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Hi everyone!

Just curious. I see the 7 day erotica thread going strong right now but that's about short stories. I was just wondering if anyone around here actually writes full length (75k+) erotic novels? I just never seem them mentioned and I got curious.

If you do I would love to hear a bit about your experience in the genre and how you feel about writing erotic novels over shorts etc etc.

It seems very interesting! Thanks!
 

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I've never written an erotica novel, but I did read one years ago, can't remember the name, but it was part of the Black Lace line from Virgin publishing I think. And it had sex in every chapter. After a while it got boring, there was too much sex, LOL! I myself, prefer a balance of sex and plot :) It would be really boring to me to have 75K words of sex.
 

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Interesting. But would that not have more to do with the writer than the actual format? Like how a romance is a ROMANCE because of the HEA and the fact that the story revolves around the relationship. I thought that erotica was EROTICA if the stories main focus was about the characters sexual growth and evolution? But that could include like, 3 sex scenes in the entire novel?

I can see how an erotic novel with a full on graphic sex scene in every chapter could get boring because that doesn't seem like it leaves much room for anything else to be going on, sheesh!
 

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Stephanie, you might check out Selena Kitt's Excessica forums. I believe some of her writers hang out there, and they all do novel length works. SK does have an account here, but she doesn't post a lot.
 

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Stephanie Marks said:
Interesting. But would that not have more to do with the writer than the actual format? Like how a romance is a ROMANCE because of the HEA and the fact that the story revolves around the relationship. I thought that erotica was EROTICA if the stories main focus was about the characters sexual growth and evolution? But that could include like, 3 sex scenes in the entire novel?

I can see how an erotic novel with a full on graphic sex scene in every chapter could get boring because that doesn't seem like it leaves much room for anything else to be going on, sheesh!
I write erotic romance and most of mine are short (20-30k). I do have a couple of long WIP and my longest one has two sex scenes in it. By the time I'm finished, it will have at least one more. It all depends on where the story goes. I don't just write a sex scene and then filler around it. I write a story and if it needs sex, sex is added. If it doesn't, then I don't write it.
 

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Stephanie, you might check out Selena Kitt's Excessica forums. I believe some of her writers hang out there, and they all do novel length works. SK does have an account here, but she doesn't post a lot.
Thank you I'll pop over there and check it out.

@Diana:

This is how I pictured erotica especially longer works. With lots of plot and character development. I've found that people often say erotica = porn but that's not necessarily the case.

Kind of off topic but, when it comes to the levels of how graffic a sex scene is I've come to the realization that I can't really tell the difference between the subtleties enough to be able to grade the scenes in my own writing. I only mention this because I see this question asked a lot "how graffic is the sex to turn a romance into an erotica?" though Ive never considered that the defining line of a genre change.
I write urban fantasy and there is sex. Touching, licking, thrusting sex. But if someone were to ask me how graffic the scenes were I'd be like, "...ummmm... I dunno?" I tend to not use super crude language but I certainly don't fade to black.

Anyway, I find the genre of erotica truly fascinating. I love love looooove romance novels but even when I was in my early teens got super annoyed when there was all this build up and chemistry between characters and then a fade to black, like I was cheated, lol. So I'm really enjoying learning more about novel length erotic romance and erotica.
 

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Annette_g said:
I've never written an erotica novel, but I did read one years ago, can't remember the name, but it was part of the Black Lace line from Virgin publishing I think. And it had sex in every chapter. After a while it got boring, there was too much sex, LOL! I myself, prefer a balance of sex and plot :) It would be really boring to me to have 75K words of sex.
Haha, you'd be amazed at some of the authors who were writing for the Black Lace imprint under pen names. :D
 

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Kind of off topic but, when it comes to the levels of how graffic a sex scene is I've come to the realization that I can't really tell the difference between the subtleties enough to be able to grade the scenes in my own writing. I only mention this because I see this question asked a lot "how graffic is the sex to turn a romance into an erotica?" though Ive never considered that the defining line of a genre change.
It's not a difference in degree, it's a difference in kind. In a romance the focus is on the growth of the romantic relationship between the characters which culminates in a HEA/HFN ending. It doesn't matter how much sex you put in it or how graphic it gets, as long as those guidelines are followed it's still a romance. In erotica the focus is on sexual growth/discovery. There can be relationships, there can even be romance, but that's not the primary focus of the story. There doesn't have to be a ton of sex and it doesn't even have to be explicit and it can still be erotica.

Erotic romance is sort of a hybrid in which the sexual relationship between the MCs is the center of the story.

Then you have porn, which is the literary equivalent of the pizza guy getting it on with the two college coeds when he makes a delivery.
 

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Erotic Romance or Erotic Sci-fi or Erotic whatever can be longer.  Just make sure the sex is hot.
For pure erotica,  shorter is better.  Two different types of reads.

Now for my usual advice.    If you want to write erotica,  please read some first.   

If anyone wants recommendations,  pm me.
 

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I read erotica and short erotica does nothing for me. I only read full length erotica. There is very much a market. They are extremely hard to find now though with the market being flooded with shorts and porn shorts disguised as erotica.
For me as a reader there is a difference. I am not talking about erotic romance here, but erotica. Erotic romance is a subgenre of romance so same HEA/HFN rule applies. I am especially fond of historical erotic romance.  ;D

So I stick with known authors in that genre. Megan Hart is a great one from the ones I read. Full length ones.

There are readers for all kinds of erotica and there are most certainly reader like me that prefer and read full length erotica. At most I'll go down to novellas in that genre, 100 plus pages. That is about my minimum.
 

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KelliWolfe said:
It's not a difference in degree, it's a difference in kind. In a romance the focus is on the growth of the romantic relationship between the characters which culminates in a HEA/HFN ending. It doesn't matter how much sex you put in it or how graphic it gets, as long as those guidelines are followed it's still a romance. In erotica the focus is on sexual growth/discovery. There can be relationships, there can even be romance, but that's not the primary focus of the story. There doesn't have to be a ton of sex and it doesn't even have to be explicit and it can still be erotica.

Erotic romance is sort of a hybrid in which the sexual relationship between the MCs is the center of the story.

Then you have porn, which is the literary equivalent of the pizza guy getting it on with the two college coeds when he makes a delivery.
Sorry maybe I didn't make it clear but this is exactly what I said further up the thread. The quote you responded to was my saying that I heard that question often but DIDNT agree that it was a genre changing factor. I agree with every word you've said.
 

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Erotic Romance or Erotic Sci-fi or Erotic whatever can be longer. Just make sure the sex is hot.
For pure erotica, shorter is better. Two different types of reads.

Now for my usual advice. If you want to write erotica, please read some first.

If anyone wants recommendations, pm me.
I've read erotica but only short stories. Which is why I'm curious about the writers of longer pieces which is something I rarely see. I am also focused on writing urban fantasy at the moment, this is just something I find interesting. And I would never try to write a genre that I hadn't read.
 

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I read erotica and short erotica does nothing for me. I only read full length erotica. There is very much a market. They are extremely hard to find now though with the market being flooded with shorts and porn shorts disguised as erotica.
For me as a reader there is a difference. I am not talking about erotic romance here, but erotica. Erotic romance is a subgenre of romance so same HEA/HFN rule applies. I am especially fond of historical erotic romance. ;D

So I stick with known authors in that genre. Megan Hart is a great one from the ones I read. Full length ones.

There are readers for all kinds of erotica and there are most certainly reader like me that prefer and read full length erotica. At most I'll go down to novellas in that genre, 100 plus pages. That is about my minimum.
Why do you think that full length erotica is so hard to find now? Do you think that maybe people are too busy trying to make the quick short story buck? Or maybe they don't believe their is an audience for longer stories because it's not about a quick wank? (In reference to your comment about thinly veiled porn labeled erotica).
 

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Why do you think that full length erotica is so hard to find now? Do you think that maybe people are too busy trying to make the quick short story buck? Or maybe they don't believe their is an audience for longer stories because it's not about a quick wank? (In reference to your comment about thinly veiled porn labeled erotica).
I think its a combination of things. All of the above I think.
But I do think there are more and more writers getting into the erotica genre, there are threads right here showing that and they are usually talking about very short shorts like up to 5000 words and many do put them in KU. I think audiences are there for all of them, long erotica, erotica novellas short erotica and those I call more on the porn scale. Shorts are read faster so more are needed to consume on those to make up the time spend reading for one normal length story.

So now when I search in the store, it is very very hard to find the full length stuff because of the larger numbers of shorts published.
I just cannot find them, literally cannot. I am not going to sift through pages and pages of stuff and kinks to find the reads. I used to be able to do that, not anymore.

I said for a long time and have written to amazon about needing a length filter in the kindle store. If I could filter out all the shorts then I could go into the erotica categories in the kindle store and actually browse again. But they aren't listening to me. :p. So I stopped browsing and I stopped trying out new authors for the most part.

And let me just say how much I love the word "wank". I can't explain this or the why's, I just do. As a german living in the US, its not a word I am very familiar with so that is probably it. I don't know how I could possible work this into sentences around here in Texas, but I'll just have to try one of these days. ;D
 

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Stephanie Marks said:
Why do you think that full length erotica is so hard to find now? Do you think that maybe people are too busy trying to make the quick short story buck? Or maybe they don't believe their is an audience for longer stories because it's not about a quick wank? (In reference to your comment about thinly veiled porn labeled erotica).
People will buy erotica shorts - as little as 3500 words - for $2.99. It makes very little financial sense for most people to write a 60k word erotica novel with that being the case. If you're going to do it you need to find a niche that really supports it with a hungry fan base already there clamoring for more. Kitty Thomas writes novel length dark erotica, and several of her titles are paranormals. You might give her stuff a whirl just to get an idea.
 

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People will buy erotica shorts - as little as 3500 words - for $2.99. It makes very little financial sense for most people to write a 60k word erotica novel with that being the case. If you're going to do it you need to find a niche that really supports it with a hungry fan base already there clamoring for more. Kitty Thomas writes novel length dark erotica, and several of her titles are paranormals. You might give her stuff a whirl just to get an idea.
Kitty Thomas. Thanks, I will look her up. And I see what you're saying about the financial value of shorts. Sex always costs more. $2.99 for 3500 words or $4.99 for 70k words? It makes it a fairy easy choice by the numbers.

But like Atunah says, I feel like there must be an audience out there feeling quite left out.

@ Atunah:

I use "wank" and I'm Canadian. It's not a term heard around here often but I figure being Canadian I'm close enough to being British to pull it off. (Ooooo, so close to being a pun!)
 
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