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Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2020, 04:14:51 am »
I hear you and your caution with online money-making programs. However, this is LIBELOUS. They're not scams.
If they are scams, then scores of real students who vouch for them are also scams.

Hahahahah....hahahAHAHAHAHAHAhahahah..hahaha...hahah...ha

Oh wait, you were serious.

Okay, then know this.

That's not how it works. Many would be too embarrassed to have dropped that amount of money on a course that could potentially damage their KDP account to say anything. Who likes to admit to the world that they got bilked out of their money?

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #26 on: December 27, 2020, 05:56:25 am »
    Absolutely nothing dodgy about this 1st post at all.

    My thought exactly. Nothing like a first-time poster singing the praises of a $1000 scam course! But I'm sure it's legit.  ::)
     
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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #27 on: December 27, 2020, 06:42:17 am »
    My thought exactly. Nothing like a first-time poster singing the praises of a $1000 scam course! But I'm sure it's legit.  ::)
    The interesting thing is how they think we are going to fall for the: 'I took the scam course and it was worth every cent'?


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    It's an old routine: fast money with generic content and/or a content mill
    « Reply #28 on: December 27, 2020, 06:44:16 am »
    Versions of the Mikkelson Twins' routine have been around since Amazon first allowed POD self-published books back in the early 2000s. It also existed in the blogosphere, when the blogosphere was a thing. This is not new.

    Here's how it works:

    1. Offer generic advice about how the audience can "get rich quick" publishing---usually by repurposing generic content.
    2. Sell expensive courses that offer generic advice and "shortcuts to success".
    3. Tell students that you're making millions repurposing generic content yourself. (And they can do it, too!)

    Since the early 2000s, there have literally been thousands of operators who have done this. The Mikkelsons are youthful and hip, and they're comfortable on camera. But there is nothing new about any of it.

    Back around 2001, there were people teaching folks how to package nonfiction "reports" to sell on Amazon, by repurposing general information that was freely available on the web.

    It isn't exactly a "scam". I'm sure the twins have been smart enough to tell students that their results may vary.

    Before Amazon self-pubbing, there were "gurus" telling people how to make generic websites (content mills) for Adsense revenue.

    I've watched the Mikkelsons' videos. Everything they do screams "content mill". Content mills can occasionally make a small amount of money. There is nothing illegal about any of it. But content mills mostly make money for the people who sell courses teaching others how to make content mills themselves.

    I would bet anyone here dollars to donuts that the twins make most of their money (upwards of 90%) through their "students". That is always how it works with these things.



    I hear you and your caution with online money-making programs. However, this is LIBELOUS. They're not scams.
    If they are scams, then scores of real students who vouch for them are also scams. Who would want that sort of publicity?
    Also, on their videos and course sales page, they clearly have Disclaimers about their income. I know people don't read the fine
    print, but it's there.

    As someone who would have paid 3X's the course, I found the Mikkelsen Twins' course to be legitimate.
    It's not easy and it can't be simplified to a few lines as people in this thread have done. It's doable, but there are intricate parts
    that do require deep training. I think the business model is interesting as it does focus on Kindle audio books exclusively.
    Think about the opportunities in ASMR, language acquisition, hypnosis, PTSD, etc.

    In their private FB group, you'll see dozens of people posting their wins. (It's a real positive bunch.) That is worth more than the course,
    IMHO. It's a group people of trying to make it all work! Honesty, since the course is a kinda expensive, there are people in there
    doing everything they can to break even quickly. Some do it in a few months and others fall off and never finish the course.
    However, the business model does work and it's always being updated to be relevant.

    The bi-monthly live coaching calls are hard for me since the time zone does not line up, but I just watch the replays.
    Unfortunately, that means that I don't get my question answered immediately. They do have someone doing customer service beyond
    the FB group moderator help.

    So yes, it does sound too good to be true. And yes, only people who complete the looooong course and execute the tasks make any money.
    And yes, these two have a personality that people can love or pick on. I get all of that. But as far as their course, it's NOT a scam.
    If you don't like them or the business, let it be and move on. But it's not right to talk about something you don't know anything about because you're on the outside purely speculating!

    What you'll learn about any money-making idea is that if others have replicated a trainer's results perfectly, there might be something to it.
    If you have the right mindset and you execute relentlessly to achieve the desired result, you'll make it.
    However, that's what is probably not stressed enough in ANY online program. Relentless entrepreneurs are hard to find.
    People who fail to see the logic in that will never succeed. These guys might not be your favorite and the money does sounds too good to be true, but I've personally chatted to many people in this course to find the claim that the Mikkelsen twins are a scam. In fact, I find them to be incredibly supportive. Feel free to DM for any Q.s

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    I hear you and your caution with online money-making programs. However, this is LIBELOUS. They're not scams.
    If they are scams, then scores of real students who vouch for them are also scams. Who would want that sort of publicity?
    Also, on their videos and course sales page, they clearly have Disclaimers about their income. I know people don't read the fine
    print, but it's there.

    As someone who would have paid 3X's the course, I found the Mikkelsen Twins' course to be legitimate.
    It's not easy and it can't be simplified to a few lines as people in this thread have done. It's doable, but there are intricate parts
    that do require deep training. I think the business model is interesting as it does focus on Kindle audio books exclusively.
    Think about the opportunities in ASMR, language acquisition, hypnosis, PTSD, etc.

    In their private FB group, you'll see dozens of people posting their wins. (It's a real positive bunch.) That is worth more than the course,
    IMHO. It's a group people of trying to make it all work! Honesty, since the course is a kinda expensive, there are people in there
    doing everything they can to break even quickly. Some do it in a few months and others fall off and never finish the course.
    However, the business model does work and it's always being updated to be relevant.

    The bi-monthly live coaching calls are hard for me since the time zone does not line up, but I just watch the replays.
    Unfortunately, that means that I don't get my question answered immediately. They do have someone doing customer service beyond
    the FB group moderator help.

    So yes, it does sound too good to be true. And yes, only people who complete the looooong course and execute the tasks make any money.
    And yes, these two have a personality that people can love or pick on. I get all of that. But as far as their course, it's NOT a scam.
    If you don't like them or the business, let it be and move on. But it's not right to talk about something you don't know anything about because you're on the outside purely speculating!

    What you'll learn about any money-making idea is that if others have replicated a trainer's results perfectly, there might be something to it.
    If you have the right mindset and you execute relentlessly to achieve the desired result, you'll make it.
    However, that's what is probably not stressed enough in ANY online program. Relentless entrepreneurs are hard to find.
    People who fail to see the logic in that will never succeed. These guys might not be your favorite and the money does sounds too good to be true, but I've personally chatted to many people in this course to find the claim that the Mikkelsen twins are a scam. In fact, I find them to be incredibly supportive. Feel free to DM for any Q.s

    Yep. I'm sure the handful of first time ever posts here defending a $1000 course are totally legit!!!!
    Come on, people.
     
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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #31 on: December 28, 2020, 12:54:15 pm »
    This sort of thing has been around forever. Before the Internet, before television, even. Ads in the backs of magazines promising tons of money stuffing envelopes. Ads saying you could make good money doing simple crafts. Back in the early 90s or so, it was drop shipping wonderful items you sold out of a catalog. Make a fortune from that one, for sure. Later on it was the buy and sell real estate deal. These days it's publishing books and watching the millions of passive income roll in. You can hire a ghostwriter for $5 to give you all the short pamphlets you need! The only trick to it is that the people selling the secret are the only ones who make money from it, because it's a con. Send me some money, I'll let you in on the secret, multiply by the thousands.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #32 on: December 30, 2020, 05:06:04 am »
    There's a YouTube channel called Coffeezilla and the central premise of his channel is debunking and calling out the proliferation of scam artists, gurus and MLMers out there. Mikkelson Twins are ripe for a dedicated episode.

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    « Reply #33 on: December 30, 2020, 05:27:39 am »
    I mean, yeah, anytime someone is going to sell you a secret, I feel like it's a good idea to steer clear.  This is the business model of someone who doesn't sell a product.  Like, Microsoft doesn't offer courses on how to make computers, they just sell you the computers.  If their advice worked so well, then they'd probably just be using it.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #34 on: December 30, 2020, 07:24:37 am »
    Years ago I watched a late nigh infomercial selling some course which I cannot remember. So I rang them and asked, does this course really work?
    She assured me it did. There were thousands who have made a career and good money from it.

    I then asked why is she answering phones for ten bucks an hour?

    She hung up.

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    « Reply #35 on: December 30, 2020, 08:23:08 am »
    Years ago I watched a late nigh infomercial selling some course which I cannot remember. So I rang them and asked, does this course really work?
    She assured me it did. There were thousands who have made a career and good money from it.

    I then asked why is she answering phones for ten bucks an hour?

    She hung up.

    :)

    Bwhaha...yep!

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    And another first post that doesn't smell like elephant dung at all. Nothing dodgy here, especially not the bolded parts and the screams of libel. How is it that you shills aren't smart enough to post something that doesn't scream bullcrap?

    Brilliant ad hominem. That's what the illogical do.  You should write cards. :)

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #37 on: January 05, 2021, 11:38:33 am »
    And months later, yet. Somebody's income from the courses must be dropping, time to call in the calvery to get the money flowing.

    *cavalry

    New to kboards. Is that really so bad? Didn't know that disqualified me. I must be a hack!
    Everyone has their two cents. A question was asked and I had bought the course to answer it. Assuming I'm not the course creator, doesn't that give me some sort of legitimacy?

    Who else here has done that? And if they haven't, are their common words a pontification? Treat it like a court case. Where's the proof to back their claim?
    I got income reports from deploying the program. How about you? I think these guys are nice. I could be dead-wrong, but I wasn't born yesterday.


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    « Reply #38 on: January 05, 2021, 12:09:46 pm »
    Another fellow KBoarder posted a couple links to their videos a few months back. They reminded me of Wayne's World without the air guitar.

    There are probably tons of people trying to make money telling you how to make a fast buck on the Zon.

    Some of them may be legit, I wouldn't really know personally as don't follow any of them. I'd rather trust what I read here and a couple other places where the actual authors hang out. Just my two cents on it.

    Okay, that was kinda funny about the Wayne's World thing. I see that. However, the more interesting thing you said was trusting what you read here! This is where I got scammed into buying an eBook on publishing. It was utter rubbish.

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    « Reply #39 on: January 05, 2021, 01:00:55 pm »
    westlake503, can you really blame the skeptical? You have no posting history aside from an overlong defense of obvious scammers and ridiculous accusations of libel. Do you really expect us to believe this is how a fellow author would introduce themselves to a segment of their own community?

    Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

    I suppose it's possible you were born yesterday, but my guess is it's you who think we were.

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    Brilliant ad hominem. That's what the illogical do.  You should write cards. :)
    Son, when I ad hominem, it's about as logical as it gets. And I make more money writing books, something your sort should try. Oh - but I forget, those who can do, those who can't, offer shady classes on how to do something they can't. Yep, elephant dung all right. And that, my boy, is what the smart folks call logic.

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    « Reply #41 on: January 05, 2021, 02:46:54 pm »
    *cavalry

    New to kboards. Is that really so bad? Didn't know that disqualified me. I must be a hack!
    Everyone has their two cents. A question was asked and I had bought the course to answer it. Assuming I'm not the course creator, doesn't that give me some sort of legitimacy?

    Who else here has done that? And if they haven't, are their common words a pontification? Treat it like a court case. Where's the proof to back their claim?
    I got income reports from deploying the program. How about you? I think these guys are nice. I could be dead-wrong, but I wasn't born yesterday.

    If you are legitimate, then you really shouldn't take these things personally.  Anybody would be glad that you took the course, got good info, and it helped your writing career.  People posting skepticism of the course doesn't really affect you, the person who has benefited from them.  You still maintain your benefit, and if anything you have an advantage over anyone who is skeptical.

    If you are not legitimate, then by all means, continue to go out of your way to make this into an argument.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #42 on: January 06, 2021, 03:19:55 pm »
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    Assuming I'm not the course creator, doesn't that give me some sort of legitimacy?

    Not really. One post wonders, who never show up to contribute to the forum outside of doing the "it's totally legit I swear!" thing have no legitimacy. None. Like it or not, that's how it works. And not just here.

    And thanks for the proofreading. I normally don't leave such egregious errors, but you got lucky that day.

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    « Reply #43 on: January 06, 2021, 07:47:30 pm »

    New to kboards. Is that really so bad? Didn't know that disqualified me. I must be a hack!
    Everyone has their two cents. A question was asked and I had bought the course to answer it.

    Assuming I'm not the course creator, doesn't that give me some sort of legitimacy?

    Who else here has done that? And if they haven't, are their common words a pontification? Treat it like a court case. Where's the proof to back their claim?
    I got income reports from deploying the program. How about you? I think these guys are nice. I could be dead-wrong, but I wasn't born yesterday.

    There's nothing bad about being new to KBoards. Extolling the virtues of a company known to use dubious tactics? That's the bad part.

    Even if you're not the course creator, who's to say you're not gaining something from trying to get people to sign up for it? We don't know you. You're anonymous. And you offered no proof of your claim. If you've got income reports, let's see them. I don't think anyone here is opposed to learning how to make money, as long as it's legit. But we've seen plenty of people drop in here and try to scam us, so we tend to be suspicious of brand new posters who swear that Suspicious Company #74 isn't a scam, but isn't willing to offer any proof.

    On the other hand, the fact that the course focuses on Amazon audiobooks exclusively is a bit of a red flag. As is the fact that all of their books seem to be gone from the Amazon store entirely. If they were on the up and up, shouldn't they have books for sale on the platform their program uses exclusively? You would think that, for a company with such awesome info to teach, they should have their books up for sale on Amazon, and those books would be selling like hotcakes? So why aren't they?
             

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    « Reply #44 on: January 06, 2021, 09:48:12 pm »
    Okay, that was kinda funny about the Wayne's World thing. I see that. However, the more interesting thing you said was trusting what you read here! This is where I got scammed into buying an eBook on publishing. It was utter rubbish.

    Point taken. It's always caveat emptor.

    I was referring more to the breadth of advice one can get here on KB over a period of time. I've only been here maybe two to three years... Seen a lot of advice given by authors who seem to have books that sell.

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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #45 on: January 06, 2021, 11:10:02 pm »
    This is where I got scammed into buying an eBook on publishing. It was utter rubbish.
    Did that ebook cost you $1000? And why didn't you send it back for a refund?


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    « Reply #46 on: January 06, 2021, 11:13:51 pm »
    When someone is trying to sell a course to authors about marketing, the first question to ask is: Is this person an author? The second question is to look them up on Amazon and elsewhere to see how well their books are doing and what they are writing, besides how to sell courses and how to market. If that evidence is missing, the course is likely crap.


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    Re: Mikkelsen Twins / Audiobook Income Academy is it legitimate?
    « Reply #47 on: January 07, 2021, 12:27:54 am »
    Ive always thought that by the time someone is ready to share their brilliant secret ( in the form of a course/book) the time for it to be effective has already passed.

    Here is another way to look at it. The courses that speak about their students making 25k a month, why are they willing to sell it to you for just a few hundred bucks? Why are they not hiring a team, paying them 20 an hour even 30, to do the work and make so much more for themselves?

    But you can learn from them, watch how they promote, get your heart racing and your mind dreaming. They are very good at that and you can use some of the skills for your own marketing.





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    « Reply #48 on: January 07, 2021, 01:45:52 am »
    It's subtle - the Mikkelsen Twins are not lying about anything, because they don't need to lie.

    Their goal is to make passive income from the internet. That's it. That's their only goal. They're not actually 'writers' at all, they just see Amazon / KDP as a useful route to a steady passive income. They're probably actually fairly good at achieving that.

    Their course, I assume, teaches exactly that too - What is the fastest way to make money out of the Amazon system. The thing is, that's a very different goal to why most of us come to kboards. It may even be directly opposed to it, if they encourage flooding the market with too much crap.

    Some of their ideas I found on marketing were interesting, but once I realized their approach to writing was basically to be as shallow as possible, it really seemed not worth my time.

    Ive always thought that by the time someone is ready to share their brilliant secret ( in the form of a course/book) the time for it to be effective has already passed.
    Yeah that's a really good point. It's always too late, by the time its being advertised to the whole world.
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    « Reply #49 on: January 07, 2021, 06:28:30 am »
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    Amazon / KDP as a useful route to a steady passive income

    Ask any real writer, putting out good books and making money, how true that "passive income" crap is. They'll tell you it's a big fat lie. Look at posts here or anywhere about marketing, how much harder it is, how much more it costs, how much effort you have to put into keeping up with what works and what doesn't. And how you have to keep publishing, keep working the back list. For anyone other than the SEO folks, who see KDP as a cash cow and have no real interest in writing.

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