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Got a Paperwhite for Christmas...want to throw it against a wall.

4406 Views 18 Replies 9 Participants Last post by  Linjeakel
I was really looking forward to the new paperwhite, especially since my 2nd generation Kindle (which I have had for several years) was dying slowly. My husband got me the paperwhite for Christmas and I was very excited, but only got around to really checking it out last night. That's when the frustration began. The steps for transferring content from the old Kindle to the new one, were very time consuming, as I have several hundred books & personal documents on my Kindle, so after about a half hour of doing it one at a time, manually, and barely making a dent, I decided just to back up the documents from my old Kindle and just copy the files into the new one, then import the collections via the device. Seemed to work, at least somewhat, though the number of items it said I had on the device went all the way up to 1,924 and then suddenly went down to 698 for some reason- not sure if the larger "items" number was due to bookmarks and whatnot that it copied over or what?

Anyway, it seemed that I had all my documents on the new paperwhite (I guess) but there were a ton of books I had not gotten around to sorting into any collections yet on my old kindle, and when I went to sort them on the new one, and the list view showed up I got frustrated again. I opened one of my collections and then clicked on the "add/remove items" tab from the menu but there were some books that were checked already that I know were not in that collection, then because you have to swipe your finger over the page to turn it, some items were showing up as checked by accident. :mad: Is there any way to add items to collections without the entire list of all the items on the device showing up to sort through?  I also noticed that there is no longer a "collections,json" file anywhere and I'm guessing that there is no longer any indicator of how much available space you have on the device either. My 2nd gen Kindle had an indicator in the top task bar that always showed how much space I had used but there seems to be no way of figuring that out on the new paperwhite and trying to find ANY information on the real ins and outs of this device is next to impossible . And, can someone tell me what the folders with an "sdr" file extension are for that show up in the  documents folder? I was confused by those.  Some of them have nothing in them, some of them have book files in them and they appear to be for the handful of books that I managed to download to the device manually before I just copied everything over.

At the moment I am just getting to the point where I want to send it back. Are there any solutions to these issues or am I just hopelessly lost?
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Sorry you're getting frustrated! To take your points in no particular order:

To see how much space you have left on the device press menu-->settings-->device options-->menu-->device info

When adding books to your collections you don't need to swipe across the whole page to turn it and risk accidentally checking one of the boxes at the side - just use a small swipe in the middle of the screen.

Because of the time and power required for indexing books when they're first put on the device, it's best not to put more than a hundred or so on at one time - let them index first before you put more on.

To put books onto the device quickly, go to the home page, tap on 'cloud' and make sure the filter says all items (or you can do books and personal docs separately if you wish) and then just tap on the books one by one to download them to the device - you don't have to wait for one to finish before tapping the next.

Transfer your books first and then import your collections (which you can do as many times as you like). Personal docs which you put on your original Kindle via USB can just be copied over via your PC and USB. Any sent via Amazon will need to be downloaded like books as the files will be device specific.

I have no idea what the folders and file extensions you mention are, since I've had no need to look at my PW's 'innards' in that way.

There is a certain amount of patience required to get your new Kindle up and running in the same way as your old one, especially if you want all your stuff actually on the device and not just available via the cloud, but it really is worth it. I had a Kindle 2 (and a 3 and a Touch!) but the PW is definitely the superior model so far released and so I think you need to just take a deep breath and do what needs to be done. You'll have to upgrade eventually and I doubt it will be any easier to do later rather than sooner.

Good luck!
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Grissel,

don't thow it into the snow...

In no particular order, you can check the space available by going to, from the home page, Menu > Settings > Menu > Device Info (where "menu" is the little set of bars in the upper right hand corner.

Can't speak much to the .json file, except that I think collections are handled differently on later devices. But I'm probably wrong.

There should be a User's Guide on your device. There is one on mine.

I'm not sure what the .sdr file or folder is--the extension is the "sidecar" extension. Someone else will be able to help.

Adding books to any new Kindle is a painful procedure if you want to replicate a large library on a previous device, because of Amazon's DRM which codes each book for the device it was downloaded to.

As for adding books to collections, you have two options; one is to go through all the books not in any collection and add them to the collection(s) you want them in, one at a time. Or, go to a collection and add books and, as you say, go through all the books on the device. Which is terrible, I agree. However, I tend to only load a few books at a time as I go and add them to collections as they are added to the device. I don't keep a lot of books on my Kindle, anyway.

You can swipe from the bottom of the page up (or vice versa) if you want to move forward or from the top of the page down to move backward through the list of items. I start just above the top item or just below the bottom item and don't accidentally mark items. Or you can swipe side to side along the bottom where the page number (19/27 for example) shows.

Hope this helps you be less frustrated! (And I see Linda beat me, LOL!)

Betsy
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You might also check out Calibre, it's a program for managing large libraries of books and you can move libraries en masse from kindle to desktop back to kindle. Only problem there is DRM on purchased books, unless you strip it, is linked to the original device it's downloaded onto.
Thanks for all the help. Glad to know that there are some solutions to some of the issues I am experiencing. I think I am going to just have to reset it and start the process over and hope that gives me less stress & more success. Maybe a cup of coffee from the snazzy new coffee maker I got my husband for Christmas will make it all go smoother.  :)
Katie Elle said:
You might also check out Calibre, it's a program for managing large libraries of books and you can move libraries en masse from kindle to desktop back to kindle. Only problem there is DRM on purchased books, unless you strip it, is linked to the original device it's downloaded onto.
Bear in mind that, if you move large numbers of books onto your device at one time, you'll still have the issue of dealing with Collections. There's a collections plug-in for Calibre, but I'm not sure how well it works or if it works with the Paperwhite. We have some people with a lot of experience with Calibre. Hopefully, they'll jump in.

And, just a reminder, per Forum Decorum, the specifics of stripping DRM off of Kindle books isn't something that we allow discussion of here. Thanks!

Betsy
You've been given some good advice. . . . .

Not sure if part of what you were trying to do was a sort of copy and paste from the old kindle to the new one.  Note that that will NOT work for any books purchased through Amazon because of the DRM.  It should work for personal documents.

Also, rather than working on the Kindle, you can send books from the Manage Your Kindle Page on Amazon.  Go to Books and just send them one at a time.  It's faster, because you're on your computer.  If you have the wireless on the Kindle turned on you can literally see them show up as you go through.  I find this 'push from Amazon' method easier then trying to 'pull' them from the Kindle.

I would suggest you consider whether you really do need to have ALL your books on the new device.  I used to think I did, and then I decided that, since they're all readily available, I didn't really.  Anything I've read, I delete, with the exception of some reference material and/or classic works that I just like to have super-handy.  Otherwise, they're in Amazon's cloud.  I use it to keep personal documents as well; the Send to Kindle applet* is a great little tool to send documents from your computer or even articles from the web to the kindle and then store them as well.

*Send to Kindle for PC is available to download at www.amazon.com/sendtokindle/pc and Send to Kindle for Mac is available for download at www.amazon.com/sendtokindle/mac. There are links there as well for versions for Firefox and Chrome.
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I've done this several times, as I can't seem to resist buying the newest kindle with every release  :eek: , and I have over 2000 books.  Are you trying to move all your books, or just some of them?  I keep only unread books on my Kindle, the rest in archives, but that's still 1000 or so I need to move.  While quite time consuming, this method seems to work best for me.

I open both the old Kindle and the new one to Archives, and sort them both alphabetically.
I click on any book not on the old Kindle to download it to the new Kindle.  Basically, I'm trying to make the two archives match.
Do a couple letters of the alphabet (maybe 4 or 5, depending on how many books that is), then plug in the new Kindle so it can charge while it indexes those, and go read something on the old Kindle!
Repeat once or twice a day for a week, and before you know it you have everything moved over.
Then download the collections from your old Kindle to the new one (don't do this until you have everything downloaded!)

Somehow breaking it down into small bites makes it less painful, plus I get the reward of reading when I finished a bunch  ;D .
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If you still feel the need to chuck yours against a wall, I would happily provide you with the wall with which to throw it against... it may be covered with a mattress, but it'll still be a wall...

Either way, hope you are able to better manage your Kindle happy fun-times.
Well, I took a break, had a big cup of coffee then reset the Kindle & started over and I am now feeling much better about it all. :) I did have a question about personal documents, which, admittedly may end up being a totally moronic one, but, I thought I'd ask. I have a LOT of personal documents and only about 60 were archived through the cloud as they were some I had sent to myself via the Kindle free email address after Amazon decided to start storing them for us. I have a good number of others that I also had sent to myself after Amazon was nice enough to convert them for me from back before they started archiving them and they are just backed up on my hard drive. What I am wondering though, is, since my new paperwhite has a snazzy new "send to" email from Amazon that does not match the old one associated with my original 2nd Generation Kindle, am I going to have an issue copying those older (non archived) Amazon converted documents to this new one because the old ones were associated with the Kindle email on my old K2?  Any info on this would be very appreciated.
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If they're your own personal documents they have no DRM so you can load them on the new kindle without a problem.

I recommend downloading the Send to Kindle applet: Send to Kindle for PC is available to download at www.amazon.com/sendtokindle/pc and Send to Kindle for Mac is available for download at www.amazon.com/sendtokindle/mac.

Once you set it up, you can send any document via a right click menu option -- give it a name and a proper author and pick which kindle or kindles you want it to go t.  You can even select several documents and send in a bunch.  Much MUCH easier than the sending by email.

The only thing is: we've discovered that .doc or .docx files automatically show up in a fixed font -- a sans serif style.  If you want the font to be adjustable, it's best to convert it to a .mobi or .prc before sending it.  The glitch is a function of the new file type and hard coded Word information.
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The only thing is: we've discovered that .doc or .docx files automatically show up in a fixed font -- a sans serif style. If you want the font to be adjustable, it's best to convert it to a .mobi or .prc before sending it. The glitch is a function of the new file type and hard coded Word information.
Converting them to mobi won't necessarily help depending on how you do it. The problem is if it has any font-face defined, it will lock it into that font or if that font isn't available on the PaperWhite into Helvetica. It's a royal PITA. Calibre conversions will strip out the offending code.
wholesalestunna said:
Time to get a 64 gig iPad with the kindle app!
I have one those :). But do 0% reading on it. I just use it mostly for media consumption, and my wife plays Hearts a lot on it ;)

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CAR said:
I have one those :). But do 0% reading on it. I just use it mostly for media consumption, and my wife plays Hearts a lot on it ;)

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I read a good bit on my iPad, on my Fire and on my Paperwhite...

Betsy
Betsy the Quilter said:
I read a good bit on my iPad, on my Fire and on my Paperwhite...

Betsy
I know I should read more on it too.. but my Paperwhite has spoiled me.
CAR said:
I know I should read more on it too.. but my Paperwhite has spoiled me.
I don't know that you SHOULD read it on more; you should read on your preferred device. I love my Paperwhite, but I don't mind reading on my iPad or Fire, and frequently do. Usually if I'm not going to be holding the device so the weight doesn't matter.

Betsy
Thanks to all that replied with help & info! My new Paperwhite & I are now getting along fantastically and that's mostly thanks to the guidance you all provided.  :-* 
originalgrissel said:
Thanks to all that replied with help & info! My new Paperwhite & I are now getting along fantastically and that's mostly thanks to the guidance you all provided. :-*
Yay, Kristie! Glad to hear we could help get you on track. Enjoy your new PaperWhite! ;D
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