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Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
« on: March 16, 2020, 08:57:18 pm »
So I am on Youtube and researching about kindle publishing, and I'm seeing a LOT of ads from a pair of young guys called the Mikkelsen Twins. They claim to be making a six figure income from publishing with something called "ghost audio". Apparently the premise is, based on their presentation, that they outsource material and then publish it for profits. This sounds interesting but as anything with online marketing these days I'm a bit of a skeptic. I've done some research elsewhere and from what I can determine they aren't in cahoots with any "credible" authors or anyone in the publishing space.

Is it a scam and if so why in the world is Youtube allowing these guys to promote? What's the general consensus on these blokes?



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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #1 on: March 16, 2020, 09:32:24 pm »
    I don't know about these particular ones but the model is this:

    Get a book of about 25k written and narrated as cheaply as possible. Distribute via ACX. Give out the 200 codes you get. Times 1000

    ETA. at this point in time I'd call it a dodgy "scheme" not quite a scam because ACX legit allows you to do this. Of course now the audio selection clutters up with short stories of dubious quality and Amazon will act once it's had enough emails from p*ssed-off listeners about it or something else that equates bad PR for Amazon (bat phone to David Gaughran).

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    « Reply #2 on: March 16, 2020, 09:36:35 pm »
    I don't know about these particular ones but the model is this:

    Get a book of about 25k written and narrated as cheaply as possible. Distribute via ACX. Give out the 200 codes you get. Times 1000

    I figured, but does anyone really need to pay their fee of 1000 bucks to learn something that is a short term hack at best? I thought there would be maybe more substance to it? Oh well. Lots of hucksters these days. I'll just keep a cautious eye with these internet marketers trying to milk publishing and move on.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #3 on: March 16, 2020, 09:37:38 pm »
    I figured, but does anyone really need to pay their fee of 1000 bucks to learn something that is a short term hack at best? I thought there would be maybe more substance to it? Oh well. Lots of hucksters these days. I'll just keep a cautious eye with these internet marketers trying to milk publishing and move on.

    YUP

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #4 on: March 17, 2020, 11:22:04 am »
    I figured, but does anyone really need to pay their fee of 1000 bucks to learn something that is a short term hack at best? I thought there would be maybe more substance to it? Oh well. Lots of hucksters these days. I'll just keep a cautious eye with these internet marketers trying to milk publishing and move on.
    Look them up on youtube and see what kind of doofuses these guys are. Hint: they got banned for publishing Google translated books and have a lengthy video on that. These guys probably make more of their courses than their publishing. I'd look for more suitable teachers.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #5 on: March 18, 2020, 06:14:42 am »
    If it smells like monkey dung, get out of the jungle. Trust your gut.
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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #6 on: March 18, 2020, 06:55:34 am »
    Reminds me of the people who ran get-rich-in-real-estate infomercials back in the 80s. Most of them got rich by selling courses, not real estate. Before that were full-page newspaper ads promoting various get-rich schemes. Nearly, probably all, of them were schemes to get rich by selling courses to other suckers.

    In the late 80s, early 90s, get-rich-with-government-auctions was all the rage, again, selling courses, not actually buying at auctions and selling. I was in the auction business at the time and loved to see those suckers come in with their pockets stuffed with C-notes that ended up in my pocket.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #7 on: March 18, 2020, 02:10:03 pm »
    Oh, honey, they make their money from you, and others like you, who pay them a thousand bucks for information that is either dodgy ethically, goes against TOS, or is outright illegal.

    There is no easy money in writing. None. Everything requires time, effort, knowledge and money. ROI for most is negligible, if there's any at all. Write because you can't not write. Learn the publishing business, and marketing, or go for the traditional publishing contract (and you'll still need the marketing), but don't fall for that easy passive income nonsense.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #8 on: March 18, 2020, 05:56:12 pm »
    Another fellow KBoarder posted a couple links to their videos a few months back. They reminded me of Wayne's World without the air guitar.

    There are probably tons of people trying to make money telling you how to make a fast buck on the Zon.

    Some of them may be legit, I wouldn't really know personally as don't follow any of them. I'd rather trust what I read here and a couple other places where the actual authors hang out. Just my two cents on it.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #9 on: June 01, 2020, 11:09:53 am »
    I was also curious, and finally, I thought I'd give it a try. Thinking about the worst-case I'll ask for a refund. But when I joined the course, and the FB community group I realized that this really works. All you need is to learn and show the dedication to apply what you learn. The results are not the same for everyone, I just started week 2 of the course now and tbh I learned a lot. Not sure if I'm gonna get the results like others in the group who's making 10k or more p.m. but it's worth the price and a legitimate one. They do live Q&A call biweekly, this made me satisfied that people are real and I can ask all my questions.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #10 on: June 01, 2020, 12:29:31 pm »
    I was also curious, and finally, I thought I'd give it a try. Thinking about the worst-case I'll ask for a refund. But when I joined the course, and the FB community group I realized that this really works. All you need is to learn and show the dedication to apply what you learn. The results are not the same for everyone, I just started week 2 of the course now and tbh I learned a lot. Not sure if I'm gonna get the results like others in the group who's making 10k or more p.m. but it's worth the price and a legitimate one. They do live Q&A call biweekly, this made me satisfied that people are real and I can ask all my questions.

    Absolutely nothing dodgy about this 1st post at all.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #11 on: June 01, 2020, 01:04:30 pm »
    Not to mention that if the path to riches involves the money you make from giving away your audiobook codes, Amazon has closed that particular loophole.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #12 on: June 01, 2020, 01:05:04 pm »
    And this is why ACX codes no longer give you money.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #13 on: June 01, 2020, 03:09:08 pm »
    I remember we had a guy on here once asking for advice on how to sell his book. Guess what it was about.


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    « Reply #14 on: June 01, 2020, 05:11:00 pm »
    If it looks too good to be true, it is.

    If it's a "secret" to making money, nobody will be selling it to you. They will use it themselves.

    If you ever wonder about any of these schemes, just put in the name of the product, course or proponent, and the word "scam," and see what comes up.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Publishing Life are a SCAM!
    « Reply #15 on: August 08, 2020, 10:08:16 pm »
    These two jokers have lost their Amazon accounts - KDP, Merch, and ACX. Before handing them your money, ask yourself why. Black hat tactics. Amazon always finds out. They've lost the support of all the reputable people in the business. They started out with a bang. I liked them. I even bought their course, something I'm not proud of now. Ashamed is a better word.

    They have, or had, a video about getting review swaps. Not saying they were bad, saying you had to do them. Christian lost his KDP account for using software to translate books to Spanish. I pay a translater just to translate t-shirts! He used software for books. That's the kind of shady crap you'll learn from these two. Don't do it. A lot of people have lost their accounts because of these guys. Don't be one of them.

    One of the things they taught was to find two top-selling authors in audiobook niches, switch their names and have co-authors (Jack Roberts and Julie Harrison become Jack Harrison and Julie Roberts.) If you could talk a narrator into using a pen name, you'd have one for the author and one for the narrator. They figured out author names are searchable keywords. It didn't matter what order they were in. This got people banned.

    ACX banned all their accounts and really don't like them. If you ever talk to their customer service, never mention you took their course (if you did) them might just instaban you.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Publishing Life are a SCAM!
    « Reply #16 on: August 10, 2020, 03:40:02 pm »
    Absolutely nothing dodgy about this 1st post at all.

    Nothing at all. :O

    LOL It's a typical tactic, to get someone to join up and post a glowing review of whatever is being sold. See it all the time.

    If it looks too good to be true, it is.

    If it's a "secret" to making money, nobody will be selling it to you. They will use it themselves.

    If you ever wonder about any of these schemes, just put in the name of the product, course or proponent, and the word "scam," and see what comes up.

    People would be a lot better off if they would follow David's advice. Sadly, so many get caught up in the thrill of something, in being told how easy it is to make money with no investment or effort at all.

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    IT'S 100% NOT A SCAM! <--Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Publishing Life are a SCAM!
    « Reply #17 on: December 24, 2020, 04:24:08 pm »
    I'm 100% sure whatever I say about these guys will be ridiculed. That's what people do here. But you asked, so I answered. I took the course so I'm not pontificating. I do know know these guys personally. DM me and I'll show you my income reports.

    Firstly, I hear you and your caution with online money-making programs. However, this is LIBELOUS. They're not scams.
    If they are scams, then scores of real students who vouch for them are also scams. Who would want that sort of publicity? It's their face everywhere and the twins spend a lot of money on ads, as you know. I supposed we all got scammed and no one wants to admit it. Honestly, that's a lot of money to be scammed for. If it were true, you'd hear a lot about it.
    Also, on their videos and course sales page, they clearly have Disclaimers about their income and results. I know people don't read the fine
    print, but it's there. Caveat emptor.

    As someone who would have paid 3X's the course, I found the Mikkelsen Twins' course to be legitimate--a minority opinion here.
    It's not easy and it can't be simplified to a few lines as people in this thread have done. It's doable, but there are intricate parts
    that do require deep training. In one YT video, they even said it could take 6 months to a year to get results. Some make money far sooner, but that's pretty transparent to me. What scam artist would say that? I think the business model is interesting as it does focus on Kindle audio books exclusively.
    Think about the opportunities in ASMR, language acquisition, hypnosis, PTSD, etc.

    In their private FB group, you'll see dozens of people posting their wins. (It's a real positive bunch.) That is worth more than the course,
    IMHO. It's a group people of trying to make it all work! Honesty, since the course is a kinda expensive, there are people in there
    doing everything they can to break even quickly. They don't want to be taken. Some do it in a few months and others fall off and never finish the course.
    However, the business model does work and it's always being updated to be relevant. --All of which I don't pay attention to.

    The bi-monthly live coaching calls are hard for me since the time zone does not line up, but I just watch the replays.
    Unfortunately, that means that I don't get my question answered immediately. They do have someone doing customer service beyond
    the FB group moderator help.

    So yes, it does sound too good to be true. And yes, only people who complete the looooong course and execute the tasks make any money.
    And yes, these two have a personality that people can love or pick on. I get all of that. But as far as their course, it's NOT a scam.
    If you don't like them or the business, let it be and move on. But it's not right to talk about something you don't know anything about because you're on the outside purely speculating!

    What you'll learn about any money-making idea is that if others have replicated a trainer's results perfectly, there might be something to it.
    If you have the right mindset and you execute relentlessly to achieve the desired result, you'll make it.
    However, that's what is probably not stressed enough in ANY online program. Relentless entrepreneurs are hard to find.
    People who fail to see the logic in that will never succeed. These guys might not be your favorite and the money does sounds too good to be true, but I've personally chatted to many people in this course to find the claim that the Mikkelsen twins are a scam. In fact, I find them to be incredibly supportive. Feel free to DM for any Q.s
    --------
    Update: So what I'm getting from the replies are that:
    1. A first-time commenter here gets disrespect for being new.
    2. No one here actually took the course.
    3. Cynicism and trolling prevails.

    Well, it is what it is! However, I'm here because I was bored on Reddit. Forgive me for not having 1M comments here.
    Also, as someone who has been burnt by so-called online gurus ($1,000+), I found this course and FB group great.
    I guess some people won't believe me, but that's their prerogative. I know what transpired. But think for one second before the snide cynicism rears its ugly head again. What if 100 of the 100,000,000 courses out there are actually legit? Is everyone successful online educator a fraud? That's just dumb thinking.

    People's criteria for evaluation has to be better. Yes, lots of scams out there, but not everyone is a crook. If there were a way I could whisk you into the FB group and have you talk to several of my chums about the kind of money they were making with this program, that might add more legitimacy. No one has a reason to lie or save face. People know if they are not successful, it's because they didn't do what the map laid out. It's kind of a lot and online course completion is at an all-time low. There are many reasons for not making money with a course you believed in. I was one of them with so many other courses I failed at. I just found this one different.

    Beat up on these guys all you want. This doesn't affect me. I'm just telling it like is from someone who spent their hard-earned money on the program. You don't have to believe anyone here. The internet has minted more millionaires than any other platform, so something has to work online. And as far as people thinking their method is generic and broad, it's actually pretty specialized. The numerous tactics I've never hard of and I'm a veteran in publishing.

    But I get it, everything I say will be dismissed with an unsubstantiated pithy remark because that's what the craven do. They pontificate on things from afar having never actually experienced something for real. I can criticize a lot of things having never done it. I suggest people stay level-headed and skeptical of all online programs, but also study logic and facts. Criticize judiciously. Don't go off speculation and triple-hearsay. I'm okay with anyone ignoring that. My audiobooks will still be making me money despite what you think.

    If you think they're scams, be a man and do something about it, build a better business model, get your own legion of backers. Something tells me that if you become successful legitimately, you'll get 20+ comments about how you're a scam too. Maybe you'll have a grateful student stand up for you because they enjoyed your course. But that won't matter, right? Everything is a scam.

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    I hear you and your caution with online money-making programs. However, this is LIBELOUS. They're not scams.
    If they are scams, then scores of real students who vouch for them are also scams. Who would want that sort of publicity?
    Also, on their videos and course sales page, they clearly have Disclaimers about their income. I know people don't read the fine
    print, but it's there.

    As someone who would have paid 3X's the course, I found the Mikkelsen Twins' course to be legitimate.
    It's not easy and it can't be simplified to a few lines as people in this thread have done. It's doable, but there are intricate parts
    that do require deep training. I think the business model is interesting as it does focus on Kindle audio books exclusively.
    Think about the opportunities in ASMR, language acquisition, hypnosis, PTSD, etc.

    In their private FB group, you'll see dozens of people posting their wins. (It's a real positive bunch.) That is worth more than the course,
    IMHO. It's a group people of trying to make it all work! Honesty, since the course is a kinda expensive, there are people in there
    doing everything they can to break even quickly. Some do it in a few months and others fall off and never finish the course.
    However, the business model does work and it's always being updated to be relevant.

    The bi-monthly live coaching calls are hard for me since the time zone does not line up, but I just watch the replays.
    Unfortunately, that means that I don't get my question answered immediately. They do have someone doing customer service beyond
    the FB group moderator help.

    So yes, it does sound too good to be true. And yes, only people who complete the looooong course and execute the tasks make any money.
    And yes, these two have a personality that people can love or pick on. I get all of that. But as far as their course, it's NOT a scam.
    If you don't like them or the business, let it be and move on. But it's not right to talk about something you don't know anything about because you're on the outside purely speculating!

    What you'll learn about any money-making idea is that if others have replicated a trainer's results perfectly, there might be something to it.
    If you have the right mindset and you execute relentlessly to achieve the desired result, you'll make it.
    However, that's what is probably not stressed enough in ANY online program. Relentless entrepreneurs are hard to find.
    People who fail to see the logic in that will never succeed. These guys might not be your favorite and the money does sounds too good to be true, but I've personally chatted to many people in this course to find the claim that the Mikkelsen twins are a scam. In fact, I find them to be incredibly supportive. Feel free to DM for any Q.s

    And another first post that doesn't smell like elephant dung at all. Nothing dodgy here, especially not the bolded parts and the screams of libel. How is it that you shills aren't smart enough to post something that doesn't scream bullcrap?

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Publishing Life are a SCAM!
    « Reply #19 on: December 24, 2020, 05:49:38 pm »
    Yep. Another first-time poster protesting that even though it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's definitely not a duck. I'm so surprised.  ::)
             

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    « Reply #20 on: December 24, 2020, 08:58:12 pm »
    Nah, that's not libel. Not in the USA anyway. If it were, the links below would be filled with libel. Lots of libel.

    Do your own research to find out whether these things might be scams or not. Then make your own decision. Don't believe any single poster's opinion. Add up the weight of reports and decide for yourself where you want to send your hard-earned money.

    Here's a few I found on page 1 of a search:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/gh23d7/mikkelsen_twins_scam/

    https://www.scampulse.com/mikkelsen-twins-reviews

    https://scambusters.org/eviltwin.html

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #21 on: December 25, 2020, 05:51:28 am »
    I'll repeat what I said earlier upthread: one is probably much better off getting advice from places like KB (and perhaps a few indie author reddits and other forums) where real indie authors hang out. Some of them -- including a couple in this thread -- are quite successful and can give a newbie better advice. Shortcuts can get you into trouble.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #22 on: December 25, 2020, 01:02:53 pm »
    It's irrelevant. You can't do this anymore. If anything, ACX is now scamming back at these people (and us) by encouraging people to return audiobooks. I'm 100% sure that get-rich-quick books attract a particular crowd that just luuuuuurves returning books.

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    « Reply #23 on: December 26, 2020, 02:04:02 pm »
    Yep. Another first-time poster protesting that even though it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's definitely not a duck. I'm so surprised.  ::)

    And months later, yet. Somebody's income from the courses must be dropping, time to call in the calvery to get the money flowing.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #24 on: December 27, 2020, 02:40:26 am »
    I was also curious, and finally, I thought I'd give it a try. Thinking about the worst-case I'll ask for a refund. But when I joined the course, and the FB community group I realized that this really works. All you need is to learn and show the dedication to apply what you learn. The results are not the same for everyone, I just started week 2 of the course now and tbh I learned a lot. Not sure if I'm gonna get the results like others in the group who's making 10k or more p.m. but it's worth the price and a legitimate one. They do live Q&A call biweekly, this made me satisfied that people are real and I can ask all my questions.
    You sound familiar. Did you, by any chance, give similar testimonials to all those affiliate marketing gurus, you know the ones with the secret code to make six figures a month and have pictures of yachts, mansions and Lamborghinis all over their newsletters.

    Still we need a laugh after this year and I do so enjoy these pathetic little attempts to legitimatise what is obviously a con with a great bit capital C.


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