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So over at goodreads.com I posted at the SciFi and Fantasy Book Club that LoTR was now available in the Kindle format. Now I have this guy going off about "DRM infected" and saying some stuff about Kindles and DRM that is just not true. I know I should stop posting, but I hate the idea of other people reading it and thinking what he is saying is true.

Thread is here:
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/133419-lotr-now-available-for-kindle

I swear there sometimes need to be a power outage just to get me to let something go. I know it's a fault of mine. Having different goals or needs, fine no problem. Saying things I perceive to be wrong, drives me nuts. Yes I realize posting over here isn't really letting it go, but it's making me feel better to acknowledge I'm being a stubborn little redhead (out of my husband's hearing). My friend Ann coined the term (bad word warning)
threadfuck
to refer to two people hijacking a thread to bash it out. That would be this.

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Well Lara, as with religion and politics, no amount of arguing is going to change the mind of a person who is not open to considering other points of view. You said your piece quite elegantly and got bashed in return. Time to ignore the flamers over there.

Having spent a good many years online now, I try to avoid that kind of poster like mad. We all know what we have and you did your best to educate those who read those other boards. Trust in the public. If they are interested in a Kindle, chances are they are intelligent enough to read up on the issue and not take the word of a couple of anti-everything-DRM posters on a single forum. :)

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This reminds me of a cartoon I saw recently that showed a man sitting in front of his computer with his wife in the doorway in her nightgown looking annoyed.  He said "I can't go to bed right now!  Someone is wrong on the internet!"

Then there is the saying:  "Arguing over the internet is like running a race in the Special Olympics.  Even if you win, you are still retarded."

Sorry if that last one offends anyone.  It is not meant to.


There are some anti-DRM freaks all over anything that seems like it has any kind of DRM involved and they are very vocal.  Lots of great computer games have very low scores on amazon.com because these people have made it their life's goal to yell about DRM and will give bad reviews to something they have never even bought.  I don't even take them seriously anymore as I believe they are the ones that cause companies to apply DRM because of their pirating practices.  They don't want DRM because they want to be able to "share" with everyone.
 

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I would just respond with. "Okay, that's very interesting. I'll be over in the corner enjoying my Kindle."

Living well, enjoying your Kindle, is the best revenge. :D
 

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I see Kindle-bashing every time The Consumerist posts something about the Kindle, much of which is flat-out incorrect and coming from people who have never so much as seen a Kindle, much less used or owned one. I have to grit my teeth and remind myself not to be like this:


EDIT: Ha, I see AnelaBelladonna beat me to it! =)

That being said, I did post to two different threads on one Consumerist article: one to answer someone who was genuinely curious (not bashing) about the ability to share content between Kindles; and one to agree with another person who loved their Kindle. Replying to the second thread earned me (and the person to whom I replied) an accusation from one individual of being a corporate shill: "OK, I'm not questioning the fact that you like the thing, but your rave and Jessica's sound just like the sort of mini-essay particularly favored by 'viral marketing' organizations. Fess up, if so."

Huh, I wish someone would pay me to rave about the Kindle! ;)

Anyway, LaraAmber, I just wanted to let you know that I feel your pain. I, too, have a hard time "letting go." There's no reasoning with someone people, though, and your time would be better spent enjoying your Kindle!
 

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Lara,

Take a deep breath and remember...you are among friends here, and we get it.

Like others have said, you made your point eloquently and clearly. If the other poster decides not to get it, no amount of arguing from you will change his mind. "I've made up my mind, don't bother me with the facts."

Time for you to have a cup of tea and do a little Kindle reading. Maybe look at some Hugh pictures, too.  ;D

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jesspark said:
Replying to the second thread earned me (and the person to whom I replied) an accusation from one individual of being a corporate shill: "OK, I'm not questioning the fact that you like the thing, but your rave and Jessica's sound just like the sort of mini-essay particularly favored by 'viral marketing' organizations. Fess up, if so."
So, when did you stop beating your wife? ;D

That's like back in the day when I was young and sassy and visited chat rooms. It didn't take long to realize that if I rejected someone I was instantly labeled a "dude." I guess that's because no straight woman had ever rejected these shining examples of manliness before. Anyhow, short of giving out one's number or calling them, this is pre-skype and webcams, there was no proving it. "Shill" is just the new, "Don't talk to _____, she's really a guy!"
 

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I learned early on that arguing with someone on an Internet board or chatroom is like arguing with a drunk in a bar. There's no winning.  (Hasn't stopped me from occasionally getting sucked into an argument or occasionally being the drunk, LOL!)

Stroke your Kindle and look at some HughPorn.

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Betsy the Quilter said:
I learned early on that arguing with someone on an Internet board or chatroom is like arguing with a drunk in a bar. There's no winning. (Hasn't stopped me from occasionally getting sucked into an argument or occasionally being the drunk, LOL!)

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Yeah, and I just got sucked in. Darn you, Lara Amber -- darn you to heck. ;)

I still believe the living well thing, but those people really bugged me. ;D
 

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The OP is why I don't bother to visit any of those forums. . . I checked a lot of them out when I first got my Kindle, and even before by way of research, but found the tone often adversarial, abrasive, or antagonistic.  (And that's just the "A" adjectives.)  Life's too short!

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Oh Michelle, you just made my day with your post at goodreads.

I visit good reads for other reasons: online book group, virtual book shelf, etc.  This is the first time I've seen a thread turn into something like that there.  I guess I just pushed that person's personal crusade button.

So about that tranq gun for the Kindle, we need one for the internet.

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MichelleR said:
So, when did you stop beating your wife? ;D

That's like back in the day when I was young and sassy and visited chat rooms. It didn't take long to realize that if I rejected someone I was instantly labeled a "dude." I guess that's because no straight woman had ever rejected these shining examples of manliness before. Anyhow, short of giving out one's number or calling them, this is pre-skype and webcams, there was no proving it. "Shill" is just the new, "Don't talk to _____, she's really a guy!"
Exactly! Nicely put, too. :D There's no real way to prove it one way or the other, and people like this are going to believe what they want to believe; there's no changing their minds.

I'd decided before ever posting on The Consumerist to avoid arguing with anyone about the Kindle, but even simply agreeing with another Kindle owner attracted negative attention from the Kindle-bashers. That's... pretty sad on their part. I just don't get it. Did the Kindle steal their lunch money as a kid or something?
 

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Did the Kindle steal their lunch money as a kid or something?
It only started with the lunch money. Soon, Kindle told them they were no longer allowed at the cool kid table. Then, she was beating them out for head cheerleader, even though everybody said Kindle was NOT as good, and that her handstands sucked. The coupe de grace was prom night, when Kindle stole all their boyfriends and stuffed the ballot boxes in order to be crowned queen.

Yeah, it goes back a long way.
 

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LaraAmber said:
Oh Michelle, you just made my day with your post at goodreads.

I visit good reads for other reasons: online book group, virtual book shelf, etc. This is the first time I've seen a thread turn into something like that there. I guess I just pushed that person's personal crusade button.

So about that tranq gun for the Kindle, we need one for the internet.

Lara Amber
I agree, nice retort there Michelle. I had to go over and read it. ;D

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Whenever I read about how bad or evil DRM is, how you can’t truly own your DRM files, how you might not be able to read them again if your format or store goes out of business, I like to remind people about the audio books on cassette tape I own.  I paid for them and I did listen to them once, years ago.  But I don’t have a cassette player anymore and I’ll never hear them again.  Therefore: Are cassette tapes bad?  Are they evil?  Does the fact that I can’t listen to them mean I don’t truly own them?

Sure, it sucks I can’t listen to them anymore, but the cassettes aren’t inherently bad, the store that sold them to me aren't evil minions of corporate greed, and I’m not entitled to download illegal digital copies as recompense. 
 

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Geemont said:
... I like to remind people about the audio books on cassette tape I own. ... and I'll never hear them again.
Great perspective - and I have a huge collection of movies on VHS which won't let me put them onto a DVD format - even though I paid for the VHS, and even currently, I've got movies on DVD that some people argue are protected & I am not supposed to make backup copies.
 

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Geemont said:
Whenever I read about how bad or evil DRM is, how you can't truly own your DRM files, how you might not be able to read them again if your format or store goes out of business, I like to remind people about the audio books on cassette tape I own. I paid for them and I did listen to them once, years ago. But I don't have a cassette player anymore and I'll never hear them again. Therefore: Are cassette tapes bad? Are they evil? Does the fact that I can't listen to them mean I don't truly own them?

Sure, it sucks I can't listen to them anymore, but the cassettes aren't inherently bad, the store that sold them to me aren't evil minions of corporate greed, and I'm not entitled to download illegal digital copies as recompense.
Very good point...although the DRM people would probably argue that when you did own a cassette player, you could play your tapes on multiple devices: the one in your stereo system, your car, the portable one you take to the gym. You were not restricted to listening to your tapes only on the portable device, for example. That doesn't mean I agree with this argument, I can just see how someone would come back and say that.

To me, part of the problem is calling the things we read on our Kindles "books." I think "book" should be restricted to the physical item made of paper and ink. Ebooks are not the same thing as a book and if you don't like some or all of the characteristics of ebooks, then maybe you shouldn't read them. I don't like some of the characteristics of books (weight, bulky, hard to hold) and for this reason, I have come to prefer ebooks. DRM doesn't bother me.

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