this?

    With all due respect, I think you are mistaken.

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    @BardsandSages - you mean the redistribution wording?

    I don't think they actually mean content reposted here, after all, they give us a quote facility that does exactly that. However, it is a matter of interpretation and I agree, it does illustrate that they need to go over their TOS much more thoroughly.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #720 on: September 21, 2018, 02:43:25 am »
    Folks,

    I said once that speculation about the Chutes' reasons and intent in selling KBoards were not appropriate here.  I'll say it again. 

    You can find the announcement about the sale and the reasons behind it here.  As with any member, the KB way is to assume good faith in posting.  We should do that here.

    This thread is for discussion of the new ToS, reactions to it and ideas on actions that you, the members, might want to take going forward to address your concerns.

    Let's look forward, people.

    And, as long as I'm a moderator here, there will be no name calling, no matter who the owners are.  Posts that contain name calling have been and will be edited.

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #721 on: September 21, 2018, 03:01:16 am »
    my god - VerticalScope owns Pornhub: https://www.verticalscope.com/aboutus/tos.php?site=Pornhub.com

    And Amazon: https://www.verticalscope.com/aboutus/tos.php?site=amazon.com

    You can plug any site into the TOS generator at the end of the URL and it works, even total gibberish. VS does not own Amazon.


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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #722 on: September 21, 2018, 03:11:38 am »
    You can plug any site into the TOS generator at the end of the URL and it works, even total gibberish. VS does not own Amazon.

    that was the joke, yes

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    Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
    « Reply #723 on: September 21, 2018, 03:22:33 am »
    Betsy,

    If one were to do any of the things you're referring to, would it mean that one's account would be banned and deleted?

    Asking for a friend... ;)

    Contrary to forum mythology, banning is a last resort here and rarely employed.  We prefer to use the cattle prod, withholding of coffee bar privileges, the rack, banning from a thread or post approval first.

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    « Reply #724 on: September 21, 2018, 04:04:02 am »
    Folks,

    I said once that speculation about the Chutes' reasons and intent in selling KBoards were not appropriate here.  I'll say it again. 

    You can find the announcement about the sale and the reasons behind it here.  As with any member, the KB way is to assume good faith in posting.  We should do that here.

    This thread is for discussion of the new ToS, reactions to it and ideas on actions that you, the members, might want to take going forward to address your concerns.

    Let's look forward, people.

    And, as long as I'm a moderator here, there will be no name calling, no matter who the owners are. Posts that contain name calling have been and will be edited.

    Thanks,

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    Does this include calling people trolls? ::)

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