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And that's fine. You presumably aren't the target audience for romances anyway.

Indeed. Romance as a genre tends to have a lot of sex. My covers do suggest "these books have several sex scenes in them." If you wrote clean romance, you probably wouldn't want sexy nude dudes on them-- it might be a little misleading. But in my case it conveys sexy romance, which is what I'm going for.

My objection to your comments is only the suggestion that people using X type of cover don't seem to you to be showing adequate love and enthusiasm for their own books. I think most people here put a great deal of effort into their writing, and most of them try hard to develop or buy good covers, too. Just because you don't care for a particular cover style doesn't mean it's valueless, or that other readers will interpret it as you do.

I guess I have opened a can of worms, which I should have better kept closed! ^_^

Again, I was just voicing my opinion as a reader, nothing more, nothing less and the way I feel about this special topic. Take it as a feedback from maybe a minority, but it is a feedback nevertheless.

Peter, people are always going to be wary when when someone sets themself up as a cover design, joins the boards, and immediately starts criticising other people's covers.

If you are attempting to sell your services, then putting down how other people do things is not the way to go about it.  Also, as a cover designer you should perhaps be aware of what some of the major cover designers out there are currently doing (such as Hot d*mn Stock - who do plenty of cut-off torso covers) and you ought to be aware that these are working really well for authors whose novels fit that type of romance. 

Joel Friedlander does a monthly cover design awards that looks at various designs out there.  It's worth taking a look at and you might learn a few things. 

That is exactly why I was hesitating to post in this thread, I am posting as a reader, about how I choose, or not,  books. I was not putting down anybody, just stating what makes ME want to look at a book.

If this came over as a way to promote myself, my appologies, I was not, just voicing my opinion as a reader.

And again, this is a genre thing. You're not a romance reader. Romance readers are used to the head-cut-off style of cover, and can easily recognize that style of cover as denoting romance. Not every romance reader loves such covers (lots of us hated the old ubiquitous "clinch" covers too), but plenty of them do like the style. To a romance reader, it doesn't say "the author didn't care about these characters"-- it just says "this is a romance."

May I say, to me that does not look like romance, rather like "We are over with romancing, now let's get dirty!", but that is only my point of view and of no general value.

I'm guessing you don't see a lot of fantasy and SF covers with headless naked guys. It's not the usual cover for the genre, is it?

Luckily not, we have already too many of those bare chested female warriors in chainmail strings and 15 centimeter high-heel overknee boots which are only good for walking the distance from the living to the bedroom (if there are no stairs). ^_^

Why? Did they use the same sort of typography? Ordinarily a thriller is fairly easy to distinguish from a romance-- the fonts and overall look will be different. If you genuinely couldn't tell the difference between the styles, though, then the authors may have additional work to do. An erotic novel, OTOH, may or may not be an erotic romance, so they often have the same sort of covers (my erotic romances don't look that different from my romances).

Yep, and if I use something that isn't romance-like on my covers, then romance readers are less likely to find the books. That doesn't mean they have to be headless naked guys, of course; there are plenty of romance authors here with all sorts of cool covers. But the headless naked guys are a staple of the genre, and don't suggest that there's something innately lazy about my writing, or that I don't love my characters as much as you do. :)

I am not going to argue about what genre readers expect, again I am only stating how I, me personally, feel about a lot of the covers I see.

I was not sure, and I am still not sure If I should post here, but I do it anyway.

As a reader (and I read a lot, 3 - 4 books a week) when browsing books, be it online or in a book shop, I almost always skip books with stock photo covers and especially the ones where the heads are "cut off". The reason is quite simple, I feel, if the author/editor has so little love for the charcters inside the book that a cropped image of a male chest is good enough, chances are that the story is treated the same way.

I am certainly wrong on that, but the fact is that such covers don't make me read the blurb or the sample.

I am a fantasy and SF reader, I want to see on the cover what happens inside the book, show me a fight, the exploration of a strange planet, your orks drinking ale in a tavern

Catch my eye, excite my curiosity!

The other day I was randomly browsing the KB store and I have found the same stock photo used for a romance, a thriller and an erotic novel

Again, purely as a reader I feel mislead!

And don't tell me "Readers don't pay attention to that!", readers do!

First look at the cover, than the blurb, than the sample or Look Inside and if everything turns out right, into the cart.

If the cover fails, the chain of action stops there and for me, and other people I know, it happens often and a lot of good stories are not read.

Just what I think and feel as a reader.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Free Samples - do you download them?
« on: March 02, 2012, 02:53:12 pm »
I am a reader and a snob, I do sample the books before buying, even when buying a hardcopy!

In my favorite book store there are places to sit and read, so I am rarely disappointed when buying a book.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Fantasy cover redo--opinions please
« on: March 01, 2012, 03:01:49 pm »
You are right for the oath, but that is for an oath (or a prayer) to someone else.

I had a look the "product description" of the book, and I have the feeling that this woman would rather make an oath on her blade "Here I stand and nothing will pass as long as my arms can hold a blade!"

Just my interpreation of a book I have not (yet) read. ^_-

Writers' Cafe / Re: Fantasy cover redo--opinions please
« on: March 01, 2012, 02:39:25 pm »
I agree, a leather bikini on a horse must be a pain in the lower back!

Back to your cover, as others have stated, the girl does not look strong and she holds the sword in the wrong way!

When you hold a sword like that, you give it away, you are no longer strong.

Here is a quick image I did, nothing fancy, just a quick "sketch" to show my idea:

Writers' Cafe / Re: Beware! CG art cover within
« on: February 26, 2012, 05:15:32 am »
What Masha said and to add:

What program did you use for the cover? Poser or DS?

The background looks good in the more "cartoonish" style, but the character, due to the rather monochrome lightning, does not stand out as much as he could and the skin has these plastic quality of CG without the right shaders.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Looking for silly, humourous cover artist?
« on: February 24, 2012, 12:33:50 am »
Does something like that looks silly enough?

Writers' Cafe / Re: My new
« on: February 23, 2012, 01:44:44 pm »
I like the cover, but if it is to show the woman in coma or her sister, the person looks rather "manly".

Writers' Cafe / Re: What's your opinion on my new cover design
« on: February 22, 2012, 01:18:10 pm »
Have you tried something like this:

Just a quickie, but maybe a better fitting for your book.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Do erotic short stories sell?
« on: February 21, 2012, 12:39:24 pm »
May I ask a question?

I see that a lot of covers are made from/with stockphotos, is there a reason why nobody uses "hand tailored" computer graphics (by using Poser or DAZ-Studio) to create a cover that really shows a scene from the story inside?

Just curious!

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