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Sales/Ranking Chart
« on: January 24, 2013, 06:08:53 am »
Just wondering for the sake of wondering, but I found this Sales/Ranking chart online (http://www.theresaragan.com/p/sale-ranking-chart.html) but it was posted about a year ago. For those of you who are at those various points right now, is it still fairly accurate? I just find it interesting, that's all.

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #1 on: January 24, 2013, 06:13:47 am »
    For where my books are, it still seems to be about right. Of course, I'm nowhere near that Top 100 or anything, so I can't speak to that, but I can speak to the 2,000 and up categories. Also, when my most recent book debuted last month, I sold about 450 the first day and my rank surged as high as 184, so that seems to be in line there as well.

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #2 on: January 24, 2013, 09:10:51 am »
    It's still a good ballpark, but it was starting to get a bit conservative before the holidays, and now now it's definitely behind. It takes more sales to hit those ranks now. Maybe something like 20% more. Just a rough estimate.
        

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #3 on: January 24, 2013, 09:24:36 am »
    That could be interpreted in a good way though :) Having a certain rank is more rewarding now than it used to be since you need to sell more.

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 09:51:27 am »
    The 100,000-2,000 seem in line, but past there is leaning hard toward the higher number

    I have a book in this one -->Bestsellers Rank 20 to 65 - selling 650 to 1,100 books a day. Avg rank is 50 and I'm selling about 1200 copies a day. From 200 and up I'd think it leans toward that higher number. I have a few sitting there also (200-500 rank). It's possible that it's leaning toward the higher end b/c its Jan. It might lean toward the low end come Oct.
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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #5 on: January 24, 2013, 09:57:14 am »
    The 100,000-2,000 seem in line, but past there is leaning hard toward the higher number

    Around Christmas I found that the numbers were way off. I had a book that was selling 300+ books per day, which according to this chart should have put me right around the #200 rank, but the best I peaked at was #1400.

    (Now that same book is selling about 1 copy a day. What a difference a month makes!)
     
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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #6 on: January 24, 2013, 10:06:41 am »
    The 100,000-2,000 seem in line, but past there is leaning hard toward the higher number


    I agree. Seems in line with my current sales, but when I had a surge up to ranking #300, it took about 550 books (in a day) to get there.
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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #7 on: January 24, 2013, 10:32:55 am »
    Well, it also takes a bunch more sales to rise to a certain rank than it does to achieve that rank. Last year, I had a book come off a free run ranked #55K. It sold 150/day for the first three days. Ranks:

    #1285 (midnight, first day)
    #682 (midnight, second day)
    #568 (midnight, third day)
    #500 (peak rank, ~11 AM the next day)

    Then it slowed to 100/day for a few more days, settling in at 60-80/day for the next month. With a few spikes and lows, its rank hung very steadily between #900-1300--right around the same rank that first day of 150 sales kicked it up to. I think that chart is mostly the number of sales to maintain a given rank, not to achieve it in the first place, meaning the sales numbers will be a lot lower (50%-ish?) than if you're looking at a one-day boost.
        

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #8 on: January 24, 2013, 12:05:10 pm »
    There should be enough of his here to crowdsource this. I've copied Theresa Ragan's chart below, only tweaking the presentation.


    #1 to #5 = 3,500+ books a day (sometimes a lot more).
    #5 to #10 = 2,000 to 3,500 books a day.
    #10 to #20 = 1,100 to 2,000+ books a day.
    #20 to #65 = 650 to 1,100 books a day.
    #65 to #80 = 550 to 650 books a day.
    #80 to #200 = 300 to 550 books a day.
    #200 to #1000 = 100 to 300 books a day.
    #1,000 to #2,000 = 55 to 100 books a day.
    #2,000 to #3,500 = 30 to 55 books a day.
    #3,500 to #8,500 = 10 to 30 books a day.
    #8,500 to #40,000 = 1 to 10 books a day.
    #40,000 to 100,000 = close to 1 book a day.
    #100,000+ = less than one a day.


    We know for sure that it takes more sales to hit those ranks now, and we should be able to fill in the blanks between us. Keep in mind what Ed said above: it takes many more sales to hit a rank than to hold it (as the algos factor in some recent sales).

    For the purposes of accuracy, it might be best to post numbers for a rank you have held over a period of a few days, rather than one you briefly attained.

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #9 on: January 24, 2013, 12:23:12 pm »
    This question is only vaguely related, so please forgive me.  There do not seem to be any rankings on the apple ibook store, or am I missing something?  In other words, if a new (permafree in this case) book has just shown up on Apple, via Smashwords, is there any way to see a ranking that might give one a clue how it's doing?
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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #10 on: January 24, 2013, 12:37:04 pm »
    Yeah, it's slightly off. I've got two books that are selling on average 40 books a day this entire month. My ranks range from about 3500 to 4500.
    The chart has that listed between #2,000 to #3,500 = 30 to 55 books a day.

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #11 on: January 24, 2013, 12:47:42 pm »
    I've had a couple of sticky books in the last few weeks, so here are my best shots at "sustenance" numbers:

    #5000 - selling 20-25 copies a day
    #4000 - selling ~30 copies a day
    #3000 - selling 40-45 copies a day
    #2000 - selling 50-55 copies a day
    #500 - selling 170-190 copies a day

    My lower ranked books are too volatile to get any useful information out of them, although I'd be happy to send you my daily log if you want to try, DG or Ed.

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #12 on: January 24, 2013, 12:57:53 pm »
    Okay. We're getting somewhere. The entries in bold have been updated. The rest are the older estimates that need updating. Fill in where you can peeps, and remember we're looking for instances where you held a rank over a few days, rather than a brief sortie.

    RANK = SALES

    #1 to #5 = 3,500+ books a day (sometimes a lot more).
    #5 to #10 = 2,000-3,500 books a day.
    #10 to #20 = 1,100-2,000+
    #20 to #65 = 650-1,100
    #65 to #80 = 550-650
    #80 to #200 = 300-550
    #200 to #1000 = 100-300
    #500 = 170-190
    #2000 = 50-55
    #3000 = 40-45
    #4000 = 30
    #5000 = 20-25

    #3,500 to #8,500 = 10-30
    #8,500 to #40,000 = 1-10
    #40,000 to 100,000 = close to 1 book a day.
    #100,000+ = less than one a day.

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #13 on: January 24, 2013, 01:13:17 pm »
    Fill in where you can peeps, and remember we're looking for instances where you held a rank over a few days, rather than a brief sortie.

    How long is a few days? Three days? A week? Three weeks? What?

    Anyhow, all I can add is that I sold between 175-321 books a day during the December 25-28 range (321 on Christmas Day itself) and never got higher than 1400-ish that I noticed and can recall. I admit I wasn't checking my rank every second since it was Christmas and I had out-of-town guests. Then it started dropping off rather steadily from there -- basically hit a wall during which it went from 175 one day to 22 the next, then each day whittled another book off it until that book was down to 1 copy per day currently.
     
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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #14 on: January 24, 2013, 01:22:35 pm »
    Around Christmas I found that the numbers were way off. I had a book that was selling 300+ books per day, which according to this chart should have put me right around the #200 rank, but the best I peaked at was #1400.

    (Now that same book is selling about 1 copy a day. What a difference a month makes!)

    Yes, they were definitely skewed around Christmas just because of the sheer volume of books being sold. I had a Christmas release and is sold about 1500 copies in one day, but it only reached a ranking of around #124. This week I sold 2800 hundred copies in one day and I ended up at #13. It definitely fluctuates.

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    « Reply #15 on: January 24, 2013, 02:12:00 pm »
    Yes, they were definitely skewed around Christmas just because of the sheer volume of books being sold.
    Yep. The ranking chart wasn't at all accurate that week.
     
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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #16 on: January 24, 2013, 07:44:15 pm »
    I have several books that have been hanging out in the 7,000-8,000 rank for about a week and on average, that has taken about 16 sales per day each to stay at that rank. I had a couple of days previously where the number of sales on one book dipped down to 11 and my rank dropped to 12,000.

    I can also confirm that in order to stay in the 3,000 range, my 6th book is averaging about 45 sales a day. Earlier in the month, I was holding around 1500-1800 sales rank and it was taking approx. 65 sales a day to stay there. Hope this helps.

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #17 on: January 24, 2013, 08:02:53 pm »
    I've found this Sales Rank Calculator to be a useful app. Not official, but it matches up with my reports fairly accurately.

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    « Reply #18 on: January 24, 2013, 08:35:21 pm »
    That calculator is using the exact same data in the chart that I linked. >.<

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #19 on: January 25, 2013, 05:36:54 am »
    How long is a few days? Three days? A week? Three weeks? What?

    I think three days is sufficient, if you discount the first day's numbers (as you need more to reach a rank than to hold it). Here's where we are now (we need some help at the lower ranks, which is tricky because they are more volatile). I'll try and come up with some estimates once NovelRank is back online later.

    The entries in bold have been updated. The rest are the older estimates that need updating. Fill in where you can peeps, and remember we're looking for instances where you held a rank over a few days, rather than a brief sortie.

    RANK = SALES

    #1 to #5 = 3,500+ books a day (sometimes a lot more).
    #5 to #10 = 2,000-3,500 books a day.
    #10 to #20 = 1,100-2,000+
    #20 to #65 = 650-1,100
    #65 to #80 = 550-650
    #80 to #200 = 300-550
    #200 to #1000 = 100-300
    #500 = 170-190
    #2000 = 50-55
    #3000 = 40-45
    #4000 = 30
    #5000 = 20-25
    #7500 = 16

    #8,500 to #40,000 = 1-10
    #40,000 to 100,000 = close to 1 book a day.
    #100,000+ = less than one a day.

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #20 on: January 25, 2013, 12:38:44 pm »
    10/day seems to be good for ~#12K. 5/day will get you around ~#25K, maybe a little better.
        

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    Re: Sales/Ranking Chart
    « Reply #21 on: January 25, 2013, 12:47:31 pm »
    #100,000+ = less than one a day.

    Not that I love accounting for a book further out, but the categories extend further. I'm tracking a book that has sustained sales at roughly 1.5 copies a day and it is at #139000. Lots more books out there since this chart was first made.


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    « Reply #22 on: January 25, 2013, 01:41:46 pm »
    It took about 20% more sales to maintain at the higher ranks in the week before Christmas up until about Jan 6. This is why I believe Kindle Store volume was up 20% on average during the Christmas season.

    For a more normalized count a little further out from Christmas, for the week ending Jan 15, it took 750-850 sales to maintain a rank between #80 and #90.
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    « Reply #23 on: January 28, 2013, 03:10:24 am »
    Thanks to everyone who has contributed numbers/estimates. This is what we have so far:

    The entries in bold have been updated. The rest are the older estimates that need updating. Fill in where you can peeps, and remember we're looking for instances where you held a rank over a few days, rather than a brief sortie.

    RANK = SALES

    #1 to #5 = 3,500+ books a day (sometimes a lot more).
    #5 to #10 = 2,000-3,500 books a day.
    #10 to #20 = 1,100-2,000+
    #20 to #65 = 650-1,100
    #80 = 850
    #90 = 750
    #500 = 180
    #2000 = 50-55
    #3000 = 40-45
    #4000 = 30
    #5000 = 20-25
    #7500 = 16
    #12000 = 10
    #25000 = 5
    #40000 = 3 (a rough guess)

    #40,000 to 100,000 = close to 1 book a day.
    #100,000+ = less than one a day.
    « Last Edit: January 28, 2013, 07:18:46 am by dgaughran »

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    « Reply #24 on: January 28, 2013, 04:07:35 am »
    One of my books was selling 9-12 a day and I couldn't seem to get higher than 16000 last week.  ::) I guess the problem is that half of those sales get reported all together at one point of the day, then the rest later, so my rank drops in between. Then again, two days ago my reporting died or something because it didn't show me any sales on any of my books. Today it seems fixed, but two of my books that show 9 sales have different ranking, one is 18k and other is 23k. I gave up on understanding how this works.  ;D
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