The thrust of your query is somewhat insulting to those who have five star reviews. You imply by your "how do these 5 star reviews continue to exist" that these people have not earned a genuine rating. This is not so.James_Alexander said:
The thrust of your query is somewhat insulting to those who have five star reviews. You imply by your "how do these 5 star reviews continue to exist" that these people have not earned a genuine rating. This is not so.James_Alexander said:OK, so I'm going to show off my "newbie-ness" - that's a new word I just made up, and throw it out there. How is it that when looking at other writer's books, they have a slew of 5 star reviews? Granted, some may be deserved, but honestly, when facing the realities of so many readers out there picking up books for free, there is no way to get all 5 stars. Stephen King has haters out there that post 1 star reviews.
What I don't understand is, Amazon is going through and removing what they decide are fictitious reviews. How do these all 5 star reviews continue to exist? I've had legitimate reviews taken away from me and it seems the only thing that sticks are the negative reviews.
So for all the seasoned veterans out there - please help a new author gain some insight on reviews. Are there any legitimate reviewing communities out there that I am unaware of? Or do I need to do some elaborate dance and pray to the heavens above?
The reality I'm facing is that in order to move any books, I need at least 5, 5 star reviews. The minute I get a 3 star, and 3 stars is decent, I know, it brings down the rating enough that no site would ever feature me.
Nobody understands Amazon's policies and algorithms, not even Amazon in some cases. They remove reviews for a number of reasons, one criterion is perceived contact between the reviewer and the writer. They can base that on something that is innocent, such as using the same IP address - perhaps the same WiFi at a cafe or a campus. They certainly don't allocate staff to read and assess each review, it is done by using a computer algorithm. Also, when they find a reviewer who is "suspect" they don't just remove the suspect review, they remove all of that reviewers reviews, many probably quite genuine. For instance, if someone edits a book and gives that book a good review, once noticed, all that person's reviews of all books will be removed.James_Alexander said:Hi there DarkScribe. I appreciate your opinion, but I do think you misinterpreted my question. If you may have missed, I did state that there are plenty of 5 star books out there that deserve all 5 star ratings. However, the point I was trying to make was that even seasoned writers have plenty of low stars to complement their portfolio of reviews. There are simply a lot of folks out there that may get the book for free or even buy the book that may not enjoy it. Whether it be outside of their preferred genre or they simply did not like the style. So there is that difference of opinion I do have with you that if a book has 25 5 star reviews, I do find it questionable. My last statement was a question based on Amazon's recent stance on reviews. Legitimate reviews were taken away from me. I don't understand what the method is, and when faced with other books out there that have all 5 star reviews of 25 or more, it doesn't make much sense. In order to garner 25 reviews, the book has to be downloaded many times, at least that's my experience. My book was downloaded 3000 times during a free drive and I received about 3 or 4 reviews from it. So based on that ratio, a 25 review count book would have been downloaded approximately 8000 times. That's a LOT of people that all had to thoroughly love the book. Sorry if you found my question offensive as it really is not my intent, but I do hope to gain some insight on the process of reviews.
I hear you. I was running a search on writers in my genre/subculture (South Asian) and I found books with 46 reviews; 40 reviews were 5 star, the rest were 4 star. This seemed suspect to me, given that not a single reviewer found fault with the book. But the trick to testing genuine reviews is that they come from "Amazon Verified Purchases." In that particular writer's case, hardly one review was from a purchased copy (could be the mom), the rest of the reviewers said that they got the book for free. However, since none of them gave less than 4 stars to the book, it seemed a tad off. As you said, and I concur, that even the seasoned best writers have critics, and when a budding indie has a ton of glowing reviews from free giveaways, I have my doubts.James_Alexander said:OK, so I'm going to show off my "newbie-ness" - that's a new word I just made up, and throw it out there. How is it that when looking at other writer's books, they have a slew of 5 star reviews? Granted, some may be deserved, but honestly, when facing the realities of so many readers out there picking up books for free, there is no way to get all 5 stars. Stephen King has haters out there that post 1 star reviews.
What I don't understand is, Amazon is going through and removing what they decide are fictitious reviews. How do these all 5 star reviews continue to exist? I've had legitimate reviews taken away from me and it seems the only thing that sticks are the negative reviews.
So for all the seasoned veterans out there - please help a new author gain some insight on reviews. Are there any legitimate reviewing communities out there that I am unaware of? Or do I need to do some elaborate dance and pray to the heavens above?
The reality I'm facing is that in order to move any books, I need at least 5, 5 star reviews. The minute I get a 3 star, and 3 stars is decent, I know, it brings down the rating enough that no site would ever feature me.
James, you're actually putting your finger on how some of us get lot of reviews: at the moment, my book has 26 5-star reviews; it's been downloaded more than 33,000 times. You get a (decent) book in the hands of that many people, you're going to get a few dozen who love it and feel moved to tell others.James_Alexander said:I don't understand what the method is, and when faced with other books out there that have all 5 star reviews of 25 or more, it doesn't make much sense. In order to garner 25 reviews, the book has to be downloaded many times, at least that's my experience. My book was downloaded 3000 times during a free drive and I received about 3 or 4 reviews from it. So based on that ratio, a 25 review count book would have been downloaded approximately 8000 times. That's a LOT of people that all had to thoroughly love the book.
You need to be careful with this tactic, BUT if you have some local writing communities, meetups, etc then you can give out some cheap "print and staple" copies of your book to everyone there. Don't ask for anything, just give them out to anyone who wants one.James_Alexander said:OK, so I'm going to show off my "newbie-ness" - that's a new word I just made up, and throw it out there. How is it that when looking at other writer's books, they have a slew of 5 star reviews? Granted, some may be deserved, but honestly, when facing the realities of so many readers out there picking up books for free, there is no way to get all 5 stars. Stephen King has haters out there that post 1 star reviews.
What I don't understand is, Amazon is going through and removing what they decide are fictitious reviews. How do these all 5 star reviews continue to exist? I've had legitimate reviews taken away from me and it seems the only thing that sticks are the negative reviews.
So for all the seasoned veterans out there - please help a new author gain some insight on reviews. Are there any legitimate reviewing communities out there that I am unaware of? Or do I need to do some elaborate dance and pray to the heavens above?
The reality I'm facing is that in order to move any books, I need at least 5, 5 star reviews. The minute I get a 3 star, and 3 stars is decent, I know, it brings down the rating enough that no site would ever feature me.