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Lucas030 said:
Is there also a way to advertise our CreateSpace books? I've seen some sponsored ads of CS books on Amazon but I don't know how we can do this!? Any idea?
I should think if the ad takes people to the Amazon product page, it will find your CS book alongside it.
 
1. I think the way to get your book on Page 1 of another book with low CPC is to find the top TP HNR in your genre. Usually these books are ranked very high and may even be in Pre-order. They do not have a string of Sponsored Products on their page yet. If you go with something that's big and out there for a while, it'll be more competitive.

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I'm lost...what does "top TP HNR" mean?
 
FMH said:
1. I think the way to get your book on Page 1 of another book with low CPC is to find the top TP HNR in your genre. Usually these books are ranked very high and may even be in Pre-order. They do not have a string of Sponsored Products on their page yet. If you go with something that's big and out there for a while, it'll be more competitive.

I'm lost...what does "top TP HNR" mean?
HNR is definitely hot new release. From context, I'd say TP means traditionally published.
 
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Will try to answer a bunch of questions in one post:

LS MAY:

Does anyone know if you can delete a keyword? I can pause them, sure, but I have one I put on the wrong book by mistake, and another couple that just aren't doing anything (fewer than 10 impressions in over a week.) It would be nice to just get rid of them.
Pauline's right, you can't. I tried too. You can start a new campaign with a set of new Keywords. What I do is type them up in Word, then copy and paste them over to a new campaign. But right now I'm pausing because I'm nowhere near their 1000 max keywords.

Doglover:

Ok, I had never noticed these sponsored ads so I had a look at one of my popular product pages which is set in 16th century England. The sponsored book below is about the underground railway for runaway slaves! Very topical I must say. I hope you are all getting more relevant pages than that.
It doesn't matter what Sponsored Products are on my page. The important thing is my book is the Sponsored Product on the page of a currently hot selling book. There are many authors who seem to be using mishmash of keywords and so, while getting themselves in a great spot (i.e. Sponsored Product) on page 1 of a hot selling book, the hot selling book is not in their genre and the audience are all wrong for the ad. It's annoying for us because we have to compete with these irrelevant books. (eg. You write regency romance, you try to get on a page of another similar book, but you're competing with a sci-fi space opera, and God only knows why the author of the sci-fi space opera wanted to get on this page.)

Locker 17:

This is confusing. It says I need to create an account but then it says I need to log into my amazon account of which I'm already logged into. Ugh. Then I find the promotion page and its all stuff for select. My book is not in it. At the time I published my one book I put it everywhere. I don't want to take it down from other places I just want to give it mojo while I work to get a couple of others out.

Also I dabbled in pay per click back (for non book products) in the days when websites didn't punish you for being a little guy. It was so confusing. All thise double talk about impressions, and click throughs...ugh get to the point.
I think you're doing something wrong. This is very easy to set up. When i log on to KDP, I'm automatically logged into AMS and CS too. You can also set up the ad from KDP. just go to your bookshelf, click on the "Promote and Advertise" tab. If you have this ad option, it'll be there. It's got nothing to do with Select. It's a different kind of ad. If it's not there, then Amazon hasn't offered this ad option to you. You can do the other one probably (the bigger ad on the right side of book pages).

Lucas:

Is there also a way to advertise our CreateSpace books? I've seen some sponsored ads of CS books on Amazon but I don't know how we can do this!? Any idea?
I don't think you set it up from the CS site. But like Doglover said, if you have the ebook as a Sponsored Product, it'll take people to your book's page and they can buy whatever format they want.

FMH:

I'm lost...what does "top TP HNR" mean?
Trad Pub Hot New Release
 
My ad was rejected, is it because my cover has a male chest on it?...I thought someone said something about that not being allowed now.

Edit: yep, just read the e-mail. That really sucks.
 
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Jerri Kay Lincoln said:
I am extremely happy with the results I've had with these ads. I only show one purchase, but I know I've had many plus a number of page reads. And I have all my click prices high while I still have the hundred dollar starter money they gave me.

And remember . . . in this advertising, you can use author names and book titles. I have gotten a lot of clicks from those.
ok I am too. I had one confirmed purchase yesterday but the sales report said 8 total yesterday including sell-throughs (highest yet during this campaign period). Not getting much mileage for KU reads though. The results may still be visibility of my book in the Histfic promo page but I'm starting to doubt it because like I said, I'm not participating in that promo this month. I think the results are from visibility with the sponsored ads.

I'm so jealous you got the $100 starter money they gave you! That said, my spending in the last few days is only around $2.60, and my total sales during this period more than made up for it.

I already did my big promo push earlier this month, and I don't have time to get into FB yet, so this is still a good way to keep my book and induce sell through and maintain rankings, without me having to do much.

OTOH, this is really prawns comparing to what the FB folks are doing. The ones who do FB well spend over $100 a day. It's a big investment (with a much bigger return). Also, their ads can be seen all the time, not just when people happen to be browsing and looking for books on Amazon, so there's that.
 
I've just set up my first Amazon Sponsored Products ad; it's currently in review, going on 24 hours now. I'm nervous about it making it through because the cover shows a couple in a clinch and the text is a review quote that mentions 'erotic'. I've got alternative copy ready to go but there's nothing I can do about the cover, which of course was approved by Amazon.

What I really like about this so far is both the ease of set-up and the much better targeting than what's available on Facebook. I've really struggled with ads there and although I've gotten to the point where it's  much easier now, I'd like a better alternative. The relative lack of targeting options on FB is a big drawback. Plus I have to figure that while people are on FB for all sorts of reasons, if someone is on an Amazon book page, they're looking to read.

Big thanks to everyone here who's been providing both info and inspiration. It's greatly appreciated!

 
AlexaKang said:
Not sure if this is "the" formula, but:

1. I think the way to get your book on Page 1 of another book with low CPC is to find the top TP HNR in your genre. Usually these books are ranked very high and may even be in Pre-order. They do not have a string of Sponsored Products on their page yet. If you go with something that's big and out there for a while, it'll be more competitive.
Alexa,
I'm playing around with these ads and am wondering, how do you target specific books on the HNR list? With the sponsored products you can only use keywords I think? Is there a way to specifically choose a book or author?
 
PamelaKelley said:
Alexa,
I'm playing around with these ads and am wondering, how do you target specific books on the HNR list? With the sponsored products you can only use keywords I think? Is there a way to specifically choose a book or author?
No there is no way. That only applies to the other sort of ads and I cannot find a way to use the ads at all unless the book is in select.
 
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PamelaKelley said:
Alexa,
I'm playing around with these ads and am wondering, how do you target specific books on the HNR list? With the sponsored products you can only use keywords I think? Is there a way to specifically choose a book or author?
Pamela, the KDP keyword rules from TOS do not apply to Sponsored Products. Just type in the author's name and book title as your keywords for the page of the HNR book where you want your ad to be shown.

For example, you can use as a keyword:

Jojo Moyes Me Before You
 
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josielitton said:
I've just set up my first Amazon Sponsored Products ad; it's currently in review, going on 24 hours now. I'm nervous about it making it through because the cover shows a couple in a clinch and the text is a review quote that mentions 'erotic'. I've got alternative copy ready to go but there's nothing I can do about the cover, which of course was approved by Amazon.

What I really like about this so far is both the ease of set-up and the much better targeting than what's available on Facebook. I've really struggled with ads there and although I've gotten to the point where it's much easier now, I'd like a better alternative. The relative lack of targeting options on FB is a big drawback. Plus I have to figure that while people are on FB for all sorts of reasons, if someone is on an Amazon book page, they're looking to read.

Big thanks to everyone here who's been providing both info and inspiration. It's greatly appreciated!
Good luck Josie!

Yes, from what I'm seeing in Mark Dawson's group, FB is great once you have your answers figured out. But until then, it can sink your wallet. I did a $1 a day boost post for 2 seven-day campaign just to give it a try. Of course FB maxed out the maximum and I was out $17. No big whoop as learning experience. But other than getting tons of random "likes", I don't think i sold anything. Granted, I wasn't doing what Mark said and was just trying it out, it was so easy to burn money on FB even when I only limited my budget to $1 per day. In contrast to the Sponsored Products, Amazon only charges a tiny fraction of my daily budget in exchange for thousands of impressions, plus some sales.

I do have plans to give FB a try in a few months after I finish my series, but until then, I'm happy with this.

A separate note to Doglover -- I don't know if this option is a limited offering only to books that are in Select. My books had been in Select since the beginning but for months, I wasn't given this ad option. So being in Select didn't guarantee you can advertise this way either. I don't know what voodoo Amazon uses to decide who to offer the option to, or who to give that $100 free clicks to (they didn't give it to me, dang it.)
 
AlexaKang said:
Pamela, the KDP keyword rules from TOS do not apply to Sponsored Products. Just type in the author's name and book title as your keywords for the page of the HNR book where you want your ad to be shown.

For example, you can use as a keyword:

Jojo Moyes Me Before You
Awesome. Thank you! I thought I had to choose from the suggested keywords. :)
 
I've been running Sponsored Product ads for two of my books for the last 3 weeks and am very pleased. Both ads are earning more than they cost me (advertising cost of sales below 100%). One of the ads took longer to reach that milestone than the other because in the beginning I had a number of keywords that it became clear after about a week just weren't paying off. I paused those and the remaining keywords chugged along until they finally pushed the ad into positive territory.

I had tried FB ads and the older version of Amazon ads before, but found them useless. Sponsored Products, on the other hand, is awesome. I was able to get an older book that had long since fallen out of the top 100 in its genre back onto that list for several days, and without having to reduce the price! Plus, I love the assurance of seeing that yes, the ad is leading to real sales. As long as the ads stay in positive territory, I will keep running them.
 
I hadn't paid much attention to the concept of the sponsored products ad, since I lumped it in with the same style of ad as FB ads or 'regular' Amazon ads.  But...  am I correct in inferring that with sponsored ads, I can link my book's ad to show up on the page of certain other amazon products--even if not books?  For example, if I have a character who drinks lots of, say, Minute Maid juice, I can target people who buy Minute Maid juice on Amazon?  For me, that could be very, very handy.  (No, not the juice thing, but I have other tie-ins that could be pivotal.  8) )  Cool.  Now I need to add this to my To-Do list. 
 
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MMacLeod said:
I've been running Sponsored Product ads for two of my books for the last 3 weeks and am very pleased. Both ads are earning more than they cost me (advertising cost of sales below 100%). One of the ads took longer to reach that milestone than the other because in the beginning I had a number of keywords that it became clear after about a week just weren't paying off. I paused those and the remaining keywords chugged along until they finally pushed the ad into positive territory.

I had tried FB ads and the older version of Amazon ads before, but found them useless. Sponsored Products, on the other hand, is awesome. I was able to get an older book that had long since fallen out of the top 100 in its genre back onto that list for several days, and without having to reduce the price! Plus, I love the assurance of seeing that yes, the ad is leading to real sales. As long as the ads stay in positive territory, I will keep running them.
It looks to me that, aside from our own keyword choices, Amazon runs some kind of Algo to push your advertised book toward specific pages, and not on some other pages that you want to get on. It really seems to me that, even though these are ads, Amazon is setting them up as another way to recommend books that the Algo has determined to be the right kind of audience. So it's a 2-way win for Amazon. Besides the Also-Boughts, they can now also let authors and publishers run campaigns where they could recommend more books to the right audience, and thereby sell more books.

I'm having a hard time figuring out what makes the Algo tick right now, and TBH i'm not the techy type of person who could figure this out. I hope someone who is will join this thread and offer some insights. Meanwhile, I'm going to trust the Amazon Algo and push and pause keywords based on how Amazon is showing the book. This part is quite confusing to me.
 
In my case, I only used the suggested keywords that Amazon gave me as opposed to trying to use my own, but within that I still found some were paying off and some were not. For example, one of my books is a lesbian romance that is very story driven, and not at all steamy erotica. The keyword "lesbian" yielded lots of clicks, but no sales- so I'm guessing that most people searching for that were expecting something else.
 
AlexaKang said:
Locker 17:

I think you're doing something wrong. This is very easy to set up. When i log on to KDP, I'm automatically logged into AMS and CS too. You can also set up the ad from KDP. just go to your bookshelf, click on the "Promote and Advertise" tab. If you have this ad option, it'll be there. It's got nothing to do with Select. It's a different kind of ad. If it's not there, then Amazon hasn't offered this ad option to you. You can do the other one probably (the bigger ad on the right side of book pages).
Thanks for confirming this has nothing to do with KU / Select.

Could you please take a quick screen shot of the "Promote and Advertise" tab? I'm not seeing it but perhaps I'm looking over it.

If I wouldn't have the option in KDP yet, would singing up here work? https://services.amazon.com/services/sponsored-products-overview.htm

Thanks so much!
 
MajesticMonkey said:
Thanks for confirming this has nothing to do with KU / Select.

Could you please take a quick screen shot of the "Promote and Advertise" tab? I'm not seeing it but perhaps I'm looking over it.

If I wouldn't have the option in KDP yet, would singing up here work? https://services.amazon.com/services/sponsored-products-overview.htm

Thanks so much!
Far as I can tell, the only time I see Promote and Advertise button is on the right-hand side of the Bookshelf, under Book Actions... for the books I have in Select. It's the same button that says "Enroll in KDP Select" for non-Select books. So that may be an answer to your question. ???
 
AlexaKang said:
I thought I'd start this thread for those of us using this for advertising. This is the "Sponsored Products" below the "Customers Also Bought", NOT the bigger Amazon Ad on the right side of the book's page. I'm distinguishing these two because Amazon's requirements and probably therefore results are different for the 2 types of ads, and it's often confusing which one people are talking about.

So I tried out my first one a few weeks ago. I set the daily budget at $1 and ran it for 6 days for the 1st book in my series. I feel like it was a really good investment. I spent less than 30 cents and sold a few books, and got thousands of impressions. I don't know if it's a fluke though. I ran a second campaign with my 2nd in the series (yes I know, I know, you're not supposed to promote the later books in your series, but this is not like other promos, but more like Also-boughts, and I wanted to test the reactions to another book cover). That one yielded no sales, but the click costs was so low, it was still worth the impressions I thought. I'm running another 6 days on the 1st in my series again, adding more keywords, to see what happens. The ad campaign started yesterday.

What I like about these are:

1. They are very easy to set up, and given that I'm very busy right now, it's a quick way to do a promo.
2. The ad runs through many days, so even though you don't get a 1 day spike with tail, it keeps your book out there. I know of so few ways to do that besides FB, but FB can easily run your wallet to the ground. This one costs very little so far.
3. It's cheap. If you even sell one book, your ROI comes back like a hundred fold.
4. The minimum $1 per day limit. It helps you not to spend more than you can afford. And anyway, I'm pretty happy with the actual cost per click they charged. We're talking about a few cents, like 3 cents per click.

What I am confused about -- I don't understand how the CPC works. Amazon recommends 50cents. I set it to 10 cents - 30cents depending on whether I want to bid for a particular keyword. But does anyone know how they ultimately decide to charge per click? The cost of the clicks I have to pay came nowhere near my chosen bid (a good thing, but I would like to know how it all works.)

Anyway, i've been wanting to do these ads for a long time and I wasn't offered this choice by Amazon 2 months ago. I'm very glad they let me do this now. i don't want to do the other ad (the one on the right side of a book's page) for a number of reasons.

If anyone else is playing ball, share your thoughts, info, or whatever here. :)
My "sponsored ads" option says the ad will appear below search results. Does this mean my ads won't appear below the "also bought" section? I also have an option for "product display ads." Looks like it's the bigger box on the right side of the screen. That seems cool. I am really eager to try out amazon advertising so I am glad this thread popped up :)
 
AlexaKang said:
A separate note to Doglover -- I don't know if this option is a limited offering only to books that are in Select. My books had been in Select since the beginning but for months, I wasn't given this ad option. So being in Select didn't guarantee you can advertise this way either. I don't know what voodoo Amazon uses to decide who to offer the option to, or who to give that $100 free clicks to (they didn't give it to me, dang it.)
To clarify - you can ONLY get the sponsored ads on books that are in KDP Select. For a while, Amazon was testing it out and only some people had access to it, but now it's universal IF you're in Select. I find it needs a lot of tinkering with to hit the sweet spot, and (like all these pay-per-click types of ads) if you get things wrong it's a very quick way to burn through the budget.

The free $100 seemed to be offered for a while to anyone who dabbled with setting up an ad but then backed out. If you went ahead and set the ad up, there was no freebie. :(
 
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