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Cover check needed, please
« on: June 29, 2020, 09:33:19 pm »
This cover needs the elements brought together. I'm not sure how best to do that.

Does it need a filter like a blue filter to blend in the font and image, and chill down the bright colors?
What about a grainy texture? It looks too clean to me. Almost cartoonish.
Do you think the figure should fill more space or would you rather just have the colors and lose the figure?

Thank you in advance.


Version 4. I think I have it right this time??





Greatly revised version 3. See the genre and blurb below. What do you think? 






Old one below.





The genre is ESP and Military Science (and variations of both). It's non-fiction.

Here's the blurb:
What do we know about the most secret weapons that exist today? The kind of technology we tell ourselves belongs only to the terrifying scenarios envisioned by science fiction writers?

A nuclear exchange is a nightmare event most of us would rather not imagine. But, what if the generals thought they could win an all-out war, yet avoid the threat of mutually assured destruction?  What if nations with well-funded militaries believed they could cripple an enemy of any size without the use of nuclear weapons? What if nations possessed advanced technologies that allowed them to wage war, yet preserved the spoils for them, the victors? What if some of these weapons were for control rather than to annihilate?

Kiwi Joe remote viewed nine of the most secret weapons on the planet in a series of blind target sessions completed over six years. For the first time, he reveals all the information he collected. The book is illustrated by original drawings from eighteen sessions, and includes several color plates. He shows incredible weapons intended not for some dark distant future but for use in the here and now. The counter-revolution has begun, the battles are disguised, and the battlefield spans the globe.


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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #1 on: June 29, 2020, 09:55:48 pm »
    Feels like a strong contender for a type-only treatment given word count on the title.

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #2 on: June 30, 2020, 12:54:46 am »
    First I love the title, it's very catchy. Also love the bold text style. I don't like multi color effect, a bit dimmed color effect or 2 -3 color would be good. And you are right, either remove the figure or make it a bit bigger.

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #3 on: June 30, 2020, 12:58:37 am »
    Yes, definitely a big title, and I'm already confused by the possibilities.

    It's nonfiction. I've just added the genre and a blurb in the OP.

    I might just do something with the titles and fade the background. 

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #4 on: June 30, 2020, 01:03:08 am »
    Hey, Ricko, Big title is very very important here. May be some trashed effect on the text. Back ground color needed to be dimmed/faded it's very flashy right now

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #5 on: June 30, 2020, 01:04:00 am »
    First I love the title, it's very catchy. Also love the bold text style. I don't like multi color effect, a bit dimmed color effect or 2 -3 color would be good. And you are right, either remove the figure or make it a bit bigger.
    Thanks. Have to admit I was a little uneasy about the title.

    I'll play with the figure, make it bigger, and I'll add something like a blue filter (thinking dust and smoke) over the top of everything. I'll add it at the top when it's done.

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #6 on: June 30, 2020, 01:05:45 am »
    Thanks. Have to admit I was a little uneasy about the title.

    I'll play with the figure, make it bigger, and I'll add something like a blue filter (thinking dust and smoke) over the top of everything. I'll add it at the top when it's done.
    good idea

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #7 on: June 30, 2020, 04:00:39 am »
    Hey, Ricko, Big title is very very important here. May be some trashed effect on the text. Back ground color needed to be dimmed/faded it's very flashy right now
    I'll work on the trashed effect also. I was thinking the same but decided to go for the big bold and bright instead.

    Thanks Creativeparamita!

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #8 on: July 01, 2020, 03:32:25 am »
    Revised version of cover with most of the changes promised made. What do you think?

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #9 on: July 01, 2020, 05:19:08 am »
    You need to watch the colour logic. The new version is better than a previous one, but with a sombre topic like secret weapons, you probably want to stick with just red and black.

    The text should not be over the remote viewer's face. Try central justified text and maybe a shorter title.

    I'd also question whether an illustration is best for cover art in this case. What about picking a "future technology" sort of abstract design from a stock photo site?

    Unfortunately, none of these suggestions may be all that helpful. Getting covers right - even up to the point of being able to brief a designer if you want to go that way - is a long, hard slog in my experience unless you're writing "to trope", which does not seem to apply in your case.

    Anyway, keep struggling.

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #10 on: July 01, 2020, 06:48:31 am »
    The title is too close to the edge and throws cover off-balance. The guy being big balances it a bit, but it's not really adding too much interest.

    I'd second the idea for text-only cover or at least text being at center and then blending the guy behind it. You can put words 'most' and 'secret' in one line then, which saves space etc.

    For some inspiration, here are multiple different covers that could be used as a guide:

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624193262530/ (lots of words too, face behind them, modern simple design)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624196253400/ (word dominant too, but background is more unique and your current background would work in this model too, just text is much better executed here)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624198743166/ (really minimal but still pulls off mystical look a bit, could work with 'remote viewing' angle)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624199458196/  (another face under text cover)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624203922816/ (hard to do for anyone but example of text in the middle and visual at the bottom working well)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624199458321/ (text dominant and centered but visual on top this time, looks bad*ss, grungy background like yours could work well)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624193195390/ (another way of laying out text and visual under it, really cool and modern design)

    Good luck!





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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #11 on: July 01, 2020, 07:54:09 am »
    It looks more sci-fi to me and I would have never guessed nonfiction from the cover. I agree that a large title covering most of the cover would work well and I preferred the smaller face.

    Since your book is illustrated by original drawings why not use one or more of those drawings on the cover? They could be mutted or faded, maybe used as a texture.  I'd try toning down the colors and either omit the face or tone down the face and add some of your drawing elements.
     
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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #12 on: July 01, 2020, 09:22:11 am »
    The elephant in the room ... So, Kiwi Joe, you believe in all honesty (IN ALL HONESTY) that you remote viewed nine secret weapons from these world powers and you think its a good idea to release this information to the public for a few dollars? Just wondering how someone goes into writing a "non-fiction" book like this -- are you totally 100% believing in what you are telling the public? Or is this a money-grab for the gullible? 

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #13 on: July 01, 2020, 09:30:52 am »
    Revised version of cover with most of the changes promised made. What do you think?
    color needed to be mutated. You may remove the guy and place some other model shot if you would like. Need to work on the title a bit more. Here are sample cover for you, hope this helps.
    https://pin.it/534VR37
    https://pin.it/766E7nb
    https://pin.it/Lqg89uY

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #14 on: July 01, 2020, 04:22:35 pm »
    You need to watch the colour logic. The new version is better than a previous one, but with a sombre topic like secret weapons, you probably want to stick with just red and black.

    The text should not be over the remote viewer's face. Try central justified text and maybe a shorter title.

    I'd also question whether an illustration is best for cover art in this case. What about picking a "future technology" sort of abstract design from a stock photo site?

    Unfortunately, none of these suggestions may be all that helpful. Getting covers right - even up to the point of being able to brief a designer if you want to go that way - is a long, hard slog in my experience unless you're writing "to trope", which does not seem to apply in your case.

    Anyway, keep struggling.

    Not struggling Malcolm. Working. Yes, center justified text may offer a much better result. The title is definitely a key focus of attention. Thanks.
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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #15 on: July 01, 2020, 04:27:15 pm »
    The title is too close to the edge and throws cover off-balance. The guy being big balances it a bit, but it's not really adding too much interest.

    I'd second the idea for text-only cover or at least text being at center and then blending the guy behind it. You can put words 'most' and 'secret' in one line then, which saves space etc.

    For some inspiration, here are multiple different covers that could be used as a guide:

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624193262530/ (lots of words too, face behind them, modern simple design)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624196253400/ (word dominant too, but background is more unique and your current background would work in this model too, just text is much better executed here)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624198743166/ (really minimal but still pulls off mystical look a bit, could work with 'remote viewing' angle)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624199458196/  (another face under text cover)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624203922816/ (hard to do for anyone but example of text in the middle and visual at the bottom working well)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624199458321/ (text dominant and centered but visual on top this time, looks bad*ss, grungy background like yours could work well)

    https://www.pinterest.ie/pin/613826624193195390/ (another way of laying out text and visual under it, really cool and modern design)

    Good luck!

    Really helpful!! Thanks RBC. I will look at a focus on the text  - over face might work.  Different text might do it.

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #16 on: July 01, 2020, 04:31:19 pm »
    It looks more sci-fi to me and I would have never guessed nonfiction from the cover. I agree that a large title covering most of the cover would work well and I preferred the smaller face.

    Since your book is illustrated by original drawings why not use one or more of those drawings on the cover? They could be mutted or faded, maybe used as a texture.  I'd try toning down the colors and either omit the face or tone down the face and add some of your drawing elements.

    Thanks Cagnes. A drawings from inside could be used after a little manipulation to look like a blueprint. It's a thought.

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #17 on: July 01, 2020, 04:32:22 pm »
    The elephant in the room ... So, Kiwi Joe, you believe in all honesty (IN ALL HONESTY) that you remote viewed nine secret weapons from these world powers and you think its a good idea to release this information to the public for a few dollars? Just wondering how someone goes into writing a "non-fiction" book like this -- are you totally 100% believing in what you are telling the public? Or is this a money-grab for the gullible?

    Are you honestly looking for an answer or just wanting to vent?

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #18 on: July 01, 2020, 04:36:40 pm »
    color needed to be mutated. You may remove the guy and place some other model shot if you would like. Need to work on the title a bit more. Here are sample cover for you, hope this helps.
    https://pin.it/534VR37
    https://pin.it/766E7nb
    https://pin.it/Lqg89uY
    Thanks Creativeparamita. Yes, I agree, the colors aren't quite right yet. They need to come together more. Perhaps more blue filter? I'm edging more to placing words over the face :) A different approach to the title too. Though I like the thick straight lines.

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #19 on: July 01, 2020, 06:43:38 pm »
    Thanks Creativeparamita. Yes, I agree, the colors aren't quite right yet. They need to come together more. Perhaps more blue filter? I'm edging more to placing words over the face :) A different approach to the title too. Though I like the thick straight lines.
    I am sure, you can do it. All the best.

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #20 on: July 03, 2020, 08:55:33 am »
    Really helpful!! Thanks RBC. I will look at a focus on the text  - over face might work.  Different text might do it.

    You're very welcome! Good luck!

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #21 on: July 03, 2020, 09:26:02 am »
    The cover doesn't speak anything to me of serious non-fiction.

    But the bigger problem is I think your title might be the clumsiest entree to a book that I've ever seen.  It wasn't until you described your book in the text of your post that I had the first clue of what you were talking about.  I'd almost certainly give your book a pass just based on that title.  And I'm pretty sure I'm the kind of reader you're targeting.

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    Re: Cover check needed, please
    « Reply #22 on: July 03, 2020, 02:16:56 pm »
    The cover looks like pulp fiction. From the blurb, I take it this is supposed to be like a documentary? If so, that cover is in the completely wrong direction.

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    « Reply #23 on: July 03, 2020, 11:10:29 pm »
    Ye-ah. Pulp fiction is the best way to describe the cover with the face.

    I'm not sure about the titles on the new cover. They are supposed to look like battered metal work not old concrete. A single color with a gradient would work better? I am thinking silver?

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    « Reply #24 on: July 03, 2020, 11:27:31 pm »
    Ye-ah. Pulp fiction is the best way to describe the cover with the face.

    I'm not sure about the titles on the new cover. They are supposed to look like battered metal work not old concrete. A single color with a gradient would work better? I am thinking silver?

    Just a passing thought, but why use the weak qualifier "most?" It doesn't say anything and the title is stronger and cleaner without it.

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