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*Updated March 24/25*

Gorgeous new premades from deviantart designer, Kalosysart :)



(Main site launching early April :))

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Book Covers Market is a place for designers to upload their premades and portfolios :)
At the moment, we have the beta sites up and running - homepage: http://bookcoversmarket.com and listings site: http://listings.bookcoversmarket.com and (new) portfolios site: http://portfolios.bookcoversmarket.com

What is the site for?
It's to have a central place to promote book covers designers and their designs.
We don't sell covers ourselves.
We will have separate domains for premades and portfolios (as many designers do not do premades) The portfolios site is coming next is here.
I thought of doing this last July when I was running about the internet looking for a designer to do the new covers for Dollhouse - and ended up searching Amazon book listings to see if covers that I liked had a designer credited.
We (my friend Tim and I) started putting ideas and the coding together last year and are days away from close to completion now.

If you're a book designer and would like to write an article for the site, we'll include you in a special book designers feature: http://bookcoversmarket.com/designers-form/
 

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It's a great idea - and the site is looking good.  I'll keeping my eye on it, and as soon as I have some extra premades I'll give it a go!
 

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Thanks J.Bridger & C.C :) :)

C.C, designers can upload 8 pre-made book covers for free - for the purpose of promoting themselves and their covers. We don't sell the covers or make any money from them. And if a designer sells a particular cover, the designer can return to the site and simply delete it or mark it sold.
Authors & publishers can sign up for alerts on any genres of their choice, and will be emailed alerts of new covers :)

Jesr - please do! We'll be promoting the sites heavily once they have enough covers on display.
 

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I think it's a great idea.  And I really don't think anyone would begrudge you charging a couple of percent commission, particularly if the site too off.
 

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Seems to be working for me. It's a great idea! I hoard premade covers for stories I haven't yet finished, or that inspire me for a new one :)
 

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It looks fabulous!

Is this just for premade book cover designers, or all book cover designers? I just wanted to confirm because the gallery (or port folio area? Not sure) has $0 next to it which leads me to the impression these covers will be for sale at some time.

Also, what happens after 3 months of the blue membership advertising? Do the folio pieces disappear and you have to upload them again? Or is this moreso a beta free membership where I may have to consider membership fees after 3 months?
 

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So far so good. The "For your eBooks and print.." on the main page is too low and gets cut off at the bottom. The links to the listing by designers doesn't work. I assume you haven't hooked that up yet.
 

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Thanks all :)

@ HeadofWords - nice to think people wouldn't begrudge us :) and I know most of the book sites operate on commission, but we're definitely not going to go that way and are not going to sell the covers ourselves.

@ Annette - lol at your hoarding book covers. i hope you soon have stories for them all!

@ Karl - thanks!

@ Scarlett - a great set of questions!
Book Covers Market will encompass the whole book covers market. The listings site will just be for pre-mades.
We are currently testing a site for book cover portfolios where designers can showcase their best previous work and it will operate differently to the pre-mades site. Our emphasis is on making designers and their work as discoverable as possible by clients - and there's a number of ways we're going to do that.
We'll be screening all covers before accepting them for publication on the sites - and we have a set of criteria for designers whose work we'll accept.
Yes there are prices for the pre-mades. Designers are free to place whatever price they want on their pre-made covers. We won't be selling covers ourselves and this won't change in the future. (If designers want us to sell any of their designs down the track, we *may* place a few for sale in the sidebars, but it is unlikely we will want to do that.)
There will be no prices on the folio site.
The sites are in beta as we are still testing. We will be keeping the upload numbers per designer relatively small as we check server load and how search functions. We're putting some of the server load onto the cloud, so the sites should handle everything well.
The folio items will not disappear after 3 months but will stay as they are. With the pre-mades, we do want the option to purge if they have been marked as sold by the designer. We may consider a  very small membership fee far down the track, but the current (blue) membership will remain free and all uploaded items will remain (unless the designer themselves deletes them.) But the projected model is sidebar advertising (I have handled advertising on a large media site in the recent past.)
(By the way, am very impressed with your designer website! :) )

@ vrabinic - yes the homepage is basically a mockup at the moment. There's quite a few things I need to fix there :)
 

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I'd love to know if anyone has suggestions for our sites - is there anything else they need?
Is anything confusing?

We'll be promoting these sites heavily after launch, and want everything as ready as possible :)
 

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I'm putting together portfolios for the site and there's one thing I find a little frustrating -- the narrow genres. I design in all genres, from horror to paranormal romance to literary to mystery to non-fiction. I know that most authors are looking in a particular genre when browsing for a cover, but a lot of designers don't stick to a single genre, so I know it's a hard balance to get right. I guess what I'm saying is that while I find it frustrating, I'm not sure what the solution is. :)

(I think I'm going to lump horror in with suspense/thriller/mystery, and then lump paranormal/romance-y/women's fiction together -- at least for now.)
 

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Hi Keri

That was something we thought long about. Some designers specialise in high fantasy or romance or horror or typography or illustrated covers etc, and some do almost everything :)
We wanted authors to be able to quickly find a portfolio of designs that match their genre. Rather than something a bit messy, we were hoping for something targeted that would entice cover buyers to a designer's website.
New covers can be uploaded to a portfolio at any time :)
 

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The design needs work. A lot of work.

  • A new logo is in order, your current one being a multi-coloured disco ball, ie, nothing to do with books or markets, far as I understand.
  • You don't have a footer. Or an About page. Or a Contact Us page. These are basic things pretty much every website should have.
  • The dark banner that houses the logo on the home page. It takes up wayyy too much space. In fact, it's not even that it takes up so much space, it's that it fails to do anything interesting with the space.
  • There are loads of other things, but maybe I'm just in a bad mood.

If you did the design yourself and have never created a website before, then what you have is not too shabby, and can definitely be improved on.
 

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thebookcoverdesigner said:
The design needs work. A lot of work.

  • A new logo is in order, your current one being a multi-coloured disco ball, ie, nothing to do with books or markets, far as I understand.
  • You don't have a footer. Or an About page. Or a Contact Us page. These are basic things pretty much every website should have.
  • The dark banner that houses the logo on the home page. It takes up wayyy too much space. In fact, it's not even that it takes up so much space, it's that it fails to do anything interesting with the space.
  • There are loads of other things. Some niggling, some less so.

If you did the design yourself and have never created a website before, then what you have is not too shabby, and can definitely be improved on.
Thanks for your input. I will tell you that we're getting a different response from designers who see the websites. What I was asking for is input on functions and things people would like to see to make the site work better for them. Mentions of site design would be coming under unsolicited advice.

1. What do people take to a market? A bag! The graphic is composed of small book-cover-shaped rectangles, symbolising a market bag of book covers. :)
2. We have footers and about pages and contact pages :) We're still pre-launch and may decide to add these to the splash (home) page as well.
3. People who saw the homepage design previously know that this space is for a video. (As above, we're still pre-launch ;) )
4. I can't comment on that :)
 

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One of my infrequent posts on Book Covers Market  ;D
Tim, who approves all book covers postings and manages the Pinterest, Facebook & Twitter for the sites, will be taking over all promo for BCM. He also works full-time, so launch will be in April.
I'm merely standing back, impressed by the quality of the covers being uploaded, whilst going nose to the old grindstone trying to get my third book completed. :)
 

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Anya,

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Keri Knutson said:
I'm putting together portfolios for the site and there's one thing I find a little frustrating -- the narrow genres. I design in all genres, from horror to paranormal romance to literary to mystery to non-fiction. I know that most authors are looking in a particular genre when browsing for a cover, but a lot of designers don't stick to a single genre, so I know it's a hard balance to get right. I guess what I'm saying is that while I find it frustrating, I'm not sure what the solution is. :)

(I think I'm going to lump horror in with suspense/thriller/mystery, and then lump paranormal/romance-y/women's fiction together -- at least for now.)
This was my concern as well. I do a lot of different genres and while it might not hurt for me to put 4 romances, 2 mysteries, a horror and a thriller together in one portfolio I run the risk of false advertising for those books. I'm not sure that one of my authors would appreciate finding her [email protected] killer listed in my portfolio under romance ... The few extra eyeballs I gain is not really worth the risk of losing a valued customer over.

One thing that could help is offering 1 portfolio for each designer instead of 2 and instead of having the portfolio listed under a specific genre just have a section inside their portfolios that mentions what genres they will work with. You could even have them say their most popular or top three if you really wanted it narrowed down.

I also found the genre category for premades a little tough to work with. I know you'll never please everyone and are probably doing an excellent job as is, but I really missed a paranormal or paranormal romance and a western slot. On the other hand, I wouldn't have minded thriller/horror being combined (which is what I'm used to seeing). I also feel like you might only need one out of the general and misc categories. They pretty much seem like the same thing to me.

If you wanted to streamline the process for designers, I would tweak the flow of your signup. I had to do it once for the portfolio and once for the premades, which is fine if I had understood that was how the process worked. Your how-to didn't state that so I spent a bit of time wondering why I couldn't get any premades listed. It just seemed like every time I went to the premade listings it would sign me out and I would try to sign back in and it wouldn't take my login. Finally, I realized I had signup for the portfolio AND then signup for the premades as well even though they both seem to be covered by the blue membership. Who knows; maybe it was just user error. ;)

What I loved about the site: freshest premades to the top. This is excellent for customers and designers. People will not scroll past the old to find the new, so this is great. I also found your customer reassurances spot on. You let people know exactly what they are getting - professional with a website, satisfied past customers, clearly stated terms and conditions, and premades that will only be sold once.

I love that you don't "hold my money for me" as the authors still buy directly from the designers. Anything else would be a deal breaker for me. I can't imagine how badly that would slow the process down, not to mention the risks involved.

Covers were added quickly, and the layout is awesome.
 
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