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Many thanks to all of you. And your opinions are welcome.


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This is the cover I have for my SF Thriller (a new series titled Erelong). I think the designer did beautiful work here but I'm about to lock it in and find myself wondering about possible changes to lift it that bit more.

This is all about the titles. Which of these two is best?

If neither versions please you then is there a tweak you could suggest to improve the titles?

Maybe the relative size of the titles in each, or the title style or colour? A splash of red in the main title perhaps? (It would be in keeping with the story content)

For me a possible issue may be title placement.

I would hate to find a simple relocation on the cover would have given it just that more impact.

Call it version [A]



Call it version [B ]



Thank you to all who reply in advance.
 

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Neither produces a strong preference for me. I'll note that the two line version of the title shows the J lining up with the sun and that is, very slightly, more appealing to me. It seems to lead the eye toward the center of the image.
 

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I like the second one better, though I think it's mostly the slightly increase in space between the title and the margins. It just seems a bit more balanced to me.
 

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Another one here who likes the second version best.
 

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I also like the second one better.  The title has more impact and feels less crowded.  Better use of the negative space.  I agree that having the J touch the sun in the second one helps the visual flow.

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Second one is slightly better, but neither cover screams "Sci-fi" or "Thriller" to me. If you're set on the image, perhaps experiment with a more unique font to get a different tone?
 

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Another vote for the second one.

Also, can't stop thinking how this could look with some more contrast, a bit more punch. You could darken the sky more, maybe change the title color to white, and even still increase its size a little. The cover doesn't exactly look SF thriller to me just yet. Another thing is the lake, how would it look if you'd drop one of the texts down there (author name, A SF Thriller -text etc? :)
 

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Sorry to be a pain, but this cover doesn't say sci-fi thriller to me, I'd have an extra think about ways to make it fit the genre better.
 

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T.J. Lantz said:
Second one is slightly better, but neither cover screams "Sci-fi" or "Thriller" to me. If you're set on the image, perhaps experiment with a more unique font to get a different tone?
yeah, if you're going to use this pic, then a different font style might help get across the genre more.
 

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The second one, but I echo the sentiment that it doesn't feel like a Sci-Fi thriller. I think having "Erelong" and "a Sci-Fi Thriller" crowd it a little too. Best of luck with the book!
 

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Thanks everyone.

This was a pre made cover. So I don't know what I can ask for from the designer. I am willing to pay for changes of course.

T.J. Lantz said:
Second one is slightly better, but neither cover screams "Sci-fi" or "Thriller" to me. If you're set on the image, perhaps experiment with a more unique font to get a different tone?
Yes. It should 'scream' both Sci-Fi and thriller. But then again the story is set on planet Earth, before, during, and after great change... So we're talking dystopia / post apocalypse (of a sort).

Could you tell me what kind of font would carry this to you? Better still a link to a book with the kind of font you think I should be looking at? I PM'd you.

Hasse Mori said:
Also, can't stop thinking how this could look with some more contrast, a bit more punch. You could darken the sky more, maybe change the title color to white, and even still increase its size a little. The cover doesn't exactly look SF thriller to me just yet. Another thing is the lake, how would it look if you'd drop one of the texts down there (author name, A SF Thriller -text etc? :)
Hmmm. Dropping the 'Sci Fi thriller' title down there, or the Erelong down on the lake seems a good idea.

I was thinking also of a red reflected light in the 'Jubilee Year', not all of it just one portion. I wonder whether that would lift things to another level.

Matthew Stott said:
Sorry to be a pain, but this cover doesn't say sci-fi thriller to me, I'd have an extra think about ways to make it fit the genre better.
Not a pain at all. This is what I need, a clear indication of where it works or not. I think the font change is necessary also.

If anyone knows of a kind of font that would look better could you send a link (from Amazon etc) of any example book cover?
 

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Steven McKinnon said:
The second one, but I echo the sentiment that it doesn't feel like a Sci-Fi thriller. I think having "Erelong" and "a Sci-Fi Thriller" crowd it a little too. Best of luck with the book!
Erelong is the series title. I was thinking of numbering it from the second book, coming out later in the year.

Hmm, it has to feel like a Sci-Fi thriller, so I will definitely have to change something. I think it's possible to get it across with the font. Maybe doing something with the 'Jubilee Year'?

I am also thinking tilting the title at about 10-20 degrees along with the author's name below at the same angle. Where 'Erelong' would stay where it is and how is.
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I like the second one better with the title on 2 lines - it pops more - draws me in - and offers more contrast to the other words that run linear. 
My first thought upon seeing the cover though was that it does not seem real sci-fi.
Best of luck with the book!
 

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baldricko said:
Erelong is the series title. I was thinking of numbering it from the second book, coming out later in the year.

Hmm, it has to feel like a Sci-Fi thriller, so I will definitely have to change something. I think it's possible to get it across with the font. Maybe doing something with the 'Jubilee Year'?

I am also thinking tilting the title at about 10-20 degrees along with the author's name below at the same angle. Where 'Erelong' would stay where it is and how is.
I'd hate to make a blanket-statement about what gives a cover a sci-fi feel or what fonts to use since it really depends on the setting it takes place in and the general story. I.e., there's a different aesthetic for a dinosaur sci-fi thriller compared to, say, a modern alien or futuristic cyborg one. Could you give us a rough idea of the story?

Also, not many books can pull off that tilt without looking strange. Good luck if you try it out.
 

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chrisanthropic said:
I like the second one better, though I think it's mostly the slightly increase in space between the title and the margins. It just seems a bit more balanced to me.
You have quite a few books out, and with excellent covers. Could you suggest anything I can do with the font to improve it more?

I want to get back to the designer tomorrow and have this finalised. I know the title font is not working well as is. It doesn't say at a glance this is Sci-Fi Thriller, which is too bad.
 

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Leroy Henry said:
I like the second one better with the title on 2 lines - it pops more - draws me in - and offers more contrast to the other words that run linear.
My first thought upon seeing the cover though was that it does not seem real sci-fi.
Best of luck with the book!
Thanks Leroy. That is really appreciated. I'm not sure what constitutes 'real sic-fi'. It's a pretty wide field, but I see your point. I think I can make this cover really stand work for me (and I do like it) by making changes to the font and placement. I'll put the new version up once I find a solution I can live with.

Holland d'Haas said:
I'd hate to make a blanket-statement about what gives a cover a sci-fi feel or what fonts to use since it really depends on the setting it takes place in and the general story. I.e., there's a different aesthetic for a dinosaur sci-fi thriller compared to, say, a modern alien or futuristic cyborg one. Could you give us a rough idea of the story?

Also, not many books can pull off that tilt without looking strange. Good luck if you try it out.
Yes. You could be right about the tilt. That would make for a kind of 1930's 'Amazing Stories' type comic cover, isn't it? Not quite right for my story.

I initially planned this series for the NA audience. It became a bit more hard edged as I wrote, things change, but I think it still fits in the NA fiction marketplace.

Here's a sample blurb for my book. This is a draft of the blurb to be used only. Too wordy as is of course. Here it is:

They surround the Earth with clouds, to hide from the populations what will inevitably become obvious. What must be hidden for now cannot be hidden for ever. But like every grand reveal timing is critical.

Scientists are coerced into maintaining the secret. Those who would divulge to the masses are eliminated.

The edifice of the world has been built to hide a reality mankind has not been ready to face until now. But the intruder from outside our world means everything must change.

An eighteen year old boy and his eleven year old sister face an uncertain future in a time of great uncertainty and deception. Their world is tipped upside down when the truth can be hidden no longer.

The first of three books about tomorrow.
 

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In that case, I can make some quick recommendations writer-to-writer. Designers, feel free to scold and correct :)

The font is actually not bad for sci-fi with the right colors. If you want to keep the picture how it is and just change the font, I would suggest going for something a little tech-y and edgy. One of the examples at the bottom of the post has a similar type of font (Heavy Data). Here is a site that has a bunch of free commercial use sci-fi fonts to use that you can file through to send to the designer:

(broken link, copy/paste the whole url) : http://www.dafont.com/theme.php?cat=303&text=Jubilee+Year&l[]=10&l[]=1

The washed out landscape you're using now is really more common to fantasy and rural slice-of-life works. If you're willing to adjust the picture, I'd first ask if the designer will help it look more sci-fi with a few filters. If not, or if the price is too much, it's really not hard to do on your own. Put the final image you get into an editor like Pixlr. High contrast/saturation is popularly used in sci-fi covers, and it may be easier for readers to associate the cover with sci-fi that way. Using a green tint is often associated with darker alien / invasion type stories (the scratch blurb makes that sound like your niche). Again, you can do this with the final image even if the typography is already on. I have some quick and easy examples of these at the bottom of the post.

Beyond the sci-fi, I personally think the cover seems kind of awkward and unbalanced. The title of the series is so far from the book title, it looks like a second author name to me. If the actual author name could be put up top, the main items brought down to the middle, and the series title put above the main one in smaller text (preferably with a colon or "book one" after to separate it), I think it would come together and bring a lot of balance to the cover. I added a quick example of this below as well. --But if it's not cost efficient to get the layout reworked, don't worry about it; it looks like a decent cover even without those edits.

Some examples of what I meant (original for comparison, then the effect versions, then an ugly font idea, then the layout idea):
 

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Holland d'Haas said:
Beyond the sci-fi, I personally think the cover seems kind of awkward and unbalanced. The title of the series is so far from the book title, it looks like a second author name to me. If the actual author name could be put up top, the main items brought down to the middle, and the series title put above the main one in smaller text (preferably with a colon or "book one" after to separate it), I think it would come together and bring a lot of balance to the cover. I added a quick example of this below as well. --But if it's not cost efficient to get the layout reworked, don't worry about it; it looks like a decent cover even without those edits.
Wow! Outstanding effort. I'm not sure how you did all of that from the pic I posted above but you've given me a bit to think about. I like the last example you did best. The author's name may go to the bottom too. This is what I am considering now, along with the setting the title's together in the centre as you have it.

It isn't going to be cost efficient for me to change the background pic. Although still considering requesting the designer for a more contrasty look.

I made a change to the blurb, replacing 'invader' with 'intruder' and altering the sentence to reflect better my intention there.
 

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baldricko said:
Wow! Outstanding effort. I'm not sure how you did all of that from the pic I posted above but you've given me a bit to think about. I like the last example you did best.

The author's name may go to the bottom too. This is what I am considering now, alone with the title's set together in the centre as you have it.

It isn't going to be cost efficient for me to change the background pic. Although still considering requesting it be made more contrasty.

I made a change to the blurb, replacing 'invader' with 'intruder' and altering the sentence to reflect better my intention there.
It was magic. (I kid.) Really, if you ever have the time, play around with that Pixlr link. The learning curve isn't bad and will help a lot with this sorta thing.

I'm glad you got some inspiration! And if the designer can fit the author name at the bottom, I say go for it. Hopefully they'll be willing to play around with the contrast and colors for you.

Good luck with your book. :3
 
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