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Writers' Cafe / Re: Who defines kboards now?
« on: September 28, 2018, 07:27:48 pm »
So, a somewhat related question for the mods: If I wanted to leave select posts on this forum under my current user name (while overwriting those I don't wish VS to have rights to), but wanted to continue posting under a new account name and profile, could I do that?

Of course, I wouldn't be posting much going forward, and certainly nothing to do with research, analysis and algorithms. I would still be posting scam warnings, though, and maybe answering a few publishing questions here and there while my knowledge is still relevant.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Who defines kboards now?
« on: September 28, 2018, 07:27:05 pm »
First, I'm quite sad to see Atunah and others posting about feeling unwelcome in the WC. Atunah, especially, has provided some brilliant insights here when she's felt comfortable enough to post. I know I'm not the only one who's paid attention and been rewarded for not discriminating. However, I confess I do get upset with her when she refers to herself as "just a reader." 

As for moderation, usually, imo, members will have very specific issues, not about the Forum Decorum rules in general. Things not allowed that I personally haven't seen challenged much: language (well, some laughs about some of the filter replacements), political discourse, off-topic discussions, harsh and direct attack of an individual. Still, sometimes, it's down to what order of magnitude to allow. I was surprised to see 'god damn' allowed to stay in a recent thread that I know the mods were reading; maybe the occasional use of politics to illustrate a point; how far 'off' is off-topic; what is too harsh; and where's the line regarding direct comments when the person is the business is the brand?

It is, I concede, a fine and difficult balance. I could never be a mod; I'm way too controlling. So I genuinely do appreciate the efforts of the mods here. And while I've been quick to PM them my disagreement with some of their decisions, I hope I've also been supportive of them in others.

Still, sometimes the moderation has me tearing out MY hair. I saw one member who's been here since early 2011 badgered in the comments a couple of months ago by someone who's only registered on this forum to forward a less-than-white-hat agenda. The old-time member knew it, and finally went on a few curt, non-Decorum rants directed to that member. I don't know what punishment the other member incurred, if any, but the old-timer got put on indefinite post moderation. This was someone with over 3600 posts and a fairly recognizable name in the industry who has fought longer and harder and much more publicly than I have against scammers -- from individuals to large corporations -- intent on harming the unaware author. Sadly, the 'indefinite' bit pushed the old-timer away from the forum completely.

Should moderation be fair across all WC members? Yes and no, imo. Yes across all legitimate members. No across those members who are scammers hiding behind their avatars, and who are here only to provoke. The problem, of course, is that the mods don't always know who's who. And sometimes what would be WHOA stuff is brought here as though it's fresh and virgin to this board. Also, as WHDean said, there's often an agenda behind trying to get a thread shut down or a person silenced. I know the mods as their default position want to attribute pure motives to everyone, but that can be damaging on a forum where people are looking for services and practices to bolster their livelihood.

And, just as the mods are human and get things wrong sometimes, so are we. Sometimes we're having a personal bad day. Sometimes we snap under the third or fifth or tenth provocation (and some of those provocations might have happened outside of KB) and go on a rant. Sometimes we try our best to comment decorously, but things escalate over a specific topic or with a specific member. It happens. And sometimes looking at good behavior time already served here (1, 3, 7, whatever months/years of acceptable tone and comments) could maybe better inform punishment.

Pile-ons, too, are in the eye of the beholder. If there are 15 members who had a really bad experience with another forum or a vendor and who are -- let's call it "excited" -- about reporting their experience, is that a pile-on or is that members relating their honest opinions? And don't 15 people expressing the same opinion carry more weight than 2 or 3 expressing theirs? Sometimes different people saying the same thing for pages on end is simply giving everyone a voice here because they want to be heard (plus, there's no Like/Agree button). And that develops a preponderance of opinion. If you limit responses or delete responses to try to be even-handed, you could actually be influencing the conversation -- sometimes in a not-good way.

What I do especially appreciate about the moderation here, though, is that it isn't being done only by authors with their own concerns and agendas. TBH, after giving it hard thought, that's why I won't be registering with any other of the major forums. I've been burned too often by legitimate conversations being shut down by author-owners who had vested interest in not allowing a topic to be discussed or by other bad behavior from the mods and owners.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 21, 2018, 08:46:58 am »
I'm re-reading all my existing posts, so this is very slow going for me. It'll take a few days to go through everything. I replaced the last 4 months' worth to basically reiterate my new siggy verbiage. Stuff before June will get a series of asterisks. I'm not deleting anything because having my siggy show up in various threads will send a message to visitors to those threads.

I'm not overwriting anything that has to do with scamming.

Regretfully, I am overwriting everything that has to do with my research and analysis results. There were a lot of 'firsts' and 'new understandings' shared here that were my own products or the products of a specific team of savvy authors who did a lot of diligent testing and analysis. I shared here for the benefit of the community at large rather than via my own social media network (blog, Twitter or FB page -- pretty much all dead vehicles for years now). I've periodically updated our understandings here as algos changed and as more data became available. A lot of it is still useful and 'in the ballpark.' A lot of it probably needs another thorough testing to see if things that were still are. And a smaller portion is likely too outdated to be useful.

I admit, I had hoped to be able to point to KB for a long time to come and proudly acknowledge the aggregate of my posts here to be my indie legacy. Sadly, I bet on the wrong horse.

My brain understands and accepts everything that entails.

My heart, however, twinges with the loss.

The loss of the expression of my research and analysis work, of the work of the team I was involved with, of the work of others here, of the support received, of the challenges that made both me and my work better, and of the community -- with whom I shared all in hopes that together we would become strong.

Go out, take names and kick butt. Become stronger.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 19, 2018, 10:31:19 am »
I also hope no one is thinking of buying any ad space on the boards now. I know I have created and run banner ads here on a couple of rare occasions. However, the TOS says, in no uncertain terms:

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When you submit a classified ad for publication on the Web Site, you agree that the advertisement as it appears on the Web Site becomes our property and you assign all ownership interest in the advertisement as it appears on the Web Site under copyright law or otherwise to us.

Ownership. Not license. Compare to Facebook's verbiage (since someone pointed their way earlier):

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You own the content you create and share on Facebook and the other Facebook Products you use, and nothing in these Terms takes away the rights you have to your own content. You are free to share your content with anyone else, wherever you want. To provide our services, though, we need you to give us some legal permissions to use that content...

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 19, 2018, 08:32:50 am »
At the parent index level, there's a Privacy Policy update notice from May 26 that does not mention a sale, nor does it mention there's any update to the TOS, nor mention any of the data sharing possibilities implied in the TOS.

The announcement of the sale is not even stickied. And the subject line for it is nothing more than: Changes.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 19, 2018, 08:19:37 am »
All we have to do is quietly pack our bags and leave, or in the case of many on here - remain and see what transpires in the short to medium term.

The problem is that leaving isn't that easy. Here's the boilerplate the mods have shared with me. Please note that, once again, I am not invoking any 'right to be forgotten' policies with my account deletion request; I am protesting the TOS and the right to protect my content and data. Simply walking away and not using the site, as the TOS suggests as being the recourse for not agreeing to the terms, is a ship that, for me, sailed 7.5 years ago. My data is already on this site under less egregious terms. Walking away means I leave it in the hands of VS. Not acceptable.

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We've received your request for your account to be deleted and the site admin has been so advised.

The site admin has advised us to inform members who wish their accounts deleted that the company has 30 days to resolve a GDPR grievance. Posted content needs to be verified of information and does not immediately fall under right to be forgotten. Questions concerning this policy should be directed to [email protected]

If this changes, and we are given the o.k., I will delete your account at that time.

Please also see Becca's post here for other considerations.


As for the lawsuit thread, it's the thread itself that must remain on this site and in its current form. As people delete their posts, some of that information may well be lost. But the thread will not be lost, insomuch as I have ANY control over that.


But here's the problem: Verticalscope changed the TOS without notice and added dangerous features that are not in the normal boilerplate. The new effective date appears to be May 18.

May 18? May I just remind everyone that the official(?) notification of the sale was not posted until August 9:
https://www.kboards.com/index.php?topic=265925.0

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 18, 2018, 07:49:45 pm »
Gah. He can't come on here and say that himself? This kind of cat-and-mouse is really making VS look worse and worse. And mods don't have the permissions needed to delete accounts? No blame to you, Becca. How were you to know?

Becca, do you have any idea if an account deletion by VS is a full delete of everything? Or can I still ensure the lawsuit thread remains onsite? I'm not invoking the right to be forgotten; I'm protesting the TOS and protecting the data and content that's mine to protect. I'm feeling like I'll need to go through a 2-page explanation, and then still wind up with that thread being deleted regardless (which is not an option). Hard to trust someone who doesn't want to do us the courtesy of addressing us directly about this whole issue.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 18, 2018, 10:52:49 am »
I'm the OP on the Christina/RH lawsuit thread. That thread will not disappear because of me. So I'll have to walk back a full wipe, and accept any repercussions that leaving my thread-starts here might leave me open to for the next few weeks or months.

If the new owner backs up all the posts, and our book covers, art and personal info, then it doesn't do any good for us to delete our stuff.
It's already on the new owner's database to sell as he wishes.

That's always been the case. With our consent and continuance on KB under the new TOS, that's legal [ETA: potentially legal -- still some possibility a site wrap like that won't hold up in court]. However, without our consent, it's not legal. People staying and simply deleting old posts are potentially giving consent to use all posts past and present. That's the difference.

Philip from VS has been in communication with the mod team. My understanding is that he's writing up an explanation of the situation to send up the chain to VS's legal department. I hope he'll post here with more details.

I hope we'll get a resolution quickly, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't. If the current TOS was developed by VS's legal department and is applied to all the forums it owns, and if we're asking for something different, surely that's going to require discussion at that company -- and I don't have any sense for how big/well staffed VS is.

Save for Mark, who has broader legal issues to consider regarding the TOS, most of us who are mainly concerned about the TOS verbiage would be willing, I think, to give VS time -- within reason -- to consider a rewrite.

That the rep isn't interacting with the community at large, however, is also problematic. Many folk who actually aren't concerned about the TOS verbiage itself are concerned that VS isn't communicating. On a forum that's dedicated to, you know, communicating.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: KB Targeted Ads Yes/No
« on: September 18, 2018, 08:27:27 am »
I use Ad Blocker, but when I've turned it off for KB lately (while logged in), I'm being served vanity press ads, mixed in with legit author services ads. I've spent years fighting against scams and trying to help educate authors so they won't be taken for a ride by companies not looking out for their best interests. Maybe such ads were being served before, and I just never had cause to turn off Ad Blocker, but those ads are really depressing to see on this site.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 17, 2018, 04:24:38 pm »
Someone else has already grabbed "Phoenix" over on Timothy's forum. That's going to be a brand dilution that I just don't believe is worth it. So sorry, not going there.

I think if we don't hear from VS by end of day tomorrow (Tues), I'll ask for a full wipe from KBoards. I've always shared freely here, but I won't risk someone else commoditizing my research, analysis and observations.

I've also used KB as a platform to "speak" to Amazon reps, knowing they trawl here. Will they begin visiting other fora? Which one(s)? By the time I figure that out, I'll be even further out from the day-to-day biz. Pretty sure it won't be long anyway before I become an anachronism.

So if I leave here, I'll likely not go to another public forum.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Possible work-around for free books on Walmart?
« on: September 17, 2018, 12:11:28 pm »
My two freebies are both appearing on the Walmart site ...

Hmm. I'm on a laptop using Firefox, and when I search directly from walmart.com for "nolander becca mills", I only get your paperback -- and it has "no image available" for the cover. When I search "becca mills" with quotes, only that print title comes up. Without quotes, no book in any format comes up. The print copy is also sold and shipped via a 3rd party: thebookpros.

Tell me if you think this will work. I just spoke to Kobo and they confirmed that Walmart won't list free books. Since I don't want to raise my prices and chance price-matching by Amazon, I was thinking I could price my bundles at $1.99 for each series, and just forget about the free 1st in a series. It should work, right?

Well, that's selling a box set, which is fine. Lots of folk include their free first-in-series in a series box. So, I'm not seeing how it's a 'workaround' for free? Free works because, well, it's free -- an absolutely frictionless way to introduce readers to your books.

If you have a box set that's priced free at other vendors that you want to sell at a price on Walmart, then the question would be whether that's within Walmart's TOS. Kobo has a policy to not have a price offered lower anywhere else, just like Amazon does. So far, they haven't been enforcing that policy. However, if pressed by Walmart -- who doesn't like to be undersold any more than Amazon does -- Kobo may start enforcing that policy.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 15, 2018, 01:54:04 pm »
And don't disagree with them particularly when you know more about the subject than they do. :)

Yeah, that's not going to work. The whole point of a business board is to share real, boots-on-the-ground knowledge. Pretty sure the first time a successful ex-KBer gets "moderated" (told they're wrong about something they're clearly right about) will be the last time they set a boot in that forum, even if they aren't officially banned. It's why I never joined in the first place. Courtesy must extend both ways.

A whole heck of a lot of folk I personally know who actually know something about self-pubbing were banned from there in the early days -- most wear that distinction proudly. I wonder how many bannees would be welcomed back? Or how many would want to go back.

I'm sorry, Phoenix. My mistake.

A quick peek shows at least a couple of Phoenixes over there, so an understandable assumption. Sigh. It's kind of like being a trendsetter for a new trope. Now everyone wants to be a Phoenix. :D

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 15, 2018, 01:05:53 pm »
Phoenix's is here: http://www.selfpublishingforum.com/. I've only popped in thus far, so I can't speak from any personal experience, but I did see some familiar names there. :)

Oops, no, that's not mine. I don't have a site. I mooch off others. Not sure whose that is.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 15, 2018, 10:50:48 am »
I meant that I had previously removed the kBoards affiliate link, and I was gonna be hella p*ssed if VS added their affiliate link to my forum signature.

It's all handled by viglink, and the viglink affiliate code is automatically appended by viglink. I'm assuming it does that the way most link-shortening companies will append their own aff codes if no other aff code is present. So even 'clean' links get tagged, but with any aff money going to viglink, not to VS.

In other words, someone's going to make a profit off of any conversions on any Amazon link posted, whether the poster includes an affiliate code or not.

I also believe it was in the old terms that forum users gave KB the right to append their aff code to any link in any signature. So anyone editing out the KB aff code so that any conversion was directed to viglink rather than KB was in violation of those terms. Just as it was a violation to replace a KB aff code with one of our own.

ETA: This is from the current TOS...

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KBOARDS.COM reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users of KBOARDS.COM, with our own internal tracking. You agree not to post or otherwise make available content that constitutes or contains "affiliate marketing," "link referral code," or "unsolicited commercial advertisement."
 

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Amazon discounting series bundles?
« on: September 15, 2018, 08:15:11 am »
Amazon has been offering series discounts like this for quite awhile now. During our discussions here about ways to exclude box sets from KU to help stem some of the scamming, I brought this up numerous times to demonstrate that Amazon already has the programming in place outside of KDP to still be able to offer series sales without resorting to box sets. Although, it, too, could be ripe for scamming, of course.

The prices all look terrible and they don't immediately indicate how much of a discount you're getting. $6.00? $4.50? $11.72? Not a single one ends in .99 and I don't know if I'm saving $1 or $15. Sad.

If you click through to any you might be interested in, the series page also shows you the series list price and the discount percent. Not showing the savings on the promo page is no different from how Amazon runs all its promos (Daily Deals, Monthly Deals, etc).

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Writers' Cafe / Re: August KU Rate by Country
« on: September 14, 2018, 06:11:37 pm »
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Comment removed to protect content and data from the over-reaching TOS of new forum owner VerticalScope.

VerticalScope claims rights to any content posted to this site as theirs to disseminate beyond this site in any way they see fit.

Read the Terms of Service, both before AND after you've registered. At the time of this post, the new, more egregious TOS is available to read only after you've registered.

KBoards was purchased by VerticalScope 7.5 years and 4000 posts after I joined. VerticalScope will not allow that existing content to be permanently deleted, despite the fact I did not and do not agree to granting the new owners the rights to my content.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: August KU Rate by Country
« on: September 14, 2018, 02:34:36 pm »
Thanks. How do you calculate this number? I realized I've never actually done it myself.

Nick

https://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,265101.msg3691305.html#msg3691305

:)

Does anyone know what the number was August 2017? Oh, and thanks for doing the math:)

https://www.writtenwordmedia.com/2018/07/17/kdp-global-fund-payouts/

:)

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Writers' Cafe / Re: ranking fall formula
« on: September 14, 2018, 01:11:48 pm »
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Comment removed to protect content and data from the over-reaching TOS of new forum owner VerticalScope.

VerticalScope claims rights to any content posted to this site as theirs to disseminate beyond this site in any way they see fit.

Read the Terms of Service, both before AND after you've registered. At the time of this post, the new, more egregious TOS is available to read only after you've registered.

KBoards was purchased by VerticalScope 7.5 years and 4000 posts after I joined. VerticalScope will not allow that existing content to be permanently deleted, despite the fact I did not and do not agree to granting the new owners the rights to my content.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 14, 2018, 12:42:51 pm »
I think if the TOS is rewritten, even this proposed change is too broad:

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You may copy the posted messages for personal use, but redistribution in any way requires the written permission of KBOARDS.COM except as permitted under Fair Use or in relation to your own posts. In consideration of this authorization, you agree that any copy you make of any message(s) located on this web site shall retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained therein.

I've been asked by others here for permission to reproduce some of my KB posts in various formats. There are way too many shady sorts putting out overpriced learning modules re: indie publishing. I would not want KB to have the ability to grant permission to some of these bad actors to include my words and name in any vehicle of theirs as though I'm endorsing their sh- er, stuff. What I might grant KB in relation to the operation of the site is not at all would I would grant to the users of the site in general.

I would suggest "...requires the written permission of the author of the posted message(s) except as permitted under Fair Use."

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Writers' Cafe / Re: ranking fall formula
« on: September 14, 2018, 08:49:35 am »
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VerticalScope claims rights to any content posted to this site as theirs to disseminate beyond this site in any way they see fit.

Read the Terms of Service, both before AND after you've registered. At the time of this post, the new, more egregious TOS is available to read only after you've registered.

KBoards was purchased by VerticalScope 7.5 years and 4000 posts after I joined. VerticalScope will not allow that existing content to be permanently deleted, despite the fact I did not and do not agree to granting the new owners the rights to my content.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: A question for writers thinking about their senior years
« on: September 13, 2018, 08:37:01 pm »
This is a great point and a good direction for this discussion. A trade-published author can expect that from time to time her/his agent or publisher might decide on a push to engage a new generation of readers with authors and titles that were published decades ago. I've seen it happen with both genre and mainstream authors in the past, and obviously backlist is very important to trade publishers. Taylor Caldwell is not out of print, nor is Agatha Christie, and many authors' books from 80 years ago show up on BookBub emails because their publishers are pushing them. ...

The indie landscape is changing, of course, but I built our small press on backlist romances published from 1970-2009. We had a box set of 1980s historical romances that hung in the overall Top 100 for almost 2 months. Across 5 of our authors with older backlist -- mainly historical romance and 1980s/1990s contemporary romance -- we had books frequently hit in the overall Top 100 both Free and Paid on all venues, and hit #1 Free more times than I remember. It could be that we were in the right place at the right time, but we gave away a couple of million backlist freebies and sold nearly a couple of million more, in addition to new work. Although I will agree with you on the old-school Gothic novels. We had 7 of them in our catalog, and they only made a few thousand between them.

Not all of our readers came from BookBub, but a lot did. Those older titles you see advertised on BookBub? Most of those are from Open Road Media, which is one of the dominant backlist publishers in the industry.

It's possible those books are selling on the nostalgia factor alone, and that those readers are older ones who'll soon pass away, and that the older backlist titles from the 70s, 80s and 90s will soon give way to the glut of backlist from the 2000s and 2010s.

As for literary agents moving into literary estate handlers, a number of them were/have/are acting as publishers for their clients already. The NY agent for a couple of our authors started the E-Reads publisher and bookstore for his clients' backlist back in 1999. We negotiated ebook rights from him for our anchor author in 2012, and in return gave him another 5 years of expiring rights to print and audio for 37 books. While we were pubbing the ebook versions, he sold the audiobook versions to Audible. He was also working a deal with Costco for print that ultimately fell through when Costco decided not to publish the classic romance line it had planned.

Had self-pubbing on Amazon not come along when it did, those client-authors would have automatically re-upped their books with E-Reads over and over until they died. And likely their executors would have kept the contract live with whoever was running the agency at the time. In fact, the agent wound up selling E-Reads to Open Road Media. One of our authors whose books we'd subcontracted from E-Reads (and later Open Road) wound up keeping her books with Open Road when our contract expired. Open Road kept the covers we'd put on them, along with the blurbs -- basically the same packaging. Unfortunately, Open Road wasn't as interested in pushing her books as we had been. And while Open Road purchases and runs an absolute ton of advertising, they have an ever-growing catalog, so the lucky books get promoted once a year. Most go multiple years before getting a push.

Advertising is the real strangle point for backlist now as the glut of backlist grows and must compete with a growing front list as well.

I actually don't think most agents are a good fit as in perpetuity or trust managers. While most agencies have the infrastructure in place, most don't know how to sell ebooks. In the right hands, backlist can live -- and live well -- again. In the wrong hands ... well, maybe the adage about having no agent being better than having an incompetent one applies here as well.

What do you do? You put your rights in a literary trust, managed by author friends you trust, to keep your IP available and earning.

JA Konrath's post on literary estates here: https://jakonrath.blogspot.com/2013/11/death-and-self-pubbed-writer.html

Kris Rush has a series on it, all linked here:
https://kriswrites.com/business-rusch-publishing-articles/estate-planning-series/

I was once one of Marion Zimmer Bradley's stable of writers. When she died, her affairs passed into a literary trust that is being actively looked after and that is producing new work, such as new anthologies based on the ones MZB created when she was alive. The trust turned a number of those print anthologies from the 1990s originally published by DAW into ebooks a couple of years ago, and the trickle of royalties increased a bit for all of us.

This is a fairly well-managed trust. But the caveat is that there just aren't going to be that many competent folk out there willing to manage a catalog *and* share out the royalties unless their own share is pretty significant too.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 13, 2018, 04:54:50 pm »
Of course, there's always the site backup and the archives. So, even if you've deleted posts, there's likely still a copy on the backup servers, which now belong to VerticalScope. And if you've changed your name, it's probably still traceable and attributable to your IP address.

The mods once wiped a url from one of my posts. I needed it for reporting purposes and asked one of the mods to retrieve it for me several months later. They were able to with little fuss. Just sayin'...

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Minor rant on bookbub pricing...
« on: September 13, 2018, 07:58:57 am »
Phoenix, I thought you said you retired…

LOL! I did indeed say that here and here. I haven't done any writing or advertising since late March. Causing trouble on KBoards is just a hobby now. ;)

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Qualifying for a bookbub featured deal
« on: September 13, 2018, 07:48:07 am »
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Comment removed to protect content and data from the over-reaching TOS of new forum owner VerticalScope.

VerticalScope claims rights to any content posted to this site as theirs to disseminate beyond this site in any way they see fit.

Read the Terms of Service, both before AND after you've registered. At the time of this post, the new, more egregious TOS is available to read only after you've registered.

KBoards was purchased by VerticalScope 7.5 years and 4000 posts after I joined. VerticalScope will not allow that existing content to be permanently deleted, despite the fact I did not and do not agree to granting the new owners the rights to my content.

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Writers' Cafe / Re: Hamilton Lawsuit, discussion & funding -- merged thread.
« on: September 12, 2018, 01:32:05 pm »
I hope this is okay to post here, but I have a somewhat related question.  How come Rebecca Hamilton's legal name was revealed during this case, but Tara Crescent's real name was able to remain hidden during the Cockygate battle?  Was it only because Rebecca Hamilton is a dba?

The plaintiff did not know Tara Crescent's real name, and Tara was served under her pseudonym. They only had a court hearing on the case. The judge did say then, iirc, that if the case proceeded, discovery would (likely) uncover Tara's real name, and it would be made public as part of the court docs.

RH herself publicly revealed her real name, her address and one of her DBA LLCs (the one which Christina sued) in her first motion to the court. The original suit also revealed her real name and her DBA as part of the court records as the names that were originally served.

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