You misunderstand.Luke Everhart said:This doesn't make a lot of sense. Moving to a Facebook group out of privacy & content concerns is like jumping out of the frying pan into
the firea giant, raging active volcano.
I've also PMed the new Admin on several issues, without response.Phoenix61 said:I PMed Phillip, the forum administrator advising him to comment in this thread about their intentions. That was yesterday, still no comment or PM in return. I do not agree to the new terms and do not consent. I have already deleted all my messages and changed my profile.
If that's true, this is something which has been changed from earlier versions of the software.catowned said:Mods may not be able to see pms, but the owner certainly can see them and can use the content.
I have a suggestion, that it might accommodate those who distrust FB.TimothyEllis said:You misunderstand.
The FB group is simply to discuss how to set up a new forum. Issues like domain and forum name, content, and what the registration message should actually say, etc etc etc. Its just a place for initial discussion.
I could set up a new forum now, but no-on would go there. Doing a temporary FB group where issues can be discussed first, and the any forum which follows can be what people really want, makes the difference between wasted effort, and something which works.
I feel it would be possible to trawl the database and read whatever records are there. The PMs are stored somewhere in that forum database. SO if you have access to the database directly, which an owner should because you might need such to fix a broken something or other one day, then yes, they can with some effort read anything in it. Mods would never have such access though.TimothyEllis said:If that's true, this is something which has been changed from earlier versions of the software.
On the older versions of phpBB I've used in the past, as owner, there was zero access to PM's within the forum.
Presumably writing a custom data miner to trawl the database itself is possible though.
I find GR one of the most frustrating sites ever. And I think if you look at the ToS, it will have everything we dont like in it as well.Simply_J said:Since Amazon knows everything about most of us, an alternative location for a secret group to discuss the new forum, could be a Goodreads group. We can use our authors accounts, or readers accounts.
This is pretty much what I've done. I'm not going to delete my posts (3000! I don't think so). This is a public forum, and a lot of those posts were written to be helpful to other authors, so I'm happy for them to stay. If anyone wants to put in the work to monetise them, I don't much care.kw3000 said:While anonymity is not possible, it is possible to 'in effect' withdraw whatever implied consent has been attributed to me by going back and deleting all of my posts, removing thumbnails from my signature of books carrying my name, and changing my display name to something more non-descript.
I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I doubt they would be interested due to workload here. If they care to join the discussion in the new FB group, they are welcome, as is everyone, author or reader, who would like to contribute.Masha du Toit said:If there is going to be a move to another platform, I want to know if any of the moderators who work here, are going to be part of it. They are the people who've kept the writer's cafe going, and if they moved across too, I'd be way more confident of the new group's chances. Good moderation is essential for the survival of any online forum, especially a writer's discussion group.
Good point.Masha du Toit said:I would be surprised if the new owners much cared if Writer's Cafe ceased to be.
Proboards has already been identified as having the same ToS issues.Susanne. said:I run a small, very private forum for writers that has been running for for over four years (with some KB members posting there too). Only twenty or so active members, so it's small but as I said private and nobody steals whatever you write. Members only so passers-by can't see your posts. But I don't want it to be so huge I can't manage it, so if you join now, I'll accept another fifty or so for now.
Really? I didn't know that. Must take a look.. In any case I run the forum and the posts are confidential as much as they can be these days. No Internet is safe, not even Facebook or Goodreads.TimothyEllis said:Proboards has already been identified as having the same ToS issues.