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Some friends of mine are all upset about an apparently new amazon.com policy which classifies all books with GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender) content as "adult," and thus not included in sales rankings, even if the book is not actually "adult," (for example - a book about a high school kid worried about getting a prom date is obviously not "adult," but if the kid is gay and worried about getting a prom date, suddenly it is "adult?" And a Jackie Collins novel - not "adult"???)

What do you all think?

here is the information:
http://markprobst.livejournal.com/15293.html

I'm getting upset because my friends want me to boycott amazon :(
 

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webhill said:
Some friends of mine are all upset about an apparently new amazon.com policy which classifies all books with GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender) content as "adult," and thus not included in sales rankings, even if the book is not actually "adult," (for example - a book about a high school kid worried about getting a prom date is obviously not "adult," but if the kid is gay and worried about getting a prom date, suddenly it is "adult?" And a Jackie Collins novel - not "adult"???)

What do you all think?

here is the information:
http://markprobst.livejournal.com/15293.html

I'm getting upset because my friends want me to boycott amazon :(
Oh man, Amazon made a huge mistake. Huge. Hopefully they will reverse this stupid policy.
 

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Ann in Arlington said:
Doesn't really matter what your friends want. You get to decide what you want.
Well, yes, of course :)
But we do try to support each other's causes when we can, without doing anything to violate our own morals or ethics.
This particular situation, well - I'm just not sure. I think Amazon needs to fix their indexing of "adult" material. I have a very hard time imagining that Amazon actually INTENDS to classify anything with a GLBT theme of any sort as "adult." I am curious what others think.
 

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Fair enough. . . .just didn't want you jumping off a cliff (figuratively, of course) because all your friends did. :)

I'm not a boycotter. . . . just don't think they work unless they are truly massive.  Because unless they KNOW there's a boycott on and it affects their bottom line, it won't make a difference.  A better course would be to contact Amazon with your concerns. 

Just my opinion, of course. . . . .you don't need to do what I say either!  :D

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Amazon has made a decision to hide and remove the ranks and sales figures for books with what they deem to be adult content. This is affecting a lot of popular authors who write either erotica or erotic romances, such as Jaci Burton, Maya Banks, Larissa Ione and Stephanie Tyler, but it's even more wide-spread than that. There seems to be an issue in particular with GLBT lit, even when there's not graphic sexual content -- for instance Annie Proulx's Brokeback Mountain. which I think most of us know to have literary and social value.

The effect will almost undoubtedly be reduced sales for these authors, because they will no longer show up through simple searches.

Here is the beginning of a list of authors and books: http://community.livejournal.com/meta_writer/11992.html

If any of these books or authors have touched or entertained you. If the concept of what Amazon is doing offends you, please consider making your voices heard. Obviously, there is contacting Amazon. The other option being explored is GoogleBombing by sharing this link and with Amazon Fail as the anchor text: Amazon Rank

Other links that might be of use:
A site with a name I can't quite share here :)

Dear Author

Do we really want, as adults, to have a harder time finding books? Is it really Amazon's business to censor searches or to not report accurate sale's figures? Are gay and transgender books extra "dirty" somehow?
 

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I didn't see this and also posted about it, with some links on it. I believe it will be merged into this one. I can't even believe this and they've come up with one of a short list of things that might lose me as a customer. This is a huge deal for me. I'm not much of a boycotter either, but I'm not feeling comfortable purchasing from them at this exact second.
 

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Wouldn't delete. . . .was gonna merge but I can't merge to that thread as it's in another board I've not got mod authority in.  But don't be alarmed if it does get moved down there and merged at some point. . . . . . . . .or maybe it won't.  :D

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I guess I don't see/understand the problem.  The books are still offered for sale aren't they?
 

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I just merged the two similar threads, and they're in Let's Talk Kindle.

I am quite curious as to what would have triggered this decision from Amazon. Were they getting complaints about GLBT books showing up in sales ranking results?
 

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Forster said:
I guess I don't see/understand the problem. The books are still offered for sale aren't they?
I think the issue is that they're automatically categorizing a book as 'adult' if it has even a mild level of 'gay' theme. Since they don't let those books be 'ranked', authors don't have accurate data for what they sell, and their books won't necessarily show up in 'popular now' type lists. At the same time, they don't categorize some authors that many consider 'soft porn' as 'adult'. So there is a disconnect there. . . .

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Forster said:
I guess I don't see/understand the problem. The books are still offered for sale aren't they?
It affects search results dramatically. If a book you are searching for has a gay main character, it won't come up in the search where it should. It will come up below books not deemed adult, even if it is the ONLY book that is an exact match for the title you searched for.
 

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MonaSW said:
It affects search results dramatically. If a book you are searching for has a gay main character, it won't come up in the search where it should. It will come up below books not deemed adult, even if it is the ONLY book that is an exact match for the title you searched for.
Ahh, I didn't realize it affected the search results, that's more of a problem for me.
 

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So I assume that Laurell K. Hamilton's books will now be listed as adult? Especially the last several have at least mention of m/m in them. But I guess that would be to much to expect. Can't have a NYT's Best Selling Author unlisted.
 

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webhill said:
Some friends of mine are all upset about an apparently new amazon.com policy which classifies all books with GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender) content as "adult," and thus not included in sales rankings, even if the book is not actually "adult," (for example - a book about a high school kid worried about getting a prom date is obviously not "adult," but if the kid is gay and worried about getting a prom date, suddenly it is "adult?" And a Jackie Collins novel - not "adult"???)
Are you sure about this? I have several writer friends who write books that are openly gay/lesbian and their books are still ranked as they always have been.
 
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