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It's not actually legal or ethical to be a fanfic author

Well it's legal in countries that have Fair Use doctrines that aren't being flat out ignored.

And what's really unethical are the current copyright and trademark laws that let people in no way connected to an IP to lock it away from transformative and revolutionizing effect of the public domain.

As to the OP, change the names, tweak the events, insist it's a completely original work to your last breath, then make sure to make it a three part series that drags out the originally self-contained story, or ruthlessly condense a franchise into a trilogy. It's the way of the world today until Disney's  bribery budget runs out.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Cancel Culture cancels a book
« on: March 23, 2019, 09:51:23 pm »
What happened to grit?

We stopped being 13 and serious about it.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Cancel Culture cancels a book
« on: March 12, 2019, 05:44:35 pm »
By the same token, don't announce to the world you're doing a thing if you haven't given any thought to whether that thing you're doing is a good idea OR that you're ready for people to critique what information you've given them.

And if that information is 'I'm socially and/or emotionally tone deaf', people are going to tell you that you're socially and emotionally tone deaf--try to stop being that instead of whining that you exist in a world where there are consequences to your actions.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Cancel Culture cancels a book
« on: March 12, 2019, 06:05:50 am »
Isn't writing to market the holy grail for a lot of people? Isn't this just the market saying a hale and hearty 'NO'?

Maybe writers need to start thinking more responsibly about what they're actually producing instead of acting entitled to just treat every subject like some toy to play with. 'Free Speech' only applies to the government. Consumers can still deal you five across the eyes for being a boor.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Don't Do This To Your Readers...
« on: December 04, 2018, 02:45:18 pm »
People talk about subverting tropes, but before you do, I'd like to direct you to TVtropes to look up Diablis ex Machina.

That's one of the things we're talking about here. IT's just as done and tired a trope as happily ever after and is thus light-years away from the 'originality' that's usually claimed.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Don't Do This To Your Readers...
« on: December 04, 2018, 03:41:16 am »
Step 1: Spend 150+ pages building up a really cool, strong character and making the reader like them.

Step 2: Hang at least three subplots and a romance on them.

Step 3: Have a half-assed second string villain kill them in a humiliating way after they abandoned their love interest to fight them in an equally humiliating way.

Step 4: Ignore those subplots and turn the love interest into a boring sack of sadness.


Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 22, 2018, 08:33:51 pm »
I'm curious as to if the folks weighing in on this would consider the fate of "The Punishers" family to be fridging?

Or is the demarcation line simply a 'throw away' character with no depth that's fridged?

To be fair, Punisher is as far from actual heroes of any stripe as Alpha Centuri is to Bismark.

He's a serial killer who wouldn't be out of place on Criminal Minds and his family's death triggered actual PTSD, not just selfish motivation.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 21, 2018, 08:11:42 am »
My gaming group just had a discussion about the whole 'endangering loved ones as motivation' and something super-interesting emerged:

How much would John McClain be an even better, more bad*ss and moral character in Die Hard if Holly wasn't in the Nakatomi building? Then he would have every reason to want to just get out alive and every opportunity since the bad guys didn't know he was there. But he chooses not to because other people--total strangers--need him.

If a 'hero' needs someone fridged to prompt them to do something that is right and in their power... doens't that make them less heroic?

Imagine if Captain America was totally okay with not being able to go to WWII and punch Hitler until one of the millions of people who were being killed horrifically just happened to be someone he knew.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Has any one noticed the terms of service for KB lately?
« on: September 20, 2018, 03:28:35 am »
I've seen this before, back when Wizards of the Coast changed their TOS to literally this exact same corporate boilerplate.

And the same reality applies here: No one wants our posts. No one is going to make any money from posts from some random forum posts on ANY forum. The problem is that unless you're going to go Something Awful's paygate route and make it so you can't read the forums without registering, some bot somewhere is going to scrape the forum for content and then either put it into an ebook or blog. Then someone will try to sue kboards because of course they would. Thus the butt-covering TOS.

So honestly, if you want to find a place without this, you're going to need to find an amateur site that doesn't know they're just begging to be sued.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 19, 2018, 08:23:04 pm »
How are we ever going to discuss awful tropes without calling them awful?

Is this not the same community that constantly whines about 'scammers' and actively pushes for their banning and loss of profit because they're doing something bad? Can we get a list of the bad things we CAN discourage and the ones we have to coddle?

This is why this toxic trope hasn't died like blackface or yellow peril.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 19, 2018, 03:33:42 am »
Re: Vanessa in Deadpool.

You guys did watch the after credits scene, right?

I was seriously disappointed in the writers for pulling a trick that they're honestly better than, and then in the end it just turns out it's another stupid movie thing they were mocking.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 18, 2018, 02:36:57 pm »
Wow. I can't believe this post hasn't been modded to hell and back. That's a ridiculous comment.

Given the context, keep in mind that the objectification is NOT being treated like a sex object, but as a disposable emotion dump who DIES.

Ladies, do you enjoy dying?

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 16, 2018, 08:06:21 pm »
This thread is become a political diatribe about objectification and toxicity and should be locked forthwith.
I am here to discuss writing/marketing not polemic. When I need to have that conversation I head to Huffington Post and Jezebel.
Thank heavens for C Gold's quality comments, living up to his/her name.
One thought -  some here might be surprised by how many and how often women enjoy being objectified. Testify.

You know, this board is for people who largely hope to sell their books to the public.

Modern public perception of tropes that originated... ahem... from a different time--namely 50s shlock B movies and pulp fiction seems to be the exact thing we really ought to be able to discuss.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 16, 2018, 04:56:37 pm »
Linkara has a good rule for this: Are there still good stories you can tell with this character? If you kill them, will you just replace them with a flatter knockoff version? Did you develop this character for absolutely no reason than to sucker punch the audience or provide motivation that is already readily present? Will killing this character leave subplots unresolvable? Are they honestly the only character in the story you actually bothered to develop (again for the suckpunch)? Is this character the only villain you made that's worth a damn?

If you answered yes to any of these, reconsider killing that character. It can likely only make your work stronger.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 16, 2018, 03:14:16 pm »
The origin of the term doesn't make common usage cease to exist.

Edit: Though it WOULD do everyone some good if writers were forced to learn other types of stakes besides death death death. Like literally any other type of stakes.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 15, 2018, 04:32:24 pm »
Um... 'Mary Sue' has nothing to do with how original a character is, but how the universe in the story treats them as awesome in an unearned fashion.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 15, 2018, 03:58:47 pm »
I mean.. it's this reader, at least. Which one would you rather read? (A) A gripping tale of a cop trying to solve a murder; or (B) A gripping tale of a cop trying to solve his/her lover's murder? Okay, neither one sounds that interesting as is - but if I had to choose I'd definitely go with (B).

Honestly, I am a big fan of competence porn ala Leverage, so I'd rather see someone being good at their job and a cop trying to solve a case they're too close to and making absolutely sure the villain will escape justice OR that they themselves will go to jail for murder is the opposite of that.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Craft: Think again if you plan on "fridging" a character
« on: September 14, 2018, 09:32:20 pm »
It only should be over. It still occasionally creeps out to haunt us. It is not so very long ago that a queer love interest NEVER survived.

Fridging is just a cheap fix for establishing motivation.

The weird thing is that a lot of modern writers are so inured to death as literally the only source of drama that they use this when THERE IS EXISTING MOTIVATION.

A bad*ss monster hunter born and raised to protect the innocent from the things that go bump in the night suddenly can't just want to kill the monsters because they threaten the innocent. No, it has to kill his girlfriend, usually in a vaguely sexualized or overly cruel way so that 'this time it's personal'. Only we never even saw the other times to even know what that's supposed to mean.

A cop can't be concerned with catching a serial killer because HE KEEPS KILLING PEOPLE, so we have to have his wife or kid die. Because cops don't pursue criminals for any other reason than revenge.

It goes even deeper than that though. It's done to get the protagonist lethally motivated. Because in movies evil must be punished and the only punishment some writers know is, again, death.

Death death death death death.

Death is boring.

People try to excuse running it into the ground as it being 'realistic' or artistic or something, but let's face it: the 80's and 90's killed it. It's boring. LRN2DRAMA. God.

Writers' Cafe / Re: for POD
« on: August 29, 2018, 05:41:14 am »
They let you upload multiple formats because their customers are usually gamers who prefer PDFs.

Writers' Cafe / Re: B&N fight
« on: August 28, 2018, 05:56:56 pm »
Whenever someone scoffs at the idea that most CEOs are sociopaths, one steps up to the plate and proves it.

Writers' Cafe / Re: Word Stuffing - KU Tactic or Sign of The Times?
« on: August 20, 2018, 05:41:00 am »
I've noticed this in fanfiction too and it almost always comes from authors who also include note about how they don't think their work is any good and how often they've rewritten the chapter.

It seems to be a product of a lack of confidence; overwriting with the aim to cover up perceived weaknesses.

Writers' Cafe / Re: July 2018 Page Rate - $0.0044936099158692
« on: August 19, 2018, 06:23:46 pm »
Your emphatic declaration doesn't magically turn speculation into fact, especially in the absence of data.

Absence of data as in literally exactly how Amazon has told us it works since KU started?

They expressly said that they would add or subtract from the Global Fund at their own discretion. That's been there the whole time. People just keep ignoring it.

Writers' Cafe / Re: July 2018 Page Rate - $0.0044936099158692
« on: August 18, 2018, 12:16:06 am »
Don't like scammers eating profits? Don't participate in KU. Simple.

Scammers don't eat profits. They never ate profits. They were just a stalking horse to excuse or distract from the fact that the payout month to month is pulled directly from Amazon's collective ass and has nothing to do with what any author, scammer, robot or intelligent shade of blue does.

Writers' Cafe / Re: July 2018 Page Rate - $0.0044936099158692
« on: August 16, 2018, 05:30:24 am »
Pretty much everyone was baying for scammer blood on the premise that they were 'stealing' their piece of the pie.

Now that it's clear that the scammers were just a stalking horse of little to no consequence to writers, well of course no one at all really believed it. We were all just joshing. We all knew the emperor had no clothes, we were just making sure everyone else knew.

So are we finally ready to admit that the payout fluctuations are a conscious choice on the part of Amazon?

Why? Because this ain't Earth plus magic. This is another world with magic, monsters and different local physics.

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