Been there, got the T-shirt. Plenty of things to disparage Amazon for, however, without dissing the *people* who have expectations of its algos. Besides, if generic-you doesn't "believe" in algos (that they play any appreciable role in a book's success), then why should a little rank-stripping put you out of sorts?LilyBLily said:I imagine she's not feeling in a mood to appreciate anything to do with Amazon at the moment.
Showing at 5 in the free list AND book page for me.MaryMcDonald said:I am seeing your book at #5 right now, but only on the free list, not on your book's page. Maybe it's coming back?
I don't disagree with this at all.PhoenixS said:Who ever equated algorithms with magic? Companies spend serious money creating and tweaking their algorithms. Interestingly, I too can pinpoint cause-and-algo-effect for our 1.5M+ sales (and I've managed promos for trad-pubbed, award-winning USAT and NYT authors who've written beloved books that have stood the test of time). The same algos that track rank drive current and future visibility. Generic-you can optimize the algo-effect with a great cover, a hooky blurb and a solid story -- of course. Just as algos can optimize word-of-mouth for a good book. One doesn't preclude the other, however; they can work together or individually.
But magic? No. Who's thinking that? Amazon (as well as Nook, iBooks, Google Play and Kobo, btw, just to a lesser extent) *does* market books via its algos. That's demonstrable and replicable. I'm a bit surprised a SF writer doesn't appreciate the science behind marketing and sales.
I did. But, as I said, KDP is just part of a big company that just rolls on like a huge ship and takes forever to change course. You cannot expect them to take notice of this.TimothyEllis said:Patty, did you notify KDP of the pending BB? Just wondering
Then make noise to the other channels to provide more tools to improve discoverability. Make noise to them to drop the curated placements. When I can make more from KU in a month than I make on all other platforms combined due to lack of discoverability on those other platforms, then I have a financial decision to make. As much as I hate being exclusive to one channel and as much as I would love to go wide, I can't pay my bills with good intentions.Seneca42 said:Let's put aside I don't think anyone is denigrating anyone
That said, just on point of fact, the two camps are not equal in terms of industry impact. KU authors are commodifying (ie. driving down margins) for the industry as a whole. Wide authors are not (although I guess one could argue that the permafree authors are; but realistically they are only permafreeing one or two books max, so their impact is negligible).
I 100% agree that everyone should do what is best for them. But at the same time, if in doing so you (and others) are contributing to the erosion and instability of the industry, driving down pricing power for authors in the aggregate, empowering zon to become a monopolistic powerhouse, etc. - you should at least understand those who have an issue with that (not with YOU, but with the general trend of kowtowing to zon)... even if, and though, they nonetheless respect your right to do whatever you feel like (and most probably understand why authors feel they have no choice but to play the game the way zon tells them to).
Why are you making this about you?Perry Constantine said:
But if you think telling exclusive authors that they're contributing to the erosion of the industry and accusing them of having Stockholm Syndrome will win you any converts, you're barking up the wrong tree.
Thanks for the reminder of why I don't come here as often as I used to.HSh said:Why are you making this about you?
If you want to have a wide vs. KU debate why not start another thread? It's a topic we're almost all interested in and will probably continue to be interested in.
This thread is specifically about Patty having a BB deal de-ranked by Amazon. Yes, there are some not-positive feelings towards Amazon in this thread.
Stockholm Syndrome might be a strong terms, but so is the term that was popular for a long time: Amazon Derangement Syndrome. ADS. We're authors. We like to use lots of descriptive words.
Find another thread that's more pro-KU or stop looking for reasons to be offended.
Lord knows we're not all in lockstep here at KBoards and you'll find many people who agree with you.
I don't see people "barking" at your tree specifically or trying to convert you!
There have always been authors who have declared Amazon's system unknowable, and there have always been those who have been working away and figuring it out and putting that knowledge to work.Patty Jansen said:What I do disagree with is the ultimate level of importance a lot of writers ascribe to the "Amazon magic" (i.e. its unseen recommendation engine). The only time it becomes important is when your book goes sticky. And no one really knows how to do that.