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The reason I mention this scam is the fact that dummies like me and probably you who follow rules went from making 0.5 cent per page read in KU2 to 0.4 cent. Where is the rest of the money going? To scammers. Does Amazon care? No! they pay out of a fixed pot of money and couldn't care less how the money is distributed.

I call it a scam, but please note that it is not against Amazon TOS to use this trick to maximize your KU payout per book.

Basic point: Amazon cannot see how many pages a reader has actually read. Amazon can only see at what page the reader stopped reading.

So if I have a box set in which I gather 10 of my stories and a fan only reads story 1 in this box set, I get paid for story 1. If the fan only wishes to read story 10, then I get paid for all 10 stories, even though he only reads 1 story.

In essence Amazon cannot see where you began reading, but can only see where you stopped reading. So If I have a box set with 10000 pages and someone borrows this box set and only reads 1 page, namely page 8888 I get paid for 8888 pages. If he only reads page 10, I get paid for 10 pages.

Box sets are very hot because 1 KU borrow can net you 500 bucks. That is until Amazon woke up and limited KU earnings per borrow to 3000 pages and about $15 per box set per borrow.

How did and do scammers get readers to read 10000 pages? Simple: by putting a link at the beginning with click here for the table of contents, which is logically placed on page 9999 of the box set. And if a link to a table of contents doesn't do it, under it is a link to win a FREE kindle or Amazon gift card, and the link conveniently points to page 10000 of the box set. In both cases, even if the readers never actually read 1 page in the box set, the writer gets paid as if the reader read every page in the box set.

Do you want an EXAMPLE?

Click link, click LOOK INSIDE, scroll down!

link removed. --Betsy

Another EXAMPLE?

This writer: "Dorothy Thompson" has under different names more than a hundred box sets with the same 5 stories. The names of these stories are hidden and only revealed in the table of contents which you can find after clicking on a link that takes you to the end of the book.

Now you know as much as scammers and Amazon do and know why you, being a dummy, are making 0.4 cent per page read and not $15 per download.
 

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I'm hoping they'll wake up and crack down on scammers. If not and the payout keeps going down, I'll have to go wide. Never thought I'd say that, but I'm now considering it. We'll see what February's payout is. It better be more than January's.
 

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This particular scam was already discussed in another thread.
 
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Monique said:
Did you report them?
I don't think it's against Amazon TOS.

As far as I'm concerned now we all have the info and can use it ourselves to turn every KU download into a 15 dollar payout. Why should only some have this info and use it for themselves and not all the others?

For instance, why not add bonus stories in each and every one of our books to get to 3000 pages?

PS: I'm not doing it myself. But if anyone needs rent money or money for baby milk, have at it! ;)
 

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drno said:
The reason I mention this scam is the fact that dummies like me and probably you who follow rules went from making 5 cent per page read in KU2 to 4 cent. Where is the rest of the money going? To scammers. Does Amazon care? No! they pay out of a fixed pot of money and couldn't care less how the money is distributed.
KU payout has been around half a cent a page.
 

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Having conducted online research surveys for many years, I know it is possible to measure the length of time a person takes to complete a survey. If we notice a respondent taking say, 2 minutes to complete a survey that on average takes 15 minutes, then we know they are just plugging in answers and their survey is removed from the total and discarded.

I would assume Amazon can do this as well, and I'd be surprised if they haven't already implemented something. They obviously don't want to being paying $$$ on fraudulent page reads.
 

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If you want Amazon to respond, a whole bunch of authors will have to email Jeff Bezos directly.
 

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drno said:
I don't think it's against Amazon TOS.

As far as I'm concerned now we all have the info and can use it ourselves to turn every KU download into a 15 dollar payout. Why should only some have this info and use it for themselves and not all the others?

For instance, why not add bonus stories in each and every one of our books to get to 3000 pages?

PS: I'm not doing it myself. But if anyone needs rent money or money for baby milk, have at it! ;)
There was one book made up of everything under the kitchen sink. It was an interracial romance with like 10 other books including a cookbook with an offer for a free kindle by clicking a link to the last page. Me and some other people reported it and it got taken down as did the rest of that "author's" books. So doing this is a bad idea that will probably lead to a ban.
 

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drno said:
Amazon cannot see how many pages a reader has actually read. Amazon can only see at what page the reader stopped reading.
Has this been confirmed? Is there viewable evidence?
 

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Amazon is aware of the situation and that's why they came out with the 3,000 KENPC cap. They will take books down doing this with the link scam if you report them. The number of scammers doing it isn't small.
 
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Amanda M. Lee said:
Amazon is aware of the situation and that's why they came out with the 3,000 KENPC cap. They will take books down doing this with the link scam if you report them. The number of scammers doing it isn't small.
This^^
Yikes, there are soooo many books like this. It's crazy looking through the lists most days.
 

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What puzzles me is, doesn't a live human already have to look at a book and click a button somewhere to make it go live? You could just about train a monkey to spot the current scam books. It shouldn't be so hard to weed them out.
 

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Nicole Carlson said:
What puzzles me is, doesn't a live human already have to look at a book and click a button somewhere to make it go live? You could just about train a monkey to spot the current scam books. It shouldn't be so hard to weed them out.
This. 1,000 times...this.
 
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Nicole Carlson said:
What puzzles me is, doesn't a live human already have to look at a book and click a button somewhere to make it go live? You could just about train a monkey to spot the current scam books. It shouldn't be so hard to weed them out.
Pretty sure there isn't or we wouldn't have so many keyword stuffed titles and other issues either. My guess is if the software doesn't flag it as "potential issue", it's all automated or the person just clicks go without actually looking at anything but that it's pending.
 

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drno said:
The reason I mention this scam is the fact that dummies like me and probably you who follow rules went from making 0.5 cent per page read in KU2 to 0.4 cent. Where is the rest of the money going? To scammers. Does Amazon care? No! they pay out of a fixed pot of money and couldn't care less how the money is distributed.

I call it a scam, but please note that it is not against Amazon TOS to use this trick to maximize your KU payout per book.

Basic point: Amazon cannot see how many pages a reader has actually read. Amazon can only see at what page the reader stopped reading.

So if I have a box set in which I gather 10 of my stories and a fan only reads story 1 in this box set, I get paid for story 1. If the fan only wishes to read story 10, then I get paid for all 10 stories, even though he only reads 1 story.

In essence Amazon cannot see where you began reading, but can only see where you stopped reading. So If I have a box set with 10000 pages and someone borrows this box set and only reads 1 page, namely page 8888 I get paid for 8888 pages. If he only reads page 10, I get paid for 10 pages.

Box sets are very hot because 1 KU borrow can net you 500 bucks. That is until Amazon woke up and limited KU earnings per borrow to 3000 pages and about $15 per box set per borrow.

How did and do scammers get readers to read 10000 pages? Simple: by putting a link at the beginning with click here for the table of contents, which is logically placed on page 9999 of the box set. And if a link to a table of contents doesn't do it, under it is a link to win a FREE kindle or Amazon gift card, and the link conveniently points to page 10000 of the box set. In both cases, even if the readers never actually read 1 page in the box set, the writer gets paid as if the reader read every page in the box set.

Do you want an EXAMPLE?

Click link, click LOOK INSIDE, scroll down!

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0191R1K38/

Another EXAMPLE?

This writer: "Dorothy Thompson" has under different names more than a hundred box sets with the same 5 stories. The names of these stories are hidden and only revealed in the table of contents which you can find after clicking on a link that takes you to the end of the book.

Now you know as much as scammers and Amazon do and know why you, being a dummy, are making 0.4 cent per page read and not $15 per download.
Amazon does listen to this stuff. I had pointed out a scam in KU1, wrote it up as a blog post, with several examples and links to them. Then tPV picked up my blog post, so it got a lot of traffic, and I had several hits on my blog from Amazon. It wasn't right then, I think it may have been passed onto someone else, because a few weeks later, my blog had another rash of hits by Amazon, with clicks on the links, and then those particular books were gone.
 

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Anma Natsu said:
Pretty sure there isn't or we wouldn't have so many keyword stuffed titles and other issues either. My guess is if the software doesn't flag it as "potential issue", it's all automated or the person just clicks go without actually looking at anything but that it's pending.
Hard to believe Zon would be so lax - especially since it's costing them money.
 
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Please correct me if my memory is wrong.

I recall that several months ago authors were moving the Table of Contents to the back of the book.
That was because the preview function only shows a few pages at the front of the book. Authors wanted them to get a taste of the story without wasting viewing space on the Table of Contents.

I don't recall at that time of anyone claiming that was a scam.
 

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Okey Dokey said:
Please correct me if my memory is wrong.

I recall that several months ago authors were moving the Table of Contents to the back of the book.
That was because the preview function only shows a few pages at the front of the book. Authors wanted them to get a taste of the story without wasting viewing space on the Table of Contents.

I don't recall at that time of anyone claiming that was a scam.
Are you arguing that piling eighty books in one title, putting a link at the front that says "free giveaway" and takes you to the back of the book to trigger a full read isn't a scam?
 

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Wired said:
Hard to believe Zon would be so lax - especially since it's costing them money.
It's not. They pay however much they decide to pay. The money for those extra pages are divided among the other writers in KU. So it's costing US money.
 
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